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What is your piano situation #2915992
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I recently upgraded my nord stage 2 to a nord stage 3. I use the keyboard a lot for piano, but I also have an acoustic piano in the house. In addition to the jazz/rock, etc., I like to study and play classical and contemporary piano music. I'm interested to know what others on the forum have in regards to acoustic pianos. Do you also play classical music or take lessons?

As much as I like keyboards, there is still no replacement for the feel of a real acoustic piano with a great action, imho. Anyone really into high end pianos?


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Several years ago, I pulled the trigger on a bucket-list acoustic grand piano. Blog post here.

I have no other justification other than I really, really enjoy playing it. It doesn't matter what I play, it's just a blast. As my work life eases up, I'm finding more time to get back into the classical music of my youth. No lessons at this time.

I think you'll find more than a few other forumites who've splurged on a nice acoustic grand, and many more who'd like to if circumstances permitted.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: cphollis] #2916003
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I grew up on the acoustic piano. Mom got me and my siblings a crappy no name upright to get started on around when I turned 5. Some time in my teens she found a great deal on a second hand Everett console (really common school piano back in the day) in mint condition. I practiced on this throughout high school and when home from university. On campus obviously we had access to some really nice instruments, Yamaha, Kawai, Bechstein, Bosendorfer etc. grands and baby grands in all sizes.

Needless to say, it's hard to go back - but 5'10" grands are hard to come by on a local piano player's budget. However, I have played a lot of nice instruments at institutions, churches, concert halls, schools, etc. I can give a big thumbs up to cphollis's recommendation of a Bosendorfer. I also like the Bechsteins, and you really have to play a Steinway for comparison because they are quite different from the other two. You're in Colorado, Bosendorfer lists these guys as their Denver dealer:
http://denver.classicpianos.net/
That's not a an endorsement, I've never dealt with them.
But, they apparently have Bosendorfers, Schimmel's and Mason Hamlins on the premises. So worth a drive over.

Here's some good reads:
http://www.pianoworld.com/Buying_A_Piano/Buying_A_Acoustic_Piano.html

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Issues/Fall-2017

And a community for acoustic piano owners:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/1/1/piano-forum.html

For myself, as in my signature.
I had a 5'2" Chickering circa 1910 restored, everything replaced on it at a price I could afford and I'm entirely happy with it, as are my students, and if I ever want to upgrade someday, I'll trade it in for another restored model.

Another forumite Dave Ferris went all in on a Steinway D and he's expressed pure joy owning and playing it.




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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2916006
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Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


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I would love to be into high-end pianos but funds don't permit it...

I do have a baby grand which is on its last legs, but still sounds lovely. It was my first purchase when I bought my first house 17 years ago - my living room had a sofa, a TV and a piano, and that was it for a while.

It's got a crack in the soundboard, pegs that always seem about to slip according to my tuner, and a sound in the bottom two octaves that's nowhere near what a concert grand should sound like.

But it's full of character, and good to play. Shame it's only got another 5-10 years in it before it's an unplayable write-off, apparently.

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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I also have an acoustic piano in the house.

I always have an acoustic piano in the house, to me a house is not a home without an acoustic piano, as there was always one from my earliest memories. I have moved often, and have had various piano's, never one like DF's or CH's, currently have a 52" Kawai upright as I've no room for a grand in my current home. Happy with what I have. cool


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Re: What is your piano situation [Re: davedoerfler] #2916017
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"a house is not a home without an acoustic piano"

True ...


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I had been without an acoustic piano for twenty years. I had DPs and piano modules with weighted key MIDI controller, but always enjoyed plunking around on the real thing. Had been renting for too long and am about to build my own place so I'm finally able to get a piano. My parents' house has to be sold due to long term care and I am about to move their Kawai upright to my place - the piano I learned to play on. It is 40+ years old but in great shape.

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My parents bought a Baldwin Acrosonic when I was about 5. I learned on it. Like a fool I sold it. To atone, I bought another off eBay. I play it every day. Edit: I do not use the term "acoustic piano." That is redundant. A piano is the real thing. Instruments that seek to emulate it aren't pianos.

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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I'm interested to know what others on the forum have in regards to acoustic pianos. Do you also play classical music or take lessons?

From a very young age I took lessons on a Yamaha vertical which my parents bought - couldn't tell you the model, wouldn't have been overly expensive. It was quite small but sounded ok and did the job! I imagine both the purchase of the piano and the ongoing private lessons for my brother and me would have been a considerable financial impost for mum and dad, and it's a gift for which I'm eternally grateful.

These days I own a Baldwin BP152 baby grand. It is most definitely not in the league of the amazing pianos some of the chaps on here own, but it sounds very nice and I love playing it.

In my teen years I played classical music as part of the process of passing exams, but like acne, nervous first dates and illegal drag racing, those times have long disappeared from the rear-view mirror.

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Yamaha U1 upright. Bought it new about 6 years ago. Great instrument!


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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


I have a Yamaha UX-3, about that vintage. Could it be the same model as you have? At any rate, I love to play it. In my town, there aren't any restaurants/ bars with acoustic pianos anymore. There are some churches, schools with Steinways, but I do not have real access to them. So, my personal piano is the best one that I play.


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I always dreamed of owning a grand piano. Taking lessons, my piano teacher would allow me to play a piece on her grand once I'd demonstrated mastery on the spinet. Then in high school, I fell in love with a C7 in one of the practice rooms.

Fast forward 9 years of college and a postdoc, I finally got a real job where I can afford a grand. Unfortunately this was in San Jose where I couldn't afford the house big enough to put it in. smile

Fast forward another 20 years, I relocate back to the midwest for quality of life reasons and now have the space. Purchased a Yamaha C7D a few years ago and couldn't be happier!


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Thanks for the info and stories. It sounds like there are some really nice pianos among the players on this forum. I started classical piano lessons at 7yrs old and was serious about it until about 16/17yrs old. I recently returned more focus back on classical piano study and I am enjoying the challenge. I even found a good teacher and started lessons again! I have a Mason & Hamlin Model A grand piano that needs some work on the action. Recently, I did go to Classic Pianos in Denver and enjoyed playing some really nice pianos. If money was no issue, I could easily enjoy buying a few of them.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: JazzPiano88] #2916083
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I've always had a piano in one shape or size.

My Mom had a Baldwin Acrosonic in the home growing up. It was important in early development in that I picked songs and parts off records. Chuck Leavell solos, Leon Russell, Nicky Hopkins and parts off Beatle records.

Then had a small, old Chickering baby grand that I got cheap in our first rental house at 19. That served me well until we moved to LA in '79.

I then bought one of these for $1100 at a piano store in Hawthorne that was going out of biz:
http://www.kohlerandcampbell.com/km247.html

That piano was a workhorse to put in mildly. Saw many hours and four different moves.

When we able to finally afford our first home in Sherman Oaks, a few years after we were able to swing a brand new Yamaha C7E. We paid half in cash and floated a loan for the other half. 1988 pricing on a new C7E was $13,300 + CA. tax. shocked

Then in '97, when we moved over to Glendale from the Valley, I traded the C7 in on a Yamaha S6. It was a NAMM piano so my longtime friend, Dennis Haggerty, owner of Keyboard Concepts, gave me a great deal on the trade and price.

The S6 was another workhorse. It was the height of my practicing hours - '97 to '06. It was rare when I was under 3 hours a day. Most days it was four to five. When I sold the handmade Yamaha, it really needed new hammers.

Then I found the Steinway D on Ebay, at Creston Community College in Iowa. The owner - who chose it from six at Steinway Hall - fell into dire financial straits and had to unload it at 9 months old. Basically I was in the right place at the right time, for only the second time in my life. The other was meeting my wife in HS in St. Louis, Mo in 1970.

I was able to sell the S6 for a little under half of what I paid for the Steinway. So that made it doable.

I'm coming on the 12 year anniversary of delivery this May 6. I just had it voiced and regulated to the tune of $300. It was very much "that time" as the tone was losing that beautiful warm Steinway timbre. You just sort of get into a practice routine and don't notice it and then all of a sudden it's not so subtle anymore. It's like a tune up on a high end carÖ.or any car for that matter.

Yes, I'm very blessed and fortunate in that I've had a dedicated space and high quality grand since 1988. My whole development has largely been based off that.

I find it sad that so many deserving players can't afford a quality instrument today because of the high prices new. But as we went into in that other recent thread -- the used market is very healthy and a buyer's market if you know what you're looking for and are even willing to travel a bit.


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Baldwin upright c.1964 Both my sister and I took piano lessons from ages 4 and 6, so it got a fair workout. My sister acquired it when she went off to college and still has it (but last time I heard it, around Christmas, it occurred to me that she really needs to tune it).


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Been playing my grandfather's 1923 Bush & Lane upright grand for the last 20 years since his passing. One of the most resonant uprights I've ever played. Still has the original ivory keys!


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Dave Ferris] #2916092
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Started at age eight on a no name player piano with the player mechanics taken out. Early high school age my folks bought a Chickering 6í grand that I played for about 25 years.

When it would no longer stay in tune and my tuner/technician said it was not worth putting money into, I bought a Schimmel 6-10 LE. About a year later, the store owner called me up and said there had been soundboard failures due to a change mandated by the German equivalent of the EPA. Something to do with laquering - water vs. oil based, as I recall. They gave me a new identical model that Iíve had ever since.

While I have a nice big high-ceiling room now for the piano, I donít know what I will do when I want to downsize, real estate-wise. Kind of the tail-wagging-the-dog when Iíve perused listings for condos, townhouses or apartments. I love playing it and would hate to give it up.

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In late 2010, I bought a used Baldwin Howard C-171 5' 8" that a local church was selling. At the time, both my wife and self were taking classical lessons. We had some regulation and hammer work done when it was moved into our home.
Eight years later, it still dominates the living room, and is still enjoyable in a different way from any of the electronics.
Like others here, I'd like to have a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand, but frankly would need a considerably larger home for a 9' concert grand. Besides, what I have exceeds my playing ability.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When we able to finally afford our first home in Sherman Oaks, a few years after we were able to swing a brand new Yamaha C7E. We paid half in cash and floated a loan for the other half. 1988 pricing on a new C7E was $13,300 + CA. tax. shocked

Less than the price of a used Honda Prelude!! :):)

I always like to make the point that for a serious pianist, or a pianist who wants to have serious enjoyment, the barrier to entry on a decent grand piano is not that much compared to items we think nothing of forking over tens of thousands of dollars on items that depreciate to worthless in 10 years or less (e.g. new cars).

And then there is the comparison with discretionary luxuries... 10 years of smartphone cell phone bills or cable TV bills will buy you a really really nice used conservatory grand.

Ooops, sorry for the digression...

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I find it sad that so many deserving players can't afford a quality instrument today because of the high prices new. But as we went into in that other recent thread -- the used market is very healthy and a buyer's market if you know what you're looking for and are even willing to travel a bit.

Exactly! Be willing to look for a good used instrument. And, as above, recognize that it is a long term expense dedicated to your enjoyment, that is not comparatively dissimilar to other everyday expenses.


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Right ! I mean my wife and I are pretty frugal for the most part. She just bought her first iPhone about year ago because her company stopped paying for the flip. And I still don't own a smartphone. We have one computer in the house - an '09 iMac - and no other mobile devices. Our TVs are 10 and 20 years old.

Our fridge, washer and dyer are all 21 years old now. We just keep fixing them when they break. Our Panasonic microwave has to be at least 25 years old.

I don't drink at all and her, maybe a glass of wine with dinner. If we spend more then $35 for both of us on dinner out, it's a big deal.

We haven't set foot in a movie theater in at least 15 years, if not longer.

We buy new cars but drive 'em till they're ready for the junkyard. I spent 32K on the '16 Forester. At 64 that was the most we'd ever spent on a car in our lives.

Here in the "Car capitol" of the world , both of us have friends that routinely go out and drop 60-75K on a new car, keep it for a few years, trade it in, lose a ton of money and buy new again.

And then they freak when I tell them I spent 30K on a piano that now lists at 160K and 8K on a Potts 29er Mtn. bike. Both of which I'll have and use every day for the rest of my life..hopefully.

We never had kids, so yeah that's a huge thing !


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25 years ago I enherited my grandmotherís baby grand piano, a nice Danish instrument from 1915. She graduated as a classical pianist, but never used her education after she married. She did however play in silent movie theaters as a young woman around WW1. I would have loved to hear that.

I have had some work done on the action and hammer heads, and it would meet my needs perfectly with new tuning pins and new bass strings, but I do not seem to be able to convince any piano technicians to fix this for me - although several of them have offered to buy the instrument. Funny. Anyway, it is still my go-to piano, when I play alone or with my kids - I love it.

Cheers, Morten

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Many years ago - can't remember exactly, but let's say about 30 - after struggling with several uprights, I said to myself, if you want to call yourself a pianist, you have to own a decent grand piano. I looked around for a few months, then I stumbled on an used Yamaha G2 from 1974, in very good conditions. The owner was a doctor who was going thru a divorce and a move; he had used the piano very sparsely, and had a certain urgency to get rid of it. I paid the equivalent of about 7000 Euros of today, which was a good price for the times, althought it was all I had in the bank... it's been my workhorse since then. It's 175 cm long, which is a respectable lenght to bring out the bass, etc. I had my tech doing various work on it along the years, to improve the action and sound, anf he also built and installed a mute, which I use sometimes to avoid driving the neighbors crazy. And now it's time to replace all the felts.... I'm collecting the money for that right now.

Frankly, it's not the best piano in the world, but for my needs (basically, studying and giving lessons) it's ok. I would never think to record with it. Every time I play a Boesendorfer 200 or a good Steinway, I think, "life is unfair".... grin but then again, if you own a great piano, you also need an adequate space to put it in, to be able to record and reharse with others... I don't have that either, so that's the best compromise at the moment.

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I learned to play by ear on an old upright when I was small, never had any lessons so I'm not really a piano player.

A couple of years back my wife spotted a "bargain" Roland V-Grand at half price in a local music shop and forced me to buy it laugh
So I bought it.
It is a beautiful piece of work and has the benefit of not needing to be tuned - it can sound like various other pianos.

I have had "purists" tell me it is not a real acoustic piano but frankly that is BS because that is exactly what it sounds like.
Love it. like


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I have had "purists" tell me it is not a real acoustic piano but frankly that is BS because that is exactly what it sounds like.


I think the V Piano is a wonderful instrument that can emulate an incredible range of acoustic pianos, including many not found in the physical world.

But I wouldn't say it's identical to an acoustic piano, where we're talking vibrating physical strings, soundboard and case vs. speakers or headphones.

Not better or worse, just different? Having played both, they aren't the same experience -- at least to me.


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Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


I have a Yamaha UX-3, about that vintage. Could it be the same model as you have? At any rate, I love to play it. In my town, there aren't any restaurants/ bars with acoustic pianos anymore. There are some churches, schools with Steinways, but I do not have real access to them. So, my personal piano is the best one that I play.


It could be, it apparently has the X cross bracing for tuning stability as the YUX does. I have heard the YUX's and X series in general are the top of the line U series for it's time and were used in practice rooms for classical piano competitions! Better grade hammers, the sound baffle triangulated front to bring the sound closer to the player, X cross bracing and a few other enhancements above the basic U line Upright Yamaha model . . . .

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I had started on a Lowry organ in Ď66 when I was 8 and, while I loved the organ, the piano was calling me. So, I bought my first piano, a used Baldwin Acrosonic, in Ď77 when I was 19. Taking up piano at 19 was a bit intimidating and since I wanted to progress quickly I took classical lessons for two years. I had an awesome teacher (a Julliard Grad) and I practiced a lot at that time. I played the Baldwin until I bought a new Yamaha C3 conservatory grand in Ď99. Almost all of my practice is on this piano. I love it!

After being without an organ for decades I bought my first Hammond -- a '62 A100 / Leslie 145 -- five years ago which reignited my love for the organ. Surprisingly, I don't play the A100 very much because the C3 calls me more loudly.

Iíve played many Steinways through the years and even had the pleasure of playing Chuckís Boise, which is incredible. While I certainly appreciate the difference between the higher end pianos, I still love my C3. Having said that, if I won the lottery...

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I started on accordion in the 4th grade, mostly because my parents didn't think I'd stick with it, and did not want to spring for a piano. That kind of backfired on them.

Within about two years, they bought me a Wurlitzer console piano from one of those mall retailers in the 70's. I played that thing nearly every day until I got married and moved out. Our first apartment wasn't large enough to accommodate the piano, so it stayed at my parent's house until a few years into our own first home. I played that piano until 2011 when I donated it to my son's youth orchestra foundation.

At that time, I bought a Pramberger PS-157 through one of those college sales programs as sort of a 50th birthday present. The Rockley Family Foundation sponsors the program (as they seem to do at several schools around the country) where they sell/rent/donate instruments to the college and then sell them off after a year or two. I can't tell if I got a good deal on the piano itself, but it came with a 10 year warranty and some interest free financing. The dealer I work with could not be any nicer. I've had several different piano techs and other musicians look at it, and they are all very complimentary.

It has a tendency to get a bit harsh at times, so I get it voiced about every other year. I've also discovered that some of that sound comes from my own playing style, so the piano is teaching me to be a better player. It's very nice sounding when it's in tune, but I don't think I've ever been inspired by it. I'm getting close though, as I continue to study and become a better player.

I also have a Roland RD-800 in my basement studio. I really enjoy playing that. I used the Piano Designer to create a customized piano voicing that I really enjoy. I also made a Rhodes voicing that is a joy to play. I like the feel and response of the action, and it records well.

I use a Nord Stage 2EX 76HP for rehearsals and gigs. I know a lot of people are down on the TP100 action, but I discover new things about it all the time. People consider it "heavy" but I've found that that gentler I play, the more the instrument sings. I rely on a few piano samples for most of my stuff (Grand Lady D and Amber Upright are my workhorses), but I like swapping out the different samples to see how they sound in different live contexts. A few of the Rhodes samples are very playable as well.


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At the time I bought it, the store had a policy that they would give you FULL credit of your purchase price towards a new piano. I thought I would pay it off and trade up, but the store went under!!!!
I have often thought of putting the Young Chang up for sale for a price that would make at least a substantial dent in a new piano- maybe on the high end of what I would expect to get for it, and not be in a rush to sell. I see decent looking Steinways listed privately for pretty reasonable money now and then. I'd have to have the money on hand, ready to pounce and pay cash.


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Originally Posted By: Beethree
Young Chang Pramberger (SP?) 6 foot. I like it, but do not love it and regret not aiming somewhat higher at the time of initial purchase. I had my eye on a used Baldwin that I liked playing as much as the Steinways they had on hand, but it was just out of reach financially.
At the time I bought it, the store had a policy that they would give you FULL credit of your purchase price towards a new piano. I thought I would pay it off and trade up, but the store went under!!!!
I have often thought of putting the Young Chang up for sale for a price that would make at least a substantial dent in a new piano- maybe on the high end of what I would expect to get for it, and not be in a rush to sell. I see decent looking Steinways listed privately for pretty reasonable money now and then. I'd have to have the money on hand, ready to pounce and pay cash.


I think I recall that Samick bought the brand from YC sometime prior to my purchase (or something like that - following the piano industry is not a hobby of mine). It's a PS model and not an SP, which I think was/is the midrange of the line. I believe it was built in Indonesia. The techs who have looked at it say nice things, but I can't tell if they're just hiding their honesty.

Link to model page

I have to admit some level of ignorance at the time. If I were purchasing today with the same budget, I would more closely look at the pre-owned Craigslist ads and bring a tech with me. There are a lot of nice pianos out there.

Now is not the time, however. We are only a few years away from retirement and lifestyle change, including most likely a relocation and downsizing. I'll happily play the piano for the next few years. I may not be in love with the instrument, but it is still very nice sounding and easy to play.


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I have three uprights. One is an old Price and Teeple upright built like a tank but the action is terrible. I just needed it as my daughter was taking lessons. I also have an upright and my moms and dads. Both in need of tuning. My buddy is a vice president of the techs guild around here and said people don't by pianos or they are being sold in record numbers as older people leave homes for apartments or assisted living. It's kind of sad to see something that once was a focal point of the living room for entertainment be reduced to a throwaway instrument.


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Originally Posted By: cphollis
Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys


I have had "purists" tell me it is not a real acoustic piano but frankly that is BS because that is exactly what it sounds like.


I think the V Piano is a wonderful instrument that can emulate an incredible range of acoustic pianos, including many not found in the physical world.

But I wouldn't say it's identical to an acoustic piano, where we're talking vibrating physical strings, soundboard and case vs. speakers or headphones.

Not better or worse, just different? Having played both, they aren't the same experience -- at least to me.


Do you mean V-Grand or V-Piano? They aren't the same.

You aren't comparing eggs with eggs.

I've played various grand pianos which sounded crap and a few that sounded good. Some had dreadful action and some good.

I know I can find a grand piano sound that I like in the V-Grand and I know I like the action
Why should I care if it has strings? I'm not doing a Keith Emerson anytime soon. It is otherwise constructed like a mini-grand piano, just the "sound generator" is different.
Horses for courses I think.


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Another YUX owner, mine from 1983. I bought it back in the fall as my first foray into nice (relatively speaking) acoustic pianos. I had my grandfather's Lester spinet upright before that, but it was barely playable and sounded, eh...not so great. I've been very happy with the YUX so far. Hopefully one day we'll have the room and cash for a grand of some sort.

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For ages I said, "I don't need a real piano, a digital is good enough!" facepalm Somewhere along the line I got convinced otherwise. So I started with this.

That was a good for a few years, but it needed lots of work. I learned a lot by fixing a lot of things myself, and I think I made her much more playable. But, it still needed work and a few years later I graduated to this.

It's still my pride and joy (as far as musical instruments, anyway!). And I've hardly worked on it, compared to the previous one. It's due for a regulation though. I don't think it's bad, but better to keep it in shape.

There's nothing like playing a real piano. Some technology has gotten close or so I hear, but still. I'm happy.


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Kawai RX-2 is a great home piano!
Not too large not too small - play and sound like a piano should and comparatively affordable both new and second hand.


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Really loving these stories. Seems everyone has a real connection with their pianos. Inspiring me to play more!


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The current state of the lovely Petrof upright I've had for 15 years is that it is piled high with stuff we are trying to keep away from our 2 yo daughter, who likes nothing better than to climb things to grab stuff off the top, but a piano is an imposing obstacle for her. She keeps trying to scale it and we keep looking for ways to stop her.


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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
Really loving these stories. Seems everyone has a real connection with their pianos. Inspiring me to play more!


Yeah, it should. Great stories here about people who scraped to get a half-decent acoustic piano into their lives, and love it. Key message? You don't have to spend a ton of money to have a decent AP experience.

All good. And I get it -- give me a working piano that doesn't entirely suck, and I I will fully engage. I had a G3 for a while, a U1, etc. before I did my current beast. Ain't nothing like the real thing, baby.

EDIT: If you've got the means to lay down big for the killer instrument, I'd encourage you to do it. I did, like stupid big. To this day, zero regrets whatsoever. Not like I'm thinking "jeez, I've could have bought XYZ". Every time I sit down at the Bosie, it's a huge smile. That's worth something, right?

The only similar thing I've seen is with the B3 crowd. Passionate response, and I get it as well.

I'm holding off on that for a variety of reasons (e.g. physical space!) but will succumb before long.

It's only a matter of time.

You used to read these stories of people who installed a full theatre organ into their 2 bedroom / 1.5 bath suburb houses. I get it.

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No getting around that my friend.
Iíve done 2 as well. I bet more than a few of us.
You will survive and play your piano again!


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I have had acoustic grand pianos for many years, and they have been my constant and dominant musical companion. There is something about how the sound mixes on the big soundboard that even the best "string resonance simulations" just don't do. There is a harmonic richness and color that I never tire of.

My first piano was a Baldwin made "Hamilton" baby grand. I received it as a gift from my grandfather upon his passing. I had that piano rebuilt - new belly and Renner action, etc. I used it happily for several years, and it sat in our living room at the time.

About the time I could make my first music room, a friend tipped me off to a worn-out, beat down Steinway A from 1885 (85 keys, not 88!). It went immediately to my rebuilder and came back in wonderful shape. Full new belly, new Renner action, German hammers and wire, etc. That was a massive step up, and I enjoyed that piano a lot.

After moving to California, I had a small Kohler and Campbell 5'1 grand. It was about comparable to the Hamilton, moderately used before me, but very playable, and much more satisfying than any digital I've played.

Just weeks ago, a twenty-year dream came true - I was able to purchase a 7.5' Kawai RX-7 in mint condition. It had been played for 2-3 years by a small child and then left to sit - fully maintained for 9 years, waiting for me to buy it in like new condition for a fraction of the price. (A price I could not have paid, new). Our own Dave Ferris provided the lead, casually in a thread a few weeks ago. I followed up and it arrived a week ago. It is, as he suggested, a "serious piano". It has smooth, even bass of a big piano. The long keys give delightful layers of pianissimo that none of my other pianos have had, and the damper system is a precision tool, not a blunt smeary blender of tone. Everything about it is better than my previous instruments, and I am exploring all the new tones, colors, and dynamics it offers. I am already more expressive on it.

All my pianos have been used - some lightly and some heavily prior to my ownership. Every one has been more satisfying than any digital or sample I've owned, even when played through very high end amplification at "acoustic volume".

An acoustic piano is my center - I play it far more than anything else. I had a Kronos, but only played it at church, and ended up selling it to them when they wanted to upgrade. Now I still play it there. But here in my studio, I no longer have a ROMpler, and no real need. I have many synths, a world of computer synths and samplers, but the acoustic piano is where I think and express myself.

Someday I still aspire to a Fazioli 225 or perhaps a Stuart & Sons. But the satisfaction I am getting from a semi-concert grand moves me deeply. It is one of the best purchases I have ever made.

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I wish I could afford a high end AP but not to be... practice on my trusty RD-800.


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Here in the Bay Area, you can find a serviceable, immediately playable grand like the Kohler and Campbell I had for about $3,500 any time on Craigslist. It doesn't solve the space problem, but playing on a grand can be cheaper than a Nord Stage.

Like others here, my musical instruments collection has always had more value than any car I've owned. That has been true since I was 19. For me, instruments are more important than cars, and that has always "shown". I drive a seven year old Toyata, and chose my piano upgrade over getting a newer vehicle. Everyone has their own situation and priorities, which is why these threads never reach any definite conclusion. There is no right answer that suits everyone.

I am blessed with a wife and adult children who encourage me to be me and are happy that I am happy with my choices.

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Originally Posted By: cphollis
EDIT: If you've got the means to lay down big for the killer instrument, I'd encourage you to do it. I did, like stupid big. To this day, zero regrets whatsoever. Not like I'm thinking "jeez, I've could have bought XYZ". Every time I sit down at the Bosie, it's a huge smile. That's worth something, right?

I have dreams of trading in my C7D for a new(er) C7X. I've played it and the new scale and action are just unbelievable. I feel like I can play twice as good, if that makes any sense.


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It makes total sense. I am doing things with ease on this RX-7 that I was not doing at all on the Kohler and Campbell.... Everything is more expressive just because it is so accessible.

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In 1990, we bought our first home and had room for a small grand piano. I had a Rhodes since 1976 but never an acoustic piano. A local bookstore sold Sunday newspapers from all over the country and Iíd look through the pianos for sale classifieds of all the papers from cities within 6 hrs drive. I found our 1929 Steinway M in the NY Times. It was in Westport, CT, had been owned by the Yale Glee Club, rebuilt and refinished by A&C Pianocraft in NYC, and still had all the ivory key tops. I drove 5 hrs, played it, loved it, and think we paid $10,000 then $500 to have a piano mover bring it home. Itís been maintained by the same person since then.

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I am blessed with a wife and adult children who encourage me to be me and are happy that I am happy with my choices.

That is definitely a blessing and must make you feel great!!!


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Wishing you many happy years of creative music making. thu


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We have two pianos in the house. The first, a Baldwin Acrosonic, was my grandparent's piano that they gave my parents when they got married. My father played and it was the instrument that I played as a child. My parents gave me that piano when I moved out after college and I still love it, although it is definitely in need of some TLC.

When I was in college, I had the opportunity to play several fantastic pianos. My freshman year, a donor sent my piano teacher to the Steinway factory in Germany to select a concert grand for the school. He chose a wonderful sounding instrument Steinway, but I had trouble with the stiffness of the action. In this teacher's studio, however, were a pair of 1910 New York Steinways that not only sounded wonderful, but were a pleasure to play for someone who prefers a lighter action. The school also had a Mason & Hamlin concert grand that I didn't prefer.

Fast forward about 15 years to 2000 and I'm fortunate to be in the right industry at the right time. After buying the house that my wife wanted, the first purchase was a piano to fill the living room. I went to the yearly Bosendorfer event at Keyboard Concepts in Sherman Oaks and after playing all the models, plus the Steinways and Schimmels they had, I decided on the Bosendorfer 225, and it has not disappointed. My father tried to convince me to get the 290, but it would have been too much. Played full out with the lid open, the 225 can be heard across the street with the windows closed. I've had it now for 16 years and it is by far my favorite toy. It can be a bit temperamental and needs to be tuned at least 4 times/year but it is well worth it.

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Wow, congrats ! The 225 can be a powerful piano yet retain that singing tone that everyone loves about Bosendofers.

The new VC's (Vienna Concert) are a totally different breed and sonic color. A real departure from the traditional Bosendorfer sound. I've played the two concert models - older Imperial and 280 VC - side by side. There are characteristics I like about each, it would be a hard choice to make.

I will say the Bosendorfer 214VC was one of nicest 7'ers I've ever played.

Dennis Haggerty is a good friend, I'm glad he got your business.

Four times a year is a lot for tuning. I've never gone more then three times and most often it's twice. If you aren't satisfied with your current tech, message me here and I'll give you the number of mine. She's excellent, much experience with Bosendorfers and a good friend of Dennis too btw. In fact Dennis sends her out for most all the high end clients and when there might be a problem. Assuming you are in the LA area.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Rusty Mike] #2916430
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I have an old Mason & Hamlin given to me by a relative...not one of the "good" M&H pianos based on checking the years, and it's basically a spinet. Sounds ok, and very light action. Unfortunately my tuner said it has a major issue (soundboard iirc) and it's the worth of the piano to fix it...so I'm leaning toward getting rid of it when we redo our floors and either getting a digital or sticking to my controller+software. My kids take lessons, but they are getting older and can use the software as well...it sounds better, and I've got no latency--but I will miss an actual piano for the wood reverberation etc. The main issue is that to get a good one is pretty $, and for the money of a mediocre one you can get a great software/digital rig. Secondary issue is that we may move depending on my job. This is has become so common now that I imagine it is one factor in people buying less pianos...used to be you'd work for one company for decades and stay in one spot!

I'm not much of a player, never learned to read music. I play keyboards in a band and can do a few things in rock/pop genres but classical and jazz are basically a scary spot on the map that reads "there be dragons" smile

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I started taking lessons at age 9, and my parents went and bought a used eastern European upright - no brand name or markings of any sort on it. It's still at my parents place, mostly out of tune, with a few dodgy keys, but since it's a continent away it gets played maybe twice or three times a year. The action is so light, you glance at the keys and it makes a sound, which probably wasn't ideal to learn on, but hey, what did I know?

I played keyboards for most of college and for a few years after I moved stateside. Then luck struck, we bought an 1890s brownstone and the parlor floor was just incomplete without a piano. So I went hunting. I had my eyes set on a Steinway (similar to cphollis' journey toward the Klimt), but none spoke to me (room was an issue, so a 7-footer was out of the question). Then I came across this Estonia 168, and from the moment I sat down I knew this was "it". Went around the store, played others, but came back to the Estonia every time. I've had it for close to 10 years now, and it's been an absolute joy. The tone changes through the seasons and the tunings in subtle ways, but it's always pleasant, and I find that I adapt my playing over time until my trusty tech comes and gives it the once over.

My 10 y/o daughter started taking lessons (not from dad, because, well, dads can be terrible teachers) and she's improvising and playing without us having to prod, which I think has a lot to do with having that big hunk of wood and metal at her disposal.


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Originally Posted By: Outkaster
It's kind of sad to see something that once was a focal point of the living room for entertainment be reduced to a throwaway instrument.

This is the same thing that happened to the home organ. When was the last time you saw a living room with one of those?? Used to be as common as a cold, now they're in landfills.


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Originally Posted By: Outkaster
It's kind of sad to see something that once was a focal point of the living room for entertainment be reduced to a throwaway instrument.

This is the same thing that happened to the home organ. When was the last time you saw a living room with one of those??

Those are the two keyboards that get played the most in my house, and both of them are in my living room... idk



I do allow for the possibility that I may not be representative of the norm in this respect. grin

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Anyone really into high end pianos?


I'm really into high-end pianos, but no way I'm getting in to one. frown

I do have a Webster WG-60 grand that I'm very happy with, although the digital hybrids are getting so good I may be going that route someday.

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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons

This is the same thing that happened to the home organ. When was the last time you saw a living room with one of those?? Used to be as common as a cold, now they're in landfills.


other than the photo from Thousand Oaks CA, if you take the short drive down the NJ Turnpike to Springfield VA, Bobby, Markyboard has a B3 with 2 (yes 2) Leslie 122's in his living room. There is a video somewhere around here of Jimmy (blueskeys) singing and playing it.
I agree with dB, though, this is not the norm. Were my crib bigger I would hope to move my A100 and Leslie 142 into a living room like dB, but I don't think my wife would allow it. facepalm


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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I was searching for the original thread where I shared this on the forum - found it from 2005, but looks like my original photos were lost somewhere in the shuffle of online storage.

I had a beat up 75 year old upright and replaced it with a nice Yamaha studio upright. I'm happy with it. Somewhere down the line (hopefully much later) I will likely inherit a nice Kawai grand piano (can't remember model number) that my dad bought when I was in HS.

Re: What is your piano situation [Re: davedoerfler] #2916490
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
I would hope to move my A100 and Leslie 142 into a living room like dB, but I don't think my wife would allow it. facepalm

I got lucky in the fact that my wife grew up with a grandmother who had a Hammond and Leslie in the living room, so she was actually psyched to have it there. cool

She says I do not play it like her grandma. idk

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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: JazzPiano88] #2916491
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Originally Posted By: JazzPiano88
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I am blessed with a wife and adult children who encourage me to be me and are happy that I am happy with my choices.

That is definitely a blessing and must make you feel great!!!


It is true! It comes with it a responsibility for me to extend the same grace and support to them, even when I don't "get it". We are all learning how to be completely passionate about our "thing" and leave room for others to be that way about theirs and not be uncaring about listening to each other talk about things we don't understand. (or want to understand).

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Originally Posted By: slg1013
I went to the yearly Bosendorfer event at Keyboard Concepts in Sherman Oaks and after playing all the models, plus the Steinways and Schimmels they had, I decided on the Bosendorfer 225, and it has not disappointed.


I have played some magnificent Bosendorfer 225's in my explorations of high-end pianos. There was one at Cunningham Pianos in NJ 20 years ago (when I very much could not afford it), that provided a completely transcendent experience for me. What a wonderful instrument you chose!

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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
The new VC's (Vienna Concert) are a totally different breed and sonic color. A real departure from the traditional Bosendorfer sound. I've played the two concert models - older Imperial and 280 VC - side by side. There are characteristics I like about each, it would be a hard choice to make.

I will say the Bosendorfer 214VC was one of nicest 7'ers I've ever played.


+1

I played the 214VC at what used to be Peninsula Yamaha here in the Bay Area just a month ago. It was a phenomenal piano - it had a volume, presence and resonance that I've never experienced on a Bosendorfer before. It was a stunningly good instrument. I said to the sales person, "Oh, what a 225VC would be like....". I am quite sure I would choose a 280VC over a 290 if the opportunity presented itself and the characteristics I heard scale up.

When I have the opportunity to shop for a world-class instrument, there is no question that the Bosendorfer "VC" instruments will be on the list.

Meanwhile, I am feeling no pain with the RX-7 - I have improvement to do as a player.

I tune my piano three to four times a year, and keep it fully regulated and in top playing condition.

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I played a Bosendorfer 225 at Keyboard Concepts some years back - before they re-located across the street , on the West side of Van Nuys Blvd.

This was in the middle of the three rooms they had at the old location - North East corner of Burbank & Van Nuys. The great tech Ed Whitting - who was mentioned in this recent thread http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2912280/A_nice_story#Post2912280 - had spent two full days voicing and regulating it.

It was one of the nicest sounding and playing pianos I'd ever touched. And that was on the tile floor of the showroom with glass windows not far away and fairly low ceilings - so not optimum acoustics for a piano.

Just another testament how a highly skilled tech can bring out the best in any piano.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Nathanael_I] #2916497
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Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
The new VC's (Vienna Concert) are a totally different breed and sonic color. A real departure from the traditional Bosendorfer sound. I've played the two concert models - older Imperial and 280 VC - side by side. There are characteristics I like about each, it would be a hard choice to make.

I will say the Bosendorfer 214VC was one of nicest 7'ers I've ever played.


+1

I played the 214VC at what used to be Peninsula Yamaha here in the Bay Area just a month ago. It was a phenomenal piano - it had a volume, presence and resonance that I've never experienced on a Bosendorfer before. It was a stunningly good instrument. I said to the sales person, "Oh, what a 225VC would be like....". I am quite sure I would choose a 280VC over a 290 if the opportunity presented itself and the characteristics I heard scale up.

When I have the opportunity to shop for a world-class instrument, there is no question that the Bosendorfer "VC" instruments will be on the list.

Meanwhile, I am feeling no pain with the RX-7 - I have improvement to do as a player.

I tune my piano three to four times a year, and keep it fully regulated and in top playing condition.


If I *had* to make a choice, I would go with the new VC model. I hear a tad of the newer Yamaha CXs/CFs in them sonically. The older models have a thicker sound to my ears. While the VCs sounds lighter and gave me the impression of playing a more responsive piano. I still could see a serious Classical player favoring the older model though.

The difference between the two models is not subtle in the least. The VC is a noticeable departure from their traditional sound for them. A move like that is a big gamble. I think it's wise to keep the older models in the lineup as well. I hear the VCs as having a more contemporary sound.

Last edited by Dave Ferris; 03/21/18 02:29 PM. Reason: added thoughts

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Nice to see some of the arrangements people have.

I'm on a weird situation that I could afford a nice acoustic (even with the exorbitant import taxes), my wife would support purchasing it, but we have no room. I live in a big apartment (for big city standards), but it's still an apartment.

House is planned - but in few years time frame.

My uncle is a professional pianist, I like his arrangement, he has it in adjacent room (I think what is called a den in the U.S.), that has humidity control.

Home organs were huge here in the 80s. Lot of my friends had one in their living room. I'm glad we didn't - I hated it. Took lessons in one and would practice at my aunt's house, but dropped after a year - I think the pedal board technique would be pretty cool nowadays, though.


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Originally Posted By: Nathanael_I
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris


I will say the Bosendorfer 214VC was one of nicest 7'ers I've ever played.


+1

I played the 214VC at what used to be Peninsula Yamaha here in the Bay Area just a month ago. It was a phenomenal piano - it had a volume, presence and resonance that I've never experienced on a Bosendorfer before. It was a stunningly good instrument.


Next to no examples out there with a Bosendorfer 214VC but with a little search I found this. Not a great recording, he's getting a lotta room but the beautiful singing quality and clarity for chords comes across in spades to my ears. All of a sudden I have GAS... cry



And a bit of "Beautiful Love"


Same young fellow, a fine player, on the older 214 model. Different and better recording with less room but you can still discern a thickness in the older Bosie.


Last edited by Dave Ferris; 03/21/18 08:01 PM. Reason: added thought

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I guess we're different that way, Dave. I keep coming back to the traditional Bosie sound vs. the newer VC sound. To my ears, more character and warmth. But I guess there's a good reason why they now have two separate models.


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I have had a Yamaha Grand and babies too smile Lots of keyboards as well. I bought a Yamaha NU-1 a few years ago and absolutely love it ! It never goes out of tune and I love the upright action and it sounds particularly great through headphones.

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Originally Posted By: eric
Somewhere down the line (hopefully much later) I will likely inherit a nice Kawai grand piano (can't remember model number) that my dad bought when I was in HS.


Same here with my Dad's Steinway L - the one I grew up on. Knowing that the majority of his practicing is done in the basement on a Schimmel upright I asked him recently how often he plays the Steinway these days. He said every day. That made me very happy. He'll be 92 tomorrow.

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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Next to no examples out there with a Bosendorfer 214VC but with a little search I found this. Not a great recording, he's getting a lotta room but the beautiful singing quality and clarity for chords comes across in spades to my ears. All of a sudden I have GAS... cry

Boy they do sound great!! It's calling you, Dave! :):)


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I have not owned a real piano for many years, always opting to spend the money on something I could gig with, not to mention finding somewhere to put it in a house full of growing children. We had a Ronish at home growing up, but it got sold many, many moons ago.

My Gas for new gear has subsided too, although new temptations appear occasionally (Crumar Seven anyone?). Recently I have been relying on my CP4 to keep my hands in shape for those infrequent encounters with the real thing.

Now that I am retired, I am planning to get a modest upright, probably a Yamaha U2, with the expectation that in the next few years I will transition out of playing selected gigs and just play at home. Coming the full circle, so to speak.


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Originally Posted By: JazzPiano88
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Next to no examples out there with a Bosendorfer 214VC but with a little search I found this. Not a great recording, he's getting a lotta room but the beautiful singing quality and clarity for chords comes across in spades to my ears. All of a sudden I have GAS... cry

Boy they do sound great!! It's calling you, Dave! :):)


Oh man, I wish ! wink

I wrote the piano store and complimented them on the recordings, as well as Javi's tasty playing. I heard back from the recordist today.

He said he's just learning about recording piano and has been experimenting with different mics and placement.

The 214VC recordings were made with a pair of Neumann M150s, nice ! That explains the more distant *classical* type of sound he was getting. Listening again today, the room and more distant sound is a nice effect for this piano. I like it more today then yesterday.

The older 214, that had more definition, was a closer micing with a pair of 414XLS's in mid/side configuration with a little EQ. Both separate recordings used the DAV Broadhurst Gardens No.4 preamp.

He also said he's going to re-record, with Javi and the 214VC, using a pair Schoeps CMC6 MK2 in omni. I think he'll have better results with those. The M150s take a highly skilled engineer and great room acoustics to get the best out of them, especially on solo piano.

He complimented me on my amateur recordings and asked about my mic placement technique....... blush I said, man, I know nothing, I just get lucky. laugh

Actually I get right up on the strings and hammers with the small condenser DPA 4011s. I was told by several prominent engineers that this would be the best route for someone like me to take. It takes my room out of the equation.

Last edited by Dave Ferris; 03/23/18 12:24 AM. Reason: added thought

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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Originally Posted By: JazzPiano88
Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Next to no examples out there with a Bosendorfer 214VC but with a little search I found this. Not a great recording, he's getting a lotta room but the beautiful singing quality and clarity for chords comes across in spades to my ears. All of a sudden I have GAS... cry

Boy they do sound great!! It's calling you, Dave! :):)


Oh man, I wish ! wink

I wrote the piano store and complimented them on the recordings, as well as Javi's tasty playing. I heard back from the recordist today.

He said he's just learning about recording piano and has been experimenting with different mics and placement.

The 214VC recordings were made with a pair of Neumann M150s, nice ! That explains the more distant *classical* type of sound he was getting. Listening again today, the room and more distant sound is a nice effect for this piano. I like it more today then yesterday.

The older 214, that had more definition, was a closer micing with a pair of 414XLS's in mid/side configuration with a little EQ. Both separate recordings used the DAV Broadhurst Gardens No.4 preamp.

He complimented me on my amateur recordings and asked about my mic placement technique....... I said, man, I know nothing, I just get lucky. laugh

Actually I get right up on the strings and hammers with the small condenser DPA 4011s. I was told by several prominent engineers that this would be the best route for someone like me to take. It takes my room out of the equation.


Wow. Recording an awesome acoustic piano. Way, way beyond my pay grade. Total props to the smart folks who figure out how to do this. I am not one of you, but I certainly appreciate your effort.

Here's the problem for me? Live acoustic piano is always an in-the-moment experience. An almost impossible recording challenge. For those who figure out how to do it, you rock.

I'm thinking close miking as you've done, plus a healthy helping of ambient. Because that's what makes APs amazing, the whole ambient experience, right?


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Hi Dave,

I've not had the pleasure of playing the VC series pianos. As a player with a lighter touch, one of the things that really drew me to the 225 over the 200 was the amount of sound that I could generate with the larger soundboard and the additional body provided by the 4 extra keys.

My relationship with Keyboard Concepts goes back to when they sold synths. I bought both my Korg M-1 and SG-1D from them many years before I got the Bosendorfer. I only met Dennis once when I went to inspect the Bosendorfer. I spent most of my time with Dawn DeMars (I think that was her last name) who used to manage the Thousand Oaks store (which moved to Agoura Hills). Dawn retired a few years ago - a very nice lady and quite a good pianist in her own right.

The tech that I use is the one that KC uses in the Ventura area. He's based in Ojai and we've actually become pretty good friends. I have to admit that I only get the piano tuned 3 times per year, but it's usually drifting somewhat noticeably in the last month before it's tuned again (hence, why it really needs 4 tunings). I haven't had any other work done to the piano in the 16 years I've had it, so perhaps it needs voicing or some other additional work?

Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.

Steve

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Hi Steve. I'll give you my tech's info. It's public on the RPT Guild site so I'm pretty certain she wouldn't mind.

Teri Meredyth
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She responds fastest with email. Tell her I recommended you get in touch.

She's highly trained and experienced with Bosendofer, Steinway, Yamaha and Fazioli. She recently retired from Royce Hall at UCLA after taking care of the pianos there for at least 25 years. Jeffrey Kahane, the LA Chamber Orchestra MD, conductor and pianist would have no one but Teri tune/voice/ regulate for him before a concert or recording session. He recently retired and Teri now takes care of his Fazioli 228 at his home in Pasadena.

She's in Harbor City , quite a distance from Ventura but she goes out to the Ventura Fairgrounds seemingly fairly often to show her two Belgian Malinois at the dog shows there. You might possibly set an appointment at a time to coincide with that. I know she loves hangin' in Ventura a lot. Who doesn't ! wink

If you've never had the piano voiced or regulated in 16 years , I could safely say it will be like your piano is reborn if you let her do her thing with it.

She just spent around 3 hours on my D - voicing and a little regulation - and it's like a different instrument.

I met Dawn once. Nice lady and yeah she could play ! Wow you might go further back with Dennis then me ! I don't recall him ever selling MI. But I do recall he was a Kawai dealer before Yamaha.

Again, the 225 is an incredible piano and I can't fathom you not being knocked out with her expertise. And conversely, I think she'd highly enjoy working on your piano. She might recommend a Dampp-Chaser if you don't already have one, to help stabilize the tuning.

Best with it and let me know how it goes. smile


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I completely understand the lasting impression BŲsendorfer grands have on people. I lived in Calgary in 1988 when the city hosted the Winter Olympics. Oscar Peterson opened the ceremonies on an Imperial Grand that remained in the showroom of a local music store (Western Keyboards, if I remember correctly.) I played that instrument every chance I got and it became my definition for the ideal piano.

Many years later I was finally in the market for my own piano. I didn't really have the budget or space for an Imperial, so I spent a significant amount of time trying to find an alternative whose action and tone inspired me in the same way. Needless to say, most options fell well short of the mark. Thankfully there was one exception. I was very pleasantly surprised by the Shigeru Kawai line. I felt engaged and inspired in much the same way, learned that a significant number of competition jazz pianists chose them for similar reasons, and felt that the aggressive pricing I was offered was too good to pass up. I took delivery of a 7'6" SK-7 a few weeks later and have been the proud owner ever since.

We've moved twice since then, which is always a nerve-wracking affair, and each time we have to list a replacement cost I'm astonished at how much more expensive the line has gotten. Evidently I'm not the only one who thinks highly of them.


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At 56, definitely on the list before I kick outta here. Been playing digitals for so long I totally freak out when I get a chance to play a nice acoustic. And there lies the problem. I like NICE pianos $$$. Enjoying my Montage 88 very much. Not complaining here.

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Just don't have the dedicated space for a grand. If I did, I've looked at many used Yamaha C5 pianos over the years. I've got a very old Mason-Hamlin vertical in the living room. When it's properly maintained it sounds excellent, although I'm thinking about getting rid of it. If I did, I would probably replace with a digital at this point, like a Kawai CA98.
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I recently played a Bosendorfer 280VC and a Yamaha S7X. Both very wonderful pianos. I felt like the Yamaha was a bit more versatile in regards to playing many different genres of music (classical, jazz, rock, pop, etc). It has that very percussive pop when a note is struck that is so popular with modern music. It also sounded like a good piano for recording. The Bosendorfer reached into the soul and was amazing. There was a special connection between the sound, feeling of the keys and tone of the instrument. I don't know how to explain it, but it was a unique connection.

I have friends that put that kind of money down on nice cars. I could easily pass on the car and spend on the piano. It is really great to wind down in the evenings after work by playing the piano.


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I was very pleasantly surprised by the Shigeru Kawai line.... I'm astonished at how much more expensive the line has gotten. Evidently I'm not the only one who thinks highly of them.


The piano I am bringing back from my parents' house is a Kawai upright. They bought it new almost 40 years ago when I was in school and getting better at playing piano. Over the years I go through EPs, romplers, DPs, and I still come back to that piano. Good action, good tone, and holds its tuning really well. Have to admit I would have an Imperial Grand if I had the moola and the space.

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I recently played a Bosendorfer 280VC and a Yamaha S7X. Both very wonderful pianos. I felt like the Yamaha was a bit more versatile in regards to playing many different genres of music (classical, jazz, rock, pop, etc).


Having had two Yamahas - C7 & S6 - I feel they are tough to beat for pop/rock/RnB type contexts in the studio. Engineers love 'em. They always sit great in a mix and don't have the thicker more complex overtones you have on a Steinway. Or a thinner tone you get on some European pianos. If the engineer has maintained the Yamaha and has good mics, preamp and the skill - they can sound great for Jazz too.

I'm confused with Yamaha's product line these days. You have the standard CX pianos, which are very nice and to my ears a great improvement over the old C series.

Then what appears to be the flagship CF/CFX. Which are really fantastic pianos!

Now a newer entry of the SX pianos , which seem to be positioned in between the CX and CF. I've never played an SX so I wouldn't know how it compares to my older '97 S6. It is confusing though with a lot of different price points. confused

The 280VC would leave anyone in awe after even 30 seconds on one. I played one literally days out of the crate at Keyboard Concepts. It hadn't been touched , not even a minor touch up tuning and it sounded fabulous. Such a different sound and experience from my piano. I still feel the NY Steinway is the most versatile and speaks the best to my everyday tonal preferences but the 280VC would be incredible to own needless to say.

I came across a promo endorsement for the 280VC from the iconic Andras Schiff. He's probably the most visible name Artist playing the VCs now in concert. He made a comment towards the end that was cool - "...most people think of the piano as a percussion instrument. I beg to differ. All instruments try to imitate the human voice". thu



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I believe the Yamaha SX series in about taking some lessons from Bosendorfer and applying to the Yamaha pianos. The S7x was less bright than the other yamaha pianos and had a touch of that Bosendorfer singing sound. I'm going to go play one again tomorrow. Too bad there are not more good recordings on youtube of both the Bosendorfer VCs and Yamaha SX pianos. I would love to hear some professional recordings.


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Equal time and a very cool lady.. cool



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Last year I sold my mother's house and sadly left my late 1800's Boston upright with the new owners. I did not have a place for it and could not find anyone who wanted it. At this stage of my life I'm perfectly happy with my RD-2000.

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Originally Posted By: cphollis
I guess we're different that way, Dave. I keep coming back to the traditional Bosie sound vs. the newer VC sound. To my ears, more character and warmth. But I guess there's a good reason why they now have two separate models.

Same for me. For the little that can be understood from the YT videos, I would tend to prefer the older model, with its warm and singing tone.
Last year, I fell seriously in love with a Boesendorfer 200; it just seemed to read my mind. A true mystical experience!
And the absolute best piano I have ever played was a 290 Imperial at the Colon Theatre in Buenos Aires. Piano perfection. After the concert, I kept playing it until they had to close the place and forced me to leave....

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I grew up with a Wurlitzer baby grand in my parents living room (this was the room in the mid-60's that we weren't allowed to go in, and the furniture was covered by clear plastic covers). I took lessons from age 6 to 8 (1966-68), but didn't stick with it. When we moved further out on Long Island in the early 70's, my mom had the piano refinished in gloss white, to match the modern "decor." Soon afterward I discovered ELP, Rick Wakeman/Yes, etc. and started up again, this time for real. Took lessons from '75-78 and got pretty decent, but always regretted I missed so many years to really learn the instrument. Played it constantly for hours/day during that time, then went off to college...the white piano went off to my sister's house in Michigan, to match the decor.

Years later, after paying off student loans, etc. and finally getting a house in 2002, I purchased a Steinway L in 2003- 50% down, and a year of payments to one of those piano loan companies (Allegro something-or-other). Only problem was, within a year or so my wife (a business journalist) started working from home. Between that and my own extremely busy work life, I really don't have time to play it as much as I want. By the time I get home, I am exhausted, and will occasionally noodle on it, or go to my little studio and play my keyboard with Pianoteq. Oh well...

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I have a 52 inch early 70s Kawai BL-61 upright in polished ebony.

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Regardless of what digital rendition of a piano I play, I always come back to my 60s schimmel upright with electrical lights. It sounds and plays fantastic, but I should probably get the clubs fixed. Still dreams of owning a realgrand though, had a really old Petrof when I was young, not he best piano though.

I have the space but not really the money to buy a grand piano, at least not in acoording to my wife :-). Yesterday I wenít into the yamaha pianocenter to play theyíre offerings. S6 was really nice and so was the G7x. 15 years(probably more) ago I was engaged in the board of a small countryside concert hall that brought fantastic classical musicians, the pianist Per Tengstrand and his his wife Shanshan sun stopped by to play solo and duets. They brought a Shigeru Kawai piano, SK6 I think it was, it came a couple of days before the concert and stayed for a few days after-I never played that much ever, best piano I ever played, Iíve been wanting one ever since.

We have a yamaha piano center and a few stores selling used pianos, but they are dying and old pianos are being given away(people here in sweden prefer big tvs instead of a real instrument...really sad, and then they buy a digital piano), throwed away, actually quite a few get shipped to eastern euorope. Since i pass Copenhagen regularily I need to plan a trip to the Steinway store.

Next up on our renovating scheme is the living room so perhaps time to get rid of the schimmel, some rhodes pianos and some other electric keys to get the real deal.

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I played the Bosendorfer 214VC, Bosendorfer 280VC, and Yamaha S7X this morning (and a few others). I actually thought I was going to fall in love with the 214VC, but I ended up pulling the trigger on the S7X! They were all amazing, and I would not mind owning a Bosendorfer 280VC some day, but not now. I preferred the S7X a little over the 214VC, but both are really amazing. I believe the S7X has the Bosendorfer sound board, and it has that extra 6 inches. To me it sounds like the perfect marriage between a Bosendorfer and a Yamaha - good for classical, pop, jazz, rock, recording, etc.


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Yamaha U3 52" upright downstairs. I bought it new in 2003.

Yamaha Montage 8 upstairs.

To be honest, I rarely ever play the U3. We'll be downsizing to a condo or townhouse somewhere in the coming years, and I'll sell it.


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When I graduated from university, the first thing I did was buy a Yamaha U1. Really nice upright that I've have for nearly 40 years. Several years ago I bought a Yamaha C5, which I've been very happy with.

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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I actually thought I was going to fall in love with the 214VC, but I ended up pulling the trigger on the S7X! . I preferred the S7X a little over the 214VC, but both are really amazing. I believe the S7X has the Bosendorfer sound board, and it has that extra 6 inches.


Whoa!! Start a thread on pianos and then buy one of those ! shocked twothumbs

Congrats.


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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I played the Bosendorfer 214VC, Bosendorfer 280VC, and Yamaha S7X this morning (and a few others). I actually thought I was going to fall in love with the 214VC, but I ended up pulling the trigger on the S7X! They were all amazing, and I would not mind owning a Bosendorfer 280VC some day, but not now. I preferred the S7X a little over the 214VC, but both are really amazing. I believe the S7X has the Bosendorfer sound board, and it has that extra 6 inches. To me it sounds like the perfect marriage between a Bosendorfer and a Yamaha - good for classical, pop, jazz, rock, recording, etc.

Congrats and enjoy!

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See what your guys did with all those piano stories! Haha! I wonder if my wife will believe me when I tell her the keyboard forum made me do it? wink

Hey, I just noticed I can change my profile name. Did not know I could do that. Nice to meet everyone!

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Congratulations on the new S7X! Hard to go wrong on anything in that league.

Yet another case of forumites helping forumites to spend their money ...


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Everybody has the space for a grand it's just a matter of priorities. True if the space is 12X12 it's kinda tight but hey a concert grand will fit...Seriously, I have a friend who's a skilled guitarist and his wife plays piano. They have a house that's about 1,200 SF. His living room looks like a music store and yes, he has a 9' grand in there and has parties.

I started on accordian as a kid, then switched to organ when I was in the Air Force. Never played piano at all until about 20 years ago. I simply got burned out on B3 and wanted to learn more piano so I bought an Alesis QS8, then a Kurzweil PC2X. Then my income was better so I decided to get a cheap but rebuildable grand and do it myself. It's a 1957 era Knabe that I completely dissembled, stripped, refinished, rebuilt and restored in my living room. I did everything including removing the plate and refinishing that too. The only thing I hired out was the repinning/restringing and the new keytops and action. I couldn't afford to have the action completely rebuilt (about 3K at the time) but it's not bad and has been worked on with new hammers and I put in all new felts including the dampers.

At 72, I just bought a home in a retirement community and moved in. It's the third time I've moved the piano and it still holds it's tune after each move. That confirms what I was told at the time I rebuilt it that the pinblock was solid, all we did was put in slightly oversized pins. At the time I was in a rented condo and wow, the noise from driving in all those pins! The guy showed up about noon and took all day and I got complaints when the neighbors came home.

I still gig with all the usual collection of digital keyboards we talk about but that Knabe is my baby. It's not the best piano around but sounds pretty good, I would have loved to have rebuilt a Steinway or something but couldn't afford that. I got that Knabe for $500 with hand painted brush marks all over it but underneath it's mahogany so I refinished it as natural wood. I did have thoughts of using that as a test bed, sell it and actually rebuild something better but that never happened.

My living room looks like a few of the pics here. It's a music and jam session room, not a typical living room.

Bob


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Originally Posted By: Jazzmammal
Everybody has the space for a grand it's just a matter of priorities.

True, like having a dining room table where the family can eat. Priorities, priorities. wink
So I had to compromise. Table and Kawai 52" upright. This Kawai sounds better than the Winter baby grand I had in a previous home. Doesn't sing as much, of course, but the overall tone is better.


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I like a good upright. In fact, my goal is to have both a grand and an inspiring upright. When I started piano at 7yrs old I learned on a small console piano that my parents purchased out the back of a truck from one of those passing dealers in the 70's. In high school they purchased a medium grade baby grand. It was better than the console, but not better than a good upright can be.

There is something special about playing rock and blues on an cool sounding upright piano. I also like the upright tone for Bach. I suppose I could collect pianos like some people collect cars or motorcycles...if my family will tolerate it wink


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It's kind of sad to see something that once was a focal point of the living room for entertainment be reduced to a throwaway instrument.

This is the same thing that happened to the home organ. When was the last time you saw a living room with one of those??

Those are the two keyboards that get played the most in my house, and both of them are in my living room... idk



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Piano move happened yesterday. Loving the real piano for the first time in years.

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I ended up pulling the trigger on the S7X!


Many congrats! I wish you many happy hours of discovery! That is a great piano! I played one right next to the 214VC when I was looking earlier this year. I preferred the tonality of the 214VC - but that extra 6" really opens a piano up. It doesn't sound like a lot on paper, but in the instrument, you get something.

Enjoy!

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Originally Posted By: The Real MC
Piano move happened yesterday. Loving the real piano for the first time in years.


sounds like a good weekend. twothumbs


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Piano move happened yesterday. Loving the real piano for the first time in years.
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I have two 56'' Bush and Lane uprights , each from approximately 1924. One is at a friends house, and I have the other one.

I like the 56 inch height and had sought them out for a long time. Bush and Lanes have a good reputation from piano techs who know.

Mine seem relatively stable.... no soundboard cracks and the strings are in good shape. I haven't gotten into hammer voicing on the one I have at home. I really would like to meet a good tech in my area to address this and do some regulation but most of them I talk to look at it as " just another old upright".

I know better. I need someone who really knows and respects Bush and Lanes. Del Fandrich is somewhat near me in Olympia Washington but I haven't made up my mind to load it and take it to him. I am still waiting for a local person who gets it about this instrument.

I am hearing its potential however. The low end on this instrument is unlike any other upright out there IMO. The rest of it is pretty good too.

I am in the Willamette Valley in Oregon if anyone could recommend someone to help me dial this in.

Re: What is your piano situation [Re: David Loving] #2917720
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Originally Posted By: David Loving
My parents bought a Baldwin Acrosonic when I was about 5. I learned on it. Like a fool I sold it. To atone, I bought another off eBay. I play it every day. Edit: I do not use the term "acoustic piano." That is redundant. A piano is the real thing. Instruments that seek to emulate it aren't pianos.

Hey David, I still have and play the Baldwin Acrosonic my parents bought me when I turned 6. It sure holds a tuning well and still sounds great although the hammer felt is a bit compressed making it a bit loud but I'm fine with that.


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Originally Posted By: The Real MC
Piano move happened yesterday. Loving the real piano for the first time in years.
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This one is coming home with me...


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Outstanding ! Again congrats.

After playing that beauty for some time, you'll morph into someone like me-- never wanting to hit another "on" switch in your life. wink thu


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Dave Ferris] #2918379
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My piano situation is that I still don't have one (digital or analog), several years after selling my Kurzweil. But I think it's good that I waited, as the new Kawai specs are awesome. Just have to find a chance to break away from work to try one out, at the only place in the vicinity that has them.

I did decide that I'd rather have a digital than an upright, as uprights are more upkeep than grands and harder to move, so the advantages are quickly lost. I do have space adjacent an unused fireplace, for an analog or digital upright or console piano, so at least space isn't an issue anymore.


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After selling my U1, I have opted for a VPC 1 and various piano libraries. It suits my need for portability and serviceability at this point. Perhaps I will have another acoustic in the future.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Ohm
This one is coming home with me...


It is a beautiful instrument! Again, best wishes on your journey with this special piano!

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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
never wanting to hit another "on" switch in your life.
I agree 100%Ö for pianos. OTOH, for a Hammond or some others, that's fine. But overall, I love walking over to the piano and just playing it.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Joe Muscara] #2918545
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I could amend that wish to allow for a Vintage Vibe or a Ken Rich Stage or Suitcase. cool


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I took a couple of quick shots of the piano this morning. FB friends here might have seen them already. I tried embedding the photo with the "enter an image" function but never could get it to work. Definitely computer challenged. If anyone can post the pictures without the link...please. And explain to me how you did it. idk

Coming up on 12 years this May 6 that I took delivery. Not a day has gone by where I don't realize how fortunate I am, and how lucky I was to be in the right place at the right time. smile

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I have not read the above thoughts. if you say piano to me.. I think acoustic.
In that case, my sad answer is- Never.


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I don't have an acoustic piano in my home but I do have access to several nice grands at the college where I teach. My favorite is a Steinway Concert Grand that has a very light action. I could play it all day.


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Originally Posted By: Michael Wright
I have opted for a VPC 1 and various piano libraries.
I had a chance to try out the VPC 1 at NAMM, but thought the action was a bit on the stiff side. The action on the Kawai MP11SE was my favorite, I would like to see that action in a VPC 2, but on the Kawai website a FAQ says this is currently not possible (it would require a larger case). I am using a VAX77 "Ultra Heavy" for the digital piano touch, but it is definitely a compromise...

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I grew up on an 1893 Bechstein grand, which dominated our modestly-sized living room. It was 203 cm, and the neighbors must have hated it. Wonderful people, though, they never complained, even though my mom had like ten to fifteen students per week, my dad usually played at least an hour a day, and then me and my bro dicovered the joys of boogie woogie.

Now I rent a humble Yamaha upright. Nice enough piano, Iím satisifed with it, but I would never buy it. Iím renting because I want to be able to call the store to take it back and not deal with having to sell it on ebay or craigslist. Selling a used piano in a hurry is not going to work out well.
The store does have a lovely Kawai Baby grand with my name on it. If we ever get a bigger place, Iíd scoop that thing up in a heartbeat.

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in the past 20 yrs i have used digital pianos; however i had my mother's 1950'2 Steinway console made nicely playable by a piano repairman [age 80's ] who did a great job-he is the piano tech for the university's Steinway D's and Fazioli's
not using Roland RD 800 nor Cp4 since getting the console back in action but still considering korg gs or rd2000upgrade ;also eventually will get perhaps a kauai Rx7 or YaC-7 or steinway B or C[used of course!!!!!!}

i do have a Kimball 1920's baby grand at my sister's house that i never play-gave it to her 26yrs ago-got tired of moving it each time i moved for med-surg residencies and jobs

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and Shigeru Kawai SK7 too

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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I took a couple of quick shots of the piano this morning. FB friends here might have seen them already. I tried embedding the photo with the "enter an image" function but never could get it to work. Definitely computer challenged. If anyone can post the pictures without the link...please. And explain to me how you did it. idk
Don't worry. It's not you, Dave. These images aren't set up to be hosted somewhere besides FB.

I saw your FB post with these and thought, wow, 12 years already? I mentioned it to my wife and she said, "he has you beat" because I'll be on 5 years with my Kawai this fall.


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Just passing this on in case anyone in the LA area might be interested.

My tech is here now tuning my piano and she mentioned one of her clients has an '80s era, she thinks '86, Yamaha C7 for sale at 15K. He doesn't play a lot anymore and his house isn't real big , so it sounds like he just wants the room. I had an '88 C7 and it was an incredible piano ! But you have to have the space for it of course.

Teri has maintained the piano for years and says the action still plays well. And the sound is good.

The seller is in W. LA. If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll pass along my tech's contact. She can answer any general questions about it.


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I have a Steinway model C, 7í4Ē. Itís a beast that has been in my family since early 1900s. Best piano Iíve ever played and simply beautiful.

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Cable baby-baby grand. Feels good, sounds good enough for jazz/pop.

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I was in the Valley this afternoon on a gig and was in the neighborhood, so I stopped by Keyboard Concepts.

I played the newer Bosendorfer 280VC, and right next to it was the Yamaha CFX. Wow, HUGE difference between the two ! While being a Yamaha fan and having owned two in the past, the CFX simply doesn't compare with the Bosedorfer in regard to complexity and refinement of tone. Having them side by side, the characteristics are instantly glaring how much difference there is. Hate to say it but the CFX sounded pretty vanilla next to the Austrian piano.

The 280 has such a sweet sound to it at a softer volume, I hated to play it loud. The Renner action was super responsive too. And the sound was crystal clear although thinner then my NY D. A very different animal.

They also had a 1914 rebuilt NY Steinway O (5' 10") that was very nice for 35K. Rebuilt with all Steinway parts- action and hammers, original sound board. A really nice sounding piano for a rebuild.

Sitting down to it, I was back in familiar territory. The NY Steinways are still my preferred sound.

But that 280VC was certainly fantastic, again just different.


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I have a 1967 Baldwin Acrosonic Spinet that I inherited from my Grandmother. Itís in fantastic shape. I would almost call it mint. It needs tuning and regulation, but the cabinet is flawless.

My folks have a Grinnell Bros. console, which is what I played growing up. Iíll likely inherit that, though hopefully no time soon. The images below arenít mine, but they are the same pianos I have.

To be honest, Iíd like to get rid of them and replace them with a Kawai CA98. Uprights have a wonky low/mid sound, and the action on a Kawai digital is fantastic. You can play with headphones, and thatís how I prefer to play.

I have a Kawai MP11 in my home studio, so a home version of it (in the form of a CA98) would be good for the living room. Someday...





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Piano was my first instrument. My parents got a gigantic old upright for free when I was eight, and itís what I first learned on, but the soundboard was cracked and by the time I started getting serious about it a few years after, we replaced it with a digital.

Since then I havenít owned a real acoustic piano, though I got to play some lovely ones over the years in college and the occasional recording studio. When my wife and I own our own place, I hope to finally own a real piano.

Side note: a few months ago I was in Syracuse having my Privia repaired, and the store owner heard me playing some Elton John on one of the baby grands and took me in the back to show me the Yamaha concert grand they rent out to touring artists in the region, including (for many northeast shows) Elton John.

His sales pitch: ďGot a quarter of a million dollars you donít know what to do with?Ē


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Wishing I had one. Hell, I wish I had the room for one, hahahahahahaha.

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Looks like the PX-5S will be my peak for now. Happily, I find it an inspiring instrument to play.

I've played a Bosendorfer Imperial (back in the 80's) and didn't really like it that much. My favorite no-budget-limit piano would be a 9' Baldwin grand; I just dig its tone. If I had the space (and retained my limited funding), I would quite happily settle for another piano I played on in the 1980s, of all things a 6' Young Chang.


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Originally Posted By: Sundown
I have a 1967 Baldwin Acrosonic Spinet that I inherited from my Grandmother.



That was my exact first piano, although I believe my Mom bought it around '65. It was how I learned to play, all by ear in my teenage years.

I picked out piano parts to Beatle songs, as well as Nicky Hopkins and Leon Russell licks. And learned quite a few Chuck Leavell solos on that too.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
They also had a 1914 rebuilt NY Steinway O (5' 10") that was very nice for 35K. Rebuilt with all Steinway parts- action and hammers, original sound board. A really nice sounding piano for a rebuild


tried to get this through the purchasing department. No luck so far. frown


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Cable baby grand. Good pins and harp, keeps tune. Dark, good for jazz, blues, pop, etc.

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I have a Yamaha U100, an equivalent to the U1, I think. I bought it used in a piano store for a moderate price after being quite shocked of how tinny some new 12000Ä uprights can sound. The Yamaha has a suprisingly mellow and jazzy sound, I immediately liked it.
It had a silent system already installed, and sadly, that's how I play it the most, because I'm mainly practicing at weird times and I don't wanna disturb my many neighbors.


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Wow - I'd hate to hear THOSE pianos. The local university has U100s in the practice rooms, and I find them quite tinny...but they'd be great for classic rock!!


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Yeah, I teach on Yamahas, can't stand how most of them sound. There must be something wrong with mine, because it sounds beautiful. smile


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Morizzle] #2974978
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The hammers haven't been compressed from excessive playing, which causes the tinny, bright sound.

Also, often university students can be quite heavy in their touch. Multiple that by X number of students + many hours played straight, with no break to let the felt return to its more relaxed state = an ugly sound over a period of years.


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Dave!!!! That makes total and complete sense. Thanks!


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I have a 1984 Schaefer & Sons (regional piano manufacturer in Southern California) console upright that my parents bought and what I used when I was younger. Still keep the thing tuned annually, I have a tuner that lives less than a mile from me. Nothing fancy, but it's an acoustic piano. I use it for practicing and spontaneous songwriting. I have recorded a couple songs on it.

Many people fantasize about owning a Ferrari or Lamborghini, I fantasize about owning a Steinway one day.

...One day.

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We have a Kawai studio that she lets me use if I tune it for free.

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Fully restored 1979 Yamaha U1. It sounded very bright at first, but my tuner/tech did a great job softening the hammers with his "meat tenderizer" tool.

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Yamaha YUX premium upright, looking to upgrade shortly to a mid-range baby grand. I play piano pretty much every day...more than my gigging gear...

Something like this 1948 Baldwin L would do me fine:

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I love this thread smile

It's funny, there is endless discussion about the various Leslie emulations, and I've been just now reading all about the ventilator 1 & 2, which some honestly feel can be mistaken the real thing. I have a 760 and a 21H converted to 2-speed. When I fired up logic X and checked out their Leslies, I was honestly shocked at how well the effect sounded. I could never confuse it with either of my Leslies, because they don't seem to hit my ears the same way in any respect, trem on or off. But I thought, and still think a bunch of these emulations sound great, and I enjoy playing them alot. I even like the funky Numa Compact 2 Leslie, LOL.

I have a bunch of VST pianos too, like everybody. Some are like 40 gigs. Compared to the gulf between a real piano and a vst or digi whatever, the leslie emulations seem near identical to the real thing.

I started with a crappy spinet in 1986, but a few years later I bought a new Young Chang U-121, which is a U1 clone. Had it ever since. I'm playing all the time now, moving between RT3, Numa, Logic/Kontakt and the U-121.

I brought the pitch up myself a month a ago and I've been getting after the sour notes on a regular basis, but it's still not at it's sweetest. It's dry here, but I have a humdifer.

Imperfect as it is, that thing puts me in a trance like no other instrument in the house. Stereo, Tremolo? Monochromatic babel to the crazy combination of buzzing tones bouncing of the black upright's sitka spruce sound board. Analog moogs are monotonus gruel in contrast to the spicy vibration of those strings, which sets off things inside my ears nothing else does. Doing my own tuning, it becomes really clear why they say you can't tune a piano LOL. It's a wild beast, unpredictable, willfully percussive, inconsistent, with nothing like the warmth and range of the Hammond, let alone the canned manners of a digital piano. That's asumming the mechanics are pretty good LOL.

I would give up every instrument, every piece of music I own, and the internet, before I let that thing out of my life. Or at least it very often makes me feel I would smile I am really nuts about my Hammond, but the upright plays me like a violin. Erogenous sonicity on another plane entirely. I could no more mistake a piano clone for it than a picture of a person for one in the room.


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I have an old upright with bad sluggish slow action and a variety of sticking keys. It sucks to play so i generally donít - but my wife thinks it looks nice where it is. I donít want to invest as much $$ as it would take to restore it to a lovely playable condition as I remember it from my childhood (yes, i ďrecoveredĒ my original childhood piano some 30+ years after I had last saw it).


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: uhoh7] #2978726
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Originally Posted By: uhoh7
I would give up every instrument, every piece of music I own, and the internet, before I let that thing out of my life. Or at least it very often makes me feel I would smile

Now that's what I'm talking about.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: samuelblupowitz] #2978840
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I am cognizant that many folks haven't heard a decent AP in the wild.

Yes, they've heard recordings, but it's nothing like being five feet away from an amazing instrument in a decent setting. I believe it's getting to be a more rare experience. Something to work on in our digital age.

Sort of like hearing a real pipe organ, for example. Ain't nothing like the real thing?

We have friends over socially on an occasional basis. The first thing they see in our living room is a full-blown Bosie 200 in my living room. It's not there as decoration. I play.

They're not quite sure what to make of it.

After a few drinks, I do my obligatory piano thing, hopefully to get them to sing along. I'm an entertainer at my core. They always comment on the full, enveloping sound (somewhat engineered on my part).

They also say I play quite well, but it's a low bar smile

Here's my point? There are not as many people as we'd like who have heard a decent piano played decently in a decent acoustic setting. When you expose them to the experience, they're inevitably converts.

Ain't nothing like a full-on AP experience in my world. Which I try to recreate in live settings, with varying degrees of success.


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I sold my Yamaha U3 yesterday - I bought it new 17 years ago.

My wife and I have sold our big ol' house and are doing the downsizing thing.

I honestly won't miss it as I thoroughly enjoy playing my Montage.


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Originally Posted By: Michael W
I sold my Yamaha U3 yesterday - I bought it new 17 years ago.

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A reason why I collect old keyboards is that I feel partly responsible for doing it, responsible for preserving history and being a custodian for these things
Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
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Originally Posted By: Michael W
I sold my Yamaha U3 yesterday - I bought it new 17 years ago.

My wife and I have sold our big ol' house and are doing the downsizing thing.

I honestly won't miss it as I thoroughly enjoy playing my Montage.


You won't miss the feel of hammered action?

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Kawai 6'10" grand in my living room!!! Along with a Hammond M3!!!


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Originally Posted By: guitpic1
Originally Posted By: Michael W
I sold my Yamaha U3 yesterday - I bought it new 17 years ago.

My wife and I have sold our big ol' house and are doing the downsizing thing.

I honestly won't miss it as I thoroughly enjoy playing my Montage.


You won't miss the feel of hammered action?


I finally have a real Hammond. The better weighted DP hammer actions are so much closer to AP, than any synth is to the Hammond. Hammond keys are super sensitive front to back, springs very light, but quick. Plastic is fantastic. I'm surprised nobody has bothered to make a great synth keybed like that yet, since we are all action obssesed, or at least action aware. To do it right, I think you need a long reach to the hinge like the hammond. But that could happen under faders and dials, so why not?

Once my thumb is up on the blacks I find the synths or TP/9 etc, so stiff for the rest of my fingers. TP/9 would be so much better with 20% softer springs. frown

But my old TP/30 hammer action is not far off my upright. It's heavier LOL.


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There are a few oddball keyboard lengths out there. The Pro 2 at 44 keys picks one of the less common spans, which is perfectly fine for it as a mono/paraphonic instrument. Personally, I find anything less than 61 pretty claustrophobic for two-handed playing.


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Originally Posted By: guitpic1
Originally Posted By: Michael W
I sold my Yamaha U3 yesterday - I bought it new 17 years ago.

My wife and I have sold our big ol' house and are doing the downsizing thing.

I honestly won't miss it as I thoroughly enjoy playing my Montage.


You won't miss the feel of hammered action?


Not really.

We plan to be somewhat mobile geographically in the coming years, and I just cannot be hauling an upright piano around with me wherever I go.

Besides, I've got peripheral neuropathy, but that's another story altogether.


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As usual interesting comments on here varying from acoustic snobbery to reality.
As a tribute band member I have had the same comments about my bands music vs the original band - "you're just a tribute" - but the majority of people say we sound "better than the original".
Thats not a boast, it's the simple laws that sound reproduction got better since 1970. Genesis sound then was not great.

The same applies to pianos.
I bought the Roland V-Grand in a HALF PRICE sale.
It is built like a baby grand and looks fantastic in our living room.
How does it sound and play?
It is fantastic, is fully adjustable like no acoustic can be and never goes out of tune.
I'm certain it is better than many strung pianos I have played because the sound and keyboard feel is so adjustable.
Once an acoustic is built you can't change it if you don't like the sound.
I'm sure the nay-sayers will be all over this post like a rash.... laugh



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Very interesting thread for me, as a dyed-in-the-wool piano adherent... sort of. As a kid, I started on a left-field Shoninger console with a larger-than-typical string compliment whose connecting 'elbows' were made of an early plastic that crumbled over time and killed the instrument. I loved that thing and the loss was crushing at the time. NOTHING captures you like an acoustic anything, really (Hammonds respected, of course), because that physical engagement often includes an abstract, spiritual component you can't get any other way.

I had my first experience with a Baldwin baby grand at my high school. I really got to enjoy the sheer power of a piano in a decent hall. I've rarely had both the space and the money appear together, so its been an increasing stream of improving electronic tools at my house. I've had the chance to seriously dig into a real Steinway (too dark for me), a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand (way above my skill set, let's be honest), several quality Yamahas (the sweet spot) and an unexpected Kawai of merit. I understand. Almost everything I do starts from a pianistic angle.

Then there was the time I was selling gear in a store and passed the first Roland RD-1000 we received into the hands of a pro who was ecstatic over it. We discussed the pros and cons of electronic vs. acoustic. His verdict won't be new to you. He said "I'll have to adapt to the new keyboard, but not much. More importantly, its sound is 95% of the way there. It'll keep me in practice and not annoy the neighbors. Sold!"

The Roland FP-3 and one of Yamaha's comparable early digitals impressed me. Both are much more advanced now. These days, its hard to find a really bad piano once you step outside the toys they sell at F-Mart. Engaging Casio's Privia line has been a continuing pleasure. I recently gave a friend's Pianoteq set a test run via Privia and was much impressed with both. Its amazing how many manufacturers try their hands at piano emulation and come up with great sounds involving very different approaches, even while rotating around a highly subjective ideal.

Nerve damage has f**ked my hands beyond the piano playing level. Fully weighted keys would be wasted on me now. Wanna try playing Rachmaninoff on an XKey? Bet you don't! I won't waste money on a flagship I can't fully play, so I'm approaching the time when a better piano option will be called for sound-wise. (Hello, Modartt). I'm sure you'd be horrified to watch me use my limited piano technique on an XKey or Korg TR61, but I've adapted. You know why it works? Because I can still recall how it felt to lay into that Baldwin in high school. I'm amazed that this tattered brain retains such mental muscle memory, but when you can hold on to part of your joy, its a firm hand to hold in the darkness. like


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Interesting.


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I am going slow in learning but surely I am making progress every week. I am following these piano lessons (a friend recommended me these lessons) https://musicgny.com/piano-for-all-review/ and currently I am on book 3. Hopefully, If I get more time daily I will spend more time in my learning. Can't wait to play songs i like on my piano.

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5'-2" P.A.STARCK baby grand from the 30s I think . no one ever played it ,still tight

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I recounted my search for a grand piano at this forum several months ago.

Ended up with this rebuilt 1907 Mason and Hamlin:


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Before this, I had a Story and Clark baby grand.
Before that, a Yamaaha upright.

Except for when I was in college, I've always been able to have an acoustic piano at home.

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