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#2948189 - 09/13/18 09:06 PM Kurzweil midiboard
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I just layed my hands on a kurzweil midiboard..
Why did they ever stop making controllers like this..
Its the perfect studio tool in this age of vst’s..

Anyone else have extended experience with this?
How about reliabillity?

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#2948227 - 09/14/18 05:34 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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The MIDIBoard (mainly designed by Bob Moog when he worked there) is very well regarded 'round these parts.

What version did you get?

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#2948231 - 09/14/18 06:14 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Probably because it weighed close to 100 pounds. Fine in a studio when you're not moving it around.
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#2948232 - 09/14/18 06:21 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Probably because it weighed close to 100 pounds. Fine in a studio when you're not moving it around.


This!
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#2948237 - 09/14/18 06:37 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
The MIDIboard (mainly designed by Bob Moog when he worked there) is very well regarded 'round these parts.

What version did you get?

dB


Okay, good question.. had to look this up..
Took some time..

Software version is 3.0, which is what i asume the latest version
The keys are full wood.. the whole key mechanic was recently restaurated by the previous owner. For a 30 year old keybed, it plays like a charm..

What i don’t understand is that they stopped making these high end multi functional controllers..


I think if they added some encoders and and a set of sliders... some programmable drumpads... it would be a brainless buy for many many studio musicians.. even for live players.. it allready makes me feel like i never wanna go back.. and that after just 2 days..

This is the grand of keyboard controllers.

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#2948244 - 09/14/18 07:00 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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If The Real MC (sorry, never remember people's real names) doesn't see this thread, send him a PM. I remember he owns one and uses it extensively.
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#2948247 - 09/14/18 07:07 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Rod S]
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And if its great keyboard feel wasn't enough for you, the Midiboard also sends polyphonic aftertouch to synths capable of understanding it.

Hal Chamberlin, long since retired from Kurzweil, helped me with the latest EPROMS for mine. Who else does that sort of thing? Amazing!
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#2948252 - 09/14/18 07:24 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
I just layed my hands on a kurzweil midiboard..


You're in good company.

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Why did they ever stop making controllers like this..


Many speculations. When Young Chang acquired KMS, they dropped the MB. I don't know why. Today there isn't a decent MIDI controller to be found anywhere - after separating out the plastic toys, none have a decent MIDI implementation and they don't have the lovely piano action of the MB. A lot of weighted action controllers are too stiff.

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Its the perfect studio tool in this age of vst’s..


Oh yeah, very comprehensive MIDI implementation. I'm still finding new tricks on it. Only thing missing in NRPNs, which came into being after the MB but I have a knob controller for those.

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Anyone else have extended experience with this?
How about reliabillity?


Bought mine new in 1989. Gigged it many times with no failures. It has become an integral part of my studio so I wanted another MIDI controller for gigging. As you said, no one makes a current product that is as good I bought a used 2nd MB for gigging as they weren't a lot of $$$.

Yes it is heavy, but the feature set is worth it. And at 55 years old and strong as an ox, lugging that thing around keeps me fit and young.

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#2948257 - 09/14/18 07:54 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: The Real MC]
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I had one, but sold it when I got my VAX77. The current owner won't sell it back to me! I am very happy with the VAX77, but wish I still had the MIDIBoard. It was built like a tank (and just as heavy!) and it played great. Ask me about PolyAT some time....

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#2948261 - 09/14/18 08:05 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
I think if they added some encoders and and a set of sliders... some programmable drumpads... it would be a brainless buy for many many studio musicians.. even for live players.. it allready makes me feel like i never wanna go back.. and that after just 2 days..

This is the grand of keyboard controllers.

I'll take a wild guess that very few manufacturers would take a chance on an instrument like that today, given the market of "basement beat-makers." I'll admit to being ignorant of what's out there though – is there an 88-key with real wood action that has sliders, buttons, drumpads? Physis K4 might come closest in terms of action, but doesn't appear to have pads. And the aftertouch is channel, not poly like yours. Given its age I would probably use it in the studio only – notwhithstanding the fact that you couldn't pay me to move it anywhere! Congratulations and best of luck keeping this beast going!

I have a pristine Yamaha KX88 – sliders & buttons but no pads, and you need a degree in computer science to program them. To me the value in these older weighted action controllers is strictly the keyboard feel. You can easily place a small USB midi slider/pad/button unit on the Midiboard. There are a lot to choose from – Korg has the NanoPad, NanoKontrol, NanoKontrol Studio. Then there's the Behringer X-Touch mini & Icon iControls and iCon Pad.

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#2948267 - 09/14/18 09:32 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I'll take a wild guess that very few manufacturers would take a chance on an instrument like that today, given the market of "basement beat-makers."


I think that's a pretty accurate assessment of the market. Most "basement beat-makers" have no training on piano and wouldn't need 88 weighted action keys. Studio (or bedroom) space is a pricey premium these days which is why the short 25/37/49 note MIDI controllers have found favor.

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#2949383 - 09/20/18 08:17 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: The Real MC]
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I have one and also got the latest EPROMs from Hal Chamberlain. I absolutely love the thing. The poly aftertouch is fantastic (works with my Prophet 6, OB6, and Chroma Polaris), having the velocity response on a slider makes it a breeze to dial in the right touch for different software instruments, the action is amazing and quick, and it is not nearly as hard to program as it is made out to be. I am not gigging it - it stays parked in my studio, but it would be tempting. I think someone on here or another board said they had 2 and one lived in their van for gigs.
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#2949386 - 09/20/18 08:51 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Phil Aiken]
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I think someone on here or another board said they had 2 and one lived in their van for gigs.


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#2949415 - 09/21/18 06:40 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC
Originally Posted By: Beethree
I think someone on here or another board said they had 2 and one lived in their van for gigs.


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I saw a youtube a few days ago of someone playing 2 on top of eachother, much like a weighted hammer action organ...


With todays movement of using more and more vst’s (also the real musicians among us) i think a fresh version of the midiboard would actually make sense again..

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#2949509 - 09/21/18 09:33 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
With todays movement of using more and more vst’s (also the real musicians among us) i think a fresh version of the midiboard would actually make sense again..


I've put that bug in Hal Chamberlin's ear years ago. He thought it had merit, wish it had happened.

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#2949527 - 09/22/18 03:25 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: KorgyPorky]
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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
With todays movement of using more and more vst’s (also the real musicians among us) i think a fresh version of the midiboard would actually make sense again.

That’s basically what Infinite Response tried to do with the VAX77, which really was designed to work with Mainstage, and later the VAXMIDI Kickstarter project. The VAX77 (which folded) ended until being too expensive to manufacture, and the VAXMIDI was a valiant attempt that was beset with too many production issues.

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#2949535 - 09/22/18 05:07 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Marzzz]
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Aside from Poly AT and knowing keyboard feel is subjective hitt which controller features are present on the Midiboard that are not present on the PC3/PC3x/Forte or Physis? I could compare specs but I'm more interested in the unique features that owners are dependent on and actually use on a regular basis.

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#2949588 - 09/22/18 02:05 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Markyboard]
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For me it was the PolyAT and the keyboard feel, both of which were the best ever. The other controls were pretty rudimentary.

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#2949592 - 09/22/18 04:11 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
For me it was the PolyAT


nooooo, really. laugh
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#2949600 - 09/22/18 06:23 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
The other controls were pretty rudimentary.


Yup.
8 independent MIDI channels per setup aren´t much and just only 50% of the PC3,- and 3 splitzones per setup seems to be identical w/ the KW Expressionmate controller box.
5 sliders aren´t also not 9 like on the PC3 and I see the classic MIDI-trio connectors, so the MIDIboard deals w/ just only 1 MIDI-port/16 channels which is WAY behind the Physis K4/5.

Today, the PC3 is still the 2nd best MIDI performance controller keyboard available where the best and most versatile is the Physis K4/5.
The Forte should have PC3 series functionality meanwhile, but on the PC3 I appreciate connectivity for a ribbon controller while I regret there´s no poly AT available in PC3-, Forte- and Physis K series keyboards.

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#2949602 - 09/22/18 06:54 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Al Coda]
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You guys summed it up nicely and confirmed what I suspected. Put Poly AT on a Physis or Forte and we have our modern day Midiboard.

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#2949611 - 09/22/18 09:15 PM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Markyboard]
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If only!!!! I would buy one in a nano-second. Me and like 7-8 other people.

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#2949650 - 09/23/18 09:40 AM Re: Kurzweil midiboard [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
You guys summed it up nicely and confirmed what I suspected. Put Poly AT on a Physis or Forte and we have our modern day Midiboard.


I forgot to mention the Physis K4/5 come w/ 2 mergable MIDI-In and several USB connectors too.
Unfortunately unavailable here meanwhile,- so I get the impression it might be discontinued sooner or later because they don´t sell enough.

So,- my hope is Kurzweil, coming up w/ a Forte successor, offering 256 voice polyphony, ribbon controller & breath controller connectivity, multi MIDI-port support up to 128 MIDI channels w/ DIN Midi & USB, all the bells and whistles of Forte and PC3 (Flash Play, gigabytes user RAM and probably improved KB3 and V.A.S.T) plus more faster DSPs for snappier VA envelopes, more non-aliasing OSC-models and LFOs,- the latter going up into the audio range.
Last but not least,- a weighted triple-sensor action offering poly-AT.

That´s what I buy in a nano second ... grin

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