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#2933842 - 06/21/18 06:41 AM GSi - something is going to happen
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#2933846 - 06/21/18 07:06 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ZefrKeys]
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Based on comments from Guido quite a while ago, I'm guessing it's an updated dual manual Mojo. Probably DSP/Gemini based. Take that guess for what it's worth (spoiler alert - it's worth nothing).
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#2933850 - 06/21/18 07:31 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ZefrKeys]
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#2933851 - 06/21/18 07:33 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: JohnDoe]
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SMC 7x key w/ Gemini! Is the wait finally over?
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#2933853 - 06/21/18 07:37 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Delaware Dave]
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It's a picture of a laptop, so I'd guess either the long-awaited update to the VST version of VB3, or some kind of enhanced computer editing capabilities for one or more of their hardware products. Unless the photo is a red herring. ;-)
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#2933854 - 06/21/18 07:52 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
It's a picture of a laptop, so I'd guess either the long-awaited update to the VST version of VB3, or some kind of enhanced computer editing capabilities for one or more of their hardware products. Unless the photo is a red herring. ;-)

His contempt for the Mac OS has not diminished, I suspect. Unlikely that there's anything for me on the horizon.
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#2933858 - 06/21/18 08:16 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
It's a picture of a laptop, so I'd guess either the long-awaited update to the VST version of VB3, or some kind of enhanced computer editing capabilities for one or more of their hardware products. Unless the photo is a red herring. ;-)
I'm sure he writes the code for the hardware products on a computer. It could be *anything.*
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#2933861 - 06/21/18 08:28 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Mighty Ferguson]
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It will be exactly what they felt like building, nothing more nothing less. And kudos to them for being in business keeping true to that.

What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.
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#2933863 - 06/21/18 08:31 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
It's a picture of a laptop, so I'd guess either the long-awaited update to the VST version of VB3, or some kind of enhanced computer editing capabilities for one or more of their hardware products. Unless the photo is a red herring. ;-)

His contempt for the Mac OS has not diminished, I suspect. Unlikely that there's anything for me on the horizon.


My guess is the Mac market is small for him and supporting both platforms takes time (and if he outsources it, money). He could at some point begin using some tools that allow him to write in C++ or whatever he's used to and compile for both Windows and OSX and iOS for that matter. But this is all a lot when you're trying to put out hardware.
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#2933865 - 06/21/18 08:36 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
I'm sure he writes the code for the hardware products on a computer. It could be *anything.*

Good point, and the screen is displaying a bunch of code.
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#2933869 - 06/21/18 09:14 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.
But why build what the users want?
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#2933871 - 06/21/18 09:20 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Fear of the Nord comparisons?
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#2933877 - 06/21/18 09:35 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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A GSi version of the Nord 73 would be great, and nothing to fear from the comparison.

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#2933879 - 06/21/18 09:38 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: keyman27]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
SMC 7x key w/ Gemini! Is the wait finally over?

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.

Originally Posted By: keyman27
A GSi version of the Nord 73 would be great, and nothing to fear from the comparison.


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#2933881 - 06/21/18 09:49 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
SMC 7x key w/ Gemini! Is the wait finally over?

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.

Originally Posted By: keyman27
A GSi version of the Nord 73 would be great, and nothing to fear from the comparison.

Earth to Guido, Earth to Guido, come in Guido .....


Not to mention they could easily undercut Stage 3 Compact by at least $1k US and easily match SK1 88s price - possibly undercut it buy a hundred or two.
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#2933882 - 06/21/18 09:51 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.
But why build what the 5 potential users want?


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#2933889 - 06/21/18 10:45 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Sven Golly]
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... and, here we go again.

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#2933892 - 06/21/18 11:07 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.
But why build what the 5 potential users want?


Fixed. snax


Players are wrong, they don't even know what they want until someone makes it. And home/hobby players drive feature lists and design (sarcasm). I'd say this were true except GSi isn't really in the home hobby market and they don't really make anything that's not for gigging. I mean, for Pete's sake - they built both desktop and rack versions of the Gemini which is nuts in today's market. Unless their research with players suggested there were enough people that wanted their sounds but to use with their existing keyboards.
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#2933893 - 06/21/18 11:17 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I don't know what percentage of keyboard buyers would be interested in a 73-key board with a Gemini foundation... but whatever it is, I would guess it's more than the number interested in the nichier Crumar Seven. But of course, it's in the details... not just sound but ergonomic design as well as price, weight.
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#2933895 - 06/21/18 11:27 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
[quote=ElmerJFudd] What would be killer is a single manual 73 key modified TP-8O with the dual DSP Gemini in it and whatever controllers needed for the all the engines on-board.
But why build what the 5 potential users want?


Fixed. snax


Players are wrong, they don't even know what they want until someone makes it. And home/hobby players drive feature lists and design. [/quote]

Yeah. Perhaps it'll have mini-keys with knobs and sliders too close together. razz
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#2933896 - 06/21/18 11:27 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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This is where the GSI/Crumar delineation confuses me. As the announcement was on the GSI page, I assume it has nothing to do with the Mojo. I assume it's software related, based on the pic.

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#2933897 - 06/21/18 11:35 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I don't know what percentage of keyboard buyers would be interested in a 73-key board with a Gemini foundation... but whatever it is, I would guess it's more than the number interested in the nichier Crumar Seven. But of course, it's in the details... not just sound but ergonomic design as well as price, weight.


Which brings me back to the notion that they build what they would like to play.
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#2933900 - 06/21/18 11:57 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Having a boring summer are we? This thread is worse than a bunch of teenage girls in 1958 all in a flutter about Elvis...

I still think MIB had it right, he's not dead he just went home.

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#2933904 - 06/21/18 12:53 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Jazzmammal]
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No kidding, we'll find out when we do.

Though I *was* seriously considering a Mojo 61..eventually this year....we'll see if this changes that direction.

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#2933913 - 06/21/18 02:00 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Stokely]
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I *was* seriously considering a Mojo 61..


Just get one. It's awesome. GSI is either updating VB3 or coming out with something for the Gemini. Why would you want that? Just go for the 61 and enjoy.

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#2933918 - 06/21/18 02:10 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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It's code, so either a new modeled piano or finish up the clav. wink

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#2933919 - 06/21/18 02:11 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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I *was* seriously considering a Mojo 61..


Just get one. It's awesome. GSI is either updating VB3 or coming out with something for the Gemini. Why would you want that? Just go for the 61 and enjoy.


Not for synth patches it's not. In fact it's severely lacking in this regard. wink
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#2933941 - 06/21/18 05:59 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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I don't know what percentage of keyboard buyers would be interested in a 73-key board with a Gemini foundation... but whatever it is, I would guess it's more than the number interested in the nichier Crumar Seven.
This.
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#2933962 - 06/21/18 09:39 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: drawback]
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... and, here we go again.

hah! this hit me too...
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#2933967 - 06/21/18 10:16 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: waygetter]
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And I had Guido pegged as a vi guy.

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#2933977 - 06/22/18 01:46 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: OB Dave]
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Maybe Guido will finally deliver on his long-standing promise about a 2.0 Update for the VB3 VSTi?

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#2934157 - 06/22/18 11:56 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: OB Dave]
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Originally Posted By: OB Dave
And I had Guido pegged as a vi guy.


A keyboard player should use emacs. Vi is like hitting an escape key and then fingering C, then E, then G and hitting a return key in order to play a C major chord. (Editors and organs. Perfected decades ago and rarely improved upon since :-))

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#2934187 - 06/23/18 06:03 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Zalman Stern]
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#2934191 - 06/23/18 06:28 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2934238 - 06/23/18 11:15 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm sure he writes the code for the hardware products on a computer. It could be *anything.*

Good point, and the screen is displaying a bunch of code.
I zoomed in on it, and I think I see "VST" a number of times on the left sidebar...
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#2934240 - 06/23/18 11:22 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Joe Muscara]
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I would not mind vsti s of the gemini rhodes and clavinet :-)

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#2934368 - 06/24/18 10:03 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: TomKittel]
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Originally Posted By: TomKittel
Maybe Guido will finally deliver on his long-standing promise about a 2.0 Update for the VB3 VSTi?

Looks like your right based on the last Facebook post.

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#2934389 - 06/24/18 12:54 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ZefrKeys]
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Originally Posted By: ZefrKeys
Originally Posted By: TomKittel
Maybe Guido will finally deliver on his long-standing promise about a 2.0 Update for the VB3 VSTi?

Looks like your right based on the last Facebook post.


He's certainly enjoying the rollout!
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#2934491 - 06/25/18 06:54 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: t9cstudio]
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A fresh coat of paint:

https://www.facebook.com/GenuineSoundwar...e=3&theater

Now - I wonder if it will have any new tricks versus VB3 Crumar Edition.

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#2934497 - 06/25/18 07:18 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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I doubt he would have taken the time to invest in a GUI with all new artwork if it wasn't going to be his newest and best version of VB3. This stuff takes time and $.
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#2934585 - 06/25/18 02:22 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I don't know if this link works, but it's VB3-II working on a Mac in MainStage!!!

https://www.facebook.com/GenuineSoundwar...e=3&theater

shocked love drool

Grazie, Guido!!!
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#2934588 - 06/25/18 02:32 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Joe Muscara]
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I don't know if this link works, but it's VB3-II working on a Mac in MainStage!!!

https://www.facebook.com/GenuineSoundwar...e=3&theater

shocked love drool

Grazie, Guido!!!


Damn straight. Here's to ZioGuido, a scholar and gentleman for getting this done!



Edited by ElmerJFudd (06/25/18 02:35 PM)
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#2934590 - 06/25/18 02:44 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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This is great news! Thank you Guido.
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#2934607 - 06/25/18 04:18 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Al Quinn]
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I double, triple that!

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#2934609 - 06/25/18 05:43 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: drawback]
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I have been a critic of Guido's decision to ditch development of VB3 as a 64 bit AU back in 2013. At that time he had outsourced development of the VB3-2 GUI to a third party who didn't deliver and with the Crumar hardware line kicking off VB3-2 took a back seat.

Looking forward to the release of the new AU version. If there is upgrade pricing from VB3 1.4 great, if not I will be happy to pay full price. I much prefer modelled VI's to sampled so expect VB3 2 will replace B-5 as my go to B3 AU.
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#2934641 - 06/25/18 11:10 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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#2934651 - 06/26/18 02:44 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: EscapeRocks]
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#2934677 - 06/26/18 06:35 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogholic]
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. . . and it's official:

https://www.facebook.com/GenuineSoundwar...e=3&theater

Guido says in the comments that the sound engine is at parity with the organ engine in the Mojo 61. I was hoping for something a little extra!

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#2934685 - 06/26/18 07:04 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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I would take that sound engine! Hard to improve on that....


Edited by HammondDave (06/26/18 07:16 AM)
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#2934688 - 06/26/18 07:18 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
I would take that sound engine! Hard to improve on that....


The Mojo 61's Leslie sim bugged me when I had one briefly, so I was hoping for a new Leslie sim, at least. Since it was released, Acousticsamples B5 v2 has replaced VB3 1.4 in my rig. I'm looking forward to A/Bing B5 v2 and VB3 v2.

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#2934698 - 06/26/18 07:56 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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Eagerly waiting for this!
I hope we get a decent "upgrade" price, as I havent fired up VB3 for years (since my mac went 64 bit).
Let's see...
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#2934700 - 06/26/18 08:06 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
Eagerly waiting for this!
I hope we get a decent "upgrade" price, as I havent fired up VB3 for years (since my mac went 64 bit).
Let's see...


In a Facebook comment, Guido says that he will announce upgrade pricing next week.

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#2934703 - 06/26/18 08:23 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogman1]
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Plenty of VB3 users, including me, also spent a further $99 buying 32 Lives to keep 1.4 running. Plus my time invested in debugging 32 Lives when it was first released to get rid of the CPU spikes.

But it is now 6 years since I bought 1.4 for $79 so not bothered whatever the pricing is. However now there is B-5 and Blue 3 in the market priced at $99 each so winning back ex 1.4 users means the pricing has to be competitive.
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#2934705 - 06/26/18 08:33 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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Me too with the 32 Lives. I toyed with the idea of switching to another emulation, being so thoroughly annoyed at the feeling that we Mac users had been thrown to the wayside. Fact is, none of the others easily gave me the low-register, wooden percussion 'thunk' that Emerson got me hooked on.

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#2934723 - 06/26/18 10:27 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Bobby, you are spot on when you mention Keith.
If it weren't for him, I'd have stopped playing years ago...
He was the master of sound and playing, for sure...
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#2934772 - 06/26/18 01:59 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogman1]
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Does this mean Crumar Mojo's will be upgradable to this new version or are we talking just a software release to run on computers?

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#2934774 - 06/26/18 02:05 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: mchnyc]
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since nothing has been officially announced yet there is no way of knowing at this present time.
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#2934778 - 06/26/18 02:12 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: mchnyc]
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Originally Posted By: mchnyc
Does this mean Crumar Mojo's will be upgradable to this new version or are we talking just a software release to run on computers?

Matt


According to Guido's Facebook comment (see my post above), the VB3-II VI is the same engine as is currently running in the Mojo (VB3-CE - Crumar Edition).

I'm not sure how he will handle future updates to the two platforms.

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#2934799 - 06/26/18 05:37 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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Hopefully any updates to Mojo VB3 will come to VB3-II and vice versa. I would imagine it would be "easy" for Guido to keep the same code engine for all the versions. If I'm right, this would be great news for all of his customers.
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#2934824 - 06/26/18 08:42 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Hopefully any updates to Mojo VB3 will come to VB3-II and vice versa. I would imagine it would be "easy" for Guido to keep the same code engine for all the versions.


Totally, because everything about software is as easy as it should be, right Guido? wink
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#2934925 - 06/27/18 10:57 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Josh Paxton]
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Originally Posted By: Josh Paxton
Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Hopefully any updates to Mojo VB3 will come to VB3-II and vice versa. I would imagine it would be "easy" for Guido to keep the same code engine for all the versions.


Totally, because everything about software is as easy as it should be, right Guido? wink
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(I did put "easy" in quotes for a reason. wink )
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#2935489 - 07/01/18 05:43 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Joe Muscara]
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VB3 II now available.
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#2935510 - 07/01/18 08:31 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Link to VB3 II HERE

Manual also available on the page.

BTW it would read better if Guido had someone sub edit the text before publication.
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#2935517 - 07/01/18 08:45 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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That's $117.04 for us Yanks.
$87.78 if you have a license already.
Fair enough.
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#2935523 - 07/01/18 09:06 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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VB3 II now available.


Nice! It even means I can extend the life even more, if needed, of the original Hamichord (4 sets of drawbars and interface similar to B3 for those that do not know) I still have (first one shipped to American continent from original company BJ's) vintage 2007-2008 that ran originally the B4 and STILL in it too!!

Of course, right now it is not necessary. Its been updated since 2008. I can sometime, if I want, rebuild the Hamichord with a faster board and use the new software release license (after purchase). I could run the Hamichord as a controller (has that feature and has the 11-pin just added to the Mojo) and use a Surface Pro 4 (sorry iPad owners (lots here) as you struggle to run 'lite' pianos on the big iPhone). Using a Surface Pro 4 (i7 ridiculously fast, and thin-512GB SSD), I can use the USB to run my own high-end USB sound device (currently Focusrite, in the USB3 port). As long as the PCB boards are good (not speaking of the Windows Embedded) the Hamichord is a no-brainer and good to go indefinitely JUST like the original advertising said more than 10 years ago. Midi PCBs fail someday, then it needs some work but doable.

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#2935638 - 07/01/18 08:23 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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VB3 II now available.


Been playing with the demo. Nice!! Seamlessly working in Mainstage and GigPerformer as a 64bit AU.

Will be buying shortly.

More reports later I will be doing A-B testing with VB3II Leslie sim, and the awesome T-Racks5 Leslie
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#2935665 - 07/01/18 10:54 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Checking it our right now. First impressions are that the Leslie is more advanced and natural feeling; tonally, I'm not yet convinced it will sit in a mix as well as the original 1.4 version. So far, it reminds me a tad of the UVI B5 organ in that it sounds great on its own but does come through great in a mix. Again, this is just for me personally and YMMV.
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#2935669 - 07/01/18 11:28 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: yamarolorg]
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Also just checking it out right now- I have two keyboards set up as the upper and lower manuals, respectively. I have noticed with VB3 II that percussion is activated on both manuals, and if you hold a chord on either manual the percussion doesn't respond- i.e. holding a chord on the lower manual robs percussion from the upper manual. In comparison, Blue3 seems to be working as it should. A VB3 II bug perhaps?

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#2935675 - 07/02/18 12:15 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
VB3 II now available.


The pricing model seems to be simple: VB3-II is two times VB3-I plus tax.

The upgrade price for VB3-I owners is hefty imho. I am not sure if the upgrade is twice as good as VB3-I which was 49 bucks... checking it out right now. The new GUI is nice and more user-friendly for sure. And so far I can say that VB3-II through MVintage Rotary sounds awesome. But this was already true for VB3-I. The internal VB3-II rotary sim still doesn't match up to MVintage rotary.

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#2935676 - 07/02/18 02:04 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Also just checking it out right now- I have two keyboards set up as the upper and lower manuals, respectively. I have noticed with VB3 II that percussion is activated on both manuals, and if you hold a chord on either manual the percussion doesn't respond- i.e. holding a chord on the lower manual robs percussion from the upper manual. In comparison, Blue3 seems to be working as it should. A VB3 II bug perhaps?
are you sure you set it up correctly with the MIDI channels ? Sounds like both your keyboards are directed to the upper manual. I did not try the vst but I have a gemini ( hardware ) module

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#2935692 - 07/02/18 05:19 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Also just checking it out right now- I have two keyboards set up as the upper and lower manuals, respectively. I have noticed with VB3 II that percussion is activated on both manuals, and if you hold a chord on either manual the percussion doesn't respond- i.e. holding a chord on the lower manual robs percussion from the upper manual. In comparison, Blue3 seems to be working as it should. A VB3 II bug perhaps?


Please share your findings with the developer. He'll look to replicate behavior and decide if it's a bug. If so, he'll fix.
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#2935696 - 07/02/18 06:26 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: sosho]
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Originally Posted By: sosho
Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Also just checking it out right now- I have two keyboards set up as the upper and lower manuals, respectively. I have noticed with VB3 II that percussion is activated on both manuals, and if you hold a chord on either manual the percussion doesn't respond- i.e. holding a chord on the lower manual robs percussion from the upper manual. In comparison, Blue3 seems to be working as it should. A VB3 II bug perhaps?
are you sure you set it up correctly with the MIDI channels ? Sounds like both your keyboards are directed to the upper manual.


was my first thought, Marzzz. Make sure your bottom keyboard is set to receive on MIDI Channel 2 only.
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#2935701 - 07/02/18 06:53 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davedoerfler]
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I have the channels reversed because my lower keyboard is my "main" controller- so the lower controller transmits on MIDI channel 1, and the upper controller transmits on MIDI channel 2. I also changed the settings in VB3 to correspond. I can confirm that when I play the upper controller, it plays the upper manual on VB3, and the lower controller plays the corresponding manual on VB3.

What I hear is percussion on BOTH manuals, and holding any notes on either manual robs the percussion, which would be the normal behavior on a normally working organ (or software emulation) on the upper manual only.

Finally, I also have Blue3, and this setup works completely normally in that software- percussion on upper manual only.

So, I think this may be a bug. I am going to reassign the controllers to a more conventional setup (upper controller MIDI channel 1, lower MIDI channel 2) and see if it makes a difference.

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#2935703 - 07/02/18 07:00 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: TomKittel]
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The upgrade price for VB3-I owners is hefty imho. I am not sure if the upgrade is twice as good as VB3-I which was 49 bucks... checking it out right now. The new GUI is nice and more user-friendly for sure.


Putting version I and II side by side, I'm nowhere near enough of an organ player to appreciate or hear major differences in stock presets. I do appreciate the work that's gone into the UI overhaul and the tweak pages, but these are secondary concerns for me. For nearly the same scratch, I can pick up Blue3 for a more aggressive sound.

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#2935707 - 07/02/18 07:10 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: johnchop]
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Although it as been my organ of choice since it's arrival, the main weaknesses in VB3 1 (to my ears) were the rotary sim and the overdrive. Neither were horrible by any means; both had room for improvement.
I look forward to reading comments from those who take the plunge.
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#2935798 - 07/02/18 12:47 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
What I hear is percussion on BOTH manuals

I think this may be a bug.
Guido confirmed it is a bug and will fix it on the next update. Thanks, Guido!

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#2935866 - 07/02/18 07:53 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Marzzz]
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Just upgraded.
Running demo while patiently awaiting the activation codes.
VB3 was my go-to Hammond emulation until Mac went 64 bit.
Been using the Logic Vintage B3 ever since.
But I do like the tone of the new VB3 II so, boom, got it.
Will report back once I put it thru its paces; but initailly I can say it sounds pretty nice.
A little different than the Apple Vintage B3.
What a great world! To be able to have all of these choices!!!
OK, back to practicing..... wink
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#2935909 - 07/03/18 08:16 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogman1]
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In a word...pretty incredible!

Just scratching the surface but new distortion/overdrive is great.

Trying to figure out how to organize the presets...a little "clunky"...
but overall this will be a fun addition to my arsenal!

I'm also going to try to configure my Electro 5D as a controller for it.

Though I love the organ sound of my Electro for most gigs, when the extra grind and distortion is needed, I will press VB3 II into action.
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#2936162 - 07/04/18 04:06 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: analogman1]
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Downloaded it a few days ago and put it through the paces just now. I won't be buying it, but I think it's a good choice for someone who doesn't have a hardware clonewheel, as it's probably the closest yet in timbre overall.

Where it falls down, in my mind, is in the signal processing, as well as the interaction of the tonewheels, which doesn't seem authentic to me (i.e. complex enough to match a real Hammond). In a dense mix, it wouldn't be noticed though.

The drive gets really dark and grungy fairly quickly. I don't find the reverb usable either as it muddies up the image. Vibrato sounds too static to me, but the chorus is pretty well done.

The percussion is the biggest weakness to these ears though -- no matter how much I tweaked it, I couldn't dial it in to anything that sounded Hammond-like to me, even accounting for differences between models and individual units.

As I said though, the timbre itself is quite nice, and I like that aspect of it better than Blue or B-5 (or even NI's canceled B4). It's a bit more warm and open even than the XK-1, but of course not the new XK-5 (which is king).

The rotary is decent enough, but I didn't thoroughly go through its settings as I'm happy enough with downstream rotary effects in my possession.

Good interface overall, and light on the CPU as well. This is a big step up from the previous edition and is priced well at roughly $100. If I had a need, I'd buy it, but I would only do so if it was BETTER than hardware organs currently on the market. I'm too much into the tactile feel of an actual organ keybed to give that up.
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#2936293 - 07/05/18 10:03 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I will probably get it because I like to keep my apps updated. To be honest, I was not initially blown away by the improvements when I played with the demo version last night, I need to spend some more time with it.

Nevertheless, I have always felt that VB3.1 was one of the best bargains to come my way, and I'm happy to pay into a job well done.
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#2936455 - 07/06/18 08:30 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I bought VB3 II last night and played it for a while this morning. I think it sounds great! It's my favorite software B3. Hammond was the weak link in my laptop rig so I'm really happy with this upgrade.

Great job, Guido! Thank you smile
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#2936458 - 07/06/18 08:39 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Al Quinn]
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#2936476 - 07/06/18 10:05 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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Originally Posted By: davinwv
Guido has posted a couple of Youtube demos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY02tEXXpj4&t=0s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUkB9Mtg-Ww&t=0s

Too much of that overdrive does not do a patch any favors. Everything else sounds pretty good.
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#2936484 - 07/06/18 10:34 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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In case Guido was/is considering this I wish VB3-II mapped to the XK-3C as a controller. Each XK-3C drawbar in a set (Upper/Lower/Pedal) is assigned the same CC# but only transmits a small unique range of values to distinguish one from the other. VB3-II appeared to handle this by allowing a min and max value for each drawbar ...but not quite.

The bigger issue is that almost all the other XK-3C buttons/switches use NRPNs which are not recognized in VB3-II cry.



unlike B5 which maps perfectly poke

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#2937222 - 07/10/18 06:38 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
In case Guido was/is considering this I wish VB3-II mapped to the XK-3C as a controller. Each XK-3C drawbar in a set (Upper/Lower/Pedal) is assigned the same CC# but only transmits a small unique range of values to distinguish one from the other. VB3-II appeared to handle this by allowing a min and max value for each drawbar ...but not quite.

The bigger issue is that almost all the other XK-3C buttons/switches use NRPNs which are not recognized in VB3-II cry.


I don't own an XK-3C, but the MIDI implementation section in the manual suggests that there are also separate CC#'s (12-20, 21-29, 33/35) for upper, lower, and pedals, as well as the grouped CC#'s. So if the XK-3C is transmitting on two different CC's for each drawbar movement, that might confuse the VB3 'learn' mode and you might have to set the CC#'s manually. As for the buttons/switches, I found the MIDI implementation a bit unclear. If you're on Windows, I'd download the free tool MIDI-OX to monitor the MIDI messages and double check that the switches are not also trasmitting CC's. If you're stuck with NRPN's, I believe you should be able to use MIDI-OX + MIDI Yoke or Bome MIDI Translator Classic to map them to CC's. I haven't tried mapping NRPNs with those apps so I'm not 100% sure.

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#2937224 - 07/10/18 07:18 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: ZefrKeys]
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Too much of that overdrive does not do a patch any favors.


Maybe, but just the right amount is remarkably accurate in getting the sound of hitting tubes hard. I'm finding the GUI a little clumsy, but the sound is impressive. I've always found these VIs and even the earlier available clonewheels were ok for getting what I'd call that "Jazz organ" sound, but not up to snuff for blues, R&B or rock. B5 was the first to hold my ear. VB3 is at that level imho.
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#2937233 - 07/10/18 09:49 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Steve Nathan]
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GG Audio put out a message today on Facebook and Twitter that they’re hard at work finishing up V2 of Blue3.

Got to love competition...

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#2937251 - 07/11/18 03:19 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: funkyhammond]
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Originally Posted By: funkyhammond


I don't own an XK-3C, but the MIDI implementation section in the manual suggests that there are also separate CC#'s (12-20, 21-29, 33/35) for upper, lower, and pedals, as well as the grouped CC#'s. So if the XK-3C is transmitting on two different CC's for each drawbar movement, that might confuse the VB3 'learn' mode and you might have to set the CC#'s manually. As for the buttons/switches, I found the MIDI implementation a bit unclear. If you're on Windows, I'd download the free tool MIDI-OX to monitor the MIDI messages and double check that the switches are not also trasmitting CC's. If you're stuck with NRPN's, I believe you should be able to use MIDI-OX + MIDI Yoke or Bome MIDI Translator Classic to map them to CC's. I haven't tried mapping NRPNs with those apps so I'm not 100% sure.


Thanks - those drawbar CCs are receive only. You have to use the "multiplexed" CCs (80,81,82) for transmit iirc. Reaper also has some extensions (mini-VSTs?) that allow converting NRPNs to CCs. But you need a bunch of them which can only be done by stacking up multiple VSTs - not very elegant and doesn't address the drawbar limitation. Also converting the Chorus/Vibe knob is another tricky one. I helped Arnie (AcousticSamples B5 developer) out a bit with all this last year but I don't remember the specifics.

I realize the demand for making the XK-3C fully compatible with VB3-II is extremely low so I'm not surprised it's not implemented. Just didn't want Guido and company to think there was zero interest if they were considering it. Thanks for your reply funkyhammond.

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#2937256 - 07/11/18 03:56 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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The Hammond implementation of drawbar midi is designed to suit their purposes and frees up CC for other functions.

In addition to B-5 which now supports the XK series with a custom mapped template Apple has provided a custom XK/SK template for their Vintage B3 for some years.

I doubt that GSI considers HS to be niche player in the clonewheel world not worthy of a custom template. On OSX GSI is re-entering the market, competing with the free, for users of MainStage and Logic Vintage B3 AU, and B-5, a similar sounding quality AU with the same price is going to be harder on OSX a without providing matching controller templates.
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#2937266 - 07/11/18 05:07 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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I have Vintage B3, Blue 3, B5, and now VB3II. To my ears the sound engine of VB3II (including CV) is the best of the bunch. Previous to VB3II, B5 had fared best on gigs.

I don't love VB3II's overdrive or Leslie sim, although they're certainly very good / useable. I use a Vent 2 and Tall & Fat with my Mojo to improve the sound. For VB3II I'm using L'otory as a Leslie sim improvement. Still need to figure how to improve the overdrive via software but I only use a touch of overdrive so it's not a pressing issue. The VB3II / L'otary combo is the first virtual Hammond that I love playing!
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#2937280 - 07/11/18 06:44 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Al Quinn]
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Just listened to the L'otary demo, that sounds very good!
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#2937302 - 07/11/18 07:54 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I heard about L'otary from Steve Nathan who had some involvement with it's development. There's more detail in Steve's L'otary tread if you're interested:

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2872616/1
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#2937308 - 07/11/18 08:17 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I have L'otary and Melda MVintage. Both are good but in a live setting the difference between them and the B-5 rotary and overdrive is not worth the complication of running two AU's, L'otary in particular is a CPU hog, and mapping the mod wheel, overdrive etc. to a second AU.

The fizzy transistor like overdrive in VB3 1.4 was the one things I disliked. I was hoping that II might have got closer to the valve like warmth which the B-5 rotary sim offers.
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#2937346 - 07/11/18 10:13 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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I had always liked the tone of VB3, but was dismayed when Guido discontinued support for Mac. I went with Blue3 when it came out, and I did notice personally that I was pulling back on the distortion and organ sound artifacts quite a bit on the presets. However, I was able to do that early Yes Tony Kaye organ tone quite well with Blue3. I am going to look forward to having a lot of fun combining VB3 II and Blue3. Now to dust off Lotary...

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#2937463 - 07/11/18 10:36 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I helped Arnie (AcousticSamples B5 developer) out a bit with all this last year but I don't remember the specifics.


Ah, so that's why the B5 maps perfectly. smile

Right, so I was looking at the second table and didn't pay attention to the first table that shows that the CCs are receive only. Out of curiosity, what is the "drawbar limitation" that you are referring to that still wouldn't be solved mapping the NRPNs to CCs?

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#2937486 - 07/12/18 04:09 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: funkyhammond]
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Originally Posted By: funkyhammond
Out of curiosity, what is the "drawbar limitation" that you are referring to that still wouldn't be solved mapping the NRPNs to CCs?


Unless I'm misunderstanding something the drawbars don't send NRPNs, only CC 80, 81 or 82.

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#2937565 - 07/12/18 10:20 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Unless I'm misunderstanding something the drawbars don't send NRPNs, only CC 80, 81 or 82.


Yes, sorry, it was late and I replied without thinking. What I meant to say is that the MIDI software tools I mentioned should allow you to create separate rules to split the "multiplexed" CC ranges to separate CCs with new value ranges. I'm just not sure if both Bome and MIDI-OX will handle the separate issue of NRPNs for the switches. Bome MIDI Translator is a more feature-rich tool and might be better. I've mostly used the free MIDI-OX. But I actually do most of my MIDI mapping using a couple MIDI Solutions hardware boxes: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

The nice thing I have found with using solutions like this (whether hardware or software) is that I am then good-to-go no matter what new instrument (virtual or real) I want to trigger with some older or quirky gear. I'm not relying on developers to make sure to support whatever I'm using as a controller.

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#2937619 - 07/12/18 01:47 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: funkyhammond]
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Originally Posted By: funkyhammond

Yes, sorry, it was late and I replied without thinking. What I meant to say is that the MIDI software tools I mentioned should allow you to create separate rules to split the "multiplexed" CC ranges to separate CCs with new value ranges.


No worries and understood.

Originally Posted By: funkyhammond

I'm just not sure if both Bome and MIDI-OX will handle the separate issue of NRPNs for the switches. Bome MIDI Translator is a more feature-rich tool and might be better. I've mostly used the free MIDI-OX. But I actually do most of my MIDI mapping using a couple MIDI Solutions hardware boxes: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

The nice thing I have found with using solutions like this (whether hardware or software) is that I am then good-to-go no matter what new instrument (virtual or real) I want to trigger with some older or quirky gear. I'm not relying on developers to make sure to support whatever I'm using as a controller.


I've never used Midi Translator and only use Midi-Ox for troubleshooting. I wasn't aware that it allows this type translation but just briefly glanced at the Data Mapping function now - pretty cool! But I prefer to work inside Reaper and neither program appears to be VST. I do however share your sentiment regarding independent solutions to these type problems.

If I was really ambitious (or bored) I could probably learn to modify one of the extensions in Reaper (they're all editable/ re-savable code written in C++). I was starting to do just this to modify a couple of mapped switch functions in B5 and then got into something else. But I'd much prefer to work within Reaper than use a second program or worse a hardware gadget - especially since B5 already provides the translation. I run through real Leslies and therefore suspect the differences between B5 and VB3-II are pretty small. But for the small price I'd still upgrade if it had the translation.

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#2938554 - 07/19/18 11:51 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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VB3-II v1.0.1 is now available - here is the change log:

July 19, 2018 - Version 1.0.1

- Added global setting "Lower Octave Up if Split" to shift lower manual by one octave when the split function is active
- The MIDI CC assigned to the Rotary Speed lever now accepts values <32 for Slow, >95 for Fast and in the middle for Stop
- Added functions to the FILES Menu for resetting the whole Bank or restoring the factory Bank
- Responds to MIDI "All Notes Off" message (CC #123, value 0)
- Changed mouse response to the Program label: left-click for opening the Program list, right click for editing the Program name
- Fixed problem with upper manual responding on both channels 1 and 2 when swapping upper and lower channels
- Fixed problem with editing windows not appearing on the foreground in some hosts under OSX
- Fixed problem with the Program list not being downloaded correctly by some hosts


Edited by davinwv (07/19/18 11:51 AM)

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#2939253 - 07/24/18 02:05 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: davinwv]
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Ok, so after a couple of weeks of eq'ing,tweaking and fiddling about, I pulled the trigger and bought the software. The only thing I find a little weak to my ears is the "drive". I primarily play jazz organ so this thing works quite well for me.
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#2939301 - 07/24/18 08:19 PM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: funkyhammond

Yes, sorry, it was late and I replied without thinking. What I meant to say is that the MIDI software tools I mentioned should allow you to create separate rules to split the "multiplexed" CC ranges to separate CCs with new value ranges.


No worries and understood.

Originally Posted By: funkyhammond

I'm just not sure if both Bome and MIDI-OX will handle the separate issue of NRPNs for the switches. Bome MIDI Translator is a more feature-rich tool and might be better. I've mostly used the free MIDI-OX. But I actually do most of my MIDI mapping using a couple MIDI Solutions hardware boxes: http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm

The nice thing I have found with using solutions like this (whether hardware or software) is that I am then good-to-go no matter what new instrument (virtual or real) I want to trigger with some older or quirky gear. I'm not relying on developers to make sure to support whatever I'm using as a controller.


I've never used Midi Translator and only use Midi-Ox for troubleshooting. I wasn't aware that it allows this type translation but just briefly glanced at the Data Mapping function now - pretty cool! But I prefer to work inside Reaper and neither program appears to be VST. I do however share your sentiment regarding independent solutions to these type problems.

If I was really ambitious (or bored) I could probably learn to modify one of the extensions in Reaper (they're all editable/ re-savable code written in C++). I was starting to do just this to modify a couple of mapped switch functions in B5 and then got into something else. But I'd much prefer to work within Reaper than use a second program or worse a hardware gadget - especially since B5 already provides the translation. I run through real Leslies and therefore suspect the differences between B5 and VB3-II are pretty small. But for the small price I'd still upgrade if it had the translation.


You’d really like the Bome Box loaded with MIDI Translator projects.
Even has WiFi/Wireless data streams.
MIDI Solutions are great too.
But no presets, you’d have to reprogram functions via the software.
Funny how MIDI still rules after 30+ years.
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#2939315 - 07/25/18 01:03 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: hardware]
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So I spent the better part of last Saturday playing with the VB3-II demo, and I hate to say it, but after years of waiting I’m not blown away. Even though Guido’s organ modeling is top-notch and the Leslie is fantastic, the overdrive and cabinets have always been a weak point with VB3, and version 2 does little to make me a believer.

VB3s overdrive just gets too piercing and buzzy in higher gain. Above 50% it just sounds thin, and below 40% it doesn’t really offer that nice grinding “purring” (I think of it as a Geiger counter) that I really look for in a good overdrive/rotary sound. It almost sounds like a DI’d overdrive, without the help of the acoustic box to soften the edges. The main reason I always chose B4 over VB3 was NI offered multiple cabinet models. I don't think there's a "perfect cabinet" for everyone. It's good to be able to select something that fits your sound/style. If I were shopping for a hardware Leslie, I'd like try out a few different years and see which one felt best to me. VB3s doesn't grab me. B5's even less. B4 has some that feel good, and Melda's blow me away.

I'm sticking with B4-II for live use (32Lives through MainStage), and have been hoping for a 64bit AU to blow it away. For studio I use B5 through Melda Vintage Rotary. B5 plays like a dream, but its Leslie sounds very dead to my ears, and Melda is fantastic. This is the holy grail, but it's not a great solution for live.

So *sigh*, still no perfect organ/leslie combo across the board. I’ll keep waiting.

PS: Does the Mojo use the same exact DSP as VB3-2? I’m considering getting a clone wheel for the purpose of having a dedicated organ since about half time gigging these days are on B3. But if VB3-2 didn’t impress me, I’m having second thoughts. Maybe I’d prefer the Viscount Solo? Unfortunately I’m in Honolulu, so no place to try any of these out.
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#2939317 - 07/25/18 01:18 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: Markay]
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Originally Posted By: Markay
I have L'otary and Melda MVintage. Both are good but in a live setting the difference between them and the B-5 rotary and overdrive is not worth the complication of running two AU's, L'otary in particular is a CPU hog, and mapping the mod wheel, overdrive etc. to a second AU.

The fizzy transistor like overdrive in VB3 1.4 was the one things I disliked. I was hoping that II might have got closer to the valve like warmth which the B-5 rotary sim offers.


You just outlined pretty much all my thoughts. I actually did get B5/Melda running in MainStage, and I use it for one side band. It took some doing, I had to remap a number of controllers and use an external Aux channel for the Leslie, but it's a good solution. Unfortunately, I tried inserting into the project I use for my main working band (about 250+ patches), and it did not play nicely. Just had some weird conflicts, and a few times the whole thing threatened to crash, so I just switched back to B4.

I'm just not a fan of the B5 rotary itself. I just can't get a nice thick grinding rock rotor. By comparison, VB3 does get really high gain, but it's hissy, not grinding. But B5s dry organ sound is simply gorgeous, and the UI is fantastic to boot. Lol, as usual, Melda's interface looks like it was designed by a 4-year-old, but man does it sound good. Wish those two would just get busy and make beautiful tonewheel babies together!
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#2939319 - 07/25/18 01:40 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: EricBarker]
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Could people please be more specific about B5 or B5 V2 (even V2.02)
Because the leslie sim on V2 is much better than the original B5 and so is the total package.
To me nothing beats B5 V2.02 for authentic organ sounds.
The new IK Multimedia AmpliTube and T-rackS leslie sim's have raised the bar.
I personally don't have it yet , but some trustworthy experts (Jim Alfredson) have claimed exactly that . ( about IK leslie sim)


Edited by vanderSchoot (07/25/18 01:42 AM)

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#2939321 - 07/25/18 02:15 AM Re: GSi - something is going to happen [Re: vanderSchoot]
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Sorry, I'm using B5v2. Yes, the v2 Leslie sim is a huge improvement over V1, as they were actually made by Acoustic Samples, v1s were just UVIs built-in effects. But it still doesn't sound the way I want it, particularly at high gain. I often go for a very "grinding" overdriven Leslie sound, and B5v2 just can't get it. I've spent hours going through all the cab models and settings, but it doesn't click the way B4-II and Melda do.

I'll be interested in checking out the new IK sims. The old ones sounded great, but had no amp and the speed accell/decel were the slowest I've EVER HEARD, hardware or software, which kind of killed it for me. I didn't realize IK had new ones coming.
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