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#2951608 - 10/05/18 03:09 PM my new music room
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Just had to share. Today we began moving instruments into what used to be a family room. Very happy with the potential. Once I have some sessions, I will consider whether or not to put some acoustic treatments. I believe that the shuttered windows will help. Not pictured is a bookshelf that I also think will do some good. But I assume I will have to do something about the large wall. I've heard different opinions whether anything will be needed on the ceiling.

Also not pictured: if one is seated at the piano and looking across the room, there is a little nook where a tv and stereo equipment are. I plan to buy a couple of swivel chairs, so that people can occasionally watch a video or just relax. In other words, the chairs would be able to face the tv or face the piano.






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#2951609 - 10/05/18 03:22 PM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Nice! like
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#2951613 - 10/05/18 03:41 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Michael Fright]
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I think book cases (full of books) actually work better than wall treatments, they look better and are probably cheaper. Plus you can use them to hold gear.

That's too nice of a room to put ugly wall foam on. Plus you got a lot of space so the extra couple of inches that a bookcase takes up won't cram you.
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#2951617 - 10/05/18 03:48 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Iconoclast]
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Originally Posted By: Iconoclast
I... Plus you can use them to hold gear.

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And music books. smile
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#2951631 - 10/05/18 05:10 PM Re: my new music room [Re: RABid]
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you guys with first level rooms are so lucky. all the natural light! Having been banished to the basement for my home studio thatís the first thing i always notice
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#2951633 - 10/05/18 05:29 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Mogut]
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Cedar, itís beautiful. Congrats!
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#2951639 - 10/05/18 06:29 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Al Quinn]
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Very nice indeed!
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#2951641 - 10/05/18 07:15 PM Re: my new music room [Re: nursers]
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Really nice, congrats !

There's nothing like having your own dedicated space for the piano and having people over to play.

I never take it for granted, what I have and am able to practice on every day. Very blessed.

I have a floor to ceiling bookcase right in back of me that definitely adds some diffusion for the piano.
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#2951645 - 10/05/18 07:44 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Great room Cedar, enjoy. Can you let us know what stand you have undythe Mojo? Nice leg room under there. Joe
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#2951648 - 10/05/18 08:22 PM Re: my new music room [Re: jpgxk3]
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Crazy stunning!!!! I live it....What model is the Piano?
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#2951671 - 10/06/18 02:36 AM Re: my new music room [Re: jpgxk3]
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Looks to me like a K&M 18880. Not cheap, but light-ish and very solid. I have one (with stack extensions) that holds a Mojo 61 and a Kronos 61. Highly recommended.
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#2951676 - 10/06/18 04:22 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Six-string-man]
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Originally Posted By: Six-string-man
Looks to me like a K&M 18880. Not cheap, but light-ish and very solid. I have one (with stack extensions) that holds a Mojo 61 and a Kronos 61. Highly recommended.


Yep, that's the one. I also highly recommend it. My favorite stand.

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#2951677 - 10/06/18 04:23 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Quai34]
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Originally Posted By: Quai34
Crazy stunning!!!! I live it....What model is the Piano?


Story and Clark.

And thanks for the nice words, all.

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#2951703 - 10/06/18 07:29 AM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Excellent environment. I'd love to have a room like that. thu
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#2951704 - 10/06/18 07:54 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Synthoid]
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Cedar, what model piano is that?
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#2951710 - 10/06/18 08:54 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Mogut]
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Beautiful space and arrangement Jim. Congrats and enjoy!

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#2951908 - 10/08/18 06:09 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Mogut]
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Originally Posted By: Mogut
Cedar, what model piano is that?


Asking about the baby grand? That is a Story and Clark. According to the info on the bottom, the Model is 165C.

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#2951912 - 10/08/18 06:40 AM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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That is like a dream. I hope I can have a space like that of my own someday!
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#2951914 - 10/08/18 06:40 AM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Originally Posted By: cedar
Originally Posted By: Mogut
Cedar, what model piano is that?


Asking about the baby grand? That is a Story and Clark. According to the info on the bottom, the Model is 165C.


Is it a "made by yamaha" model Story and clark?
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#2951917 - 10/08/18 06:47 AM Re: my new music room [Re: Mogut]
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The question about the model prompted me to look at the Story& Clark website for more info. I couldn't identify the piano on the website (perhaps because my piano is too old), so just now emailed them for more info.

I have no idea whether it was "made by Yamaha" or not.

Until this last week, this piano resided in my living room. Perhaps because that room was very bright, I always found the piano was too loud and lacked some warmth. As I hoped, in the new music room - which is carpeted - the piano sounds a bit warmer.

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#2952003 - 10/08/18 02:20 PM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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I have a specific but related question, so I'll pile on here (pun intended, as you'll see!) grin

We just moved and I successfully fended off wife and kids to grab the office for my own--muhuhahahah! Like the rest of the house though, it's tile and very live...too live.

Long story short, I'm getting an area rug for it and was wondering how much impact this will have on reducing the sound bounce in the room. I would guess quite a bit. Should I be getting a thicker/longer pile carpet, or will a thinner one also help? I tend to like the thinner oriental-style carpets looks-wise, and of course thicker rugs can be VERY expensive. It will be anchored on several sides so having it slide around isn't the worry that you normally have with thinner rugs.


Edited by Stokely (10/08/18 02:21 PM)

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#2952004 - 10/08/18 02:26 PM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Cool Cedar! Nice and open too. :-) And walk-out doors...
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#2952190 - 10/09/18 02:42 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Murky Musty Moth]
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So here is the response I got from Story and Clark about the model of the piano:

"The only information we have regarding the older Story & Clark pianos is the year it was manufactured according to the serial number. The serial number you provided, 29695, indicates this piano was manufactured in 1910."

Hard to believe they couldn't provide more information, but there it is.

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#2952194 - 10/09/18 02:57 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Cedar, itís beautiful. Congrats!


My whole life, not sure what degree my fault, this kind of idyllic room was denied me.
I have only happiness to see that SOMEONE has this. Good on you.

Were you asking about acoustic treatment for recording aims or just to improve the playing in the room for its own sake or both?
The more you guys play, you will get used to the acoustics as they are.
Make sure the drummer and bass player are not overpowering in volume.
Although I know an overpowering drummer who played in the big leagues, so I guess you have to weigh their talent, with the decibel levels, and its net effect on your personal expression.
Compare Bill Evans and one of his drummers
with Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, Art Blakey and their pianists!!


Edited by I-missRichardTee (10/09/18 02:59 PM)
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#2952196 - 10/09/18 03:01 PM Re: my new music room [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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Originally Posted By: I-missRichardTee

Were you asking about acoustic treatment for recording aims or just to improve the playing in the room for its own sake or both?


Both. Initially, I'm satisfied if the room is just pleasant for playing. But hoping that it will gradually morph into a room capable of pretty good recordings.

I'm in no rush to install any treatments. Even since starting this thread, we've been adding some things to the room (bookcases, chairs with cushions), and I believe the sound has been impacted. To my ears, the sound of the piano alone has improved. But the first session is happening in a couple of days, and I'll be real interested to see how the room reacts to several musicians.

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#2952240 - 10/09/18 05:31 PM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Originally Posted By: cedar
So here is the response I got from Story and Clark about the model of the piano:

"The only information we have regarding the older Story & Clark pianos is the year it was manufactured according to the serial number. The serial number you provided, 29695, indicates this piano was manufactured in 1910."

Hard to believe they couldn't provide more information, but there it is.



holy shnikeys thats old
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#2952383 - 10/10/18 11:49 AM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Originally Posted By: cedar
So here is the response I got from Story and Clark about the model of the piano:

"The only information we have regarding the older Story & Clark pianos is the year it was manufactured according to the serial number. The serial number you provided, 29695, indicates this piano was manufactured in 1910."

Hard to believe they couldn't provide more information, but there it is.

I've never looked up Story & Clark's history but it is a bit different than I expected. Many of the old names in acoustic pianos nowadays are "stencils," meaning, it might have an American-looking name, perhaps even one that used to build pianos here in the U.S., but they're just names now owned by a foreign manufacturer that is usually Asian, often Chinese.

While it appears that modern Story & Clark pianos are not built in the U.S., it is owned by an American company, QRS Music Technologies.

more here
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#2952761 - 10/12/18 02:53 PM Re: my new music room [Re: Bone Muskeleton]
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I had to get my grand piano serviced today, and told him the anecdote from Story and Clark. The guy laughed and said my piano was obviously built about 20 years ago (which is consistent with my memory). Whoever answered the email simply made a mistake.

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#2952764 - 10/12/18 03:09 PM Re: my new music room [Re: cedar]
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Serial numbers can get all jacked up when names change hands, manufacturing changes, etc. When I replied I didn't realize that you thought it was newer than the 1910 estimate though it doesn't look that old unless someone had rebuilt it.

I also forgot that you said the model number was 165C. That doesn't seem like a model number from the early 20th century. It might mean that it's 65 inches long. They didn't use the metric system very much in the U.S. back then.
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