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How about a thread for rumors and leaks of what’s going to be at NAMM in January?

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I'm hoping (but doubtful) Moog will announce a long overdue polyphonic synth.

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Always something to look forward to... Summer NAMM, Winter NAMM, Viet NAMM. laugh


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Dexibell has announced they are have some news for NAMM.

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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
Always something to look forward to... Summer NAMM, Winter NAMM, Viet NAMM. laugh



my industry contacts have whispered of a new game changer synth;

Product is named " Apocalypse "
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With a full metal chassis, no doubt. grin


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Waldorf has promised a full reveal of the Kyra (formerly Valkyrie) FPGA-based synthesizer. They originally indicated that it would be available as of the show but given their slippery timeline for Quantum deliveries that might be optimistic.

Gattobus has stated that he's been working with something new from Roland that will be announced.

Synclavier has a "how long can you hold your breath" teaser on their site regarding something to be announced.


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still 2 months away. The industry is focused on selling current inventory during the holiday season. Leaks about furure products do not help that.


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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
With a full metal chassis, no doubt. grin



The sound engineer of "Apocalypse " has a nick name;
Colonel Kurtz
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
still 2 months away. The industry is focused on selling current inventory during the holiday season. Leaks about furure products do not help that.


you are correct, of course.

But some of us are a tad obsessive.
And silly.


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There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines

Yamaha should present an cp1/cp4 follow up
Casio the next px-5s..
Nord lead 5 or C3d or maybe even both..

Spectrasonics should present their stylus rmx follow up..
Akai wil show a keyboard with mpc touch and Advance VIP controlls

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..


There should be enough for some heavy GAS,..

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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
still 2 months away. The industry is focused on selling current inventory during the holiday season. Leaks about furure products do not help that.


Maybe so, but as a consumer I’m interested in how competition makes things better for us consumers, and making smart, informed choices in how we spend our money. It used to be that news from NAMM was considered counterproductive to sales of products already on the market, so maybe you should protest any NAMM reporting as well. If you aren’t interested in future products, then feel free to avoid this thread.

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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I'm hoping (but doubtful) Moog will announce a long overdue polyphonic synth.


Like the Moog one that they anounced last month?

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FWIW, I created two other NAMM threads, so that we have a separate thread for each of our three types of NAMM discussions. This thread would count as the annual advance thread for speculation, wish lists, and early product announcements. The second thread is an advance thread for planning: how to get passes, when and where to meet up with other forum members, etc., and the third thread is the traditional NAMM Reports thread for product announcements, videos, and reports from members on what and who they saw at the Convention Center.

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I'm hoping (but doubtful) Moog will announce a long overdue polyphonic synth.


Like the Moog one that they anounced last month?


Some day Markyboarding will be a ban-worthy violation of forum rules. But 'till then ...
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Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
Synclavier has a "how long can you hold your breath" teaser on their site regarding something to be announced.

In researching the Synclavier V, I noticed the wise omission of a sequencer. Better to use the DAW you know over NED's older, proprietary approach. I do like the instrument's basic sound, but FM is easily had in many more accessible flavors now. You'll have to feel seriously drawn to it to embrace its approach to additive, sampling proper and resynthesis. In the case of this or the Fairlight V, you should do a careful cost/benefit analysis concerning the work load required to make either one sing. The presets do scream "EIGHTIES!," so be prepared to build your own library early on or be relegated to just one musical era. If you spend 12 hours editing partials by hand every Sunday, see physician. If they're considering a baby hardware Synclavier of some kind, watch the sales of their logo stickers jump so people can put them on their Casios & Krosses.


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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..


Behringer won't be exhibiting at NAMM


Originally Posted By: Radagast
then feel free to avoid this thread.


Wasn't trying to be snarky, sorry if my post came off that way. I will take your advice however.


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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines...


I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model. Oh well, as usual as soon as I buy something the next model comes out. But lets at least hope it has a better keybed, right everyone? (Though I don't find it to be the worst).


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Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace
FWIW, I created two other NAMM threads, so that we have a separate thread for each of our three types of NAMM discussions.




And very grateful we are too Geoff.

Speaking as someone who lives in the UK, I have about as much chance of flying to the moon as I have of getting to NAAM.

I REALLY look forward to your reports every year, long may they continue.


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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model.


A multi-engine Krome 2 would be a perfect upgrade... to compete with the Yamaha MODX.


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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model.


A multi-engine Krome 2 would be a perfect upgrade... to compete with the Yamaha MODX.



As a long time Kronos owner, a Krome 2 [simplified light weight low cost stripped down Kronos] isn't of interest.

If the tea leaves are correct, Korg is simply mimicing or following Yamaha.

Korg use to be a 'leader' not a box moving 'follower' with flag ship type products.

And the Kronos LS has been out for a year. True, nothing low cost there.

What I like about NAMM, its a chance to see the priorities and product strategy
of a co like Korg or Roland.

My point is that 'leading ' is more interesting than 'following ' or copying.


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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model.


A multi-engine Krome 2 would be a perfect upgrade... to compete with the Yamaha MODX.




I would love to see Korg come out with a line based on the OS found in the Grandstage and Vox Continental. Four engines: HD-1, AL-1, EP-1, SGX-2. This would have the faster boot time found on the GS/VC and provide a more performance focus. So eliminate the less used MOD-7 and STR-1 as well as KARMA and the sequencer. Keep SST and Set List mode. Be able to add third-party sample libraries (what's available for the Kronos dwarfs anything else out there, so don't lose that asset). Personally, I'd like to see them aim a little higher in price and not compromise on actions, but whatever.

Engines are important. VA, organ and piano specific engines make a big difference. Sample-based engines can't do everything.

Busch.

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I would love to see Korg come out with a line based on the OS found in the Grandstage and Vox Continental. Four engines: HD-1, AL-1, EP-1, SGX-2. This would have the faster boot time found on the GS/VC and provide a more performance focus. So eliminate the less used MOD-7 and STR-1 as well as KARMA and the sequencer. Keep SST and Set List mode. Be able to add third-party sample libraries (what's available for the Kronos dwarfs anything else out there, so don't lose that asset). Personally, I'd like to see them aim a little higher in price and not compromise on actions, but whatever.

Engines are important. VA, organ and piano specific engines make a big difference. Sample-based engines can't do everything.

Busch.


I agree, engines are important.

I have had this question for awhile.

I don't much development of the MOD-7 and STR-1 engines.

Its been + 7 yrs plus Oasys time.

For all that time, it seems that only the surface is scratched for MOD-7 and STR-1

If you agree, do you have an opinion why ?

Thanks


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I agree, engines are important.

I have had this question for awhile.

I don't much development of the MOD-7 and STR-1 engines.

Its been + 7 yrs plus Oasys time.

For all that time, it seems that only the surface is scratched for MOD-7 and STR-1

If you agree, do you have an opinion why ?

Thanks


Both are challenging to program. With FM, you're dealing with the interaction of modulators to operators in chains. With STR-1 you're dealing with excitation, damping, dispersion, resonators, etc. What do those things even mean? Most people can handle Minimoog-level programming. Not that the idea of oscillators, filters, envelope generators wasn't a challenge initially.

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I agree, engines are important.

I have had this question for awhile.

I don't much development of the MOD-7 and STR-1 engines.

Its been + 7 yrs plus Oasys time.

For all that time, it seems that only the surface is scratched for MOD-7 and STR-1

If you agree, do you have an opinion why ?

Thanks


Both are challenging to program. With FM, you're dealing with the interaction of modulators to operators in chains. With STR-1 you're dealing with excitation, damping, dispersion, resonators, etc. What do those things even mean? Most people can handle Minimoog-level programming. Not that the idea of oscillators, filters, envelope generators wasn't a challenge initially.

Busch.


I could be wrong but sense a similarity to my experience in big software co's.

Specifically for large co OS development, being a Linix guru is not enough. Software development tools are available vs ' rolling your own ' for software for embedded specialized devices.

The development tools speed up the software writing , and the full device is available to market in less time. Being " first " is huge in the tech arena.

Anyway, that the pitch behind 'software development tools'.

So when I see 'Both are challenging to program' it could be due to missing
' middleware' or Korg not providing adequate developer tools
for MOD-7 and STR-1.

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Give me a 76/73 semi-weighted Kronos and I'd be very happy. (I know, I know, it's never going to happen)

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Originally Posted By: Geoff Grace
FWIW, I created two other NAMM threads, so that we have a separate thread for each of our three types of NAMM discussions.


And very grateful we are too Geoff.

Speaking as someone who lives in the UK, I have about as much chance of flying to the moon as I have of getting to NAAM.

I REALLY look forward to your reports every year, long may they continue.

Thank you for your kind words, Six-string-man. Of course, while I typically get the ball rolling and contribute heavily to that thread, I consider its life blood to be that of the many contributions from our community. I look forward to it every year as well!

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Originally Posted By: burningbusch
I would love to see Korg come out with a line based on the OS found in the Grandstage and Vox Continental. Four engines: HD-1, AL-1, EP-1, SGX-2. This would have the faster boot time found on the GS/VC and provide a more performance focus. So eliminate the less used MOD-7 and STR-1 as well as KARMA and the sequencer. Keep SST and Set List mode. Be able to add third-party sample libraries (what's available for the Kronos dwarfs anything else out there, so don't lose that asset). Personally, I'd like to see them aim a little higher in price and not compromise on actions, but whatever.

Engines are important. VA, organ and piano specific engines make a big difference. Sample-based engines can't do everything.

Busch.

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines

Yamaha should present an cp1/cp4 follow up
Casio the next px-5s..
Nord lead 5 or C3d or maybe even both..

Spectrasonics should present their stylus rmx follow up..
Akai wil show a keyboard with mpc touch and Advance VIP controlls

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..


There should be enough for some heavy GAS,..


I doubt Casio will have any update to the 5S...they still sell bucket loads of them, so why spend wasted money on new tech? They have developed other keys ranges around the 5S, but it they have left it alone. When you're on a good thing.....


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Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines

Yamaha should present an cp1/cp4 follow up
Casio the next px-5s..
Nord lead 5 or C3d or maybe even both..

Spectrasonics should present their stylus rmx follow up..
Akai wil show a keyboard with mpc touch and Advance VIP controlls

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..


There should be enough for some heavy GAS,..


I doubt Casio will have any update to the 5S...they still sell bucket loads of them, so why spend wasted money on new tech? They have developed other keys ranges around the 5S, but it they have left it alone. When you're on a good thing.....


I dont think they evensell 10% of what they could sell if they did an updated 5s with the new interface and some new features/improved sound...

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There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines

Yamaha should present an cp1/cp4 follow up
Casio the next px-5s..
Nord lead 5 or C3d or maybe even both..

Spectrasonics should present their stylus rmx follow up..
Akai wil show a keyboard with mpc touch and Advance VIP controlls

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..


There should be enough for some heavy GAS,..


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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines...


I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model. Oh well, as usual as soon as I buy something the next model comes out. But lets at least hope it has a better keybed, right everyone? (Though I don't find it to be the worst).


Korg could still be showing a Kronos replacement. Maybe they’re being exceptionally secretive about it.

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines

Yamaha should present an cp1/cp4 follow up
Casio the next px-5s..
Nord lead 5 or C3d or maybe even both..

Spectrasonics should present their stylus rmx follow up..
Akai wil show a keyboard with mpc touch and Advance VIP controlls

And finally Behringer will show a workstation...
Which will both play VST’s.and will be expendable with analogue circuit boards..

There should be enough for some heavy GAS,..


I doubt Casio will have any update to the 5S...they still sell bucket loads of them, so why spend wasted money on new tech? They have developed other keys ranges around the 5S, but it they have left it alone. When you're on a good thing.....


I dont think they evensell 10% of what they could sell if they did an updated 5s with the new interface and some new features/improved sound...

Sometimes killing the cash cow with new innovation is the best long term business strategy. In other industries, the companies that held onto their old revenue model lost out on new opportunities.

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[quote=KorgyPorky]There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines...


Korg could still be showing a Kronos replacement. Maybe they’re being exceptionally secretive about it.


this guess work has surfaced same time, other months, for the past 3 years

In hind sight, that guesswork was incorrect.

This has been repeated a few times. Our mod from the Kronos FB group visited Korg HQ in Japan and sat down with engineers.

Bottom line, while of course NDA'a are king at HQ, it was the reasoned opinion , based on this visit, that no new Kronos replacement this year or NAMM 2019. That an OS update might resurface for the K's and K2, based on the support by Korg.

Thats the best close up speculation we have. Thats what I go by.

I see no harm in waiting 2 months for NAMM 2019. Plus we can observe if there are substantial K2 price reductions for factory new [ forget tea leaf reading on refurbs] at retail over the next 60/90 days.

The K2 is outstanding at reaching music goals if anyone is inclined. So waiting, month after month after month might stall music goals.

Reaching my music goals is more important than trying to 'hedge ' the moving keyboard
market in our niche.

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Technology has come such a long way that sometimes snapping up an existing keyboard at a closeout price can be a good investment. As long as the upgrade to an existing model is an improvement over your current main KB

I'm still using my Motif ES8 and it would be nice to get a newer model with a large color screen, half-peddling, twice as many elements and sounds, in a later model with a built in sequencer. I've seen them for sale in the used market, and if I were still an active player and had some $$$ I might be tempted. But alas, I'm way over the hill and not rolling in the money.

But for younger folks, some of the current models can be a bargain.


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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines...


I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model. Oh well, as usual as soon as I buy something the next model comes out. But lets at least hope it has a better keybed, right everyone? (Though I don't find it to be the worst).


Yeah, the Krome was introduced in 2012, I believe, it's due for replacement. I'd be very interested, but I do hope they'll go with a traditional 76 rather than the odd C-to-C 73 they have now.

And this wouldn't be a Zephonic post if I didn't moan about aftertouch a little. so there.

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Looks like GC has the 73 and 88 marked down now too. Yep, this should be interesting.


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Don’t know why, but I prefer 73 to 76. Probably the look. Would love Yamaha and Roland do a 73. Meanwhile, an enhanced Krome 73 would be nice.

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Yeah, the Krome was introduced in 2012, I believe, it's due for replacement. I'd be very interested, but I do hope they'll go with a traditional 76 rather than the odd C-to-C 73 they have now.

And this wouldn't be a Zephonic post if I didn't moan about aftertouch a little. so there.


By your logic, the Kronos is also due for a replacement.

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Yeah, the Krome was introduced in 2012, I believe, it's due for replacement. I'd be very interested, but I do hope they'll go with a traditional 76 rather than the odd C-to-C 73 they have now.

And this wouldn't be a Zephonic post if I didn't moan about aftertouch a little. so there.


By your logic, the Kronos is also due for a replacement.


The current Kronos 2 was introduced in 2014 or 2015, I think.

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Yeah, the Krome was introduced in 2012, I believe, it's due for replacement. I'd be very interested, but I do hope they'll go with a traditional 76 rather than the odd C-to-C 73 they have now.

And this wouldn't be a Zephonic post if I didn't moan about aftertouch a little. so there.


By your logic, the Kronos is also due for a replacement.


The current Kronos 2 was introduced in 2014 or 2015, I think.


But the kronos 2 is identical in features to the Orriginal and the X
The only thing they changed was the mainboard and cpu, as they ran out of those
But in power and functionallity its the same as the orriginal K and the X
Since you can install a simple software update, and buy an expansion to upgrade them..

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Rumors spreading about a new Kronos or Krome coming at NAMM. People referring to people “in the know”. Very hush-hush, but definitely got me salivating.

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Rumors spreading about a new Kronos or Krome coming at NAMM. People referring to people “in the know”. Very hush-hush, but definitely got me salivating.


Korg rumor spreading is the annual Internet event in December

a Krome replacement is a no brainer. Price has been cut. Obvious signal of EOL, potential replacement sounds reasonable.

Kronos ? nothing obvious to support EOL. Sketchy internet sources etc etc. Not seeing or reading anything thats more than a cup of coffee.

And not to be forgotten, Korg launched LS Kronos June 2017 and the Grand Stage July 2017. Kronos derivatives. Why tank potential sales with a " Kronos replacement " ?

That business point seems logical.

If anything, Korg could introduce another 'rebranded ' expensive synth which has some of the strengths of Kronos. Another $2500 synth product. But it won't be called Kronos 3. Korg will continue to offer Kronos 2 for another full year, or thru 2019.

Thats my guesswork for ' new'. Same old same old and a 'new' $2500 synth [not named Kronos].

Above is IMO. I wouldn't do the Internet sketchy thing.

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As usual, I am looking ( begging ) for a pass.

I am willing to offer cartage to and from the NAMM site in exchange. Will be driving a Nissan Quest Van , so I could potentially haul a lot of stuff.

I can make the trip from LAX or wherever.

I was kind of bugged when a forum member actually reprimanded me for offering this a few years ago. Give me a break!

Anyway if you can help out PM me.

Thank you

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Originally Posted By: GregC
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Rumors spreading about a new Kronos or Krome coming at NAMM. People referring to people “in the know”. Very hush-hush, but definitely got me salivating.


Korg rumor spreading is the annual Internet event in December

a Krome replacement is a no brainer. Price has been cut. Obvious signal of EOL, potential replacement sounds reasonable.

Kronos ? nothing obvious to support EOL. Sketchy internet sources etc etc. Not seeing or reading anything thats more than a cup of coffee.

And not to be forgotten, Korg launched LS Kronos June 2017 and the Grand Stage July 2017. Kronos derivatives. Why tank potential sales with a " Kronos replacement " ?

That business point seems logical.

If anything, Korg could introduce another 'rebranded ' expensive synth which has some of the strengths of Kronos. Another $2500 synth product. But it won't be called Kronos 3. Korg will continue to offer Kronos 2 for another full year, or thru 2019.

Thats my guesswork for ' new'. Same old same old and a 'new' $2500 synth [not named Kronos].

Above is IMO. I wouldn't do the Internet sketchy thing.


Sweetwater has been offering incentives on buying a Kronos for a few months now. They have been trying different things like a free Minilogue or a free stand. If the Kronos was selling well, would they do that?

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http://korgusa.com/kronosstand


Yes, I figured Korg was pushing the deal. Isn't that the same as dropping the price, but this way they aren't tipping their hand?

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As usual, I am looking ( begging ) for a pass.

....


But why? Why can't you just buy a badge?

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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines...


I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model. Oh well, as usual as soon as I buy something the next model comes out. But lets at least hope it has a better keybed, right everyone? (Though I don't find it to be the worst).


Long ago I scanned the market for best available workstations for me and selected Motif XF as best fit for me. 3 months later Korg came out with Kronos, which was not an option at time of my choice.

I bought an MODX7 in October. 3 months later will be NAMM 2019 ...

if anyone is interested in who will release a major product at NAMM 2021, I'll be sure to post what I bought the preceding October 2020 smile


The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it.
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As usual, I am looking ( begging ) for a pass.

....


But why? Why can't you just buy a badge?


The convention is not open to the general public, that's why.


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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: Fleer
Rumors spreading about a new Kronos or Krome coming at NAMM. People referring to people “in the know”. Very hush-hush, but definitely got me salivating.


Korg rumor spreading is the annual Internet event in December

a Krome replacement is a no brainer. Price has been cut. Obvious signal of EOL, potential replacement sounds reasonable.

Kronos ? nothing obvious to support EOL. Sketchy internet sources etc etc. Not seeing or reading anything thats more than a cup of coffee.

And not to be forgotten, Korg launched LS Kronos June 2017 and the Grand Stage July 2017. Kronos derivatives. Why tank potential sales with a " Kronos replacement " ?

That business point seems logical.

If anything, Korg could introduce another 'rebranded ' expensive synth which has some of the strengths of Kronos. Another $2500 synth product. But it won't be called Kronos 3. Korg will continue to offer Kronos 2 for another full year, or thru 2019.

Thats my guesswork for ' new'. Same old same old and a 'new' $2500 synth [not named Kronos].

Above is IMO. I wouldn't do the Internet sketchy thing.


Sweetwater has been offering incentives on buying a Kronos for a few months now. They have been trying different things like a free Minilogue or a free stand. If the Kronos was selling well, would they do that?


They also offer free HS-5 studio monitors with the purchase of a Montage. Sometimes promos are just that, not an indication of anything else.

But yeah, maybe there’s a new Kronos-class instrument coming. Still, I think an updated Krome is much more important. The current one is not that competitive anymore.

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The convention is not open to the general public, that's why.


That's what you think. There are many legitimate ways that one can purchase a badge. In a similar thread I mentioned a few examples. It was called Namm 2019 planning or something.

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The convention is not open to the general public, that's why.


That's what you think. There are many legitimate ways that one can purchase a badge. In a similar thread I mentioned a few examples. It was called Namm 2019 planning or something.


Clarifying my previous post:
I know that if one is a member of AES, then that person can get a badge. What I meant by my post is that one can not just walk up to the convention center doors and pay to get in.


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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler

Clarifying my previous post:
I know that if one is a member of AES, then that person can get a badge. What I meant by my post is that one can not just walk up to the convention center doors and pay to get in.


Dave! What you said was this:
"The convention is not open to the general public, that's why."

There's so many things wrong with that post! In fact your own clarification was longer than the original post which is just an opinion.

Obviously, it's not as easy as buying a burger but if one is really interested in the event, there are MANY ways to obtain a badge legally. Becoming a member of AES is one of many ways.

Thousands of people do just that so your original comment is hardly the reason why should one 'beg' for a pass and get their posts deleted, when they can do a little homework on the subject.

Because of posts like yours, many believe the NAMM show is only open for those who are directly or indirectly affiliated with a NAMM member. Absolutely not true!

In any case....LX88, if you're still reading this thread, I strongly recommend that you register here:

https://registration.experientevent.com/showamm191/flow/NONM#/registrant//Dashboard/

Go through those options and see if any of them apply to you. I mean you don't even have to be specific. Sometimes, it's as easy as providing a URL to a music website that has your name on it!!! Submit the application. Make sure to use this promotional code. "AttendNAMM" (Not sure if this code has an expiration date though)

In few days, you'll get an answer from them. You won't be charged till you get approved. Give this a try! There's nothing to lose.

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OK, Sam, I get it. If I decide to go (yes I'm still undecided) I'll PM you and buy you a beer. cheers


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You got it! I'm not much of a drinker, but who could resist a beer! My treat for sure.

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Dave was correct in that NAMM is not open to the general public.

While it was nice to provide the registration link, it is still not open to the GENERAL PUBLIC as you must have a membership to obtain a visitor badge, and members must have a role in providing products, components, resale, distribution, and/or services in a professional role. Nowhere on that link is there an option for general public, and as it is a private organization they can refuse your membership request.

NAMM has had problems the last few years with visitors - attendees who are 'guests' of NAMM members - being reckless and members complaining about being unable to conduct business over the 'visitors' playing too loud (guitar amps, synths, etc). As a result, NAMM has been limiting visitor badges.

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Dave was correct in that NAMM is not open to the general public.

While it was nice to provide the registration link, it is still not open to the GENERAL PUBLIC as you must have a membership to obtain a visitor badge, and members must have a role in providing products, components, resale, distribution, and/or services in a professional role. Nowhere on that link is there an option for general public, and as it is a private organization they can refuse your membership request.

NAMM has had problems the last few years with visitors - attendees who are 'guests' of NAMM members - being reckless and members complaining about being unable to conduct business over the 'visitors' playing too loud (guitar amps, synths, etc). As a result, NAMM has been limiting visitor badges.


Being too loud? Booths get reprimanded a lot for being too loud and it has nothing to do with guest visitors! You can be an official NAMM member and get loud. It happens all the time. I've attended the winter NAMM over 20 times.

Again, the general public (meaning music enthusiasts I guess) can easily obtain a badge. My friend just received his approval last week. He only plays piano for a local church 10:00 to 11:00 every sunday. That's it! His girl friend also applied for a badge. She's a freelance musician/conductor. She was also approved. Now both can visit the show! They have zero connection to any NAMM member. It cost $25 per badge by the way.

Of course they're entitled to deny any persons. That's why it's called an application I guess.

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Dave was correct in that NAMM is not open to the general public.

While it was nice to provide the registration link, it is still not open to the GENERAL PUBLIC as you must have a membership to obtain a visitor badge, and members must have a role in providing products, components, resale, distribution, and/or services in a professional role. Nowhere on that link is there an option for general public, and as it is a private organization they can refuse your membership request.

NAMM has had problems the last few years with visitors - attendees who are 'guests' of NAMM members - being reckless and members complaining about being unable to conduct business over the 'visitors' playing too loud (guitar amps, synths, etc). As a result, NAMM has been limiting visitor badges.


Being too loud? Booths get reprimanded a lot for being too loud and it has nothing to do with guest visitors! You can be an official NAMM member and get loud. It happens all the time. I've attended the winter NAMM over 20 times.

Again, the general public (meaning music enthusiasts I guess) can easily obtain a badge. My friend just received his approval last week. He only plays piano for a local church 10:00 to 11:00 every sunday. That's it! His girl friend also applied for a badge. She's a freelance musician/conductor. She was also approved. Now both can visit the show! They have zero connection to any NAMM member. It cost $25 per badge by the way.

Of course they're entitled to deny any persons. That's why it's called an application I guess.

Ward, aren't you being a little tough on the Beaver? Offering some help for someone find a way in to NAMM is all fine and appreciated. But stopping just short of calling a forum member a liar when in fact the statement is true is a tad overbearing and unneeded.

NAMM is not open to the general public. That is just fact. period.

can one join an organization or otherwise find a non-public way in - sure, if one works to try and strives to do that, many things are possible. But if NAMM were open to the general public, like an Auto Show, none of that would be necessary.

I have a pass this year - one of the guys in one of my gigs has a guy who ...


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Dave was correct in that NAMM is not open to the general public.

While it was nice to provide the registration link, it is still not open to the GENERAL PUBLIC as you must have a membership to obtain a visitor badge, and members must have a role in providing products, components, resale, distribution, and/or services in a professional role. Nowhere on that link is there an option for general public, and as it is a private organization they can refuse your membership request.

NAMM has had problems the last few years with visitors - attendees who are 'guests' of NAMM members - being reckless and members complaining about being unable to conduct business over the 'visitors' playing too loud (guitar amps, synths, etc). As a result, NAMM has been limiting visitor badges.


Being too loud? Booths get reprimanded a lot for being too loud and it has nothing to do with guest visitors! You can be an official NAMM member and get loud. It happens all the time. I've attended the winter NAMM over 20 times.

Again, the general public (meaning music enthusiasts I guess) can easily obtain a badge. My friend just received his approval last week. He only plays piano for a local church 10:00 to 11:00 every sunday. That's it! His girl friend also applied for a badge. She's a freelance musician/conductor. She was also approved. Now both can visit the show! They have zero connection to any NAMM member. It cost $25 per badge by the way.

Of course they're entitled to deny any persons. That's why it's called an application I guess.

general public does not mean music enthusiasts who work around the general public restriction to get approved by an entity who can then issue an otherwise unavailable badge. It means the exact opposite of that.


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[quote=MotiDave]....



That's because you made up all these things that I NEVERsaid.

This is exactly what I wrote:

"Obviously, it's not as easy as buying a burger but if one is really interested in the event, there are MANY ways to obtain a badge legally. Becoming a member of AES is one of many ways.

Thousands of people do just that so your original comment is hardly the reason why should one 'beg' for a pass and get their posts deleted, when they can do a little homework on the subject. "

Then I went on to say

" Go through those options and see if any of them apply to you. I mean you don't even have to be specific. Sometimes, it's as easy as providing a URL to a music website that has your name on it!!! Submit the application. Make sure to use this promotional code. "AttendNAMM" (Not sure if this code has an expiration date though)

In few days, you'll get an answer from them. You won't be charged till you get approved. Give this a try! There's nothing to lose. "

I don't know what your problem is! You keep making my statement about something else.




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[quote=MotiDave]....



That's because you made up all these things that I NEVERsaid.

This is exactly what I wrote:

"Obviously, it's not as easy as buying a burger but if one is really interested in the event, there are MANY ways to obtain a badge legally. Becoming a member of AES is one of many ways.

Thousands of people do just that so your original comment is hardly the reason why should one 'beg' for a pass and get their posts deleted, when they can do a little homework on the subject. "

Then I went on to say

" Go through those options and see if any of them apply to you. I mean you don't even have to be specific. Sometimes, it's as easy as providing a URL to a music website that has your name on it!!! Submit the application. Make sure to use this promotional code. "AttendNAMM" (Not sure if this code has an expiration date though)

In few days, you'll get an answer from them. You won't be charged till you get approved. Give this a try! There's nothing to lose. "

I don't know what your problem is! You keep making my statement about something else.


The problem is you provided a link to apply for a membership for the goal of obtaining a badge but this does not imply that NAMM is open to the general public.

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The problem is you provided a link to apply for a membership for the goal of obtaining a badge but this does not imply that NAMM is open to the general public.


The problem here is that you did NOT bother to actually read a meaningful conversation that I was having with another forum member, so you ended up making up statements and accused me of calling others liars!

The fact that you can't just walk up to the show and buy a badge just like that is already understood. That's not what we're talking here. I never said you can just randomly show up and pay $25 to get in just like you do at the movies.

I did however say that NAMM does provide many options for guests visitors so just saying this:

" "The convention is not open to the general public, that's why."

is not a reason for one to have to use questionable methods to obtain a pass. If you actually read all the posts, you'll have an idea what the conversation was all about. That other Dave got it and we planned a beer drinking session! Meaning we're on good terms.

You didn't! Please do not make up stories!

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The problem is you provided a link to apply for a membership for the goal of obtaining a badge but this does not imply that NAMM is open to the general public.


The problem here is that you did NOT bother to actually read a meaningful conversation that I was having with another forum member, so you ended up making up statements and accused me of calling others liars!


Keep it civil, dude. I do not approve of you twisting my polite attempt to correct you to fit the definition of accusing you of lying.

The fact remains - regardless of where one obtains their passes, NAMM is not open to the general public. Do you still dispute this?

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Dude you're changing the question! The question is exactly about how to get a pass. What do you mean regardless of where one obtains their pass? That's exactly what we're talking here. NAMM is not open to general public means nothing. As a non-member you still have to register....sign in and go through those options to see if any of them apply to you as a general public (meaning not affiliated with an official NAMM member)! That's what the badge link is all about! If you get approved, you will pay $25 without having to pay any additional fees.(if promotional code still applicable). If you're denied, then they will ask you for additional information.
Do you still dispute this?

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You were challenged to dispute the fact that NAMM is not open to the general public and you sadly resorted to a knee-jerk dismissal of my point, then twisting the argument. That is a classic Alinsky manipulative tactic that should had stayed in grade school where it belongs, and I will not submit to it. You are evasive and cannot be reasoned with. We have nothing more to discuss, and this is not to be construed that you won any discussion.

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You were challenged to read the posts to understand what was being discussed and you didn't. You won't get to twist words and hijack the conversation just like that. Therefore I agree that we have nothing more to discuss.

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OK then, now that we have all this sorted out, let's get back on topic.

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How about a thread for rumors and leaks of what’s going to be at NAMM in January?


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OK then, now that we have all this sorted out, let's get back on topic.

Originally Posted By: Radagast
How about a thread for rumors and leaks of what’s going to be at NAMM in January?


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I see the rumor that Roland is putting together a monster poly based on Studio Electronics’ CODE8 hasn’t been posted here yet. That’s a pretty tasty possibility.


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If Roland is just going to brand an Omega/Code, I would be disappointed. The Omega/Code is quite old, there is very little room left to update the firmware, and the OS itself is somewhat archaic. BUT, do something new and interesting (and include MIDI response to PolyAT, of course) then they would definitely have my attention.

btw- I understand NAMM is not open to the General Public??

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btw- I understand NAMM is not open to the General Public??


Yeah, it's not open, so that's the end of it for the General public!!!

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Winter NAMM (National Association of Music Merchants) is officially not open to the general public. Unless something has changed that I don't know about, this is an accurate statement.

People can not just walk up to the show and buy a badge; however, there are several legitimate ways for people who have an interest in doing so to get into the show. Unless something has changed that I don't know about, these are also accurate statements.

There is a bigger point in brother MC's statement, though. At AES (and something like Gearfest), manufacturers/exhibitors are there primarily to see end users. At NAMM, that is not the case. Most of us are there mainly to see our dealers (domestic and international - more international than ever now that the Messe is essentially fragmented beyond repair), the press, other manufacturers, attend panels, etc. We plan our show goals, meetings and presentations very differently for NAMM than something like AES. It's the main chance we get to see these folks face to face...these days, more than ever - web demos/training sessions and the like have lessened the need for many of us to travel and see these folks during the year, so it's really important that we get to connect with as many of them as possible....for those of us who still believe in the physically interactive relationship aspect of the industry, anyway... smile

I love seeing friends at the show, and am glad to try and help end users whenever I can, of course; but - as anyone who's tried to talk to me at length during NAMM can attest - I've typically got meetings every half hour for the majority of the show from the moment the show starts, and frequently before and after. My schedule is already half booked and it's over a month away! At something like AES, I don't schedule very many meetings.

So, when you hear that NAMM is not officially open to the public, that aspect is probably as much (if not more) of a factor as physically getting through the doors.

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So if you backtrack the posts to the previous page, there was this comment from a fellow user... That he/she badly wanted to attend the event so much so that he felt there was a need to use questionable methods to obtain a pass or else that could not happen.

When I questioned why? Another user said "the reason why" is that the NAMM is not open to general public... .

That's when I said that's only an opinion. NAMM is not open to the general public, so the only way to get in is to beg and stuff is simply not true. There are many legit ways for getting a badge without having any connection to a NAMM member. It's ridiculously easy to obtain a badge. You have to register and submit the application if you want to do it on your own without paying additional fees (such as AES membership). Sometimes it's as easy as providing a link to your music website, or a copy of your business card, or just a letter from a studio, house of worship...etc.... . It also depends on the person who's reviewing the application. For all you know, most of them don't even go through the whole application and just approve. Some might ask for more info. All these options are available for the general public. Can one be denied? Absolutely! That's why it's called an "application".

Other than that trying to prove you can't just show up at random and ask for a badge would be like trying to prove Zebras have stripes. One has to put in a little work into it and take it from there, so it's definitely not like showing up at the movies to buy tickets. Even official NAMM members have deadlines. Yamaha can't just show up just like that either!


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trying to prove you can't just show up at random and ask for a badge would be like trying to prove Zebras have stripes.

To you, perhaps. To someone who's only been to an AES show or any other show where you can register onsite, maybe that info would be valuable. idk

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One has to put in a little work into it and take it from there, so it's definitely not like showing up at the movies to buy tickets. Even official NAMM members have deadlines. Yamaha can't just show up just like that either!

Thanks for clarifying that point. smile

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To someone who's only been to an AES show or any other show where you can register onsite, maybe that info would be valuable. idk



Yes, but that was already established in page 2. That individual already knew that, so that was already understood. It doesn't matter. At least you know what I'm talking about it. That's great.

In any case, hopefully he'll try out these options and get a badge. That was the whole idea.

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To someone who's only been to an AES show or any other show where you can register onsite, maybe that info would be valuable. idk


Yes, but that was already established in page 2. That individual already knew that, so that was already understood. It doesn't matter.

Sure it does. idea

Information on forums is read by lots of folks - sometimes years after it's been written - so what one individual in a thread seems to understand now only counts for so much.

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To someone who's only been to an AES show or any other show where you can register onsite, maybe that info would be valuable. idk



Yes, but that was already established in page 2. That individual already knew that, so that was already understood. It doesn't matter. At least you know what I'm talking about it. That's great.

In any case, hopefully he'll try out these options and get a badge. That was the whole idea.

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At NAMM, [most] of us are there mainly to see our dealers (domestic and international - more international than ever now that the Messe is essentially fragmented beyond repair), the press, other manufacturers, attend panels, etc. We plan our show goals, meetings and presentations very differently for NAMM than something like AES. It's the main chance we get to see these folks face to face...these days, more than ever - web demos/training sessions and the like have lessened the need for many of us to travel and see these folks during the year, so it's really important that we get to connect with as many of them as possible....for those of us who still believe in the physically interactive relationship aspect of the industry, anyway... smile

I love seeing friends at the show, and am glad to try and help end users whenever I can, of course; but - as anyone who's tried to talk to me at length during NAMM can attest - I've typically got meetings every half hour for the majority of the show from the moment the show starts, and frequently before and after. My schedule is already half booked and it's over a month away!
Yes, my usual interactions at NAMM with dB is to sorta wave at him as I walk past his booth(s)- he one busy guy (unless I get him talking about health issues...!). By the same token, as a member of not the general public I definitely step out of the way if there is real business being conducted.

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wouldn't it be easier to just give LX88 a badge and make this gawdawful thread vanish? grin


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wouldn't it be easier to just give LX88 a badge and make this gawdawful thread vanish? grin


No, becauase:

"Information on forums is read by lots of folks - sometimes years after it's been written - so what one individual in a thread seems to understand now only counts for so much."(dB)

You'd want to empower users, no?

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A while back (about 10 years ago), NAMM tried an experiment. NAMM show is 4 days long (Thurs-Sun) around the 3rd or 4th week of January every year. 10 years ago, their experiment was to make "guest badges" available to the general public for Sunday Only. This was a flop with exhibitors and paying member companies and their guests. Exhibitors pay big bucks to set up their booths and display areas so that they can answer questions to industry people who are prepared to place massive orders. Having the general public in there interfered with the ability of that kind of business to transpire. Exhibitors felt ripped off, NAMM member companies such as retailers were infuriated in that they couldn't get their answers from the exhibitors due to infiltration of the general public hogging all resources.
This is why the NAMM show is not open to the general public, and the result of that particular experiment only reinforced that policy.


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Originally Posted By: Tonysounds
wouldn't it be easier to just give LX88 a badge and make this gawdawful thread vanish? grin


Yes

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Originally Posted By: fjzingo
At some point it will happen, Nord keytar 1.


And there‘s a fairly good chance that I would really like that!

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Did I start all of this?

I haven't checked in to this thread. I posted a week ago, but no one has taken me up on my cartage/ taxi offer.

Too bad because I could potentially schlep enough goodies to fill a small exibit. Or can taxi someone to and from LAX or whatever for a pass.

I have had some terrific experiences at NAMM. The whole Red Key Lounge has been memorable. Seriously, it's interesting to meet the forum members, I don't want to give anyone priority but I have enjoyed the encounters.

The one I will never forget though was Steve Heddum from Minneapolis. He was at the dinner at Buca de Beppo ( or whatever it is called). He was a very " different" sort of person, but in a good way.

I have been somewhat of a loner when I have gone to NAMM. It's kind of risky but I drive down from Oregon.It's a challenge but often worth it , and a good time of year to get out of the Oregon winter.

Anyway, Steve Heddum died shortly after he was at NAMM in 2011. It's been 8 years ago! He had an accident while doing a roof repair in an even worse winter than mine in Minneapolis.

Sometimes the best people are taken from us.It's quite a reminder of how fragile life is. Life is about appreciating other people, even though I swear the percentage of people who can even keep their word these days is becoming smaller with each passing year.

Anyway the cartage / taxi offer still stands. PM me if interested.

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I was at the Brick & Mordor!!! Interstate Music in New Berlin WI yesterday; they had a PX5s on clearance.

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Originally Posted By: PianoManChuck
A while back (about 10 years ago), NAMM tried an experiment. NAMM show is 4 days long (Thurs-Sun) around the 3rd or 4th week of January every year. 10 years ago, their experiment was to make "guest badges" available to the general public for Sunday Only. This was a flop with exhibitors and paying member companies and their guests. Exhibitors pay big bucks to set up their booths and display areas so that they can answer questions to industry people who are prepared to place massive orders. Having the general public in there interfered with the ability of that kind of business to transpire. Exhibitors felt ripped off, NAMM member companies such as retailers were infuriated in that they couldn't get their answers from the exhibitors due to infiltration of the general public hogging all resources.
This is why the NAMM show is not open to the general public, and the result of that particular experiment only reinforced that policy.


TBH, if they haven't concluded business by Sunday, they're probably not going to at all!


The trouble with doing the job correctly first time, is no-one will ever know just how difficult it was.
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They also offer free HS-5 studio monitors with the purchase of a Montage. Sometimes promos are just that, not an indication of anything else.

But yeah, maybe there’s a new Kronos-class instrument coming. Still, I think an updated Krome is much more important. The current one is not that competitive anymore.


Korg could update both.

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I was at the Brick & Mordor!!! Interstate Music in New Berlin WI yesterday; they had a PX5s on clearance.


Really
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That’s interesting, maybe that means the PX5s is being discontinued
Yeah, maybe

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Incidentally, I love the phrase Brick & Mordor. I just need to figure out when exactly it is appropriate to use it. Is it the dark and gloomy equivalent of the Yellow Brick Road? A retail establishment whose staff resemble orcs? So much to ponder.


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Incidentally, I love the phrase Brick & Mordor. I just need to figure out when exactly it is appropriate to use it. Is it the dark and gloomy equivalent of the Yellow Brick Road? A retail establishment whose staff resemble orcs? So much to ponder.


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I was at the Brick & Mordor!!! Interstate Music in New Berlin WI yesterday; they had a PX5s on clearance.


Really
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That’s interesting, maybe that means the PX5s is being discontinued
Yeah, maybe
rolleyes

so, based on this logic, any time that any store puts a keyboard on clearance that keyboard is being discontinued.


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What about Kurzweil?!

No one mentions them anywhere, how long until they will refresh their PC3 line?!

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Since the PC3 line, there was the PC3K and A line; then the Artis stage piano, and their current efforts are on the Forte.
PC3 operating system updates including the K and A are probably over. Current efforts are updating and adding capabilities to the Forte series.


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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: emenelton
Originally Posted By: emenelton
I was at the Brick & Mordor!!! Interstate Music in New Berlin WI yesterday; they had a PX5s on clearance.


Really
Yes
That’s interesting, maybe that means the PX5s is being discontinued
Yeah, maybe
rolleyes

so, based on this logic, any time that any store puts a keyboard on clearance that
keyboard is being discontinued.


Clearance is different than demo-and it’s due

Found this video of the px5 that has, to me, a really great sound; like one of the nicest digital pianos, especially the solo.

https://youtu.be/hyc37lYJGXM

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I would love to see something ambitious and new from Kurzweil now that they appear to have their feet solidly under them and demand for the Forte appears to have been strong. I’m very happy with my Forte, certainly, but it’s also very much an iterative evolution of what they’ve done before with some aspects long overdue for revision.

I was eagerly hoping for a K3000 for the first few years of this millennium but now I’m resigned to being pleasantly surprised if it does ever come to pass.


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Originally Posted By: Synthoid
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I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model.


A multi-engine Krome 2 would be a perfect upgrade... to compete with the Yamaha MODX.




Since the Krome is considered a little sibling to the Kronos, it would seem logical that Korg would upgrade the Kronos first, then come with an update to the Krome, based on the Kronos 2 successor.

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Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
I was eagerly hoping for a K3000 for the first few years of this millennium but now I’m resigned to being pleasantly surprised if it does ever come to pass.

For me, the Forte was/is the K3000.

dB

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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
For me, the Forte was/is the K3000.


The leap from the K1000 to K2000 was enormous. We went from a basic sample ROM playback device to everything VAST has to offer. All of the changes since then feel pretty evolutionary by comparison, though they're all certainly welcome and in many cases very meaningful. My tendency is to think of the Forte as a K2900 because some of the fundamental limitations of the original K2000 still stand. Most notably, the 50Hz modulation clock that keeps the envelopes from feeling especially snappy and prevents audio-rate modulation from sources like LFOs.

Who knows what they have in the works, and on what timeframe? I wouldn't turn down another major Forte software release but I do hope they'll eventually focus on rethinking some of the fundamentals again.


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Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
For me, the Forte was/is the K3000.


My tendency is to think of the Forte as a K2900 because some of the fundamental limitations of the original K2000 still stand. Most notably, the 50Hz modulation clock that keeps the envelopes from feeling especially snappy and prevents audio-rate modulation from sources like LFOs.

Who knows what they have in the works, and on what timeframe? I wouldn't turn down another major Forte software release but I do hope they'll eventually focus on rethinking some of the fundamentals again.


I think it would have to come for free, i.e. no additional labor, testing etc. meaning it has to be part of a much larger advancement; maybe a knobby approach to VAST idk ? Unfortunately only you, A.C. and maybe 20 other people in the world care about the nuts and bolts of VAST including audio modulation etc. It's not what's going to sell the next model imo.

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Originally Posted By: Lady Gaia
The leap from the K1000 to K2000 was enormous. We went from a basic sample ROM playback device to everything VAST has to offer. All of the changes since then feel pretty evolutionary by comparison, though they're all certainly welcome and in many cases very meaningful. My tendency is to think of the Forte as a K2900 because some of the fundamental limitations of the original K2000 still stand.

Completely fair, and well said. thu

Originally Posted By: Markyboard
it has to be part of a much larger advancement; maybe a knobby approach to VAST idk ?

Cough, cough...VA1...cough... facepalm

Woulda coulda shoulda. rolleyes


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Unfortunately only you, A.C. and maybe 20 other people in the world care about the nuts and bolts of VAST including audio modulation etc.


C'mon - that's not fair. Gotta be closer to 60...okay, maybe 75. wink grin

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It's not what's going to sell the next model imo.


Probably correct....if for no other reason than where so many current offerings (both hardware and software) have already gone technologically, along with the increase in savvy on the part of the average user. Challenging to impress with that angle these days...

dB


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For me, the Forte was/is the K3000.


The leap from the K1000 to K2000 was enormous. We went from a basic sample ROM playback device to everything VAST has to offer. All of the changes since then feel pretty evolutionary by comparison, though they're all certainly welcome and in many cases very meaningful. My tendency is to think of the Forte as a K2900 because some of the fundamental limitations of the original K2000 still stand. Most notably, the 50Hz modulation clock that keeps the envelopes from feeling especially snappy and prevents
audio-rate modulation from sources like LFOs.
Who knows what they have in the works, and on what timeframe? I wouldn't turn down another major Forte software release but I do hope they'll eventually focus on rethinking some of the fundamentals again.



I wish they would start over on a 9 ft Steinway and offer it on the Forte

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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max
I'm about 90% sure it's going to be a Krome successor; Sweetwater has the Krome 61 listed as no longer available. See it for yourself: https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Krome61--korg-krome-61-key-synthesizer-workstation $449 off the Krome 88 too. I wonder what will be in the next model.


A multi-engine Krome 2 would be a perfect upgrade... to compete with the Yamaha MODX.




Since the Krome is considered a little sibling to the Kronos, it would seem logical that Korg would upgrade the Kronos first, then come with an update to the Krome, based on the Kronos 2 successor.


The Krome is not really a sibling of the kronos.. its more like the follow up of the m3
They have different engines, even the sample engine is different..

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A friend had an Ensoniq EPS16. He bought a sample labeled "Bosendorfer Imperial Grand Piano". I played on the real deal at NAMM... and the sample was nowhere near it.

Frankly I never heard a good piano sample on those Ensoniqs.

Still using my Kurzweil 1000PX for piano. If it ain't broke...

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
The Krome is not really a sibling of the kronos.. its more like the follow up of the m3 M50


Fixed.


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The Krome is not really a sibling of the kronos.. its more like the follow up of the m3 M50


Fixed.


I approve of perfect knowledge of Korg keyboard history twothumbs

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I wish they would start over on a 9 ft Steinway and offer it on the Forte

Dave Weiser is the solution to this. His Steinway patches are very good.


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I wish they would start over on a 9 ft Steinway and offer it on the Forte

Dave Weiser is the solution to this. His Steinway patches are very good.


He does have great 7' patches.
I don't think Kurzweil properly vetted the Steinway they used.

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There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines.


They need one. I had their PA4X last year for a week before I sent it back. Weak sounds, especially piano. Too big and bulky.


The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers

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Any rumors of new audio interfaces?


The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers

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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines.


They need one. I had their PA4X last year for a week before I sent it back. Weak sounds, especially piano. Too big and bulky.


Thats a concern I have had about Kong's direction for next year, etc.

I have enjoyed the 'separation ' between Korg arrangers and workstations[ Kronos ].

I would be disappointed if Korg shoved these 2 niches together ,make a 2 headed monster keyboard
so to speak. I enjoy the articulation of the arrangers- but I have zero interest in the canned stuff.

I like rolling my own parts, cooking originals using excellent 3rd party sounds, with just a little help, if needed.
This is an old discussion here, all about preference.

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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
There is something brewing at Korg, something big..
One rumor says its the next Kronos..
Another Rumor says its a new high end arranger with 2 sound engines.


They need one. I had their PA4X last year for a week before I sent it back. Weak sounds, especially piano. Too big and bulky.


Thats a concern I have had about Kong's direction for next year, etc.

I have enjoyed the 'separation ' between Korg arrangers and workstations[ Kronos ].

I would be disappointed if Korg shoved these 2 niches together ,make a 2 headed monster keyboard
so to speak. I enjoy the articulation of the arrangers- but I have zero interest in the canned stuff.

I like rolling my own parts, cooking originals using excellent 3rd party sounds, with just a little help, if needed.
This is an old discussion here, all about preference.


I was mainly just shocked that the programs were so weak. I didn’t like any of the guitars or organs, either. For $4500 it should have the best piano Korg has.


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Re: NAMM January 2019 [Re: Synthaholic] #2963451
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Wonder how many people don’t even know who Ray Kurzweil was or what he did for generations of musicians to come?
A damn genius who devoted his entire life to making others lives more enjoyable.
Even the KSP FX System while not being changed much for years was on the edge then and still very formidable.

And Im an FX Freak.
Ever since my first journey into giant sewers in St. Louis a s child I’ve been addicted to effects.
Spent thousands back in the day and still spend thousands on outboard FX.

But Ray Kurzweil changed all of our lives for the better.
I showed my son who he was and now he wants a Forte.. He’s only 11, I fucked up good because he won’t take a Yamaha PSR now. Wish I had a Forte when I was 11...


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Re: NAMM January 2019 [Re: Synthaholic] #2963453
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
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They need one. I had their PA4X last year for a week before I sent it back. Weak sounds, especially piano. Too big and bulky.


I've had it for the past 3 years and to me it sounds pretty good actually! Both 61 and 76 keys fit in the trunk of a compact car. I like it a lot .

Factory Pianos are good enough too but you can also use the free Salamander pianos.


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Re: NAMM January 2019 [Re: Radagast] #2963478
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I met Ray Kurzweil once at Namm in Chicago, not only a genius but a genuinely nice person.

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Originally Posted By: hardware
Wonder how many people don’t even know who Ray Kurzweil was or what he did for generations of musicians to come?
A damn genius who devoted his entire life to making others lives more enjoyable.
...


us geezers likely know about Ray.

I think the problem is bigger than 1 genius. One of my rants, is the casual disregard/indifference for all important history, be it tech, or progress etc. I have to put the breaks on.


Innovation is never a single event. It is a long process of discovery, engineering, and transformation.
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Originally Posted By: hardware


And Im an FX Freak.
...
But Ray Kurzweil changed all of our lives for the better.


Yep, the FX in a PC3 series or Forte are really good.
At least you recognize when diving into the editing experience and create your own FX chains for your programs and performances.
When it comes to "Insert FX Chains", these keyboards are the most flexible ones, and Forte doubles DSP power for FX vs PC3.

Originally Posted By: hardware

I showed my son who he was and now he wants a Forte.. He’s only 11, I fucked up good because he won’t take a Yamaha PSR now. Wish I had a Forte when I was 11...


cool laugh

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Then I would add to your maxim, Greg:
“Innovation is never a single event. It is a long process of discovery, engineering, interaction and transformation.”

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Rumor has it from someone in a Facebook group that they have seen a Krome EX. Person says that it’s the same look but in a “grayish shiny color”, does not have faders, has roughly the same number of sounds, and the piano is way better when compared to the Krome sitting next to it. Supposed to be revealed this month. NDA with someone otherwise.


Interested to say the least.


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Originally Posted By: Fleer
Then I would add to your maxim, Greg:
“Innovation is never a single event. It is a long process of discovery, engineering, interaction and transformation.”


Not to digress to much...

The book “Where Good Ideas Come From” by Steven Johnson puts it in this way. Both evolution and innovation tend to happen within the bounds of the adjacent possible, in other words the realm of possibilities available at any given moment. So it's a long process of discoveries, which step only possible with the choices presented from the previous one.


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Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Rumor has it from someone in a Facebook group that they have seen a Krome EX. Person says that it’s the same look but in a “grayish shiny color”, does not have faders, has roughly the same number of sounds, and the piano is way better when compared to the Krome sitting next to it. Supposed to be revealed this month. NDA with someone otherwise.


Sounds plausible, but I'm not sure reviving the EX designation is a good idea. It's very 2002, somehow.

I do hope they'll give it a better action; it's the one thing I really dislike about mine. But I'll probably get one either way.

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Originally Posted By: zephonic
Originally Posted By: Mighty Motif Max

Rumor has it from someone in a Facebook group that they have seen a Krome EX. Person says that it’s the same look but in a “grayish shiny color”, does not have faders, has roughly the same number of sounds, and the piano is way better when compared to the Krome sitting next to it. Supposed to be revealed this month. NDA with someone otherwise.


Sounds plausible, but I'm not sure reviving the EX designation is a good idea. It's very 2002, somehow.

I do hope they'll give it a better action; it's the one thing I really dislike about mine. But I'll probably get one either way.


Stage 2 EX was more recent. I think it adds to the confusion, though that may be the point. idk


Edit: Post is gone now. I forgot to mention that this new Krome is apparently “Version 2.0”. Not sure what they mean by that unless it has something to do with updated midi standards?

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Korg can't make a synth keybed worth a second note. They should just crawl back to Yamaha for decent keys.


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