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All right - let's bring this post back to the Seven.

 

Would love to see some gear porn vids of this biotch in action. In the mean time, I found this on Youtube to tide me over. Mmmm....gear porn

 

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That's my dream rig!

 

here you go, just purchase a gemini and here is your dream rig:

 

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/orla-jamkey-controller

That particular unit appears to have no hammer action, though they offer(ed?) one that did. But it's still not the dream rig in the scenario we're talking about, because it doesn't separate. So you always have to take both manuals even when you only need one, plus even when you need two, you're needing to move one heavy piece instead of two lighter ones.

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That's my dream rig!

 

here you go, just purchase a gemini and here is your dream rig:

 

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/keyboards-midi/orla-jamkey-controller

That particular unit appears to have no hammer action, though they offer(ed?) one that did. But it's still not the dream rig in the scenario we're talking about, because it doesn't separate. So you always have to take both manuals even when you only need one, plus even when you need two, you're needing to move one heavy piece instead of two lighter ones.

 

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Must have been such a dream rig, they ran out.

 

I know and this is what poor Guido has to deal with, people bashing him for ridiculous combinations that are only destined for three sales world wide (per Svenny).

 

or Jazz+ who wants to take the B3 out of the Mojo to make room for a piano. I really feel for Guido reading through the crazy on this forum.

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The JamKey is basically a 61/73k version of the DMC-122 but as AnotherScott said, it is not separable and the lower keyboard is not hammer action. If separable, the weight of a TP-40L would not be a hindrance (hint hint).

 

Back to the Seven, it seems fantastic for what it sets out to do...If I did go down this path, though, I'd have to add a set of drawbars (and organ module) on top which means added hassle and loss of that clean look - but that's just me.

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My perception is that Crumar is the axe of choice on this forum for a Hammond clone, and I'm convinced the EPs and clav are better than Nord, but it seems like I read about them all the time in this forum and on Facebook but don't really see them out in the wild very much when I catch the local beer and burger joint bands or touring acts. I see Nords all the time.

 

Same thing with the stuff I own. I don't see many Fortes or Legends out and about on the stages around town. Lots of Big 3 and Nord boards around town.

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My perception is that Crumar is the axe of choice on this forum for a Hammond clone, and I'm convinced the EPs and clav are better than Nord, but it seems like I read about them all the time in this forum and on Facebook but don't really see them out in the wild very much when I catch the local beer and burger joint bands or touring acts. I see Nords all the time.

 

Same thing with the stuff I own. I don't see many Fortes or Legends out and about on the stages around town. Lots of Big 3 and Nord boards around town.

 

I see Legends all the time here in NY when I see Pat Bianchi or Akiko Tsuruga in the smaller clubs....same with Kyle Koehler and the Mojo.

 

I realize Im talking about NY....

When Crumar becomes a stock item in the rental houses, youll see more of them.

Back in the early aughts you didnt see many Nords.... I remember a lot of techs asking me what the red keyboard was.

 

 

 

 

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but don't really see them out in the wild very much when I catch the local beer and burger joint bands or touring acts. I see Nords all the time.

Some factors could be that Nords have wider distribution, possibly easier local servicing, and the Nords can typically serve a wider range of needs (piano, for example), and the Nord Electro has been around for 17 years (far longer than the Mojos), so when you see a Nord on stage, you could easily be looking at a board that's 5 or 10 years old or more. A lot of players don't turn over the gear nearly as much as we nuts do. ;-) Backline companies probably also lean towards stocking big name boards with long pedigrees.

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Crumar is still a very new and tiny company, I'm actually amazed at the success and worldwide distribution they managed to get in such a short time.

 

KeyB is even smaller, though they finally got what looks like a win-win deal with Viscount. Anyway, the Legend came out basically yesterday.

 

It's not logical to compare such tiny enterprises to the Big 3, or even to a boutique company like Nord which anyway has been in the market at least 20 years longer than them.

 

Let the guys do their thing, time will tell if they'll be successful or not.

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A lot of players don't turn over the gear nearly as much as we nuts do.

 

I think you just summed up this entire forum with this statement.

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Must have been such a dream rig, they ran out.

 

I know and this is what poor Guido has to deal with, people bashing him for ridiculous combinations that are only destined for three sales world wide (per Svenny).

 

or Jazz+ who wants to take the B3 out of the Mojo 61 to make room for a piano. I really feel for Guido reading through the crazy on this forum.

 

Talk about false spin...I never said a crazy word about taking the B3 out of the Mojo! There isnt space for the modeled AP so I suggested an option where the user could chose between having the esoteric Farfisa or Vox Combo organ and replace them with the modeled AP. That is not bashing, that is a good idea, imo. I hated the Farfisa and Vox organs 1960s , teeny bopper sounds, back in the days when they were almost all we had and I will never play those awful sounds again.

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The JamKey is basically a 61/73k version of the DMC-122 but as AnotherScott said, it is not separable and the lower keyboard is not hammer action. If separable, the weight of a TP-40L would not be a hindrance (hint hint).

 

The Jamkey Hammer was discussed a while back:

https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2876451/orla_jamkey_weighted_plus_orga

 

The worries about not selling seem to have borne out...

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Must have been such a dream rig, they ran out.

 

I know and this is what poor Guido has to deal with, people bashing him for ridiculous combinations that are only destined for three sales world wide (per Svenny).

 

or Jazz+ who wants to take the B3 out of the Mojo 61 to make room for a piano. I really feel for Guido reading through the crazy on this forum.

 

Talk about false spin...I never said a crazy word about taking the B3 out of the Mojo! There isnt space for the modeled AP so I suggested an option where the user could chose between having the esoteric Farfisa or Vox Combo organ and replace them with the modeled AP. That is not bashing, that is a good idea, imo. I hated the Farfisa and Vox organs 1960s , teeny bopper sounds, back in the days when they were almost all we had and I will never play those awful sounds again.

 

 

Oh, so because YOU hate and dont use the Combo Organs, Guido and Andrea shouls erase them from the board?!

 

Seriously?? on an Organ-centric board?

 

Hate to tell ya, pal, there are those of us who make $$ with clients using those sounds....

furthermore, just because I dont use or like the CP or FM pianos in the Seven, I know there are cats eho NEED those sounds for gigs or recordings and Id NEVER be so presumptuous as to tell Andrea or Guido how to program their instruments.

Plus, if the Combo Organs were good enough for Fela Kuti, Miles and others, they're good enough for me.

 

 

 

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The Crumar Mojo pairs well with the Moto Guzzi In my garage. Boutique Italian brands that draw quizzical looks. For me its a bit of an obsession. An Alfa Romeo would form a trifecta.

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The Crumar Mojo pairs well with the Moto Guzzi In my garage. Boutique Italian brands that draw quizzical looks. For me its a bit of an obsession. An Alfa Romeo would form a trifecta.

Damn! Nice garage!

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The Crumar Mojo pairs well with the Moto Guzzi In my garage. Boutique Italian brands that draw quizzical looks. For me its a bit of an obsession. An Alfa Romeo would form a trifecta.

 

That's a great comparison!

 

But is it as difficult to change the oil/filter in the Seven, as it is on the Guzzi? ;)

 

 

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JimKost, DanL, etc., Jazz+ didn't suggest that Guido remove the other organ sounds in favor of piano, rather he suggested it as a user option. Though personally, I don't see it. A whole bunch of the front panel controls and legends would be off, and it kind of wouldn't be a Mojo anymore. Plus anyone who owns the board bought it knowing what it was; if they really needed a better piano, they'd have bought something else. New additions/enhancements are always welcomed of course, but rarely at the expense of major elements that are already present. So I don't even think there would be such a big demand for such a thing, and more to the point, I don't think it would help him sell very many more Mojo61s, either (even if it were possible, and we have no reason to believe that it is).

 

I also wanted to correct something in an earlier post (too late to edit)... the Numa Stage doesn't have aftertouch.

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Correct, Scott.

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Jazz+ ACTUALLY wrote option to replace in an earlier post, not, offer as a user editable replaceable sound

 

Had he initially wrote the latter instead of the former, I would have not raised the point.

Option to replace makes no sense in the current Mojo architecture. As far as I understand, you can only replace a like instrunent with like. But, I only had 2 days with the Seven and 3 with the first Mojo61.

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JimKost, DanL, etc., Jazz+ didn't suggest that Guido remove the other organ sounds in favor of piano, rather he suggested it as a user option. Though personally, I don't see it. A whole bunch of the front panel controls and legends would be off, and it kind of wouldn't be a Mojo anymore. Plus anyone who owns the board bought it knowing what it was; if they really needed a better piano, they'd have bought something else. New additions/enhancements are always welcomed of course, but rarely at the expense of major elements that are already present. So I don't even think there would be such a big demand for such a thing, and more to the point, I don't think it would help him sell very many more Mojo61s, either (even if it were possible, and we have no reason to believe that it is).

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Very astute observations (as usual) about the Mojo61, AnotherScott.

As far as user replacability, the Mojo is NOT the Nord (and that is not a value judgment, just an observation) so unless theres a v2 with extra DSP and new panel design, its all conjecture.

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