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#2955280 - 10/29/18 04:23 PM Consensus on table style stands
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After a career of x-brace stands (which have never given me a lick of trouble) I want to get a table style stand for the One. It's 42" wide, 20" deep and 45lbs. I don't own anything this girthy and I don't want to tempt the fates. Of the available stands from Quik Lok, Ultimate, and K&M, what's the consensus?

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#2955281 - 10/29/18 04:29 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: ksoper]
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#2955283 - 10/29/18 04:31 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: ksoper]
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I have Quik Lok and K&M table type stands and like them both. Both are used for hammer action keyboards. I frequently use one of these as the base of a triple stack, topping it with a double stand.
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#2955286 - 10/29/18 04:57 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Michael Wright]
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I am a big fan of K&M. Rock solid.


Another huge K&M fan here, albeit with a spider rather than a table stand. But would happily buy any options from them.
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#2955288 - 10/29/18 05:09 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: nursers]
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I had a table stand before of unremembered brand. I replaced it with this Gator Frameworks stand which I like a lot. Sturdy, heavy duty, adjustable, folds up for transport. I play standing up so I needed something that would be tall enough. But if I played sitting, I'd still like this stand. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BMUCRRQ/ref=oh_aui_bia_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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#2955296 - 10/29/18 05:38 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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K&M 18950.

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#2955309 - 10/29/18 06:51 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Kawai James]
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I think the K&M 18950 is the stand I had before the Gator. Expensive, unstable, and it fell apart.

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#2955310 - 10/29/18 06:53 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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My OnStage table stand has been great. I'm not sure if it'll be deep enough for you but it's sturdy and relatively cheap.
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#2955317 - 10/29/18 07:35 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
I think the K&M 18950 is the stand I had before the Gator. Expensive, unstable, and it fell apart.


How is the Gator? Sure looks solid.

All table stands I researched in the past will not go low enough to be comparable to piano height, but that may not be important to you. It is to me and is why I use the WS-550, or the WS-540 if I want something smaller.
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#2955330 - 10/29/18 09:31 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
I had a table stand before of unremembered brand. I replaced it with this Gator Frameworks stand which I like a lot. Sturdy, heavy duty, adjustable, folds up for transport. I play standing up so I needed something that would be tall enough. But if I played sitting, I'd still like this stand. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BMUCRRQ/ref=oh_aui_bia_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1



Been using this for a few months now - sturdy/easy set-up/looks cool/lotsa room for pedals and feet.
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#2955331 - 10/29/18 09:43 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: ksoper]
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Originally Posted By: ksoper
stand for the One.

I own a couple 18950's and they are rock solid.

My favorite is the K&M 18810 Omega. Totally stable and looks great.

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#2955341 - 10/30/18 02:02 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: RedKey]
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Originally Posted By: RedKey
Originally Posted By: ksoper
stand for the One.



My favorite is the K&M 18810 Omega. Totally stable and looks great.



I have two of these, one has stackers on it. Never any problems in the five years that I've been using them. Very solid, quick to assemble/break down. Highly recommended.
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#2955354 - 10/30/18 05:11 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Six-string-man]
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I have the OnStage - it has been quite stable. However, I haven't used it since getting a K&M 18880 - big difference in weight. (I also have the 18881 second tier, although it is not attached at the moment). For a single tier, I would expect that the 18810 would be very good, although I've never tried one, they seem to build good stuff.
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#2955359 - 10/30/18 05:51 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: RedKey]
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Originally Posted By: RedKey
Originally Posted By: ksoper
stand for the One.

I own a couple 18950's and they are rock solid.

My favorite is the K&M 18810 Omega. Totally stable and looks great.


I also love this stand.

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#2955404 - 10/30/18 09:30 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: cedar]
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I have the Omega and a couple of the 18950s. Unstable? I'd like to know how. Each leg has adjustable feet for when your terrain is not flat. HEAVY duty, and rock solid.
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#2955409 - 10/30/18 09:46 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Tonysounds]
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I've got the Omega, and it's awesome/rock solid. My only complaints are:

1. It's heavy and a little awkward to carry.

2. I have a regular gig where my position often straddles an uneven lip that runs parallel to the keyboard. Those long feet make it hard to position in such a way that doesn't introduce tilt.

3. It's expensive.

I use it set up semi-permanently in my studio, but after gigging it a few times decided it was a little too bulky for me to bring in and out of tight gig spaces.

I've been looking at the Gator Frameworks table mentioned above as a possible new stand, but haven't quite felt the need to buy it yet.

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#2955434 - 10/30/18 11:26 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
I think the K&M 18950 is the stand I had before the Gator. Expensive, unstable, and it fell apart.


?!?!?!?

I can't imagine of any way to make the 18950 wobble a single millimiter.
Maybe running a bulldozer over it, but not sure.

I also have the Omega. It's also rock solid despite the single legs, has space for any pedalboard (like the 18950) and looks great. Only thing, it's cumbersome to set up-tear down. You have to unscrew some bars, and those pieces of metals are BIG.
If you have a big van where you can throw it assembled, or you're going to keep it in the studio, no issue at all.

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#2955488 - 10/30/18 02:37 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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#2955494 - 10/30/18 03:14 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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I would never recommend the Omega for a regular gigging keyboard player that had to transport and/or set up their own rig. Sorry, ain't nobody got time for that.

(Same with the QuikLok Monolith stand... ugh...)

Fantastic stand in the studio, or at a house gig, though.

The 18950 gets a vote for me, and I concur with everyone above that has expressed doubt of one ever "falling apart" except through complete misuse by the owner.

I've ordered a Gator Frameworks Heavy-duty Keyboard Table as discussed above, purely from a pricing standpoint. It's a solid piece of kit and packs up amazingly compact (and the built-in level is a great addition!).
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#2955511 - 10/30/18 03:55 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Sven Golly]
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The K&M 18880 is a great stand. I use it with the 18881 extension, and itís been rock solid despite heavy bar band abuse - no durability issues whatsoever (so far).
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#2955531 - 10/30/18 05:55 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Noah B]
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I'll just add that, while I do love the K&M 18810 Omega, I find myself leaving it home often and bringing another table stand, which is less sturdy but easier to fold. But if I need two keyboards, I always bring the 18810 and the attachment for second tier.

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#2955544 - 10/30/18 06:40 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: cedar]
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With the Gator stand, do the legs sit at 90 degrees from the ground/board? The OnStage one I have is almost identical, except that the legs swing a bit further out, which helps prevent any tipping.
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#2955561 - 10/30/18 09:18 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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Originally Posted By: Spider76
Originally Posted By: El Lobo
I think the K&M 18950 is the stand I had before the Gator. Expensive, unstable, and it fell apart.


?!?!?!?

I can't imagine of any way to make the 18950 wobble a single millimiter.
Maybe running a bulldozer over it, but not sure.


This.

If ever there was a stand that epitomised the phrase "built like a tank" it's the 18950. I hear folks in the military actually prefer the phrase "built like a K&M 18950", such is the rigidity of this thing.

There's also the 18953, which is based on a similar design, but a little less deep. I gather the 18953 can also go a little lower than the 18950, but I have never seen one in person to verify this.

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#2955566 - 10/30/18 10:09 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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With the Gator stand, do the legs sit at 90 degrees from the ground/board? The OnStage one I have is almost identical, except that the legs swing a bit further out, which helps prevent any tipping.
The legs of the Gator stand go further out than 90 degrees.

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#2955568 - 10/30/18 10:17 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: El Lobo]
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Thanks. The Amazon pictures wouldn't let on.
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#2955580 - 10/31/18 03:18 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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[quote=El Lobo]

I also have the Omega. It's also rock solid despite the single legs, has space for any pedalboard (like the 18950) and looks great. Only thing, it's cumbersome to set up-tear down. You have to unscrew some bars, and those pieces of metals are BIG.
If you have a big van where you can throw it assembled, or you're going to keep it in the studio, no issue at all.



I think that you're doing it wrong! To break mine down, I slide out the two legs, turn them 90 degrees, and slide them back in again. This allows the stand to lie in the boot (trunk) of my medium sized car on top of all the other gear. Takes about 30 seconds!
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#2955809 - 11/01/18 05:03 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Six-string-man]
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I think that you're doing it wrong! To break mine down, I slide out the two legs, turn them 90 degrees, and slide them back in again. This allows the stand to lie in the boot (trunk) of my medium sized car on top of all the other gear. Takes about 30 seconds!


Yes I know, still the upper arms that support the keyboard have to be unscrewed /rescrewed removing and reassembling small parts that are easily lost. And still even if it finally folds flat, it's bigger than any other stand (actually, bigger than any other piece of equipment in my van, keyboard included!).

Again, it's not difficult and it doesn't take hours, but as part of a small and quick setup/teardown rig, it's less practical than most other stands.

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#2955826 - 11/01/18 07:11 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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One of the first things I did with the Omega is switch out the little knob and washers with knobs similar to these:

Replacement knobs

Note, these are not the correct size thread. I just went down and picked mine up from the hardware store.

They are larger and easer to hold/spin, making it easier to spin on and off, and eliminate the need for the washer that will surely get lost!

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#2955835 - 11/01/18 07:40 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: FJR]
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I am using OnStage platform stands they do the job. My only issue with the Omega is I don't see a way to add a second tier. The onstage stand has options for a second tier, mic or music stand and a laptop option. Not more than one of these though. Does the Gator have the ability to use these? Because the Gator does look more solid.

The OnStage I'm always afraid that if the legs aren't spread out as far as possible the thing will collapse. And I'm afraid someone bumping the side of it will make the other end fold and collapse.


Edited by Tombstone88 (11/01/18 07:41 AM)
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#2955836 - 11/01/18 07:44 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Toano88]
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My only issue with the Omega is I don't see a way to add a second tier. The onstage stand has options for a second tier
K&M gives lots of add on options for the Omega.
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#2955901 - 11/01/18 12:16 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Michael Wright]
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Thanks! I was not aware of that.
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#2955903 - 11/01/18 12:27 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Toano88]
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This one is a bit heavy (23 lbs) but easy to fold and move and has been a workhorse for years for me, comes with a 2nd tier if you want it! Very solid base, most of the weight is there and it's rock steady! Very Solid!

Quik-Lok M-91 Monolith:




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#2955909 - 11/01/18 12:52 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Toano88]
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Thanks! I was not aware of that.

You are very welcome!
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#2955987 - 11/02/18 03:33 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Michael Wright]
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I used to have tables, and they worked fine. Only thing is, they were kind of a drag to setup and break down. Compared to an X or Z stand they're a lot slower to setup. Once you get used to a column, you can setup a column faster than a table too, but those are slower. But I was never able to get very fast with the table, and you spend way too much time with it upside down putting the legs in the right place.

Though that new K&M looks like it would be pretty slick. Never-the-less, I'm absolutely addicted to my Spider.
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#2956053 - 11/02/18 08:42 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: EricBarker]
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I mentioned that, while I love my K&M stand, I often bring a different stand that is easier to collapse. This is the stand I was referring to.

Takes about 10 seconds to fold and unfold. It's not nearly as sturdy as the Omega, but is fine when I just need one keyboard and want to minimize the schlep factor.

https://on-stage.com/products/view/11650


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#2956064 - 11/02/18 09:45 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: cedar]
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^ Yep, that's the one I have. I've found it's sturdy enough for most gigs. It gets a little dicey when you're on risers and the horn section decides to start jumping, but hey, what can you do...
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#2956066 - 11/02/18 09:51 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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I think that you're doing it wrong! To break mine down, I slide out the two legs, turn them 90 degrees, and slide them back in again. This allows the stand to lie in the boot (trunk) of my medium sized car on top of all the other gear. Takes about 30 seconds!


Yes I know, still the upper arms that support the keyboard have to be unscrewed /rescrewed removing and reassembling small parts that are easily lost. And still even if it finally folds flat, it's bigger than any other stand (actually, bigger than any other piece of equipment in my van, keyboard included!).

Again, it's not difficult and it doesn't take hours, but as part of a small and quick setup/teardown rig, it's less practical than most other stands.




Ah! I leave the keyboard supporting arms attached, it's much quicker, and I find it doesn't take up THAT much extra space.
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#2956071 - 11/02/18 10:13 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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^ Yep, that's the one I have. I've found it's sturdy enough for most gigs. It gets a little dicey when you're on risers and the horn section decides to start jumping, but hey, what can you do...


Right. I'd hesitate to rely on that stand in more vigorous situations, but it's great for the quickie, cocktail-hour type gig, when only a light rig is needed. Nothing I've found sets up or breaks down faster.

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#2956072 - 11/02/18 10:16 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: cedar]
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My budget inclines me to set up wide and hold on for dear life when that happens smile

But yeah, quick set up and tear down, plus the usual spacial benefits for your feet/pedals are the biggest plusses for me.
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#2956075 - 11/02/18 10:24 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Consensus on table style stand


....apparently, no.

But at least it's been narrowed down to Quick-Loc, K&M, On-Stage, and Gator, which rules out all of the brands that don't exist.
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#2956080 - 11/02/18 10:41 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: J. Dan]
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Consensus on table style stand


....apparently, no.

But at least it's been narrowed down to Quik-Lok, K&M, On-Stage, and Gator Frameworks, which rules out all of the brands that don't exist.


Fixed, since you're being pedantic. wink
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#2956097 - 11/02/18 12:30 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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I bought one of these. A word of warning to anyone else who did - don't lose the screws. The local hardware store couldn't find a replacement and said my best bet was to have the holes re-tapped. Assuming the helpful hardware man was right, why would a company do this?

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#2956099 - 11/02/18 12:38 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: delmar]
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I bought one of these. A word of warning to anyone else who did - don't lose the screws. The local hardware store couldn't find a replacement and said my best bet was to have the holes re-tapped. Assuming the helpful hardware man was right, why would a company do this?


Your hardware man is incompetent. Those screws are metric. Find a better store that stocks them.

Since I no longer alter the width/height of my K&M, I opted for allen head screws and locked them down tight.

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#2956101 - 11/02/18 12:42 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: delmar]
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Originally Posted By: delmar
I bought one of these. A word of warning to anyone else who did - don't lose the screws. The local hardware store couldn't find a replacement and said my best bet was to have the holes re-tapped. Assuming the helpful hardware man was right, why would a company do this?
On occasion a manufacturer may source some specialized custom fasteners, but usually they are an ASTM standard, available somewhere. I frequent an industrial supply business that has/can get just about anything.
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#2956106 - 11/02/18 01:45 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Michael Wright]
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Originally Posted By: Michael Wright
Originally Posted By: delmar
I bought one of these. A word of warning to anyone else who did - don't lose the screws. The local hardware store couldn't find a replacement and said my best bet was to have the holes re-tapped. Assuming the helpful hardware man was right, why would a company do this?
On occasion a manufacturer may source some specialized custom fasteners, but usually they are an ASTM standard, available somewhere. I frequent an industrial supply business that has/can get just about anything.


Fastenal is in just about every major city and can get (and probably stocks) just about any fastener you would ever need.
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#2956114 - 11/02/18 02:35 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: J. Dan]
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It's not the schlep factor, or the folding, it's the height adjustment that's a pain. With standard table stands, you have to make 4 leg adjustments each time you setup and break down. Most other kinds of stands, once you figure out your standard settings, you can make adjustments to get back to that really quickly. Table stands never get any faster to setup.
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#2956153 - 11/02/18 10:12 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: EricBarker]
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Originally Posted By: EricBarker
It's not the schlep factor, or the folding, it's the height adjustment that's a pain. With standard table stands, you have to make 4 leg adjustments each time you setup and break down. Most other kinds of stands, once you figure out your standard settings, you can make adjustments to get back to that really quickly. Table stands never get any faster to setup.
One of the reasons I like the Gator Frameworks stand is that the height adjustment uses those spring-loaded knobs that pop through the pre-set holes. (What do you call those things anyway?). So I unfold the legs, pull them out to the setting that I like, and the buttons snap into place and hold the stand at the height I know I want. Takes a few seconds.

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#2956162 - 11/03/18 02:17 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: EricBarker]
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Originally Posted By: EricBarker
...it's the height adjustment that's a pain. With standard table stands, you have to make 4 leg adjustments each time you setup and break down.
...
Table stands never get any faster to setup.


I always leave my 18950 set at the same height, which is ok for playing standing or on a high stool.
To setup/teardown, I just have to fold the legs. Quicker than an X-stand.

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#2956164 - 11/03/18 02:51 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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My Omega is marked with a piece of tape on each leg. Just slide the leg in as far as the tape, and bob's your uncle!
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#2956173 - 11/03/18 05:21 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Six-string-man]
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Just sharing an experience I had with an OnStage KS7150. Someone leaned up against the side of my keyboard once, and the stand nearly collapsed. I was able to stop the impending collapse, but I stopped using the stand after that.
I know it is not so much the fault of the stand as it was the musician who thoughtlessly leaned up against my keyboard, but in tight stage spaces, this can happen. I think it is because the legs are designed to to fold up under the table top, but this design may not be able to withstand force from the side without the legs folding under.

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#2956176 - 11/03/18 06:21 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: unitjazz]
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That has been my fear with mine. The two 'locks' on both side don't actually stop it from folding
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#2956210 - 11/03/18 11:12 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Toano88]
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+1 on the K&M 18950 being the bulletproof option. Mine has seen heavy touring use over the last two years (bouncing around in a semi in a carpet-lined case for about 30k miles total, sometimes getting handled by local stagehands, etc.) and has held up very well. I did design the hardware case for the tour specifically to allow it (and a KS7150 I brought for a spare) to ride flat, which I believe helps avoid undue fatigue on the joints.

I've use the On-Stage KS7150 for about seven years now for gigs and tours where I'm handling my own gear. Its lighter weight means I can fly with it, plus a folding bench and a couple other bits and bobs in a Pelican Air 1615, with the whole package coming in under 50lbs, which occasionally comes in handy for self-contained one-keyboard fly dates where there's not enough budget to rent anything. I've posted before here about a slight adaptation of the famous "tonysounds" WS-550 mod that I've used for a nice tight two-tier setup with a Nord Stage 2 above various slab pianos (Yamaha P95, Kawai ES110). That setup is still working great, though it requires a little light woodworking to put together.

Re: susceptibility of the KS7150 to collapse when encountering significant sideways forces (e.g. leaning bandmates), I always use it seated at the lowest height, and am always careful to pull the legs as far apart as they'll go once my board is set on it. It feels fairly stable to me even with rather hamfisted organ glisses on the top manual. More thoughts on the KS7150 at the above link. I still feel the same way about it.

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#2956272 - 11/03/18 09:30 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Spider76]
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Originally Posted By: Spider76
I always leave my 18950 set at the same height, which is ok for playing standing or on a high stool.
To setup/teardown, I just have to fold the legs. Quicker than an X-stand.

That's cool. Most tables I've used won't fold up with the legs extended. I've always seen this as an unfortunate design limitation. Glad at least someone figured out how to get around this.
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#2956480 - 11/05/18 08:57 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: cedar]
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Originally Posted By: cedar
I mentioned that, while I love my K&M stand, I often bring a different stand that is easier to collapse. This is the stand I was referring to.

Takes about 10 seconds to fold and unfold. It's not nearly as sturdy as the Omega, but is fine when I just need one keyboard and want to minimize the schlep factor.

https://on-stage.com/products/view/11650



Thatís what Iíve been using for single keyboard gigs for 8 years now. Easy and sturdy, plus you can transport them on a Rock Ďn Roller-type convertible hand truck vertically, as the legs clear each side. Advice: use some medium grip thread lock on the screw-in feet. Normal car vibration loosens them.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/4...ard.html?sts=pi

You can add a second tier:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/3...ageID/accessory

Or you can add a microphone mount, like I do, but not both:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1...ageID/accessory

$14 is pretty cheap.
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#2956483 - 11/05/18 09:08 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Noah B]
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Anyone using the Omega in the studio, semi permanently?
Looking for a table top solution for my Mini-Korg...
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#2956813 - 11/07/18 09:48 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: unitjazz]
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Originally Posted By: unitjazz
Someone leaned up against the side of my keyboard once, and the stand nearly collapsed.


Ever had a dancer back into your mic stand and drive a 58 into your teeth? Good times.

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#2956817 - 11/07/18 10:27 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: DanS]
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Originally Posted By: DanS
Anyone using the Omega in the studio, semi permanently?
Looking for a table top solution for my Mini-Korg...


This probably doesn't help you, but I'm 'preparing' to start using mine. I'm re-doing my setup, switching to one - 88 key board. I like the attachment for the mic, and use it for my music stand on another gig (that I don't sing and need a stand).

Like I said before, I changed the knobs out with bigger, round knobs, that eliminate the need for washers and are easier to spin on and off (and since they are cheap, I bought a couple of extras, just in case...). It takes me a couple of min to change from 'stow-able' to setup.

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#2956819 - 11/07/18 10:41 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: FJR]
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I use this one at home. It's lightweight, adjustable, setup/teardown is super quick, and when I'm not using it, it hangs on a bracket on the wall. Downside is that it's only single tier.

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#2956828 - 11/07/18 11:47 AM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: delmar]
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Originally Posted By: delmar
Originally Posted By: unitjazz
Someone leaned up against the side of my keyboard once, and the stand nearly collapsed.


Ever had a dancer back into your mic stand and drive a 58 into your teeth? Good times.


No but I've had a dancer goose me while I was singing into a 58. The whole place heard me...

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#2956836 - 11/07/18 01:08 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
I use this one at home. It's lightweight, adjustable, setup/teardown is super quick, and when I'm not using it, it hangs on a bracket on the wall. Downside is that it's only single tier.



Big advantage gigging on the road! If it fails there is a spare in your hotel room! cool

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#2956841 - 11/07/18 01:56 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: unitjazz]
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Originally Posted By: unitjazz
Someone leaned up against the side of my keyboard once, and the stand nearly collapsed.

Originally Posted By: Toano88
That has been my fear with mine. The two 'locks' on both side don't actually stop it from folding

I've used a bar running across the underside of the stand, resting on top of the horizontal pieces on each of the leg assemblies, with a couple screws stuck in the bar to wedge the bar in place with the legs at maximum spread (and the bar then tied to the legs with a couple tie wraps). Sorry i don't have a picture, but i hope you can get it from the description.

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#2956842 - 11/07/18 02:00 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
I use this one at home. It's lightweight, adjustable, setup/teardown is super quick, and when I'm not using it, it hangs on a bracket on the wall. Downside is that it's only single tier.



So should I use an OnStage or K&M X-stand to press my shirts and pants?

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#2956873 - 11/07/18 08:06 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: J. Dan]
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Originally Posted By: J. Dan
I use this one at home. It's lightweight, adjustable, setup/teardown is super quick, and when I'm not using it, it hangs on a bracket on the wall. Downside is that it's only single tier.



That's an X-stand. cop
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#2956877 - 11/07/18 08:17 PM Re: Consensus on table style stands [Re: Polkahero]
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Originally Posted By: Polkahero

That's an X-stand. cop


It has a table top. X-stands don't have a top, just bars.
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