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#2966496 - 01/03/19 07:42 AM Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig?
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I've got a very cool gig coming up at the end of the month, doing a little showcase with That Joe Payne at Yamaha UK. The twist is that we turn up and play the gig just using Yamaha equipment they have in stock. I think they're going for a similar to Anderton's Sound Like series?

There's one downside to this: I've never used any Yamaha keys before (I have two FC-4 pedals though that are 10 years old and lovely though) and I'll have minimal time to program anything.

So, Yamaha-heads, what should I be making a beeline for? The majority of the music is orchestral so I need lots of really nice strings, preferably ones I can shape easily. On my PC3 I have the sliders mapped to different elements and techniques so I can fade in, say, doubling everything up the octave, or switching the left hand to pizzicato while keeping the right arco. There's also a bit of synth on the records, which in the studio was FM8 so Yammy gear should be perfect for this.

The way I see it is either the Montage or MODX would be the best replacement for my PC3, and I like the idea of having a Reface or two for synth sounds. The Genos looks really awesome for this but it also looks utterly terrifying!
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#2966504 - 01/03/19 08:23 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: MorayM]
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Moray, most of the things you are mentioning on the Kurz are sort of do-able with the Montage/MODX but to get the sort of precise control you are talking about is only possible with quite a bit of pre-programming time, which you probably won't have the luxury of.

Genos is not as terrifying as it sounds for dialling up sound families, most with the articulation switches already built into the voices without the need for editing. If they'll let you use one of those – or even an earlier Tyros – it might be a good choice.
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#2966513 - 01/03/19 08:56 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Aidan]
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Walking up to a foreign board and doing the things you list on the fly is quite a challenge (as Aidan notes).

Yamaha has a wealth of great orchestral tones in MODX/Montage - very easy to find via touchscreen. easy to dive into strings, wind, brass, as you need. But having multiple sounds in a Performance so you can blend in/out/fade etc - that has to be programmed unless you luck on one of the Performances already set up with the super knob to do transitions as you desire.

Do you know if it will be Montage or MODX (both are effectively the same engine - Montage has more sliders controls etc.)

its not hard to construct Perf's quickly that bring in different single-part orchestral sounds together. Easy to solo on one part, but the blending/fading - that takes a lil setup to get as you desire. Depending on ambition and pre-familiarity, you could set it up fairly quickly.

I've never touched a Genos - or any arranger for that matter.
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#2966520 - 01/03/19 09:38 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Aidan]
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Thanks Aidan, that's good to know, particularly about the Genos. I think that'll probably be at the top of my list to try!
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#2966539 - 01/03/19 10:41 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: MorayM]
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Moray, congratulations on what looks to be a fun gig. I hope you'll post the video here should you have one.

Not sure how much time you will have hands on with the final instruments but prepping sounds interesting. Keep us posted. Do you have a pal with a Montage/ModX?

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#2966670 - 01/04/19 04:58 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: JerryA]
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There'll definitely be some video. I don't know anyone locally with either but if I have time between now and then I'll check my local(ish) store for a demo.
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#2966695 - 01/04/19 07:41 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: MorayM]
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When's the gig Moray? Is it at Yamaha Music in Wardour Street? I may pop in!

Cheers, Mike
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#2966720 - 01/04/19 09:28 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: stoken6]
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I haven't played a Genos, but based on what I know, that's what I'd go for. As others said, the Montage/MODX can pretty much do the same things as you're doing on the Kurz, but like the Kurz, will require advance knowledge and setup time that it sounds like you won't have. Genos' built-in articulations are designed to give you natural sounding alterations as you play, without your having to do advance programming. I'd think of it as driving an automatic rather than a stick. You lose some fine level of control for the utmost in performance, but you get pretty good results without having to think about it.
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#2966741 - 01/04/19 10:24 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: AnotherScott]
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if you could get your hands on a Montage or MODX before you go, and assuming you know what you'll want to play at this upcoming gig - you can create a library file and bring a USB stick ... if that level of advanced prep appeals. IF you don't introduce user waveforms (user samples), and there's no reason you should have to - load time is very quick.

I assume same for Genos ... again, never touched nor smelled that animal.
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#2966813 - 01/04/19 02:44 PM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: MotiDave]
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Hi Moray --

If you do give Genos a go, I had a few moments and put together a very brief quick start:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-to-60-in-4-seconds/

I use Genos as a synth and often ignore all of the auto accompaniment features. There's probably a few typos lurking in the write-up, but hopefully it will save you some time.

All the best -- pj

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#2968095 - 01/10/19 04:50 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
When's the gig Moray? Is it at Yamaha Music in Wardour Street? I may pop in!

Cheers, Mike


Hey Mike, it is! It would be great to see you, and anyone else who wants to listen to great music and geek out. It's 24th Jan, won't be a late one though. It's ticketed, but tickets are free, get them here: https://www.thatjoepayne.com/tour
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#2968097 - 01/10/19 04:53 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: pjd]
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Originally Posted By: pjd
Hi Moray --

If you do give Genos a go, I had a few moments and put together a very brief quick start:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-to-60-in-4-seconds/

I use Genos as a synth and often ignore all of the auto accompaniment features. There's probably a few typos lurking in the write-up, but hopefully it will save you some time.

All the best -- pj

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That is perfect pj, thank you so much! I shall keep that bookmarked on my phone.
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#2968256 - 01/10/19 06:44 PM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: pjd]
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Originally Posted By: pjd
Hi Moray --

If you do give Genos a go, I had a few moments and put together a very brief quick start:

http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-to-60-in-4-seconds/

I use Genos as a synth and often ignore all of the auto accompaniment features. There's probably a few typos lurking in the write-up, but hopefully it will save you some time.

All the best -- pj

Music technology blog: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/



I like your website!
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#2968282 - 01/10/19 09:04 PM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Synthaholic]
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Thanks, folks! Glad to help out.

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#2968290 - 01/11/19 12:00 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: pjd]
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I'd put a Yamaha sticker on the PC3... wink

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#2968293 - 01/11/19 12:36 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Analogaddict]
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I'd put a Yamaha sticker on the PC3... wink


Very clever don't see many Yamaha's like I used too but dang this forum has has so many fans guess I need to check the Montage out wait I did that last year. like
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#2968445 - 01/12/19 12:36 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: bennyray]
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I don’t intend to bash Yamaha - I own, love and use a MODX, and I have a CP80 and a Yamaha upright home, but they have a history of having endorsers that don’t actually use the Yamahas. David Bryan is perhaps the most stellar example. I spend so much time programming sounds that I get a bit annoyed when somebody assumes that I can do the same thing without proper preparations. smile This is just my personal ‘problem’, it seems like a great gig otherwise, congrats to Moray!!!

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#2968485 - 01/12/19 10:31 AM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Analogaddict]
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In my rig I have both a Montage and a PC3 and I am doing 95% strings with the ELO tribute band I am doing right now. I think the Kurzweil outperforms the Montage on a lot of string sounds and sounds more lush and organic. For solo violins, chellos and pizzicatos the Montage is doing a nicer job. If someone told me to leave the Kurzweil at home and use 2 Montage on a stage I would be in big trouble as they have very different sonic qualities. I love both, but they are very different.


Edited by Doberfort (01/12/19 03:24 PM)
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#2968543 - 01/12/19 02:53 PM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: Doberfort]
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Thanks for that perspective Doberfort, I'm looking forward to comparing the recordings!
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#2968555 - 01/12/19 04:35 PM Re: Gigging with an all-Yamaha rig? [Re: MorayM]
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How did it go? .... Or has it happened yet? I put very little time on the MODX. The time I did put on it it failed my virgin test. The Motif and earlier boards I could immediately go to voice mode and try and audition the basic core sounds of the board. On the new generation boards I'm lost. That not a bad thing. I just need to read a manual to figure how the new boards work. It's really different from the S90xx and Motifs.

PS. Oops I see the event is later. Sorry.


Edited by CEB (01/12/19 04:36 PM)
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