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#2979428 - 03/09/19 08:17 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
The complexity of the setups you can make, along with the real time control blows the Roland away. I'm able to do things on this keyboard live that the Roland couldn't even get close to. Like Nick Semrad said, if you're clever you can get effects and things that would normally be restricted to a studio recording to come out in live playing.

Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
this forced me to start editing at the element level, and with 8 elements per part holy crap this is a deep keyboard. I can have splits and layers, even different sounds playing at once while using only one part. Once I started editing elements the 8 parts at once thing became a non-issue.

Element-level editing probably already puts you beyond the tweaking experience of most MODX/Montage/Motif owners!
In terms of sample-based sounds, I'd say the MODX does give you more to work with than the FA... 12 parts (8 keyboard playable) of 2 effects each, vs. 16 tones of 1 effect each (the Montage gives you 16 parts of 2 effects each); and each MODX Part has 8 elements, vs. each Roland Tone having 4 partials. (I think.)


Edited by AnotherScott (03/09/19 01:03 PM)
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#2979434 - 03/09/19 08:57 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
The complexity of the setups you can make, along with the real time control blows the Roland away. I'm able to do things on this keyboard live that the Roland couldn't even get close to. Like Nick Semrad said, if you're clever you can get effects and things that would normally be restricted to a studio recording to come out in live playing.

Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
this forced me to start editing at the element level, and with 8 elements per part holy crap this is a deep keyboard. I can have splits and layers, even different sounds playing at once while using only one part. Once I started editing elements the 8 parts at once thing became a non-issue.

Element-level editing probably already puts you beyond the tweaking experience of most MODX/Montage/Motif owners!
In terms of sample-based sounds, I'd say he MODX does give you more to work with than the FA... 12 parts (8 keyboard playable) of 2 effects each, vs. 16 tones of 1 effect each (the Montage gives you 16 parts of 2 effects each), and each MODX Part has 8 elements, vs. each Roland Tone having 4 partials. (I think.)

I was creating mult-sound Voices in my XF and MOXF days to stay in Performance mode (4 parts). You have to learn element level programming to truly sculpt sounds in any of those Yamaha boards - only so much tweaking can be done at the Part (Voice) level.

The one main drawback is you have the same two effects on all of the 8 elements. You can turn them on or off for elements, but you cant select a diff pair. 8 parts should be enough in most cases to accommodate live play though. 2 hands .. 8 parts ... enough for me. I havenít used more than 5 parts on a live song yet.
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#2979497 - 03/09/19 04:09 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Hmmmm..... each part with 8 elements?

Personally, I prefer the Korg structure, with each part having 2 elements, it's altogether a faster, simpler structure to work with.

Not only do you have more control over fx, you can mix and match parts much more easily.

Like anything, there's advantages to 2 elements vs 8 elements per part, and like N4dr0j says, there's wicked cool things you can accomplish if you're willing to put in the time.

But once you've done in-depth 8 element design, your building blocks, parts, are very specific, whereas 2 element design is much more open ended.

That said, the MODX7 is at the top of my list of boards I'd consider if I decided to go without built-in speakers, the value and sheer power is pretty unbeatable. And, being a Yamaha, it probably will have the largest user base out there, which means more 3d party sounds, which means I wouldn't have to go to far into the deep end!

N4dr0j, are you using the John Melas librarian/editor/sample manager program? Well worth the money if you're really digging deep, it's super well done, had it when I had my XS7.
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#2979502 - 03/09/19 04:41 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Hmmmm..... each part with 8 elements?

Personally, I prefer the Korg structure, with each part having 2 elements, it's altogether a faster, simpler structure to work with.

I believe Korg can have 2 oscillators in each part (program), but each oscillator can have 4 multisamples (their equivalent to elements). If you could really only have two "elements" in a part, you'd be quite limited in velocity switching. You need at least three to get even to the level of a Kurzweil triple strike. ;-)

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#2979545 - 03/10/19 09:15 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Anybody compared the FA-07 vs the Modx7 keybed?
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#2979546 - 03/10/19 09:51 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Charleston]
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....especially in regards to acoustic piano sounds. I know they aren't weighted, but are both of them decent enough to not be really annoying? In anyone's opinion, is one "better" than the other?
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#2979550 - 03/10/19 10:08 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Charleston]
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FA-07 keys feel a bit more substantial IIRC, but MODX keys feel more even from front to back. I wouldn't really want to play piano from either one of them if I could avoid it. Even as non-hammer actions go, others are better, IMO.
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#2979555 - 03/10/19 10:21 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Randelph
Hmmmm..... each part with 8 elements?

Personally, I prefer the Korg structure, with each part having 2 elements, it's altogether a faster, simpler structure to work with.

I believe Korg can have 2 oscillators in each part (program), but each oscillator can have 4 multisamples (their equivalent to elements). If you could really only have two "elements" in a part, you'd be quite limited in velocity switching. You need at least three to get even to the level of a Kurzweil triple strike. ;-)



Hmmmm.... don't know exactly how that works in terms of multi-samples. Once on the Yamaha forums, Bad Mister said there were 800? multi-samples that made up their piano sounds.

What I remember from working with my Korg M3, was you had 2 'elements' for each part to work with, and could mix and combine up to 16 of those for a multi.

Just looked at the manual for the M3, and you're right. You can have 2 'oscillators' per part, and each oscillator can have 4 multi-samples.

More than anything though, I just remember finding the 8 elements of a part on the XS7 much more daunting than working with the 2 oscillators on the M3.
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#2979556 - 03/10/19 10:24 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Randelph]
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TO ALL MODX OWNERS:

Can you use the DAW volume knob on the front panel to control the volume coming back from the iPad? In other words does the built-in audio interface work with the iPad also?
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#2979575 - 03/10/19 12:31 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Hmmmm.... don't know exactly how that works in terms of multi-samples. Once on the Yamaha forums, Bad Mister said there were 800? multi-samples that made up their piano sounds.

Two possible sources of confusion here:

...Different companies use terminology differently. Yamaha calls the individual components of their PCM sounds "elements," Korg calls them "multisamples."

...The total number of samples used for a sound in its entirety is not the same as the number of samples used to play a single note. If all 88 keys of a piano are sampled at 4 velocities, that's 352 samples in mono, 704 in stereo. But that could still be reproduced with 8 samples per key (times 88 keys).
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#2979612 - 03/10/19 06:11 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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I know the CFX in the MODX/Montage was sampled in 10 velocity layers...

Not sure about the Bosendorfer.

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#2979621 - 03/10/19 07:22 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: polo]
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I know the CFX in the MODX/Montage was sampled in 10 velocity layers...

I was just creating an example to show how easy it is to get to that many samples. 88 keys at 4 velocity layers, or 44 keys (sampling every other key) at 8 velocity layers, or fewer at ten, whatever.

As for Bad Mister's specific comment, I don't know how old that was, it may have predated the Montage.
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#2979622 - 03/10/19 07:34 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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MODX question:

One of the things I didn't like about my MOX6 was that when using the parameter knobs like filter cutoff, the values were stepped and not smooth. Please tell me that Yamaha did not cut this corner in the MODX instruments.

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#2979639 - 03/11/19 01:54 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Michael W]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
TO ALL MODX OWNERS:

Can you use the DAW volume knob on the front panel to control the volume coming back from the iPad? In other words does the built-in audio interface work with the iPad also?


USB knob will change volume of an iPad, yes.

Originally Posted By: Michael W
MODX question:

One of the things I didn't like about my MOX6 was that when using the parameter knobs like filter cutoff, the values were stepped and not smooth. Please tell me that Yamaha did not cut this corner in the MODX instruments.

Thanks.


Thankfully the ilters are smooth, but there's an option to make them step too if you wanted.
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#2979672 - 03/11/19 08:50 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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Hey everyone,

I picked up a floor model MODX7 on Saturday and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to set the reverb and variation type effects in a performance. The information didn't seem to be in the manual either. Any clues?

I'm not sure I will ever get used to the keybed, but it sure does sound sweet.

Thanks,
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#2979697 - 03/11/19 12:05 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: N4dr0j]
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Originally Posted By: N4dr0j
[quote=Randelph]TO ALL MODX OWNERS:

Can you use the DAW volume knob on the front panel to control the volume coming back from the iPad? In other words does the built-in audio interface work with the iPad also?


USB knob will change volume of an iPad, yes.


What cable is used from the MODX to the iPad?
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#2979722 - 03/11/19 03:27 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bill W]
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Originally Posted By: Bill W
Hey everyone,

I picked up a floor model MODX7 on Saturday and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to set the reverb and variation type effects in a performance. The information didn't seem to be in the manual either. Any clues?

I'm not sure I will ever get used to the keybed, but it sure does sound sweet.

Thanks,
Bill


I think you
a. Select Performance - Go in Performance screen (not Live Set)
b. Press edit
c. There are both common effects, and also effects within each part.

Part Effects
> Ref manual, starting on Pg 75

Common Effects edit
> Variation effect = Reference manual pg 170
> Reverb effect = Ref manual pg 171


Edited by MotiDave (03/11/19 03:33 PM)
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#2979796 - 03/12/19 05:15 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Originally Posted By: Bill W
Hey everyone,

I picked up a floor model MODX7 on Saturday and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how to set the reverb and variation type effects in a performance. The information didn't seem to be in the manual either. Any clues?

I'm not sure I will ever get used to the keybed, but it sure does sound sweet.

Thanks,
Bill


I think you
a. Select Performance - Go in Performance screen (not Live Set)
b. Press edit
c. There are both common effects, and also effects within each part.

Part Effects
> Ref manual, starting on Pg 75

Common Effects edit
> Variation effect = Reference manual pg 170
> Reverb effect = Ref manual pg 171


Wow, that was right under my nose...thank you!
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#2980055 - 03/14/19 03:49 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Bill W]
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At the current price, is there any reason not to own a modx?

Its the perfect base of your setup..
Just add some modules (gemini, integra7, peak)
And some vstís (mainstage, komplete, omnisphere, keyscape, pianoteq, diva, v-collection)....

My current mini setup consists out of the modx8, a small self buid rack with these modules, a mac mini 2018 with huge external drive, an ipad as the screen, and 2 korg nano 2 (controll and pad) .... and yes, there is lots of room on the modx8 surface for the korg nanoís and my apple trackpad..


But then, for most a modx7 stand alone will work just as well

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#2980069 - 03/14/19 07:16 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: KorgyPorky]
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Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
At the current price, is there any reason not to own a modx?

Its the perfect base of your setup..
Just add some modules (gemini, integra7, peak)
And some vstís (mainstage, komplete, omnisphere, keyscape, pianoteq, diva, v-collection)....

My current mini setup consists out of the modx8, a small self buid rack with these modules, a mac mini 2018 with huge external drive, an ipad as the screen, and 2 korg nano 2 (controll and pad) .... and yes, there is lots of room on the modx8 surface for the korg nanoís and my apple trackpad..

I think your opening question there is asking whether there is anything else at its price that could be a better MIDI controller, right? I might make a case for the Numa Compact 2/2X, because you get aftertouch. All the other stuff you lose I think can effectively be replaced by everything else you have in that rig.
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#2980138 - 03/14/19 03:36 PM Excellent overview [Re: AnotherScott]
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37 minute overview

This guy is a pro reviewer, covers alot of ground quickly, the screen is easily seen, keeps it snappy and interesting. Makes me want to get a MODX7!
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#2980179 - 03/14/19 11:55 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: KorgyPorky
At the current price, is there any reason not to own a modx?

Its the perfect base of your setup..
Just add some modules (gemini, integra7, peak)
And some vstís (mainstage, komplete, omnisphere, keyscape, pianoteq, diva, v-collection)....

My current mini setup consists out of the modx8, a small self buid rack with these modules, a mac mini 2018 with huge external drive, an ipad as the screen, and 2 korg nano 2 (controll and pad) .... and yes, there is lots of room on the modx8 surface for the korg nanoís and my apple trackpad..

I think your opening question there is asking whether there is anything else at its price that could be a better MIDI controller, right? I might make a case for the Numa Compact 2/2X, because you get aftertouch. All the other stuff you lose I think can effectively be replaced by everything else you have in that rig.


Almost everthing, except the arpís of the modx, which i use a lot for many different thing, next to its great sound, it is the major sales point for me on the modx..

Aftertouch however is a nice touch, and probably the only thing missing on modx..


I alsoonít think the numa 2x has the ease of use of the modx, which is another huge advantage of my modx.. the main reason i replaced my kronos with the modx.. the workflow is incredible


Edited by KorgyPorky (03/14/19 11:58 PM)

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#2980542 - Today at 06:45 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: KorgyPorky]
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I was a person who jumped to Korg after using Yamaha Motif-line keyboards for years. This decision was entirely because of the MIDI limitations of the Montage/MODX and I was fairly critical of Yamaha's decision. (Not looking to re-debate this; I'm fully aware that Yamaha doesn't owe me anything.)

So anyway...I have to give some credit where credit is due. I played the MODX8 for the first time at Guitar Center yesterday. It was right next to a MOXF8 and I have to say that the keyboard on the MODX8 was soooooooo much better than the MOXF8. Perhaps this was just because it was newer (since I have seen claims that they are the same keybed.) If not, then well done Yamaha.


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