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What Do You Call This Chord? #2952498
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I was looking at the keyboard part of the Buddy Rich big band tune Funk City-ola (Meas. 3 I think if anyone has the chart). The song is in the key of D.

(from L to R): D - G - C - Eb - F# - B - D

So D sus add b9 and 13th?


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D7 alt

Great voicing, though.

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Bm/Cm/D ?
D13b9 add11 ?

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Originally Posted By: woodtus

D13b9 add11 ?


I'd go with this. Curious what everyone else thinks. The G throws it.


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D13b9 add11 ..I 2nd that motion


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+1. Otherwise, if you try calling it a sus chord instead, then what do you do with the F#?


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Well, it certainly sounds like it wants to pull to a Gmaj7, which makes it function as a Vsus chord, but if the song is in D that doesn't seem quite right. What is the bass playing at that point?


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B-/Dsus b9

that means Upper Structure triad Bmi over a D7sus b9 voicing
per Jazz Theory


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I was headed down the B-family route as well. I think it's a vi or VI heading to a ii (Em9).


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B C D Eb F# G?
That's a clusterf--- chord

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If I wanted to use a symbol instead of notation and didn't want anyone to have to ask questions I'd write Bm/Cm and give the D to the bass player...but still they might play it too low and muddy. Gonna have to yell at the band again, Buddy.

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Originally Posted By: El Lobo
B C D Eb F# G?
That's a clusterf--- chord


a cluster f is when the generals high enough to have a gold leaf-cluster on their uniforms decided the fate of enlisted men by sending them the front...

this is more like a cluster-date or cluster-buster or something almost witty like that, just saying . . ! sick

I like Linwood's take... just write it out and call it a ham sandwich for the ears (hold the mayo). Academia is important of course but not when your actually playing the chord . . smile twothumbs

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Curious...I don't know the tune, never heard it, but is anything on F and Bb above...like trumpets right there in the chart?

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Here's an mp3 of that measure ... big-time D13sussiness. Horns are on B - G - D.

Bass is on D.

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Originally Posted By: Math&Music
+1. Otherwise, if you try calling it a sus chord instead, then what do you do with the F#?

Seems like I've seen this type of chord written with "(add10)", like "D7sus(add10)", where the fourth is low and the third is an octave higher. Kind of reflects the fact that it has a fundamentally sus sound to it, whereas "D7(add11)" doesn't.

So on that logic, the chord here might be called D13susb9(add10), but way better to just score it out rather than rely on a weird chord symbol.


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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
B-/Dsus b9

that means Upper Structure triad Bmi over a D7sus b9 voicing
per Jazz Theory

As a polychord, this is probably the easiest way to describe and build it.

Personally, I would steer away from calling it "add11" because this changes the color. Instead, add 4 could work. This is assuming D is the actual root. If we're going to be really picky about giving it a single name and respect the actual voicing...

(from L to R): D - G - C - Eb - F# - B - D

...then we could call it D13sus4(b9add10). This is not so unusual. In the end, it will sound like an altered chord with a sus feel to it. There are plenty of these chord types out there. A simple example is C-F-G-C-E. Csus4(add10).

...looks like Mike beat me to it smile

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Thanks much!

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+1. Otherwise, if you try calling it a sus chord instead, then what do you do with the F#?

Seems like I've seen this type of chord written with "(add10)", like "D7sus(add10)", where the fourth is low and the third is an octave higher. Kind of reflects the fact that it has a fundamentally sus sound to it, whereas "D7(add11)" doesn't.

So on that logic, the chord here might be called D13susb9(add10), but way better to just score it out rather than rely on a weird chord symbol.


Or perhaps D13susb9(b11)?


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+1. Otherwise, if you try calling it a sus chord instead, then what do you do with the F#?

Seems like I've seen this type of chord written with "(add10)", like "D7sus(add10)", where the fourth is low and the third is an octave higher. Kind of reflects the fact that it has a fundamentally sus sound to it, whereas "D7(add11)" doesn't.

So on that logic, the chord here might be called D13susb9(add10), but way better to just score it out rather than rely on a weird chord symbol.


Or perhaps D13susb9(b11)?


In fact, in the version I saw online, that's actually how the chord is scored ... not with an F# up there, but rather a Gb!


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If this is the horn parts condenced into a piano part, I would only use it as a guide to what is going on. A big band with trumpets, trombones, saxes, and a bass guitar is a very different from a piano, and the voicing would not work the same. It's hard to make this kind of harmonical "statement" on a single instrument, because of all the overtones in play, while you can't use tonal quality to separate the notes. But I would agree with seeing this as a D13b9add11 chord. With the G most likely being there because it's anticipating the tonic.

Chord symbols in a big band piano part are often based on the horn arrangement. If the horns play block chords, it doesn't make much sense for the piano to follow them. And if the chord are as complex as this one, I would consider simplyfing the chord. Basically this is not a piano chord, it's a big band chord. At least in a big band setting, but if you are playing solo grand piano with good acoustics, you can do weird and wonderful things.

Chord symbols used as to instruct the rhytm section or pianist/guitarist what to play is a completely different thing than trying to use chord symbols to describe something that's already written out. And big band charts and parts are really a mixed bag when it comes to that. The same goes for bass lines, most bass lines written in the piano part are meant as a guide, not to be played. Except when they are not. Etc. Use your experience and best judgement, basically

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The G throws it.


That G bugs me too. Doesn't help that I can't hear the G either in the recording confused
Could it be a transcription error?


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The score, edited by Bob Lowden, based on the "Class of 78" LP has the guitar playing A9sus add 6 there. Bass is playing an A. Piano has BC:A TC:G D F# B


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Whoops, Iím looking at the wrong bar. Back in a bit smile


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I was just playing Gymnopedie #1 by Satie and enjoyed the E7 sus b9 chord he uses in the coda. Check it out if you are unfamiliar with V7 as a "sus b9" (coincidentally it's the same notes as 2nd mode of melodic minor)

If you were to play a C#- triad over that E7 sus b9 you would have the same chord as in the OP. However, it would be totally miscast in Gymnopedie. It's not a pretty chord.

Coda of Gymnopedie 1 : the E7 sus b9 is acting as a V of A-

|| E7 sus b9 | E7 sus b9 | A-/E | D-/E | E7 sus b9 | A-7 | D- || Fine

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It's bar 3 ...

key signature D major, piano part:



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