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#2952140 - 10/09/18 11:10 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: pjd]
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Iíve done a gig and three full days of rehearsals with the MODX7 alone and as part of a bigger rig and itís not going back. smile As an all-in-one solution all sounds Are good enough, and as an add on in my bigger rig it can hold its own. I prefer the brass tones to my Kronos brass and the modern synth sounds are on level with my Virus Ti - not in programmability, but for most modern dance stuff The MODX7 will do just fine. Having such easy access to the internal compressors is great, and the envelope follower -> midi sync seems to work fine, but itís very picky with levels you feed it.


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#2952148 - 10/09/18 11:29 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Music*aL]
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Originally Posted By: Music*aL
Second test drive at GC tonight. The MODX8 was set up with a stereo set of near fields (Yamahas I believe).

One of the first things I did was disconnect one of the audio outs to one of the speakers so that I could audition it in mono, as I've decided a long time ago to play my live gigs in mono. WoW!!! The liveliness of the patches was sucked right out. In stereo, all the patches (I'm most interested in acoustic and electric pianos) have this wonderful depth about them. In mono, the sounds are one dimensional and no better sounding to me than the MOXF 8 I recently sold.


This is interesting and crucial given many of us will play it live. I'm not genned up on mono/stereo but had a similar experience with my Juno DS at the w/end.
Usually play stereo using our own PA but on this occasion FOH was mono so just a single lead from the left jack into the DI...was really shocked by how flat and weak it sounded.
Forgive the naivety but is there way 'round this, short of going through all patches and fixing the FX (if indeed it's the stereo panning that gives them all the depth etc)

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#2952169 - 10/09/18 12:33 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Marillo]
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I went to a GC to audition it last week, but they were already sold out of them including the floor model. It's great to hear good reviews of the MODX7 as a light, all in one, for the occasional sit in gig, rehearsal or jam session at the local bar.

I really like what I hear on YouTube videos, but I'm not sure I'm gassing enough for it to sell my FA-07 which is also fine for this purpose.

Any other comments on the MODX7 action? I think despite the cheap plastic build of the FA-07, the keybed feels pretty decent.
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#2952171 - 10/09/18 12:38 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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#2952182 - 10/09/18 02:00 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: pjd]
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Originally Posted By: pjd
The old Yamaha expansion flash modules (boards) are 16-bit data parallel. The address bus is also parallel.

The Montage and MODX tone generators communicate directly with NAND flash using the Open NAND Flash Interface (ONFI). ONFI is the same interface used internally within SSD drives. The tone generator maintains a cache of currently used samples in a fast, dedicated SDRAM. The cache is needed because NAND flash random access read time is relatively slow, too slow to sustain 128 voice stereo polyphony. {etc.}

Thanks for the info, very interesting. So they have moved away from NOR flash to a hybrid NAND flash + RAM approach, and have their own technology to do it. I guess that helps explain how a more capable and larger capacity MODX is replacing a higher-priced MOXF/Flash card combo.
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#2952225 - 10/09/18 04:34 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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I have been downloading, sifting through, auditioning and editing/customizing patches over the past week for live shows.
Here are my soundmondo submissions. I think they are great starting points for some bread and butter sounds. Hope these are helpful to a some of you.

PIANO https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29515
RHODESMKV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29533
CLAV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29532
BRASS https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29518
STRINGPAD https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29520
POLYSAW https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29519
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#2952250 - 10/09/18 06:13 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: High Diving Act]
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I'd like to see a few more split performances. Which is not really the Soundmondo purview I know.. but it would have been nice for Yammie programmers to include a few more factory ones.
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#2952271 - 10/09/18 08:34 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: miden]
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Thanks Jay!

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#2952284 - 10/09/18 10:43 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: burningbusch]
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#2952307 - 10/10/18 05:14 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Shapsy]
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The Yamaha vs. Roland video was good.

I can't say I would make a decision on either based on pianos and electric pianos.

The FM sounds and acoustic instruments on the Yamaha are a noticeable win over Roland to me.

Roland Super Natural synth sounds for leads and pads are no slouch and they layer very nicely on the FA-07. I quite like the Roland synth sound, maybe better than Yamaha, but this is also splitting hairs that are just for me and not anyone else in a band or venue listening.

I don't think I would go to either of these for organ, in my opinion. Roland a little better in the video but live, just not going to replace a clonewheel.

Summary - if someone wants to buy my FA-07 for a good price, I'd give the MODX7 a go, but I don't see enough value in taking a big hit on selling it this quickly.

The action on that FA-07 feels good and I'm sure I could be fine with the MODX7 too.
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#2952319 - 10/10/18 05:59 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Boot time = ~ 16 seconds. Similar to MOXF, much faster than Motif XF. I donít have a Montage to compare.

Iíve played around for 2nd night on MODX7 - it feel similar but better than MOXF6 to me. i canít put my finger (no pun intended) on exactly the difference. Keys feel a tad more sturdy,

I see what someone said about the ID markings for connection ports - cannot see them at all from the keys side of the board, they are hidden under a lip from the top of board. Either have to tip the board up to see (which is light but may not be easy once you have half the connections in) or walk around to the other side. Thinking about labels.
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#2952327 - 10/10/18 06:50 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Boot time = ~ 16 seconds. Similar to MOXF, much faster than Motif XF.


Motif XS = 3:15secs fyi

or maybe it was 2:15secs.... i cant remember, but its painfully long boot
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#2952335 - 10/10/18 07:26 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
The Yamaha vs. Roland video was good.

I can't say I would make a decision on either based on pianos and electric pianos.

Personally, I'd pick Yamaha for piano. The Roland may be subjectively a perfectly pleasant sounds, but it just doesn't sound as much like a real acoustic piano to me. And getting back to my earlier comment, again, the Roland dynamics seem exaggerated, too many notes "pop out" as too bright, or slip away as too subdued. My impression from the demo is that he's a good player who still can't really control the Roland dynamics. An obvious example is the chord around 1:24 which is so much more pronounced than what's around it, and seems clearly unintentionally so. Once you notice that, you can listen to the whole passage and see that kind of unevenness all over the place, while the Yamaha plays much more smoothly.

EPs trickier... in this demo, they all kinda suck. But I'd say the Yamaha wurly is better than the Roland (if that's not damning with faint praise). Though Yamaha also has other EP sample sets in there, and more you can load into its memory expansion. (Well, Roland also has an EP expansion, but it's the old SRX card which isn't so great either.)

Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
The FM sounds and acoustic instruments on the Yamaha are a noticeable win over Roland to me.

Roland Super Natural synth sounds for leads and pads are no slouch and they layer very nicely on the FA-07. I quite like the Roland synth sound, maybe better than Yamaha, but this is also splitting hairs that are just for me and not anyone else in a band or venue listening.

Yeah, even just based on the tech involved, Yamaha should certainly have the edge for FM sounds, and Roland for VA. And like you, I prefer Yamaha for most acoustic instrument sounds as well. Roland has at least a theoretical edge with the Supernatural behavior modeling, but that applies to few sounds on the FA, and even fewer when you factor out the pianos and EPs which seem less impressive regardless. (I also just don't care about some of them... I never bother comparing guitar and bass sounds, for example, because I always work with real guitarists and bassists so those sounds don't matter.)

Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
I don't think I would go to either of these for organ, in my opinion

Yeah, neither demo here is impressive. For organ I'd give Roland an edge for having the Sub Out to make it easy to incorporate a Vent.

Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
The action on that FA-07 feels good and I'm sure I could be fine with the MODX7 too.

I'd expect the Yamaha keys to feel more even in response from front to rear.
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#2952370 - 10/10/18 10:42 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: AnotherScott]
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I have an MODX8 on its way here; should arrive Friday or next Monday. Meanwhile my Montage 8 is shipping out today. Seems a wiser choice for gigging: 31 lbs vs 64, and more compact, widthwise. I can deal with the slightly lighter action. For a dedicated piano gig I'd likely use my FP-50 anyway.

For very basic cover situations, the Montage-based organs would be okay; but for single keyboard stuff I'd still connect my iPad to the MODX and use Galileo - as I did with the Montage 8.

Once I've had a chance to test out the MODX, I'll post impressions here. Seems a good way to combine my legacy Motif/S-series patches and favorite Montage sounds into a leaner package.
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#2952389 - 10/10/18 12:09 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: High Diving Act]
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Originally Posted By: High Diving Act
I have been downloading, sifting through, auditioning and editing/customizing patches over the past week for live shows.
Here are my soundmondo submissions. I think they are great starting points for some bread and butter sounds. Hope these are helpful to a some of you.

PIANO https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29515
RHODESMKV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29533
CLAV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29532
BRASS https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29518
STRINGPAD https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29520
POLYSAW https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29519


HDA, I followed the above links, thereís nothing to click on to play your demos. Googled it, and thereís a Yamaha Soundmondo app, which i installed on my ipad. Clicked again on the above links and it still just takes me to a page with no play button.
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#2952410 - 10/10/18 02:11 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
Originally Posted By: High Diving Act
I have been downloading, sifting through, auditioning and editing/customizing patches over the past week for live shows.
Here are my soundmondo submissions. I think they are great starting points for some bread and butter sounds. Hope these are helpful to a some of you.

PIANO https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29515
RHODESMKV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29533
CLAV https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29532
BRASS https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29518
STRINGPAD https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29520
POLYSAW https://soundmondo.yamahasynth.com/voices/29519


HDA, I followed the above links, thereís nothing to click on to play your demos. Googled it, and thereís a Yamaha Soundmondo app, which i installed on my ipad. Clicked again on the above links and it still just takes me to a page with no play button.



There is no preview on soundmondo. You have to hook your modx up to the computer and using google chrome only you click on the sound.. click sync.. and it will load onto your modx to preview on the keyboard. It will not save there unless you choose to save it to your keyboard.


Edited by High Diving Act (10/10/18 02:12 PM)
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#2952424 - 10/10/18 05:37 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Mogut]
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Originally Posted By: Mogut
Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Boot time = ~ 16 seconds. Similar to MOXF, much faster than Motif XF.


Motif XS = 3:15secs fyi

or maybe it was 2:15secs.... i cant remember, but its painfully long boot

Perhaps when AutoLoading a file. Otherwise, the XS boots in a bit more than 30 seconds.

Boot time for a Motif XF can vary considerably, dependent on the number and capacity of any installed flash modules.
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#2952430 - 10/10/18 05:57 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MIDI2XS]
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Well, I for one, am 100% happy I swapped to the MODX 8 from the Kurzweil Sp6 - out here they are about $450 different in price but an absolute WORLD away in terms of bang for buck!
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#2952431 - 10/10/18 05:58 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MIDI2XS]
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Originally Posted By: MIDI2XS
Originally Posted By: Mogut
Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Boot time = ~ 16 seconds. Similar to MOXF, much faster than Motif XF.


Motif XS = 3:15secs fyi

or maybe it was 2:15secs.... i cant remember, but its painfully long boot

Perhaps when AutoLoading a file. Otherwise, the XS boots in a bit more than 30 seconds.

Boot time for a Motif XF can vary considerably, dependent on the number and capacity of any installed flash modules.
. About 30 or so seconds for XF sounds about right. It takes twice as long (maybe a tad longer) than MOXF - thats when both have the same single Flash installed. I actually donít think flash adds to time to boot as internal memory retains a stored map of what waveform maps to what - that is why when you put a flash board into a XF, it ďinstallsĒ it - reads/creates that map. It only does that upon initial install of flash board. After that the map is just there.
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#2952434 - 10/10/18 06:16 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Well the MODX8 arrived yesterday and so far it's a keeper. Sold the Montage 8 a couple weeks ago and happy I did. The action is acceptable but does seem a little slower than I had hoped but certainly acceptable. The overall feel of the unit is a a bit plastic-y but the trade off is it is really light. Seems a bit boxy as well, so a hard case may be end up being larger than needed.
Sonically it seems to be on par with the Montage and in front of house I doubt you can tell the difference. Certainly is filled with a large selection of sounds.

I got this at an unbelievable price as a preorder and simply can't be beat for the money. The wall wart seems really cheap so I oredered a couple spares today one to keep in my gig bag and one at home. Agree with the placement of the volume knob being an issue and the touch screen seems functional but taking a little to get use to. Might be the font being smaller and picking up a bit of glare from the over lights in the room. Not sure how it will work out yet in my 3 tier setup.
But overall very happy so far!!! More to come when I get closer to getting it gig ready. It will replace my S70XS pretty nicely as my bottom board.
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#2952437 - 10/10/18 06:25 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: KeyMoe]
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@KeyMoe: could you tell us some more on that unbelievable price?

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#2952442 - 10/10/18 07:13 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Fleer]
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@KeyMoe: could you tell us some more on that unbelievable price?


No, he canít. Review the forum policies.

(Also, as the items are now on the market, ďpre-orderĒ is no longer applicable, so why torture yourself?)
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#2952443 - 10/10/18 07:26 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Sven Golly]
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Didnít know about the policy.
Just interested. Maybe he can PM.

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#2952447 - 10/10/18 07:58 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MIDI2XS
Originally Posted By: Mogut
Motif XS = 3:15secs fyi

or maybe it was 2:15secs.... i cant remember, but its painfully long boot

Perhaps when AutoLoading a file. Otherwise, the XS boots in a bit more than 30 seconds.

Boot time for a Motif XF can vary considerably, dependent on the number and capacity of any installed flash modules.

.About 30 or so seconds for XF sounds about right. It takes twice as long (maybe a tad longer) than MOXF - thats when both have the same single Flash installed. I actually donít think flash adds to time to boot as internal memory retains a stored map of what waveform maps to what - that is why when you put a flash board into a XF, it ďinstallsĒ it - reads/creates that map. It only does that upon initial install of flash board. After that the map is just there.

It's not about mapping Waveforms - boot time seems unaffected by flash module contents. Rather, in my experience boot time is affected by the presence and size of the flash module(s). I increased the size and number of modules in my XF6 in stages. Each increase caused the boot time to also increase. I now have two 1GB modules installed, and boot time is a full minute. Apparently the XF does some basic checking of installed flash. Whatever it's doing, it takes some time.
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#2952456 - 10/10/18 10:01 PM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: MIDI2XS]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Originally Posted By: MIDI2XS
[quote=Mogut]Motif XS = 3:15secs fyi

or maybe it was 2:15secs.... i cant remember, but its painfully long boot

Perhaps when AutoLoading a file. Otherwise, the XS boots in a bit more than 30 seconds.

Boot time for a Motif XF can vary considerably, dependent on the number and capacity of any installed flash modules.

.About 30 or so seconds for XF sounds about right. It takes twice as long (maybe a tad longer) than MOXF - thats when both have the same single Flash installed. I actually donít think flash adds to time to boot as internal memory retains a stored map of what waveform maps to what - that is why when you put a flash board into a XF, it ďinstallsĒ it - reads/creates that map. It only does that upon initial install of flash board. After that the map is just there.

It's not about mapping Waveforms - boot time seems unaffected by flash module contents. Rather, in my experience boot time is affected by the presence and size of the flash module(s). I increased the size and number of modules in my XF6 in stages. Each increase caused the boot time to also increase. I now have two 1GB modules installed, and boot time is a full minute. Apparently the XF does some basic checking of installed flash. Whatever it's doing, it takes some time.
[/quote]huh. I think youíre right that content volume doesnít matter, I saw no time difference when I deleted 60% of waveforms I didnít need/use from 750 MB down to 300 MB. I always bow to your prowess but whatever its doing, the MO series does it a lot faster or just doesnít bother to do it at all. I have a 1GB FL1024 in the XF, a 2GB mutec in the MOXF. MOXF still boots twice as fast (or more).
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#2952522 - 10/11/18 08:50 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: allan_evett]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett
I have an MODX8 on its way here; should arrive Friday or next Monday. Meanwhile my Montage 8 is shipping out today. Seems a wiser choice for gigging: 31 lbs vs 64, and more compact, widthwise. I can deal with the slightly lighter action. For a dedicated piano gig I'd likely use my FP-50 anyway.

For very basic cover situations, the Montage-based organs would be okay; but for single keyboard stuff I'd still connect my iPad to the MODX and use Galileo - as I did with the Montage 8.

Once I've had a chance to test out the MODX, I'll post impressions here. Seems a good way to combine my legacy Motif/S-series patches and favorite Montage sounds into a leaner package.


I picked up a MOXF8 a few years ago for the same reasons, much lighter than my old S70XS.
Do let us know.
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#2952526 - 10/11/18 08:56 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Fleer]
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Originally Posted By: Fleer
Didnít know about the policy.
Just interested. Maybe he can PM.


It's a sticky. Called "READ BEFORE POSTING: Forum Policies". snax
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#2952536 - 10/11/18 09:24 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Originally Posted By: Fleer
Didnít know about the policy.
Just interested. Maybe he can PM.


It's a sticky. Called "READ BEFORE POSTING: Forum Policies". snax

We're in the era of iTunes License Agreements. Nobody reads anything they're told to read anymore.
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#2952545 - 10/11/18 10:04 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Well, I for one, am 100% happy I swapped to the MODX 8 from the Kurzweil Sp6 - out here they are about $450 different in price but an absolute WORLD away in terms of bang for buck!


Miden and others with SP6 experience,
Please do tell! Aside from the $600 difference between the 88 notes in the US. You could make the argument that many who would buy the sp6, which is only offered as 88 notes, might buy the MODX7, at which point its only a $200 premium for the Yamaha.

Some obvious pluses for the MODX7 or 8 are that it has audio inputs for easy use of ipad or notebook for extra sounds, and more wave ROM. What is it that made the Yamaha such a bang for the buck buy compared to the SP6, which many say is Kurzweils best bang for the buck board?
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#2952572 - 10/11/18 11:46 AM Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
What is it that made the Yamaha such a bang for the buck buy compared to the SP6, which many say is Kurzweils best bang for the buck board?

I'd say they both have good bang-for-buck, based on 88-to-88. The MODX is the more capable board overall, but it is almost 50% pricier. Some quick thoughts about key differences, as a live performance board:

SP6 has sample playback, virtual analog, and clonewheel engines; MODX has sample playback and FM engines.

SP6 Multis contain up to 4 playable split/layered sounds, MODX Performances contain up to 8.

SP6 can function as a 4-zone MIDI controller. MODX can function as... 8?

MODX has on-board editing, SP6 editing is only via computer.

MODX has full patch remain on switching up to 4 parts at a time. SP6 sometimes has fx glitches, and doesn't have patch remain switching away from a clonewheel engine sound (though again MODX doesn't have clonewheel engine at all).

MODX lets you load custom samples, SP6 does not.

MODX has the large touchscreen interface, which also makes it stronger for patch selection.

MODX has more real-time controllers.

But of course then there's what you think about the sounds... and action...
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