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#2922717 - 04/21/18 03:51 PM The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547
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Just found this: The Hill

This is an example of something flying under the radar that never makes it to the mainstream media. It seems to have a lot of support and may well pass. I don't know enough to have an opinion, just FYI.

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#2922733 - 04/21/18 06:45 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Jazzmammal]
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I have my opinions about it...

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#2922782 - 04/22/18 07:35 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: llatham]
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I did as well, but finding that SGA negotiated changes that allowed them to endorse the updated bill has made me okay with it. The fact that the pending Copyright Alternative in Small-Claims Enforcement (CASE) Act of 2017 is also being put forth is really great, too.

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#2923476 - 04/26/18 08:24 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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#2923757 - 04/27/18 04:48 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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From the article:

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The MMA action now heads to the Senate, which will tackle its version of the package next month. At present, there are three individual Senate bills queued for a mid-May hearing by the Senate Judiciary Committee that like the House, the Senate may combine (either into its own version or simply taking up the House version, which is the music industry’s hope. Whatever the means, the basic tenets of the bill are expected to meet little resistance in the Senate, moving in some form to a full vote and then to President’s desk.


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#2923998 - 04/29/18 05:42 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Geoff Grace]
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So in the US something might be done about standard low streaming revenues, easier finding copyright holders for playing songs, some pre-'72 royalties difficulties, and producers, mixers, and sound engineers get better access to standard arrangements of royalties fromtheir products.

To start with the latter: I don't know what that means, isn't that helping re-producers (who don't make music int he traditional sense)?

Also I wonder what the benefits are going to cost. Are people going to pay more for streaming services of higher quality, more advertisements with "new" music videos, if the bill is considered an improvement, who's got to give (more) ?

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#2924112 - 04/29/18 07:01 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Theo Verelst]
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I'm not a fan. If I understand correctly, USA patent and copyright rules were originally designed to give creators / inventors a reasonable time of monopoly on their creations, and then allow the progress to pass into the public domain for others to exploit / enjoy / improve upon. Every few years -- notoriously, usually timed to the next scheduled expiration of Disney's copyright on Mickey Mouse -- Congress extends the monopoly period a little longer, and a little longer.

I'm not sure a recording from 1972 still needs protection.

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#2924123 - 04/29/18 07:38 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Tom Williams]
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Well, I'm not well versed on this bill, so my comments are really only general in nature. I think it's difficult to translate the idea behind patents expiring to creative content. Even patents have to be pretty specific. You can't patent a car, for instance. You could patent some unique new technology that is part of your car, but other people can make cars. In the same way, everybody is free to create their own music - theire's not a patent on Rock, for instance. So I'm a fan of it being a bit more strict because it's much more narrow that it protects a specific song. For those who say, well the artist passed so it doesn't matter anymore - well thst's part of his estate that he built for his children and family. Why should it be taken from them? But I'm with you in Disney. Unfortunately the people who need the least protection get the most and vice versa.

We don't have a brick throwing emoji, how about this? poke


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#2948993 - 09/18/18 06:42 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: J. Dan]
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Senate Passes Music Modernization Act by Unanimous Consent

There's still some work to do, but it's getting really, really close to passing into law.
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#2948994 - 09/18/18 06:49 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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#2949047 - 09/19/18 06:21 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Tom Williams]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Williams

I'm not sure a recording from 1972 still needs protection.


I really waffle, philosophically, on what is reasonable protection for IP ownership. It ought to be somewhere between zero and infinite time, I think. smile


One question for those who understand this better about the bill/article:
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Under the act, sound recording artists and other owners of copyrighted sound recordings could submit “letters of direction” to SoundExchange, authorizing such direct payments [to recording engineers/producers/etc].


Is this something that needed to be written into law? If I'm getting royalties, can't I then already do what I want with that money, including giving some of it to other people who worked on the project? And couldn't I, I don't know, ask my bank to do that automatically when the check arrives? I'm not seeing a problem here that needed to be fixed by legislation.

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#2949138 - 09/19/18 12:56 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: BluMunk]
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Here's a brand new wrinkle that just popped up from the EU:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/e...t-users-1144003

This was just passed by the EU Parliament and it still has a ways to go but man oh man would this change the playing field a lot. This is definitely related to what was just passed here just at a different angle. Google (YouTube), Facebook etc would have to pay royalties to news content creators ie major newspapers and networks plus music? Wow. That sounds good for all the creators but it would basically shut down a whole lot of what most of us like to do online. Considering the EU is about as large an overall market as the US this would be huge. Look at what the EU's new online privacy laws just did.

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#2949147 - 09/19/18 02:56 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Jazzmammal]
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What’s wrong with piano rolls and analog recording? I want to use those.

Edit: not piano rolls, but I want to mix using an analog console one day instead of ITB. Some time I want to record some of my keyboards and synths into my computer too. Why do they want to give people copyrights? They don’t really need copyrights in my opinion.


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#2952539 - 10/11/18 09:40 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Music Bird]
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#2952553 - 10/11/18 10:22 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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So, looks like this is mainly aimed at streaming services (ie Spotify, SiriusXM, Pandora, iHeart Radio, etc) and radio stations. What I wonder is for, say, a recording from the late 1930s or such, how long does the estate get paid for that after a person dies? From my understanding this law pretty much applies to the original recordings, but doesn't increase issues with cover bands etc. Am I right? I don't play in one, just wondering.
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#2952574 - 10/11/18 11:51 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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President Trump just signed it.
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#2952577 - 10/11/18 12:06 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: seanl]
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#2952696 - 10/12/18 06:59 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Joe Muscara]
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'Truly a Historic Moment': Music Business Reacts to Music Modernization Act Becoming Law

BTW, the bill that became law is HR 1551, which you can find here if you want to read the whole thing. It's 66 pages.
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#2952791 - 10/12/18 06:58 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Tom Williams]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Williams
I'm not a fan. If I understand correctly, USA patent and copyright rules were originally designed to give creators / inventors a reasonable time of monopoly on their creations, and then allow the progress to pass into the public domain for others to exploit / enjoy / improve upon. Every few years -- notoriously, usually timed to the next scheduled expiration of Disney's copyright on Mickey Mouse -- Congress extends the monopoly period a little longer, and a little longer.

I'm not sure a recording from 1972 still needs protection.

Okay, let the bricks fly.


I agree totally. If something was created before 1972, good chance that the original creator is dead. Why should the heirs (or worse yet, a corporation) continue to enjoy royalties? If we applied the same logic to patents, we would still be driving Model Ts.
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#2952898 - 10/13/18 05:21 PM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: piano39]
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Lots of people who created before 1972 are still alive. I for one, but I don't think I copyrighted any of my material until 1974. :-)
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#2952937 - 10/14/18 08:52 AM Re: The Music Modernization Act H.R. 5547 [Re: Mighty Motif Max]
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So, looks like this is mainly aimed at streaming services (ie Spotify, SiriusXM, Pandora, iHeart Radio, etc) and radio stations. What I wonder is for, say, a recording from the late 1930s or such, how long does the estate get paid for that after a person dies? From my understanding this law pretty much applies to the original recordings, but doesn't increase issues with cover bands etc. Am I right? I don't play in one, just wondering.


Depends. I don't know the details of the legal processes. But you rarely hear orchestra performances and use age of Gershwin works today because the rights/licenses are too expensive. I guess the cost of usage is set by the estate.


Edited by CEB (10/14/18 08:53 AM)
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