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#2955727 - 10/31/18 05:32 PM OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music
GregC Offline
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There is so much creativity, great song writing, inspiring performances in music.

But todays commercial side does not resemble that- unless you are impressed by glossy production standards.

If this rant is offensive, I am ok with deleting it.

My point is if average or less than average talent is generating millions
of dollars and attracting a huge demographic , it is worthwhile defining
and understanding why this exists in the general public.

I know, why bother ? Fight or flight is primal. I choose to face it.

Ok ? ready,, aim...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle...m=.5160f7b90937

Post Malone is the perfect pop star for this American moment. That’s not a compliment.

The most popular young artist in the most unpopular young nation is a rhinestone cowboy who looks like he crawled out of a primordial swamp of nacho cheese. Post Malone is a Halloween rental, a removable platinum grill, a Cubic Zirconium proposal on the jumbo screen of a last-place team.

His music — one of the shallowest bastardizations of rap to date, and I don’t say that lightly — has the creative tension of associates at a downtown law firm complaining that $150,000 a year just doesn’t cut it. He looks like he got clubbed over the head by a cartoon peacock. He just turned 23.

And America just can’t get enough. Nielsen recently named the suburban-Dallas-raised rapper 2018’s most popular musician. So it was only a matter of time before Malone had his own festival, a contemporary rite of passage for nearly every major pop-rap star who has his face plastered across Spotify’s Get Turnt Playlist.
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#2955728 - 10/31/18 05:34 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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[snip #2]

On recordings, his falsetto is afforded a modest four-cylinder strength. But onstage it comes off slurred and sloppy, twitching like roadkill, limp off-key notes underscored by a booming backing track that operated like a life preserver.

“I’m going to get f----- up tonight. Who is f----- up tonight? If I forget the words because I’m too drunk, help me sing along,” he told the crowd.

It’s the same applause line that he used at Coachella. His entire set list was essentially identical to what he played at every festival all summer long, right down to the monosyllabic, curse-laden, between-song babbling about haters and the importance of rawking out and turning up.

Even if his voice barely slithered past the 10th row, it didn’t matter to fans who knew every word. They were there to commune to songs such as “Better Now,” his latest anthem to interchangeable heartache, presumably made for streaming at the Wahoo’s Fish Taco kiosk at LAX. The problem isn’t necessarily that it’s crass but that it’s meaningless. It’s not that it’s stupid but that it’s vacant. It’s the losing difference between appropriation and outright theft.
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#2955729 - 10/31/18 05:36 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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[snip #3]

He introduced “Candy Paint,” his song from the “Fate of the Furious” soundtrack, by telling the crowd that, “it’s a little something that we know about in Texas,” before flounder-crooning: “Candy paint with the white on top/Lambo doors of the oo-op drop/If you busy plotting on what I got/Kick in your door, that’s SWAT you thot.”

From the artists in the Screwed Up Click to UGK to Swishahouse, anthems consecrated to candy-painted cars are a fundamental component of Texas hip-hop. It’s a tradition that’s cut across racial lines to include Houston rappers such as Paul Wall and Riff Raff, who carved out singularly flamboyant lanes. They were originals. Post Malone is not.

There was no backing band and not even any set design for this victory-lap performance.

Just smoke and fire and yellow sodium stage lights that seemed to expose his limitations. On “Over Now,” he compared sex to body bags in a way that makes you wonder whether his entire sum of carnal knowledge comes from Pornhub.
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#2955730 - 10/31/18 05:40 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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He makes Vanilla Ice look like Luther Vandross. He makes Macklemore look like Mac Dre.

As if things couldn’t get any worse, Post Malone posed a question to the crowd: “Do you guys mind if I play my guitar for you?” he asked rhetorically, smoking a cigarette, sitting down for the part of the show where you are supposed to believe that he’s an artiste because he can competently strum an instrument.

“This is usually when people start walking away at festivals, but I hope you stay. .. This song is about feeling really sad.”

Post Malone’s problem isn’t that he’s a bad person or even completely untalented. It’s that he stands for nothing at all. He can afford to feign the swagger and cool of hip-hop when it’s convenient and opt out when it’s time to see who’s riding for the cause. It’s always been a fairly straightforward compact when it comes to hip-hop: If you’re a white person eating off what has historically been black culture, you have a certain obligation to repay that creative debt. Eminem continues to attack the hypocrisies and contradictions that allowed him to leapfrog equally gifted artists. Macklemore may have lacked subtlety or a rudimentary understanding of when to share text messages, but there was no questioning his dedication to confront his white privilege.


Edited by GregC (10/31/18 05:42 PM)
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#2955731 - 10/31/18 05:40 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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[final snip, thank-god]

It is true, after all. Post Malone has won. He’s received wealth and fame with little accountability. He’s reaped the extreme benefits of a system that allowed him to flourish yet asserts his privilege to remain purposefully ignorant. He knows he won the lottery but doesn’t understand that it was rigged in his favor. This is what the zeitgeist demanded as the latest whole-milk hip-hop avatar: a proud non-voter, a nonreader of books, the type of person who gets a JFK tattoo without knowing about Kennedy’s role in the Voting Rights Act while bizarrely claiming that he was “the only president to speak out against the crazy corruption stuff that’s going on in our government nowadays.” In other interviews, he’s repeatedly espoused tangled Alex Jones conspiracy theories about chemtrails, the government coming to take our assault rifles and secret guns that can give people heart attacks. He’s also a doomsday prepper, because of course he is.

What Post Malone so perfectly represents is the idiotic currents that have carried us to this present cultural submersion — where an objective notion of the truth has been systematically muddied, facts are negotiable and any hint of criticism — be it for lacking integrity, dignity or talent — can be brazenly dismissed as the pitiful cries of the “haters.” So congratulations, I guess. Who allowed this happen? What hole in the system allowed this greasy discarded barbecue wrapper to prosper? A fake pale king sitting on a tinfoil throne.

Return to sender.
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#2955805 - 11/01/18 04:21 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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We've unfortunately come to a point in which up and coming( read:"young") recording "artists" have come to expect not only gratification to be instant, but success as well. And an aggressive enough hype might help achieve that. And being OK with being TOLD all the time what you're EXPECTED to like or not doesn't help either. Most people still want peer acceptance, and if at least pretending to like some particular singer or actor, etc., achieves that, then we ARE stuck.
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#2955819 - 11/01/18 06:39 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: whitefang]
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Sounds like the artist American culture deserves at the moment; a completely worthless reflection of a nation which has lost every bit of integrity & dignity it once had. But that's just nitpicking . . .
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#2955821 - 11/01/18 06:44 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
We've unfortunately come to a point in which up and coming( read:"young") recording "artists" have come to expect not only gratification to be instant, but success as well. And an aggressive enough hype might help achieve that. And being OK with being TOLD all the time what you're EXPECTED to like or not doesn't help either. Most people still want peer acceptance, and if at least pretending to like some particular singer or actor, etc., achieves that, then we ARE stuck.
Whitefang


You bring up a strong point - something I have noticed for a decade or 2.

Its what I call ' following the herd'. Similar to 'safety in numbers' .

I think Post Malone might be an example. The hype is strong. Its possible
listeners are told its cool to ' like' him. So the herd builds and blindly follows along.

It takes a large sum of money to manufacture the image and fertilize it in the
media. Thus a small independent very talented artist, without the funds might perceive
the business is 19,000 foot tall mountain to climb.

I consider Facebook an example of following the herd. Not so much lately
but definitely 5-10 yrs ago. Not trying to change topic here, just asserting
an example.
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#2955822 - 11/01/18 06:57 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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I've never heard this guy's Music, AFAIK, but I do get the Washington Post, so I'd already read the article.

Interesting thing; as the lengthy quotes above will show, there is nothing in the entire article to really describe what he sounds like? It's essentially a hate rant about how this guy represents everything that's wrong with modern Music: he very well might, but I have no way to determine that from reading the article.

Not all forms of Music, or Musical expression are going to appeal to everyone, and for all I know, this guy may be the worst thing since . . . Milli Vanilli, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, who knows? I just didn't feel like I learned anything from reading that article the first time, even less the second time around . . .
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#2955831 - 11/01/18 07:24 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
I've never heard this guy's Music, AFAIK, but I do get the Washington Post, so I'd already read the article.

Interesting thing; as the lengthy quotes above will show, there is nothing in the entire article to really describe what he sounds like? It's essentially a hate rant about how this guy represents everything that's wrong with modern Music: he very well might, but I have no way to determine that from reading the article.

Not all forms of Music, or Musical expression are going to appeal to everyone, and for all I know, this guy may be the worst thing since . . . Milli Vanilli, Sigue Sigue Sputnik, who knows? I just didn't feel like I learned anything from reading that article the first time, even less the second time around . . .


Author made several comparisons/contrasts to other artists- in that genre
I suspect the author is not a musician. He does not necessarily paint the 'word pictures'
of Mr Amlone's music.

When I glanced at the article title, I stopped. I then YouTubed Mr Malone. That sealed the deal for me.

In general, I thinks its a good idea to make up our own mind.
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#2955860 - 11/01/18 09:05 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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I didn't read the article but I Youtubed him and I won't be doing it again LOL! He's not my cup of tea. I think it's another case of a promoter's packaged music that I'm not interested in listening to. I wish him success though, as the crowd/herd seems to like it in the live performance clip of Better Now... cool
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#2955949 - 11/01/18 05:52 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: Larryz]
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That whole piece could've been summed up by one old quote: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." - H. L. Mencken

...having said that, I hope he can manage to hang on to at least some of the $$$$ flowing his way right now. Too many people get ground up and shit out by the entertainment industry for me to wish him ill.
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#2955993 - 11/02/18 04:17 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Always loved that quote HUGO---

Plus, I long thought the sad state of "modern music" could be attributed to another psych philosophy-----

If you fed a group of starving people rotted food and garbage, and ONLY that for a long enough period of time, they would grow to love it, consider it "gourmet" fare, and then prefer it to anything else(or better). A sociology teacher I had back in high school brought that up once... wink
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#2956035 - 11/02/18 07:39 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: whitefang]
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If that's all I had to eat (or listen to), I would just go ahead and starve myself LOL! cool
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#2956110 - 11/02/18 02:13 PM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
Always loved that quote HUGO---

Plus, I long thought the sad state of "modern music" could be attributed to another psych philosophy-----

If you fed a group of starving people rotted food and garbage, and ONLY that for a long enough period of time, they would grow to love it, consider it "gourmet" fare, and then prefer it to anything else(or better). A sociology teacher I had back in high school brought that up once... wink
Whitefang


a good analogy. The big labels know that the majority of new music listeners will gravitate to what they are ' familiar ' with. Such as the same 4 chords but played in a different order/vocal and BPM.

Then music producers demand this mind numbing approach of young band/performers, and the result is blasted on all media, digital sites.

So what gets ignored and lost in the ether is interesting unique music that artists are diligently creating.

I don't believe this is news, as it this mass production has been going on for a decade or 2.
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#2956603 - 11/06/18 12:54 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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Reposted for your consideration.
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#2956665 - 11/06/18 08:03 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
Reposted for your consideration.


that 'millennial whoop ' is the most irritating sound in the world

i think every pop music producer has a sample of it thus its been
wash/rinse/repeat for the past 10 years. Zero imagination.
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#2957425 - Today at 04:07 AM Re: OT Rant; Post Malone- what's disappointing in todays music [Re: GregC]
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Well, there are still plenty of people out there who LOVE MUSIC, and plenty of good musicians out there for us to hear.

They may not sell millions of CDs.......

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