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What is your piano situation #2915992
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I recently upgraded my nord stage 2 to a nord stage 3. I use the keyboard a lot for piano, but I also have an acoustic piano in the house. In addition to the jazz/rock, etc., I like to study and play classical and contemporary piano music. I'm interested to know what others on the forum have in regards to acoustic pianos. Do you also play classical music or take lessons?

As much as I like keyboards, there is still no replacement for the feel of a real acoustic piano with a great action, imho. Anyone really into high end pianos?


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Several years ago, I pulled the trigger on a bucket-list acoustic grand piano. Blog post here.

I have no other justification other than I really, really enjoy playing it. It doesn't matter what I play, it's just a blast. As my work life eases up, I'm finding more time to get back into the classical music of my youth. No lessons at this time.

I think you'll find more than a few other forumites who've splurged on a nice acoustic grand, and many more who'd like to if circumstances permitted.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: cphollis] #2916003
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I grew up on the acoustic piano. Mom got me and my siblings a crappy no name upright to get started on around when I turned 5. Some time in my teens she found a great deal on a second hand Everett console (really common school piano back in the day) in mint condition. I practiced on this throughout high school and when home from university. On campus obviously we had access to some really nice instruments, Yamaha, Kawai, Bechstein, Bosendorfer etc. grands and baby grands in all sizes.

Needless to say, it's hard to go back - but 5'10" grands are hard to come by on a local piano player's budget. However, I have played a lot of nice instruments at institutions, churches, concert halls, schools, etc. I can give a big thumbs up to cphollis's recommendation of a Bosendorfer. I also like the Bechsteins, and you really have to play a Steinway for comparison because they are quite different from the other two. You're in Colorado, Bosendorfer lists these guys as their Denver dealer:
http://denver.classicpianos.net/
That's not a an endorsement, I've never dealt with them.
But, they apparently have Bosendorfers, Schimmel's and Mason Hamlins on the premises. So worth a drive over.

Here's some good reads:
http://www.pianoworld.com/Buying_A_Piano/Buying_A_Acoustic_Piano.html

https://www.pianobuyer.com/Issues/Fall-2017

And a community for acoustic piano owners:
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/1/1/piano-forum.html

For myself, as in my signature.
I had a 5'2" Chickering circa 1910 restored, everything replaced on it at a price I could afford and I'm entirely happy with it, as are my students, and if I ever want to upgrade someday, I'll trade it in for another restored model.

Another forumite Dave Ferris went all in on a Steinway D and he's expressed pure joy owning and playing it.




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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: ElmerJFudd] #2916006
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Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


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I would love to be into high-end pianos but funds don't permit it...

I do have a baby grand which is on its last legs, but still sounds lovely. It was my first purchase when I bought my first house 17 years ago - my living room had a sofa, a TV and a piano, and that was it for a while.

It's got a crack in the soundboard, pegs that always seem about to slip according to my tuner, and a sound in the bottom two octaves that's nowhere near what a concert grand should sound like.

But it's full of character, and good to play. Shame it's only got another 5-10 years in it before it's an unplayable write-off, apparently.

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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I also have an acoustic piano in the house.

I always have an acoustic piano in the house, to me a house is not a home without an acoustic piano, as there was always one from my earliest memories. I have moved often, and have had various piano's, never one like DF's or CH's, currently have a 52" Kawai upright as I've no room for a grand in my current home. Happy with what I have. cool


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Plus, old gear has a story. I like that.
Re: What is your piano situation [Re: davedoerfler] #2916017
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"a house is not a home without an acoustic piano"

True ...


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I had been without an acoustic piano for twenty years. I had DPs and piano modules with weighted key MIDI controller, but always enjoyed plunking around on the real thing. Had been renting for too long and am about to build my own place so I'm finally able to get a piano. My parents' house has to be sold due to long term care and I am about to move their Kawai upright to my place - the piano I learned to play on. It is 40+ years old but in great shape.

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My parents bought a Baldwin Acrosonic when I was about 5. I learned on it. Like a fool I sold it. To atone, I bought another off eBay. I play it every day. Edit: I do not use the term "acoustic piano." That is redundant. A piano is the real thing. Instruments that seek to emulate it aren't pianos.

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Originally Posted By: WavePackets
I'm interested to know what others on the forum have in regards to acoustic pianos. Do you also play classical music or take lessons?

From a very young age I took lessons on a Yamaha vertical which my parents bought - couldn't tell you the model, wouldn't have been overly expensive. It was quite small but sounded ok and did the job! I imagine both the purchase of the piano and the ongoing private lessons for my brother and me would have been a considerable financial impost for mum and dad, and it's a gift for which I'm eternally grateful.

These days I own a Baldwin BP152 baby grand. It is most definitely not in the league of the amazing pianos some of the chaps on here own, but it sounds very nice and I love playing it.

In my teen years I played classical music as part of the process of passing exams, but like acne, nervous first dates and illegal drag racing, those times have long disappeared from the rear-view mirror.

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Yamaha U1 upright. Bought it new about 6 years ago. Great instrument!


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Originally Posted By: Legatoboy
Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


I have a Yamaha UX-3, about that vintage. Could it be the same model as you have? At any rate, I love to play it. In my town, there aren't any restaurants/ bars with acoustic pianos anymore. There are some churches, schools with Steinways, but I do not have real access to them. So, my personal piano is the best one that I play.


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I always dreamed of owning a grand piano. Taking lessons, my piano teacher would allow me to play a piece on her grand once I'd demonstrated mastery on the spinet. Then in high school, I fell in love with a C7 in one of the practice rooms.

Fast forward 9 years of college and a postdoc, I finally got a real job where I can afford a grand. Unfortunately this was in San Jose where I couldn't afford the house big enough to put it in. smile

Fast forward another 20 years, I relocate back to the midwest for quality of life reasons and now have the space. Purchased a Yamaha C7D a few years ago and couldn't be happier!


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Thanks for the info and stories. It sounds like there are some really nice pianos among the players on this forum. I started classical piano lessons at 7yrs old and was serious about it until about 16/17yrs old. I recently returned more focus back on classical piano study and I am enjoying the challenge. I even found a good teacher and started lessons again! I have a Mason & Hamlin Model A grand piano that needs some work on the action. Recently, I did go to Classic Pianos in Denver and enjoyed playing some really nice pianos. If money was no issue, I could easily enjoy buying a few of them.


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: JazzPiano88] #2916083
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I've always had a piano in one shape or size.

My Mom had a Baldwin Acrosonic in the home growing up. It was important in early development in that I picked songs and parts off records. Chuck Leavell solos, Leon Russell, Nicky Hopkins and parts off Beatle records.

Then had a small, old Chickering baby grand that I got cheap in our first rental house at 19. That served me well until we moved to LA in '79.

I then bought one of these for $1100 at a piano store in Hawthorne that was going out of biz:
http://www.kohlerandcampbell.com/km247.html

That piano was a workhorse to put in mildly. Saw many hours and four different moves.

When we able to finally afford our first home in Sherman Oaks, a few years after we were able to swing a brand new Yamaha C7E. We paid half in cash and floated a loan for the other half. 1988 pricing on a new C7E was $13,300 + CA. tax. shocked

Then in '97, when we moved over to Glendale from the Valley, I traded the C7 in on a Yamaha S6. It was a NAMM piano so my longtime friend, Dennis Haggerty, owner of Keyboard Concepts, gave me a great deal on the trade and price.

The S6 was another workhorse. It was the height of my practicing hours - '97 to '06. It was rare when I was under 3 hours a day. Most days it was four to five. When I sold the handmade Yamaha, it really needed new hammers.

Then I found the Steinway D on Ebay, at Creston Community College in Iowa. The owner - who chose it from six at Steinway Hall - fell into dire financial straits and had to unload it at 9 months old. Basically I was in the right place at the right time, for only the second time in my life. The other was meeting my wife in HS in St. Louis, Mo in 1970.

I was able to sell the S6 for a little under half of what I paid for the Steinway. So that made it doable.

I'm coming on the 12 year anniversary of delivery this May 6. I just had it voiced and regulated to the tune of $300. It was very much "that time" as the tone was losing that beautiful warm Steinway timbre. You just sort of get into a practice routine and don't notice it and then all of a sudden it's not so subtle anymore. It's like a tune up on a high end carÖ.or any car for that matter.

Yes, I'm very blessed and fortunate in that I've had a dedicated space and high quality grand since 1988. My whole development has largely been based off that.

I find it sad that so many deserving players can't afford a quality instrument today because of the high prices new. But as we went into in that other recent thread -- the used market is very healthy and a buyer's market if you know what you're looking for and are even willing to travel a bit.


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Baldwin upright c.1964 Both my sister and I took piano lessons from ages 4 and 6, so it got a fair workout. My sister acquired it when she went off to college and still has it (but last time I heard it, around Christmas, it occurred to me that she really needs to tune it).


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Been playing my grandfather's 1923 Bush & Lane upright grand for the last 20 years since his passing. One of the most resonant uprights I've ever played. Still has the original ivory keys!


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Re: What is your piano situation [Re: Dave Ferris] #2916092
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Started at age eight on a no name player piano with the player mechanics taken out. Early high school age my folks bought a Chickering 6í grand that I played for about 25 years.

When it would no longer stay in tune and my tuner/technician said it was not worth putting money into, I bought a Schimmel 6-10 LE. About a year later, the store owner called me up and said there had been soundboard failures due to a change mandated by the German equivalent of the EPA. Something to do with laquering - water vs. oil based, as I recall. They gave me a new identical model that Iíve had ever since.

While I have a nice big high-ceiling room now for the piano, I donít know what I will do when I want to downsize, real estate-wise. Kind of the tail-wagging-the-dog when Iíve perused listings for condos, townhouses or apartments. I love playing it and would hate to give it up.

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In late 2010, I bought a used Baldwin Howard C-171 5' 8" that a local church was selling. At the time, both my wife and self were taking classical lessons. We had some regulation and hammer work done when it was moved into our home.
Eight years later, it still dominates the living room, and is still enjoyable in a different way from any of the electronics.
Like others here, I'd like to have a Bosendorfer Imperial Grand, but frankly would need a considerably larger home for a 9' concert grand. Besides, what I have exceeds my playing ability.


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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
When we able to finally afford our first home in Sherman Oaks, a few years after we were able to swing a brand new Yamaha C7E. We paid half in cash and floated a loan for the other half. 1988 pricing on a new C7E was $13,300 + CA. tax. shocked

Less than the price of a used Honda Prelude!! :):)

I always like to make the point that for a serious pianist, or a pianist who wants to have serious enjoyment, the barrier to entry on a decent grand piano is not that much compared to items we think nothing of forking over tens of thousands of dollars on items that depreciate to worthless in 10 years or less (e.g. new cars).

And then there is the comparison with discretionary luxuries... 10 years of smartphone cell phone bills or cable TV bills will buy you a really really nice used conservatory grand.

Ooops, sorry for the digression...

Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I find it sad that so many deserving players can't afford a quality instrument today because of the high prices new. But as we went into in that other recent thread -- the used market is very healthy and a buyer's market if you know what you're looking for and are even willing to travel a bit.

Exactly! Be willing to look for a good used instrument. And, as above, recognize that it is a long term expense dedicated to your enjoyment, that is not comparatively dissimilar to other everyday expenses.


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Right ! I mean my wife and I are pretty frugal for the most part. She just bought her first iPhone about year ago because her company stopped paying for the flip. And I still don't own a smartphone. We have one computer in the house - an '09 iMac - and no other mobile devices. Our TVs are 10 and 20 years old.

Our fridge, washer and dyer are all 21 years old now. We just keep fixing them when they break. Our Panasonic microwave has to be at least 25 years old.

I don't drink at all and her, maybe a glass of wine with dinner. If we spend more then $35 for both of us on dinner out, it's a big deal.

We haven't set foot in a movie theater in at least 15 years, if not longer.

We buy new cars but drive 'em till they're ready for the junkyard. I spent 32K on the '16 Forester. At 64 that was the most we'd ever spent on a car in our lives.

Here in the "Car capitol" of the world , both of us have friends that routinely go out and drop 60-75K on a new car, keep it for a few years, trade it in, lose a ton of money and buy new again.

And then they freak when I tell them I spent 30K on a piano that now lists at 160K and 8K on a Potts 29er Mtn. bike. Both of which I'll have and use every day for the rest of my life..hopefully.

We never had kids, so yeah that's a huge thing !


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25 years ago I enherited my grandmotherís baby grand piano, a nice Danish instrument from 1915. She graduated as a classical pianist, but never used her education after she married. She did however play in silent movie theaters as a young woman around WW1. I would have loved to hear that.

I have had some work done on the action and hammer heads, and it would meet my needs perfectly with new tuning pins and new bass strings, but I do not seem to be able to convince any piano technicians to fix this for me - although several of them have offered to buy the instrument. Funny. Anyway, it is still my go-to piano, when I play alone or with my kids - I love it.

Cheers, Morten

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Many years ago - can't remember exactly, but let's say about 30 - after struggling with several uprights, I said to myself, if you want to call yourself a pianist, you have to own a decent grand piano. I looked around for a few months, then I stumbled on an used Yamaha G2 from 1974, in very good conditions. The owner was a doctor who was going thru a divorce and a move; he had used the piano very sparsely, and had a certain urgency to get rid of it. I paid the equivalent of about 7000 Euros of today, which was a good price for the times, althought it was all I had in the bank... it's been my workhorse since then. It's 175 cm long, which is a respectable lenght to bring out the bass, etc. I had my tech doing various work on it along the years, to improve the action and sound, anf he also built and installed a mute, which I use sometimes to avoid driving the neighbors crazy. And now it's time to replace all the felts.... I'm collecting the money for that right now.

Frankly, it's not the best piano in the world, but for my needs (basically, studying and giving lessons) it's ok. I would never think to record with it. Every time I play a Boesendorfer 200 or a good Steinway, I think, "life is unfair".... grin but then again, if you own a great piano, you also need an adequate space to put it in, to be able to record and reharse with others... I don't have that either, so that's the best compromise at the moment.

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I learned to play by ear on an old upright when I was small, never had any lessons so I'm not really a piano player.

A couple of years back my wife spotted a "bargain" Roland V-Grand at half price in a local music shop and forced me to buy it laugh
So I bought it.
It is a beautiful piece of work and has the benefit of not needing to be tuned - it can sound like various other pianos.

I have had "purists" tell me it is not a real acoustic piano but frankly that is BS because that is exactly what it sounds like.
Love it. like


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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys


I have had "purists" tell me it is not a real acoustic piano but frankly that is BS because that is exactly what it sounds like.


I think the V Piano is a wonderful instrument that can emulate an incredible range of acoustic pianos, including many not found in the physical world.

But I wouldn't say it's identical to an acoustic piano, where we're talking vibrating physical strings, soundboard and case vs. speakers or headphones.

Not better or worse, just different? Having played both, they aren't the same experience -- at least to me.


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Yamaha YUX Upright 1988 or so...good piano for what it is. Hoping to upgrade to a Baby Grand in a few years after retirement! The YUX gets played everyday ... don't practice on digital unless out of town.


I have a Yamaha UX-3, about that vintage. Could it be the same model as you have? At any rate, I love to play it. In my town, there aren't any restaurants/ bars with acoustic pianos anymore. There are some churches, schools with Steinways, but I do not have real access to them. So, my personal piano is the best one that I play.


It could be, it apparently has the X cross bracing for tuning stability as the YUX does. I have heard the YUX's and X series in general are the top of the line U series for it's time and were used in practice rooms for classical piano competitions! Better grade hammers, the sound baffle triangulated front to bring the sound closer to the player, X cross bracing and a few other enhancements above the basic U line Upright Yamaha model . . . .

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I had started on a Lowry organ in Ď66 when I was 8 and, while I loved the organ, the piano was calling me. So, I bought my first piano, a used Baldwin Acrosonic, in Ď77 when I was 19. Taking up piano at 19 was a bit intimidating and since I wanted to progress quickly I took classical lessons for two years. I had an awesome teacher (a Julliard Grad) and I practiced a lot at that time. I played the Baldwin until I bought a new Yamaha C3 conservatory grand in Ď99. Almost all of my practice is on this piano. I love it!

After being without an organ for decades I bought my first Hammond -- a '62 A100 / Leslie 145 -- five years ago which reignited my love for the organ. Surprisingly, I don't play the A100 very much because the C3 calls me more loudly.

Iíve played many Steinways through the years and even had the pleasure of playing Chuckís Boise, which is incredible. While I certainly appreciate the difference between the higher end pianos, I still love my C3. Having said that, if I won the lottery...

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I started on accordion in the 4th grade, mostly because my parents didn't think I'd stick with it, and did not want to spring for a piano. That kind of backfired on them.

Within about two years, they bought me a Wurlitzer console piano from one of those mall retailers in the 70's. I played that thing nearly every day until I got married and moved out. Our first apartment wasn't large enough to accommodate the piano, so it stayed at my parent's house until a few years into our own first home. I played that piano until 2011 when I donated it to my son's youth orchestra foundation.

At that time, I bought a Pramberger PS-157 through one of those college sales programs as sort of a 50th birthday present. The Rockley Family Foundation sponsors the program (as they seem to do at several schools around the country) where they sell/rent/donate instruments to the college and then sell them off after a year or two. I can't tell if I got a good deal on the piano itself, but it came with a 10 year warranty and some interest free financing. The dealer I work with could not be any nicer. I've had several different piano techs and other musicians look at it, and they are all very complimentary.

It has a tendency to get a bit harsh at times, so I get it voiced about every other year. I've also discovered that some of that sound comes from my own playing style, so the piano is teaching me to be a better player. It's very nice sounding when it's in tune, but I don't think I've ever been inspired by it. I'm getting close though, as I continue to study and become a better player.

I also have a Roland RD-800 in my basement studio. I really enjoy playing that. I used the Piano Designer to create a customized piano voicing that I really enjoy. I also made a Rhodes voicing that is a joy to play. I like the feel and response of the action, and it records well.

I use a Nord Stage 2EX 76HP for rehearsals and gigs. I know a lot of people are down on the TP100 action, but I discover new things about it all the time. People consider it "heavy" but I've found that that gentler I play, the more the instrument sings. I rely on a few piano samples for most of my stuff (Grand Lady D and Amber Upright are my workhorses), but I like swapping out the different samples to see how they sound in different live contexts. A few of the Rhodes samples are very playable as well.


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Young Chang Pramberger (SP?) 6 foot. I like it, but do not love it and regret not aiming somewhat higher at the time of initial purchase. I had my eye on a used Baldwin that I liked playing as much as the Steinways they had on hand, but it was just out of reach financially.
At the time I bought it, the store had a policy that they would give you FULL credit of your purchase price towards a new piano. I thought I would pay it off and trade up, but the store went under!!!!
I have often thought of putting the Young Chang up for sale for a price that would make at least a substantial dent in a new piano- maybe on the high end of what I would expect to get for it, and not be in a rush to sell. I see decent looking Steinways listed privately for pretty reasonable money now and then. I'd have to have the money on hand, ready to pounce and pay cash.


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Originally Posted By: Beethree
Young Chang Pramberger (SP?) 6 foot. I like it, but do not love it and regret not aiming somewhat higher at the time of initial purchase. I had my eye on a used Baldwin that I liked playing as much as the Steinways they had on hand, but it was just out of reach financially.
At the time I bought it, the store had a policy that they would give you FULL credit of your purchase price towards a new piano. I thought I would pay it off and trade up, but the store went under!!!!
I have often thought of putting the Young Chang up for sale for a price that would make at least a substantial dent in a new piano- maybe on the high end of what I would expect to get for it, and not be in a rush to sell. I see decent looking Steinways listed privately for pretty reasonable money now and then. I'd have to have the money on hand, ready to pounce and pay cash.


I think I recall that Samick bought the brand from YC sometime prior to my purchase (or something like that - following the piano industry is not a hobby of mine). It's a PS model and not an SP, which I think was/is the midrange of the line. I believe it was built in Indonesia. The techs who have looked at it say nice things, but I can't tell if they're just hiding their honesty.

Link to model page

I have to admit some level of ignorance at the time. If I were purchasing today with the same budget, I would more closely look at the pre-owned Craigslist ads and bring a tech with me. There are a lot of nice pianos out there.

Now is not the time, however. We are only a few years away from retirement and lifestyle change, including most likely a relocation and downsizing. I'll happily play the piano for the next few years. I may not be in love with the instrument, but it is still very nice sounding and easy to play.


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