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#2916235 - 03/20/18 10:12 AM Yahama Guitars
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Yahama guitars

I've never played a Yahama guitar and from the price I'm not sure I would have wanted to.

Anyone know if they are worth the price? (SBG Series)

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/guitars_basses/el_guitars/index.html


Edited by DocPate (03/20/18 10:15 AM)

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#2916240 - 03/20/18 10:25 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
Yahama guitars

I've never played a Yahama guitar and from the price I'm not sure I would have wanted to.

Anyone know if they are worth the price? (SBG Series)

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/guitars_basses/el_guitars/index.html


I had one of the original Yamaha SBG Guitars back in the 80's. Damned nice Guitar, and affordable, too. At the prices quoted, I'd fold my money in half and look for a nice used Heritage, or something. Can't imagine how a $500 Guitar line went to 5 Grand, but WTH . . .
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#2916260 - 03/20/18 11:32 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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@WPS. You say "had". Why did you get rid of it?

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#2916269 - 03/20/18 12:03 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: DocPate
Yahama guitars

I've never played a Yahama guitar and from the price I'm not sure I would have wanted to.

Anyone know if they are worth the price? (SBG Series)

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/guitars_basses/el_guitars/index.html


I had one of the original Yamaha SBG Guitars back in the 80's. Damned nice Guitar, and affordable, too. At the prices quoted, I'd fold my money in half and look for a nice used Heritage, or something. Can't imagine how a $500 Guitar line went to 5 Grand, but WTH . . .


Its Yamaha .... They list these MSRP full mark prices that no one sells anything for. I play a pair of Yamaha guitars that they list for $1050 and $980 and you can buy them new all day for $599 and $635 with hardshell cases.
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#2916275 - 03/20/18 12:12 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: CEB]
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So CEB. Tell me how you like Yamaha, which models and why.

I've steered friends and family away from Yamaha in the past but with Gibson's problems and issues with some fender products, I'm seriously looking for alter atives

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#2916280 - 03/20/18 12:24 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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I play 600 Series Pacificas. Sort of a super Strat style guitar. About the same price as a made in Mexico Strat but much better parts. Locking Grover tuners Black Tusq nuts Wilkinson Tremelo bridge, Seymour Duncan pickups. The neck feels like my 71 Strat. I replaced the Seymour Duncan Custom 5 pickups in the bridge because the mids are scooped and replaced them with Duncan 59 Custom Hybrids. In single coil m0ode the sound great because that uses the Custom coil which is basically a true 7.89k single coil pickup. The ones I play feel like Fenders and are nothing like Gibsons. One has a humbucker in the Bridge and a Duncan P90 in the neck the other a humbucker in the bridge and 2 Duncan SSL single coils.


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#2916282 - 03/20/18 12:30 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Can't imagine how a $500 Guitar line went to 5 Grand, but WTH . . .


Ghost built by Gibson?
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I did note the SGBs listed were “individually handcrafted by highly skilled master luthiers”- IOW, these aren’t the mass production SGBs, but custom shop level workmanship.
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#2916287 - 03/20/18 12:35 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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My take on Yamaha guitars in general is that they are well-made with good QC. my $200 or so nylon-stringed classical sounds sweet. The electrics I’ve tried felt good.

If there’s a knock in them, it is perhaps their pickups ar vanilla, or that their aesthetics are slightly off.

Personally, I’d love something from their old SG/new SGB product line, and I think the RevStars are really, really good. Wouldn’t mind one of those, either.
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#2916311 - 03/20/18 03:20 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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I never played a Yamaha guitar either. But I am a big fan of cheapo guitars. With a little TLC you can make a cheapo play as well as any expensive instrument. Sometimes you have to redo the electronics, or file the frets. But as long as the neck is relatively true, you can do wonders with an economy priced instrument.
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#2916348 - 03/20/18 06:19 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: desertbluesman]
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I own a Yamaha 12 string acoustic that I bought in 1981. The tuners are crap, but the rest of the guitar is superb. If someone offered me $1,000 for my guitar, I would smile and say "No thanks, I'd rather keep the guitar."
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#2916364 - 03/20/18 07:07 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Sharkman]
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I've had several Yamaha classical guitars over the years. Very nice for the money, if you're not a pro classical player who can afford several $k for a guitar.
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#2916369 - 03/20/18 07:21 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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When I first opened this thread, I was expecting to read about a Japanese guitar company I had not heard of - Yahama guitars. LOL,

My experience with Yamaha guitars through the years has been uniformly positive. They provide a quality product at a reasonable price (I was not aware that they had models priced over $5,000).

I currently own an LS16M acoustic and it was an incredible value at $700! Solid spruce top and solid mahogany body, fully bound body, neck and headstock. Abalone rosette with an ebony fingerboard and bridge. Excellent quality in a straightforward, no-nonsense acoustic.

I have never played a Yamaha guitar that I didn't like.

Afterthought: You could own a beautiful Heritage solid body for a lot less than $5,000.




Edited by Fred_C (03/20/18 07:23 PM)
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#2916381 - 03/20/18 08:02 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Fred_C]
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I have never played a Yamaha, but I have always read some very good comments from those that have... cool
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#2916422 - 03/21/18 05:02 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Larryz]
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I have to go along with Fred up there.

While never owning one, I've played them in stores and such and too, have had positive reactions to the ones I've played. Plus, I'm seeing more of them offered in FINGERHUT catalogs of late.

And never DID hear one of those SLG200S models they have. Not "up close and personal" anyway.....


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#2916434 - 03/21/18 06:20 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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Back in my college days, some friends had a Yamaha acoustic. I have never forgotten that tone, it was shimmery and clear, like a good Martin. When I found my Seagull, I heard something like that tone again. I pounced on it.
I've played several Pacificas-I didn't go WOW, but they felt solid, sounded fine. I've also had several goes with silent guitars-they do as they are advertised. If neurotic neighbors are a problem I would recommend them.
For the Pacificas, I could have sworn there was a sig model but now I can't seem to find it. Anyway can't comment on their hi-end products but overall their guitars have been solid for a long time.
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#2916443 - 03/21/18 06:55 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: skipclone 1]
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There is a Mike Stern signature model. Around $1,500 with a T-style body.

Yamaha does a nice job of actually giving you a better guitar as you jump up in levels. 100 series vs 200 series vs 400 vs 500 ..... etc. I swear I've played MIM Fenders that have played better than MIAs that cost 2-3x more $$$s.

I really like the Yamaha REVSTAR RS 820CR. The finish really shows fingerprints though.


Edited by CEB (03/21/18 06:57 AM)
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#2916453 - 03/21/18 07:36 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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Originally Posted By: DocPate
@WPS. You say "had". Why did you get rid of it?


Sorry, DocPate, just seeing your question now.

Short answer, I was cycling through Guitars at the time, looking for something, and the SBG wasn't quite it . . .

At various points around that time, I had a pre-CBS Duo-Sonic, a Rick, a Gold-Top LP, The Paul, at least one Strat, a Gordon-Smith (British-made, double-cutaway Mahogany plank, more like a Melody Maker than anything else; general-issue UK Punk Guitar), and a TV Yellow SG Standard: nice enough Guitar, hideous color! Those are the ones I remember offhand, and we're just talking middle to late 80's.

The SBG had elements I liked, the Mahogany body, double cutaway, two HB's. It was like a hybrid SG/LP in many ways, but it leaned a little too far into the LP camp. IIRC, the PU switch was on the upper cutaway, essentially where it would have been on an LP: one feature of the LP design I've never liked. I went back to SG's, albeit heavily customized with after-market parts, and have been very happy with them. The SGB I either sold or traded towards one of the other Guitars I mentioned, but after nearly 40 years, and probably even more Guitars(?), I couldn't hazard a guess.


Edited by Winston Psmith (03/21/18 07:37 AM)
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#2916682 - 03/22/18 08:52 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Is the sound quality good?

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#2916710 - 03/22/18 10:30 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Crovere]
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Is the sound quality good?


The Guitar I had back then (1986-87?) would compare favorably with a current high-end Epiphone model, as best I can recall. No obvious flaws, decent sound, nice playability, just not quite what I wanted at the time.

FWIW, at the time, imported Guitars were still trying to make their way in the U.S. market, so Yamaha couldn't afford to introduce a cheaply-made beater Electric Guitar at the time. Ibanez was making a bit of a stir with models like the Artist, while some players were moving over to "lawsuit" Tokai's and ESP Strats, because they offered high quality at a lower price point than U.S.-made Guitars. Epiphone was just getting ready for a comeback in the late 80's, but they started by bringing out super-cheap Strat-style Guitars with plywood bodies. Yamaha was being pretty bold in trying to introduce something that was neither an exact copy of an existing model, nor a cheap 'starter' Guitar, but an affordable player's quality instrument.

I have no point of comparison for the current 2018 models, never having had one in my hands. My opinion of the list price is based solely on my (admittedly vague) memories of the one I had back in the 80's, which may not be a fair nor reasonable comparison at all.
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#2916737 - 03/22/18 12:21 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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#2916766 - 03/22/18 01:19 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Larryz]
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I've written extensively about my RevStar, which looks the same as the picture you posted and is probably called something else in quite a few different countries.

The series just got revised slightly this year, and the model numbers got bumped, but I think the series breadth has remained.

I found the top-end model the most playable and best-sounding, but 100% redundant for me as I had already bought a used Gibson Custom Shop Les Paul 1957 Gold Top by then.

I went for the one with the tailpiece and the P-90's. That was a niche in my collection. My techie is quite impressed with the new Yamaha range. But I sold my Pacifica as it was too narrow (the RevStar has a wider neck).

Yamaha have done some interesting things with the volume knob, and it's different per model. For my model (in a gorgeous Racing Green colour), it changes the capacitance of the treble cut, as I recall.
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#2916847 - 03/23/18 03:34 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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Originally Posted By: Winston Psmith
Originally Posted By: DocPate
@WPS. You say "had". Why did you get rid of it?


Sorry, DocPate, just seeing your question now.

Short answer, I was cycling through Guitars at the time, looking for something, and the SBG wasn't quite it . . .

At various points around that time, I had a pre-CBS Duo-Sonic, a Rick, a Gold-Top LP, The Paul, at least one Strat, a Gordon-Smith (British-made, double-cutaway Mahogany plank, more like a Melody Maker than anything else; general-issue UK Punk Guitar), and a TV Yellow SG Standard: nice enough Guitar, hideous color! Those are the ones I remember offhand, and we're just talking middle to late 80's.


Nice array of guitars. I guess that if I had your inventory, and wanted to thin the herd, the Yahama might be one of the first choices. Do you still have the Gold Top?

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#2916866 - 03/23/18 05:45 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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Nice array of guitars. I guess that if I had your inventory, and wanted to thin the herd, the Yahama might be one of the first choices. Do you still have the Gold Top?


No Gold Top anymore; the Guitar was nice enough, but again, it never grabbed me. I've been through a LOT more Guitars than are on that list, some Strats, a G&L Tribute, a couple of PRS SE models, some other Les Pauls, an Explorer, I've tried just about everything out there.

For feel, I love my SG's, for looks, I'm a Black Guitar guy, pretty much, goes with any outfit, and looks good with grey hair.

Present line-up is two 2003 Gibson SG Specials (Eris & Nemesis), one Ovation 1867 Legend, one Godin Freeway SA, one MIK Epiphone DOT, one ancient Alvarez 6-string (MIJ), an Alvarez Masterworks 12-string (MIC), and a recent Epiphone Les Paul Standard (MIC). One SG (Eris) is Cherry Red, the two Alvarez Guitars have Natural tops, all the others are Black, my favorite Guitar color. Holding out for an Ibanez RG8-MS (8-string Multi-Scale), and maybe a 'real', i.e. Gibson, Les Paul later this year.

I'm too old to keep collecting Guitars just for the sake of collecting, nice as the thought is. If I don't play it, it may have more value to sell or trade, than to sit in my place collecting dust.

Back on point: If I were looking for a new, solid-body Electric Guitar, right now, with no regard as to name brand, I'd look at the recently revived Hamer line to start with. Hamer, IMHO, made Guitars that matched or surpassed Gibson quality, back in the 90's. They'd shut down a few years back(?), but I've seen some recent models in the Sweetwater catalog; might be worth checking out. Fred C. speaks highly of Peerless, but I'm not familiar with their Guitars, myself. If I had money to spare, I'd look for a Heritage LP-style Guitar. For Metal, or heavy Classic Rock, I'd look at ESP/LTD.
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#2916898 - 03/23/18 07:44 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Winston Psmith]
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I've liked or loved every model of Yamaha acoustic I've ever played. As far as their electrics, their Pacificas are killer values...but damn, would I love to get my hands on a '70s SG-2000 or 3000. Santana's weapon of choice before he went over to Paul Reed Smith; the one I've gotten to play was like a dream. 😍
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#2917091 - 03/24/18 09:28 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I know I've lusted for a Yamaha keyboard with the weighted keys for years. I've made do with my little Casio, but sometimes I really wanted the feel of the Yamaha.

So, I guess I'll have to locate my closest Yamaha guitar store and give them a real try, as much as I'm able.

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#2917099 - 03/24/18 10:18 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: DocPate]
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I have an older Yamaha, FG-420-C. It is easily the nicest sounding acoustic I've owned and the live sound stood up to any of the Taylor/Gibson acoustics that I heard. Best of all, the sound just keeps getting better with age.

While I can't attest to the newer models, if they are anything like mine, they are well worth looking into.
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#2917227 - 03/25/18 04:15 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: A String]
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I couldn't speak on behalf of Yamaha electric guitars, as I've never heard or seen anyone using one, but their acoustic guitars, electric keyboards and acoustic pianos AREN'T markedly better, OR worse than their comparable contemporaries.

To paraphrase A String, they "stand up".
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#2917344 - 03/25/18 07:23 PM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: whitefang]
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I've told this story here many times, but as a 14 year old who'd worked a couple of summers to buy a "real guitar" to replace the warped and disintegrating Menphis Les Paul copy I'd played to death, I had $800... That could've bought me about 7 used Jaguars and Jazzmasters from the pawnshops, but they were all screwy and in disrepair and I was scared off... the local stores had the Teles and Strats marked over $1000 and the ol' "well, I just have this $800 in cash" ploy just got laughs from them. The Gibsons I could almost afford offended me... the "firebrand" things with no finish or binding and Gibson branded on the headstock... just felt cheap. The cooler salesmen would suggest Ibanez and Yamaha, and pull out their personal guitars to show that they really did play them at gigs and they really were great bang for the buck, not that I needed to be convinced, the bands I liked were using Yamaha (Squeeze, Men At Work, Carlos Santana, Duran Duran, etc.) and Ibanez (Sting played an Ibanez bass at the time, this great power pop band that was really popular in the region called The Producers played Ibanez guitars and basses and sounded terrific)... so I ended up getting a Yamaha SC-400, as pictured at link:

https://guitarz.blogspot.com/2009/06/yamaha-sc400.html

It was a fantastic playing and sounding and built guitar. Set neck, Gibson scale-length, overwound single coils that sounded as fat as humbuckers when you wanted them to... but quack in positions 2 and 4. I played it for years, hard, until I outgrew it (as in my physical size... it started looking too tiny on my expanding frame). I still have it, it's still a great guitar.

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#2918926 - 04/03/18 07:29 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
I have to go along with Fred up there.

While never owning one, I've played them in stores and such and too, have had positive reactions to the ones I've played. Plus, I'm seeing more of them offered in FINGERHUT catalogs of late.

And never DID hear one of those SLG200S models they have. Not "up close and personal" anyway.....


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I can tell you from personal experience that the Yamaha silent guitars are incredible. None of the videos I found online (including this one) do them justice, but they play and sound amazing.

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#2918928 - 04/03/18 07:33 AM Re: Yahama Guitars [Re: Psychotronic]
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Also, I own several Yamaha guitars. They're all excellent value. I do agree with the opinion that the pickups can be kind of "vanilla", but they're still decent. I very often bring my 90's Pacifica 812 on tour with me -- it's a great workhorse of an instrument.

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