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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Caevan O'Shite] #2949334
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I love the ebony fretboard on my Godin Icon and the maple on my American Strat. The rest of my guitars have rosewood which works for me also. There's an interesting full page Taylor add in the latest Guitar Player issue regarding woods, particularly ebony.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Delta] #2950364
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Anybody out there played on a Ritchlite fretboard? Made from recycled materials. Supposedly similar to Ebony.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Delta] #2950423
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Except for a few short minutes in a store, I never really played too much on any guitar made of, or with, composite materials( and except for that all plastic EMENEE I had when I was 12).
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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Caevan O'Shite] #2950433
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I personally applaud the phasing out of rosewood, as there are far too many junk varieties of it out there that are misrepresented as as the good stuff.There will always be the tone argument of one fretboard over another, but modern sound shaping options negate that argument. Hard, glassy feeling woods feel and sound the best to me, as do certain synthetics. The old LP straight into a basic tube amp is a bygone thing.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Bluesape] #2950452
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Originally Posted By: Bluesape
I personally applaud the phasing out of rosewood, as there are far too many junk varieties of it out there that are misrepresented as as the good stuff.There will always be the tone argument of one fretboard over another, but modern sound shaping options negate that argument. Hard, glassy feeling woods feel and sound the best to me, as do certain synthetics. The old LP straight into a basic tube amp is a bygone thing.


Not wanting to disagree but...this reminds me of the SS thread (i.e wanting to find an overdrive pedal that makes an SS amp sound like a tube amp). We forget that not everybody is a ZZ Topper wanting that high volume tube amp overdriven sound. For me, there is no better clean sound than an LP straight into a Fender tube amp with a touch of that famous Fender spring reverb.

Most LP's come in Rosewood as far as fretboard material, but I prefer an Ebony fretboard mostly for looks and feel. Protecting endangered woods is a concept I agree with... cool


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Larryz] #2950468
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Ebony feels best to me, but not so much that I wouldn't ever want to play my rosewood equipped guitars. And one of my past favorites has a carbon fiber fingerboard. It's great, but unfortunately attached to a not great neck.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Larryz] #2950504
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Originally Posted By: Bluesape
I personally applaud the phasing out of rosewood, as there are far too many junk varieties of it out there that are misrepresented as as the good stuff.There will always be the tone argument of one fretboard over another, but modern sound shaping options negate that argument. Hard, glassy feeling woods feel and sound the best to me, as do certain synthetics. The old LP straight into a basic tube amp is a bygone thing.

I largely agree, although I think the reasons for the rosewood ban could be solved by genuine effort to manage the world's resources in a practical way...but...the remarks abt "modern sound shaping" & certain approaches being "a bygone thing" are exactly what I suggested earlier, i.e., the world of music production, as so often in the past & likely the future, moves on. Sometimes it seems sketchy but, to cut to the chase, it is what it is.

There's freedom in being an artist but I've never understood why many find a comfort zone then wonder why the world didn't stop there with 'em.
Most of the music any of us here now like was at one point considered an affront & while that's a bit diff than the tech behind the sounds it's the same mind-set.
Consider if resistance to tape recording or the use of electrical gear had won out in the past. idk
To embrace new developments for what they are is not do disavow the past...but to insist that what was is the Way To Stay is a dead end.
Sooner or later it won't work...and tryna not go forward may even wreck the best way to maintain yer tradition !

Further we've always found ways to recreate sonic elements that we want. There are many examples but I'll just point here to BApe who's a skilled player & largely interested in certain trad styles of music but sees technology for what it is: a tool not a theology.
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Originally Posted By: Bluesape
The old LP straight into a basic tube amp is a bygone thing.


Not wanting to disagree but...this reminds me of the SS thread (i.e wanting to find an overdrive pedal that makes an SS amp sound like a tube amp). We forget that not everybody is a ZZ Topper wanting that high volume tube amp overdriven sound. For me, there is no better clean sound than an LP straight into a Fender tube amp with a touch of that famous Fender spring reverb....

I think that's a great argument but ignores the fact that modern tech for sonics offers both great clean sounds & great ways to manipulate sound (not just distort it) at ever lower costs, which is a bit beyond the basic thread point abt woods but not too much so.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: d / halfnote] #2950518
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I had a Parker Fly for a while, wish I still did. It's fretboard was total composite material, and the frets were glued("bonded" is the word they used) to it.

As I said, I wish I still had it. It played and sounded great.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: picker] #2950549
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@ d, I appreciate the technological advances and I'm glad you can buy a little pedal and get the sound of an overdriven Marshall stack at much lower volume (i.e. verses the LP going straight in that Bluesape brought up). +1 it was a bit OT but I went with the segue as I can hear the beauty of a clean warm tuber over an SS amp. I can't really hear the difference in the fretboard woods, and for me it's more about feel and looks. I prefer Ebony even though I also own some Rosewood and a Maple fretboard.

In the OP Delta, mentioned an article about Taylor guitars and conserving Ebony. Bob Taylor is one of the major owners of some of the last legal Ebony trees allowed for harvesting. He is a pioneer in using all of the wood when a tree is cut down not just the sought after pure black core wood. Many Ebony trees were left to rot as more than one was cut down in order to get the prime black wood and a lot of Ebony was being wasted. Bob makes fretboards using the blonde/black Ebony. That's kind of the story as best I remember it without looking it up...

I couldn't cover all the angles of both stories, but I know I'm not as deaf when it comes to the electric sounds when you plug in a guitar (acoustic or electric) to an amp or PA, as I am with just trying to hear the difference in fretboard materials... cool

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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: picker] #2950563
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Originally Posted By: picker
I had a Parker Fly for a while, wish I still did. It's fretboard was total composite material, and the frets were glued("bonded" is the word they used) to it.

As I said, I wish I still had it. It played and sounded great.


Those are great fretboards, on great necks, on great guitars!


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Caevan O'Shite] #2950571
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Hagstrom fingerboards feel fantastic, and very similar to ebony. As near vas I can tell, it's some sort of compressed composite.


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Re: The end of Rosewood, and the rise of Ebony and Pau Ferro [Re: Caevan O'Shite] #2950650
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
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I had a Parker Fly for a while, wish I still did. It's fretboard was total composite material, and the frets were glued("bonded" is the word they used) to it.

As I said, I wish I still had it. It played and sounded great.


Those are great fretboards, on great necks, on great guitars!


Amen, brother!


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Well, you can plug electrodes into my brain and see which parts light up, and maybe that will bypass anything I can say. I had an all-you-can-play tryout with Parker. It just didn`t connect for me.


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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
I had an all-you-can-play tryout with Parker. It just didn`t connect for me.


I wanted to like it but the upper horn poked me in the chest uncomfortably.


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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
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I had an all-you-can-play tryout with Parker. It just didn`t connect for me.


I wanted to like it but the upper horn poked me in the chest uncomfortably.

Maybe a diff type wood would've lessened the discomfort....


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Originally Posted By: d
Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
I had an all-you-can-play tryout with Parker. It just didn`t connect for me.


I wanted to like it but the upper horn poked me in the chest uncomfortably.

Maybe a diff type wood would've lessened the discomfort....


They were all out of the squishy foam Parkers that day.


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They were all out of the squishy foam Parkers that day.

LMAO!


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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
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[quote=skipclone 1] I had an all-you-can-play tryout with Parker. It just didn`t connect for me.


I wanted to like it but the upper horn poked me in the chest uncomfortably.

Maybe a diff type wood would've lessened the discomfort....


They were all out of the squishy foam Parkers that day. [/quote]
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They were all out of the squishy foam Parkers that day.

LMAO!


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I know that Parker's since come out with other body designs, FWIW...


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