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This is a short demo featuring Mark II and Mark V of this beautiful collection. It loads before you even know it, so I'm pretty sure any half decent laptop can run these samples. It was the best $30 I've spent on any sample library. Sorry about the last notes of both demos. I have no idea why I had to play those!!!


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Does it need to be run from Kontact or some other player?


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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Does it need to be run from Kontact or some other player?


This is the Kontakt edition.

https://www.purgatorycreek.com/index.php/tine-collection-kontakt/

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I like the last notes of both demos.


"Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent. - Victor Hugo
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So is there a free Kontact player or do you need to buy some version of Kontact? Are there any other ways of using this soundware?


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Originally Posted By: ITGITC?

I like the last notes of both demos.


I knew someone was gonna say that. ha ha ha

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Originally Posted By: Randelph
So is there a free Kontact player or do you need to buy some version of Kontact? Are there any other ways of using this soundware?


According to the link, this particular edition does require the Full kontakt, so the free player version wouldn't do the job. There's no reference to 'other' players. It seems to be a strictly Kontakt version.

He does have optimized libraries for Kronos and Kurzweil Forte but that's all there is I think.

Aside from 'PLAY', I'm not familiar with other non kontakt engines. I'm not sure if there's a way of importing them elsewhere.

Maybe Busch could comment on this?

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Originally Posted By: Sam CA

Maybe Busch could comment on this?


BB has discussed this a number of times on different threads over the years. Maybe he will see this and comment. It is true that this library requires the full, not free, version of Kontakt. I'll let him provide the details why if he so chooses.


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So, it looks like the entry point to a full version of Kontact is $400. Obviously Busch chose Kontact for a reason- is it the industry standard?

As someone who finally got a Windows 10 i7 8GB laptop, I'm curious about the smart path to take. Looking for the most user friendly source of sounds, their dedicated keyboard is a big plus. I don't want to buy and have to learn an endless number of programs.

Obviously I'm getting a bit OT here, but so far this thread seems to have run its course. I could start a new thread, which I'll likely do at some point, but any general ideas of why I'd want to go the Kontact route, besides giving me access to Busch's soundware, would be appreciated.

As a live player, I'm also contemplating my next purchase. My main keyboard was stolen, so do I go the software route or hardware route is my question. I'm naturally inclined to having sounds at the ready, a NS is my preference, but having experienced the almost unbelievable jump in audio quality from an iPad, I'm inclined to give software a chance and invest the time to work out all the technical details that's involved. So in other words I'm on the fence!

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Randy, Kontakt will be a great investment if you go the software route. There are tons of Kontakt libraries out there. I don't play live that often and when I do I either use a standalone keyboard or some soft synth Piano/EPs. My requirements for live performance are pretty minimal.

People use soft synths on stage all the time. I'm sure someone will give you a better advice.

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Originally Posted By: Sam CA
Kontakt will be a great investment if you go the software route. There are tons of Kontakt libraries out there.


I'm still on Kontakt 5 (current version is 6) but I agree with Sam CA here.


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Pretty sweet!

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Nice tone, and sound very dynamic.
What I still dont hear ( sure it are there) are the bark from the lower notes.
Really what I miss from my Nord, even with the new great Dyno filter.


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I wouldnt recommend Kontakt 6 for $400. You could get a pre owned license of Komplete Ultimate 11 for around $450 that has the full version of Kontakt 5 and another 600GB+ of plug ins.


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Also, the Purgatory Creek sounds are fantastic in the Kurzweil Forte. They are a great pairing of hardware and software for live onstage use. I compared with Nord very extensively when I replaced my Stage 2.


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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
You could get a pre owned license of Komplete Ultimate 11 for around $450 that has the full version of Kontakt 5 and another 600GB+ of plug ins.


were this true, I haven't checked and am not questioning the post, I would agree that this is a great deal.


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The Pianet N is amazing (not as big a fan of Pianet T but glad it is included; I may need that sound some day, but always considered Hohner's original to be the more musically pleasing model than their later effort).

I did some tracking with it this past weekend and it was the ticket. Still haven't tried the Clavinet in project work to see how it compared to Soniccouture, but the Pianet blows away all other contenders (there aren't many, but I have them all).


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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
The Pianet N is amazing (not as big a fan of Pianet T but glad it is included; (snip) the Pianet blows away all other contenders (there aren't many, but I have them all).


the only Pianet I own is from Pianoteq, will take your word on this, Mark.


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Pianoteq is pretty good but not as dynamic as samples overall. It does however, include the Hohner Electra Piano T, which otherwise is only covered by the donationware sample library released last year by as "Sampleson Electrix".

https://antiquitymusic.com/hohner-electra-piano-t-274

https://www.worldpianonews.com/new-product/electric-electronic-digital/hohner-electra-piano/

Not as well known as the Pianet series, of course.

For a while, I thought it was just different terminology for the Pianet, but apparently not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pianet

Those two histories exclude each other but also seem different.

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Dave,

Motivsound currently has Komplete 11 Ultimate for 495 Euro. You might find a better deal direct on the KVR Marketplace.

https://www.motivsound.com/product-page/native-instruments-komplete-11-ultimate-1

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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
Dave,

Motivsound currently has Komplete 11 Ultimate for 495 Euro. You might find a better deal direct on the KVR Marketplace.

https://www.motivsound.com/product-page/native-instruments-komplete-11-ultimate-1

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Wow. Komplete 12 goes for $ 1,200 (~ 1045), but the previous version (11) can be had for 495? Any catches?

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Originally Posted By: Rod S
Any catches?

At least one. It will cost $199 to upgrade to Komplete 12 from 11, if one wants to upgrade. From what I can see, myself included, is that many owners don't upgrade every time an upgrade comes out. It's more cost efficient to skip one or two, then upgrade, as the price is the same. I currently have Komplete 11 and won't be upgrading to 12


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This is what I don't like about NI. I bought Komplete Ultimate for about $1100. There's a ton of content that I'll never download or use. What am I gonna do with 8 Drum-set libraries? They don't let you cherry pick what you like. I'm mainly interested in their pianos, synths and Orchestral stuff. This 'Ultimate' version only includes the essential version for orchestral libraries. NI wants you to pay another $600 and get even more libraries and loops that you may never use.

No wonder there's so much piracy.

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Originally Posted By: Sam CA
No wonder there's so much piracy.


that doesn't make it right, however


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At least Kontakt is a very good investment for anyone interested in sample libraries. The Purgatory Creek are just a few of many awesome libraries for Kontakt.

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Sam, thanks so much for creating and posting that video. I went to your Youtube page and your playing is simply wonderful. I am now a subscriber.

Yes, full Kontakt is required. The licensing with NI is quite expensive. There's an old business axiom of better, faster, cheaper. Faster is first to market. Anyone coming after that needs to be better or cheaper. In this very crowded marketplace of soft synths, I chose the later.

I think the regular Komplete bundle is more than enough for most people. It gets you all the synths and many excellent libraries and sounds. Ultimate is overkill for a lot of users.

Thanks to all for the kind, encouraging words. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted By: Pianolando
At least Kontakt is a very good investment for anyone interested in sample libraries. The Purgatory Creek are just a few of many awesome libraries for Kontakt.


Yes. It's almost impossible to avoid Kontakt.

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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
Sam, thanks so much for creating and posting that video. I went to your Youtube page and your playing is simply wonderful. I am now a subscriber.

Yes, full Kontakt is required. The licensing with NI is quite expensive. There's an old business axiom of better, faster, cheaper. Faster is first to market. Anyone coming after that needs to be better or cheaper. In this very crowded marketplace of soft synths, I chose the later.

I think the regular Komplete bundle is more than enough for most people. It gets you all the synths and many excellent libraries and sounds. Ultimate is overkill for a lot of users.

Thanks to all for the kind, encouraging words. Much appreciated.

Busch.


Thank you Busch. So far I've only tried the Tine Collection which sounds amazing at an incredible low price. I can't imagine the work that went into this. Based on this positive experience, I'm definitely going to get more PCS instruments.


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