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#2967344 - 01/06/19 07:27 PM Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again
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#2967349 - 01/06/19 08:12 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Jazz+]
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Enjoyed that. Super tight trio - fantastic time, and hits galore.
A chopsfest, sure. But tasteful most of the time and a bloody master class on styles and techniques from several eras of piano music. She gave them what they expect to see at a Hiromi show.
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#2967360 - 01/06/19 11:09 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I adore her.

I honestly think most of the backlash against her is sexist, and maybe even a little racist. She's a monster.
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#2967361 - 01/06/19 11:22 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Has this been posted here before? It's just beautiful.

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#2967363 - 01/07/19 12:19 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
I honestly think most of the backlash against her is sexist, and maybe even a little racist. She's a monster.
There's a backlash?

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#2967367 - 01/07/19 01:23 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: El Lobo]
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Just my opinion her licks are not tasteful and smooth as some are repeated to become boring just my opinion!

But I don't think racist has nothing to do with her performance. The playing has more do with performance. Oh yea she is a great player but if your ears do the listening just not tasteful for my ears. Not throwing shade JMO!
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#2967372 - 01/07/19 03:03 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Jazz+]
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What a fantastic drum kit to bring to the piano trio!


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#2967384 - 01/07/19 05:05 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: JoJoB3]
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Originally Posted By: JoJoB3
What a fantastic drum kit to bring to the piano trio!


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#2967392 - 01/07/19 05:44 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Sounds to me like Hiromi is channeling the one and only Gene Harris. Props to her for paying homage. cool
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#2967416 - 01/07/19 07:44 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects


I honestly think most of the backlash against her is sexist, and maybe even a little racist. She's a monster.


You're probably right. Jazz aficionados are known for racism and misogyny. "Everybody Loves Bill Evans"? Really? Why not just wave the confederate flag!

As the tiny river wears down the towering mountain, so do these Hiromi threads cause me to gradually warm up to her. 50 or so more (She's done it again!) and I might flip to the other side and give up my racist, misogynistic ways.

This one was particularly good. Still, at this point, I'd rather listen to Gene Harris than Hiromi channeling Gene Harris.
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#2967426 - 01/07/19 08:17 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: El Lobo]
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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
I honestly think most of the backlash against her is sexist, and maybe even a little racist. She's a monster.
There's a backlash?


See below your post. smile
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#2967427 - 01/07/19 08:23 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Adan]
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You're probably right. Jazz aficionados are known for racism and misogyny. "Everybody Loves Bill Evans"? Really? Why not just wave the confederate flag!


For decades, maybe even continuing through today, Wynton Marsalis refused to conduct blind auditions for the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra. The reason? He didn't want women in the orchestra. He truly felt/feels that female players are inferior to men. He also prefers African American players, though he has a fair number of white folks in the group.

No Asians, no females.

So yes, misogyny and racism are quite present in people's responses to players.

White folks have no trouble breaking through, and in fact most of the reason there are "jazz aficionados" are because people like Dave Brubeck offered palatable ways to consume jazz at a time when we weren't quite so 'enlightened.'

Women? Rare. Asians? Rarer yet. Asian women? Hard to name three.
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#2967428 - 01/07/19 08:24 AM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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#2967507 - 01/07/19 01:14 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Legatoboy]
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For me, she is very entertaining to watch perform.
To see her experiencing the music is uplifting. It makes me feel good about life.
But I wouldn't listen to her in the car for pure audio enjoyment... That's reserved more for my true favorites: Monty Alexander, Wynton Kelly, Erroll Garner, Oscar Peterson, The Beatles.

I still can't get over how intense this performance is, the way it builds up is out of this world:





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#2967513 - 01/07/19 01:27 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: bennyray]
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Originally Posted By: bennyray
Not throwing shade JMO!


Here's a tip: if you have to specify that you're "not throwing shade," you're throwing shade. wink
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#2967547 - 01/07/19 03:37 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: JoJoB3
What a fantastic drum kit to bring to the piano trio!




He's doing more with less compared to Kneeel Piert there with Hiromi.

I dunno, Hiromi just doesn't scratch that itch for me guys. Sorry.
Fine player of course.

Channeling? No, no 'attempting" (perhaps 'flirting') with Gene Harris at most.

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#2967555 - 01/07/19 04:22 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: JoJoB3]
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I Love Hiromi. Caught her fairly early in her public career in the early 00s. Saw her last year in Honolulu, fantastic! She is indeed a monster, and a joy to see perform.

My only criticism is that I don't really feel like she's progressed or challenged herself (or me) since her first few albums. "Time Control" was kind of the height of her going wild, but then I feel like she sort of reeled herself back in, maybe it was too much for modern jazz audiences. No question, she's still an awesome freak and gonna scare the shit out of the tired "jazz fogies", but she has stopped pushing the envelope like she used to. Her last album just felt like a rehash of the same licks I heard early on, and I was kind of disappointed.

Still, one of my favorite jazz pianists of our age, right up there with Corey Henry and Tigran Hamasiyan. But if I want to go bats**t, I'll give Tigran the edge. I think she's coming back through the islands here in a few months, and I'll DEFINITELY see her again.
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#2967565 - 01/07/19 05:12 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
I adore her.

I honestly think most of the backlash against her is sexist, and maybe even a little racist. She's a monster.


What backlash?

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#2967578 - 01/07/19 06:07 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Radagast]
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Okay, Hiomi has said her influences were Oscar Peterson, Erroll Garner, Chick Corea, Jeff Beck, Zapa, and Bruce Lee.

It's all about the solos with Hiromi. I don't even listen to her studio recordings. For me, Hiromi is appealing when watching her in action on YouTube; the way she moves her fingers, hands and arm; her exuberance, the dramatic facial expressions. I thinks she is visually spectacular when playing. It's like watching Bruce Lee on piano. She is undeniably a master pianist. For me, the tunes she writes are a secondary thing, various fusion pieces, not really my thing; mainly they act as vehicles for her solos. I like the way she plays solo piano the best.

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#2967597 - 01/07/19 07:47 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
For decades, maybe even continuing through today, Wynton Marsalis refused to conduct blind auditions for the Lincoln Center Jazz Orchestra. The reason? He didn't want women in the orchestra. He truly felt/feels that female players are inferior to men. He also prefers African American players, though he has a fair number of white folks in the group.

No Asians, no females.

So yes, misogyny and racism are quite present in people's responses to players.

White folks have no trouble breaking through, and in fact most of the reason there are "jazz aficionados" are because people like Dave Brubeck offered palatable ways to consume jazz at a time when we weren't quite so 'enlightened.'

Women? Rare. Asians? Rarer yet. Asian women? Hard to name three.


Iím tossing the bullshit flag here. Show your proof.

A big band is not a symphony orchestra where blind auditions are the norm.

A couple years ago, Helen Sung subbed for Dan Nimmer on tour and while he was out on paternity leave. Maybe youíve heard her play? I have many times.

Alexa Tarrentino regularly subs on alto. If you donít know her, you will.

Camille Thurmond played tenor on the Miles show I saw in November. She is subbing for Walter Blanding through this season. Camille slayed on their holiday show last month.

Let me Svengle this for you:
Sub list. https://www.jazz.org/y28z77j/?toggle=2
Selection process. https://www.jazz.org/y28z77j/?toggle=2


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#2967598 - 01/07/19 07:58 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Back on the Hiromi topic. She has incredible techinical ability but her playing leaves me completely cold. At Newport, I listened to a solo set. Left after 10 minutes. I listened to her trio. Maybe 15 minutes.

I watched the video. Nothing.

I respect her talent and the joy she brings to a substantial fan base. Itís just not for me.

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#2967599 - 01/07/19 07:59 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Zeger

Iím tossing the bullshit flag here. Show your proof.
Let me Svengle this for you:
Sub list. https://www.jazz.org/y28z77j/?toggle=2
Selection process. https://www.jazz.org/y28z77j/?toggle=2



Never challenge an academic to a google-off. This took literally a millisecond to find.

Article about the lawsuit that required blind auditions because of Marsalis's exclusionary policies

Article about protests against Marsalis's lack of blind auditions resulting in all-male orchestra

2015 article about JLCO changing its hiring policy. You'll notice the picture of the ensemble in this one...

Should I go on? I literally teach this exact topic and can post as many links as you'd like...
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#2967601 - 01/07/19 08:17 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Weíre going way off topic. Iíll conclude my comments here.

How many men are in the Diva Big Band? Do they have blind auditions? Does Maria Schneider hold blind auditions? How many women are in Gordon Goodwinís Big Phat Band (http://www.bigphatband.com/about)? Snarky Puppy? The Roots? Maybe Ellen Seeling should file more lawsuits. Both these articles are about the actions of this 1 person.

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#2967602 - 01/07/19 08:22 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Mark Zeger]
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That's not what you said, though. You threw the bullshit flag, and asked for proof. I provided proof.

Now you're on to something slightly different.

I decline the kind invitation to follow you there.

Best to you.
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#2967604 - 01/07/19 08:31 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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So if this artistís work is not to someoneís taste, it means thereís a backlash, and that person is sexist and a racist. Got it.

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#2967605 - 01/07/19 08:37 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
(Wynton Marsalis)didn't want women in the orchestra. He truly felt/feels that female players are inferior to men. He also prefers African American players, though he has a fair number of white folks in the group.

Quote:
I provided proof.

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#2967607 - 01/07/19 08:47 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Your initial post seemed to be about the presence (or lack) of women in the JLCO, and my statement about the selection process. You posted a link to their selection process and the names of women in the orchestra as evidence that I could not be correct. You asked for proof. I shared some links with you that addressed the angle you seemed strongly to be refuting.

I think any further conversation, if you really would like one, would be more fruitful off the board.
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#2967609 - 01/07/19 08:54 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: MathOfInsects]
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#2967612 - 01/07/19 09:07 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: bennyray]
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Originally Posted By: bennyray
Just my opinion her licks are not tasteful and smooth as some are repeated to become boring just my opinion!

But I don't think racist has nothing to do with her performance. The playing has more do with performance. Oh yea she is a great player but if your ears do the listening just not tasteful for my ears. Not throwing shade JMO!


Completely agree with you. The first video is not very tasteful and not musical. I liked the second video with C. Corea much more. And comments about racism or sexism were absolutely unnecessary.
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#2967614 - 01/07/19 09:19 PM Re: Hiromi unleashes her monster chops, again [Re: Mark Zeger]
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Coffee?


yes, I'll buy. coffee
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