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#2927877 - 05/19/18 08:23 AM Dickey Betts
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Dickey Betts opens his tour featuring a reunion in Allman Brothers fashion

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/dickey-betts-jaimoe-whipping-post/


Edited by DocPate (05/19/18 08:24 AM)

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#2927890 - 05/19/18 09:06 AM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: DocPate]
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I don't know what to think. Last time I saw him play it was sad.

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#2927941 - 05/19/18 01:26 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: mikesr1963]
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I think I know what you mean, Mike.
There have definitely been some periods when DB was outta it, either performance-wise or attitudinally.
Sadly, recent evidence (besides the clip at the link Doc gave) suggests there may have come to be some cognitive/physical ailments that have caught up to him.
This clip better depicts his physical condition.


Should he retire ?
I dunno...he (& JJJ) may really need the income.

I think it's important to remember that he has composed some very respectable music that stepped outside the range of most of his contemporaries, even, sometimes, his primary playing partners...who, in fact, owed their longevity to his drive in keeping the Allman Bros Band going in the wake of events of the early 1970s.



Actually in some ways this one's even more interesting, at times both jazzier & funkier than the orig versions.

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#2927984 - 05/19/18 05:17 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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Nice I have a friend who does lead guitar for the Allman Bros tribute band called Live At The Fillmore liveatthefillmoreband.com/ he saw the show either live or somehow. he said that there were mistakes but he enjoyed it. If they ever get down your way go see them. They do a great tribute set.
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#2927986 - 05/19/18 05:35 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: desertbluesman]
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From my friend Lou Maresca the lead guitarist for Live At The Fillmore Band.

Well, for any of y'all who care to hear what I think or feel...
I watched Dickey Betts perform live from Macon, GA.
'king amazing.
Yeah, there were mistakes. Who cares?
Yeah, the timing wasn't always on the money. So What?
It was a family picnic.
That's what people don't get.
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#2928097 - 05/20/18 11:58 AM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: desertbluesman]
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Personally, got nothing but respect for DB (see above) but several clips I've seen of him in the past few yrs suggest he's maybe got some probs going beyond temporary.
I'd love to be wrong.
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#2928618 - 05/22/18 05:35 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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Man, that just hurts my heart brother.

Originally Posted By: d
I think I know what you mean, Mike.
There have definitely been some periods when DB was outta it, either performance-wise or attitudinally.
Sadly, recent evidence (besides the clip at the link Doc gave) suggests there may have come to be some cognitive/physical ailments that have caught up to him.
This clip better depicts his physical condition.



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#2928631 - 05/22/18 06:56 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: mikesr1963]
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That's too heartbreaking to watch the rest of it. I stopped at 2:30.
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#2928637 - 05/22/18 08:11 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: Sharkman]
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Man, that's painful. Couldn't make it to 2:00. Alzheimer's?
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#2928683 - 05/23/18 02:49 AM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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Made it to a little past 1:00.
That is truly hard to listen to .
It does not one thing to diminish my respect for what he
has accomplished-as d said, his musical vision was vastly beyond
the constraints of his chosen genre. He plays what he loves, but he could
have played anything.
I am also hoping this is not the last word on the state of his playing.
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#2928963 - 05/24/18 06:00 AM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: skipclone 1]
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I didn't watch much of that recent vid I posted above & I hesitate to make any certain ideas abt DB's condition.
It it is true, though, that there are other clips of him, e.g., onstage w/Tedeschi-Trucks band (2K13) indicating that wasn't a one-time situation.
His perf here is much better than the small club party above but still he looks physically troubled even then.
For the explorers amougst us, there are other clips from that show.

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#2929694 - 05/28/18 07:24 AM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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There are several vids of DB from just a couple weeks back showing up on YT.
Haven't checked them out deeply yet but they seem to show him in better condition than the ones I posted above. He seems capable of playing that's both nimble & inventive (although there's also evidence that his pitch bending isn't always accurate).

Here's 1 that shows [4:10~4:40] both the good & the not-so.
Haven't audited the entire clip (in fact, so far just the 1st several minutes) but I find the line 4:26~4:32 particularly cool.


A shortcut list of clips of his most recent perf can be found @ https://www.youtube.com/resultssearch_query=dickey+betts+5%2F17%2F18
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#2929751 - 05/28/18 06:09 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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Being a burnt-out old fart myself, I'm probably more inclined to cut DB a bit more slick than I would others. But even at that, hearing him sing and play now is really sad, and painful.
He had such ability before, both singing and playing. I don't know if the passage of time is the cause, or if he ruined himself with dope & booze. But whichever it is, the Dickie Betts of the Allman Brothers days is gone, or is if that video is any indication.

Goodbye, Dickie. I'm more than sorry to see you so diminished.

This is gonna bum me out for a while.
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#2929752 - 05/28/18 06:48 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: picker]
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Don't let that happen, PPal !

Here's why not---nothing lasts forever except a well-communicated idea.
That cat's an example of someone who rose far above what most ppl in his circumstances did.
Personally I think "Eliz Reed", for example, is one of the canonical compositions of jazz-rock, not just "Southern rock" (a term the SBB disdained) but fully the equal of something from Zappa's catalog.

The fact that his abilities may be diminished (to whatever degree) doesn't undercut what he achieved musically nor does it indicate, regardless of the cause, that any lessened ability is necessarily tragic, no matter how it might look from the outside.
Think of how he may've inspired ppl or what enjoyment he may still derive from playing music.
Consider the ideas he put into the minds of other musicians.
Not to sound all hero-delirious but he may be inspiring some by continuing to play.

There are often 2 ways to look at situations.
Flip the coin & take a look at the other side.


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#2929755 - 05/28/18 06:59 PM Re: Dickey Betts [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
[b]There are often 2 ways to look at situations.
Flip the coin & take a look at the other side.


I am glad and grateful to have heard him in his prime. What he can and can't do now doesn't diminish what did.

But it's sad to see what has happened to him, all the more so too oldsters like me for whom the distance to diminishment isn't as far away as it once was.
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