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#2950533 - 09/28/18 04:09 PM Marty Balin . . .
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This one really hurts . . .

R.I.P. Marty Balin
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#2950538 - 09/28/18 04:49 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Rest in Peace Marty...
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#2950559 - 09/28/18 08:53 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Larryz]
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We still do White Rabbit at every opportunity.....
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#2950572 - 09/29/18 01:04 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Bluesape]
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He was the "good guy" in the group. Not necessarily the most talented or prolific, but the only one I'd feel comfortable hanging with. I don't want to go into more detail than that at the moment, but others may recall that Kantner's death was the only time in my life that I felt compelled to say something negative instead of positive. And at the time, I was thankful that Balin was still alive.

I am sorry his final days were so rough. He was a good soul and was wise to leave the Jefferson Airplane Starship Enterprise at the times that he did. And though I usually dislike soft rock, "Miracles" may well be the best example of that genre ever, and probably the overall highlight of Balin's songwriting career. It's one of those songs where resistance is futile.


Edited by Mark Schmieder (09/29/18 01:05 AM)
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#2950586 - 09/29/18 04:42 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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That is a bummer.

Rest easy, Brother.
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#2950753 - 09/30/18 02:34 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: whitefang]
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RIP Marty. Another one passes on.

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#2950836 - 10/01/18 06:16 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: bbqbob]
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Sad news-I didn`t especially latch on to `Miracles` but I knew his overall importance to the group. RIP Mr. Balin


Edited by skipclone 1 (10/01/18 06:17 AM)
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#2950916 - 10/01/18 12:15 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
He was the "good guy" in the group. Not necessarily the most talented or prolific...

Actually that band never would've existed if not for Balin.
Nor would several of its later versions.
Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
...though I usually dislike soft rock, "Miracles" may well be the best example of that genre ever, and probably the overall highlight of Balin's songwriting career. It's one of those songs where resistance is futile.
My reading tells me he was the orig choice for vocalist in Journey---wonder why ?

On the topis of Balin's integrity: he was the only person at the Altamount debacle who tried to do anything abt what was happening & suffered the consequences.
The ultrahip Dead (sponsors of the Angels as security) showed up & chickened out; the Stones offered nothing but Jagger's fake flower-child pose (although Keith Richards spoke out, he stayed well within the safety of his spot on stage).

On the topic of Balin's artistry....
Love was his message more than most of his contemporaries.
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#2950934 - 10/01/18 02:04 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: d]
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Exactly. Don't get me started on the hippies, who I refer to as the hippiecrits. Balin walked the walk, and I judge people by their deeds.
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#2950947 - 10/01/18 03:12 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I heard "Miracles" all through my childhood... along with "With Your Love," "Count On Me," and "Runaway."

My mom brought home a single in the early '70s that she heard on the radio and instantly loved, called "Hearts"... she was surprised when I said "that's the guy from Jefferson Starship!" but then thought about those songs and realized it fit...

I think he was a folk-jazz singer who ultimately wanted to be like Tony Bennet or something but ended up in a rock band...

I remember reading an interview around the time of "Hearts" where he said he quit Jefferson Airplane because they were all into drugs and Janis Joplin died and that left a bad taste in his mouth... and he just woke up one morning and thought "I don't want to do this kind of music, anymore, and I don't want to be around people using cocaine" so he just stopped responding to the band. When they'd calmed down he went back for the JS years.

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#2950949 - 10/01/18 03:22 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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I was watching this the other day when someone posted it with a notice of his passing, and chaffing at the lead guitarist's grating "chugs" disrupting the song throughout... a lesson in there I'll remember.


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#2950950 - 10/01/18 03:26 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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It would be interesting to hear what Craig Chaquico, who always played clean and jazzy when it was called for, would do on that song...

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#2951012 - 10/02/18 04:50 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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Uh, yeah, p90-----

But...."Hearts" was released in 1981, which would make it REALLY the "late" '70s! wink
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#2951028 - 10/02/18 06:36 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
Uh, yeah, p90-----

But...."Hearts" was released in 1981, which would make it REALLY the "late" '70s! wink
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ha... I meant to type "early 80s." The hazards of multi-tasking!!!

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#2951160 - 10/03/18 04:30 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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Personally, I'd prefer that as an excuse or reason rather than (in my case) the more truthful "senior moment". wink
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#2951330 - 10/04/18 02:07 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
It would be interesting to hear what Craig Chaquico, who always played clean and jazzy when it was called for, would do on that song...


Indeed, Mr. Chaquico later went into the `smooth jazz` field and is still there as far as I know.
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#2951490 - 10/05/18 04:11 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: skipclone 1]
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Meh:

I usually place "smooth jazz" in the same basket I put "soft rock" into, which I too, usually referred to what Starship was doing. And I call that basket, "The reason I quit taking elevators" wink or, "Why I switched dentists."
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#2951544 - 10/05/18 09:27 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: whitefang]
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I'm a man of many moods and tastes... and as a young trumpeter I loved Chuck Mangione (though Grant Geissman is who really caught my ear) and Herb Alpert (smooth late 70s/early 80s-era)... I grew up on the mid-to-late 70s pop radio soft rock, which has made a comeback with the "kids" now under the name of "Yacht Rock," based on a hilarious internet series that did a fake behind the scenes kind of thing...

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#2951630 - 10/05/18 05:06 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: whitefang]
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That is one oversize basket, from my view-smooth jazz includes a lot of tepid covers that make you want to hang up and try calling your ears again. Soft rock can still produce some original music-I like some of what Tears for Fears and more recently Coldplay did. Goo Goo Dolls rocked hard early on, but their mellower songs were more popular.
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#2951642 - 10/05/18 07:16 PM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: skipclone 1]
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One of my favorite bands of the past few years is The War On Drugs, who I consider modern adult contemporary... like a modern day Gerry Rafferty or something. I'm sure you could file Wilco and others in there, too.

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#2951681 - 10/06/18 04:43 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: p90jr]
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Originally Posted By: p90jr
I'm a man of many moods and tastes... and as a young trumpeter I loved Chuck Mangione (though Grant Geissman is who really caught my ear) and Herb Alpert (smooth late 70s/early 80s-era)... I grew up on the mid-to-late 70s pop radio soft rock, which has made a comeback with the "kids" now under the name of "Yacht Rock," based on a hilarious internet series that did a fake behind the scenes kind of thing...

(NSFW Language)
Yacht Rock Episode 1: "What A Fool Believes"


laugh
Seems I've seen that somewhere before but must've put it out of my mind. There too, is the thing in which one artist's or band's "genre" gets a name change in spite of them not changing what they play and how they play it. One example would be The Paul Winter Consort, which without changing ANYTHING, went from being an "Avant-Garde" type ensemble to(in the '80's) being regarded as a "New Age" band. idk Actually, I used to laugh at all that Wyndham Hill "New Age" stuff, calling it instead, "Old Age" music, ideal for nap time. grin

Not all of it is really all that bad mind you, and of course, it IS a matter of individual taste.
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#2951711 - 10/06/18 08:56 AM Re: Marty Balin . . . [Re: whitefang]
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I never understand the judgement of music by genre.
While that can be a handy way to suggest how something fits in, the fact is that all music styles have good & bad examples.

Back to the main subject here,
2 seemingly contradictory sides of the man.
This one features, in a surprising cameo, Grace "Funky Butt" Slick on that gentle recorder part.


& now, from behind door #2, Salute ! wave
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