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#2921260 - 04/13/18 11:47 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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#2921263 - 04/13/18 11:57 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
Crumar v. Nord EPs is no contest. Crumar houses the Nord. The SV-1 is better than the Nord. As a package the Nord Electro is solid but the EP's are not it's strong suit. Jack of all trades and all that.


I agree the Nord is a good all rounder. But stick the organ through a Vent and I think it’s pretty good. You can coax decent EPs out of it with careful application of EQ and drive. Considering the EPs are tiny by today’s standards I’m always surprised at how OK they sound. However, I struggle with clavs - FX like auto wah help.

But like the Gemini, the Seven EPs and Clav sound great straight out of the box.


Edited by ZefrKeys (04/13/18 12:07 PM)

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#2921272 - 04/13/18 12:36 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: M_G]
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Originally Posted By: M_G
I am impressed by the latest vids but I am not a fan
of the TP100 at all.....


I would rather get a root canal without novacaine, while sitting on a bed of rusty nails in the dentist chair than play piano on a TP/100 action, but that's just me.
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#2921275 - 04/13/18 12:44 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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#2921276 - 04/13/18 12:48 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
Crumar v. Nord EPs is no contest. Crumar houses the Nord. The SV-1 is better than the Nord. As a package the Nord Electro is solid but the EP's are not it's strong suit. Jack of all trades and all that.


2010 called. They want their 5MB clav sample back.
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#2921278 - 04/13/18 01:02 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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It's interesting, I have a SL88 Studio, which I just bought and it has the TP-100 action. I have a Nord Stage EX 76, which has the TP40. I'm actually thinking I prefer to play piano on the SL. To each his own.....

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#2921280 - 04/13/18 01:09 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZefrKeys]
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For me is becoming more and more important the simplicity at gigs. Besides my playing it means that the less hooking up (is that the word) I have to do the happier I am. So Nord + Crumar seems to be best and easieast solution for me now.

For a while ago, I used to gig with Yamaha CP5, Hammond XK3c with Leslie 3300 and later Vent2, Receptor 2 Pro to cover all superior-imitating sounds. And yes, of course I had also my accordeon with me. Then I realized that even the sound was quite perfect, I’m not skilled enough to control everything. So, it formed too much stress for me. Yes, just me:)

So, now I think my audience will be as happy with Nord and Crumar than before with my rig that made me stressed out:)

Maybe I just wanted to say, that this is good way of compromising thigs.
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#2921292 - 04/13/18 02:15 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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„Crumar v. Nord EPs is no contest. Crumar houses the Nord. The SV-1 is better than the Nord. As a package the Nord Electro is solid but the EP's are not it's strong suit. Jack of all trades and all that.“


Sorry, but i must contradict here. For one week i had my Nord Stage and the Crumar Mojo 61 side by side here and i found the Nord Rhodes (espacially the newer Nefertiti sample) and Wurlitzer 2 sample more dynamic and overall better then in the Mojo. As much as i liked the details which you can here in the physical modeled Mojo sounds, for live on stage i would prefer my Nords all the time. I have also a Rhodes MkII and a Vintage Vibe EP which i take on stage and the Nords for my taste are still the best compromise to emulate ep‘s live, Kurzweil Forte included. For me Nord still has the best finger-to-sound-connection.The Rhodes tone of the Mojo was very detailed, as i wrote yet, and the resonance ist great and very natural, but the tone for itself was less similar to my real Rhodes then the Nefertiti Nord, which you can tweak very effective with the eq there, not to mention the great effects which you can tweak on the fly. Even the Hammond sound, which is great in the Mojo, is not light years ahead to the Nord. At the end of the day it’s primarily a matter of taste but not of better or worse. So the Crumar Seven as well is a nice alternative which one can choose, but nothing which blows everything else out of the water.


Edited by 1203 (04/13/18 02:28 PM)
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#2921296 - 04/13/18 02:30 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: 1203]
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Originally Posted By: 1203
For one week i had my Nord Stage and the Crumar Mojo 61 side by side here and i found the Nord Rhodes (espacially the newer Nefertiti sample) and Wurlitzer 2 sample more dynamic and overall better then in the Mojo...For me Nord still has the best finger-to-sound-connection


While not at all intending to discount the legitimacy of preferring Nord's EPs to Crumar's (as you say, it's a matter of taste), I wonder how much of a factor the action was, i.e. how you would have felt if you had compared the Mojo not to your hammer action Stage, but to your SW Electro 5D loaded with the same EP sounds. (Or for that matter, how you would have felt about the Crumar sounds if played from the Stage's hammer action.) Any chance you had a chance to try any of that as well?
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#2921298 - 04/13/18 02:44 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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I played the Mojo ep‘s from the hammer action of my Stage and i played the Nord ep’s from the waterfall keybed of the Mojo (which is nice). Same result for me.
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#2921302 - 04/13/18 02:48 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: 1203]
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It’s difficult for me to explain it in english, but for my taste all of the Nord sounds had more „punch“ and i think that they sound better turned loud and cut better in a loud band.
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#2921306 - 04/13/18 03:51 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: 1203]
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Originally Posted By: 1203
i think that they sound better turned loud and cut better in a loud band.


certainly in the heat of battle things sounds different than home or in the studio
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#2921313 - 04/13/18 05:15 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: davedoerfler]
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another Wurlitzer demo

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#2921325 - 04/13/18 07:11 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: davedoerfler]
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I would rather get a root canal without novacaine, while sitting on a bed of rusty nails in the dentist chair than play piano on a TP/100 action, but that's just me.


I despise it for piano playing. I cannot figure out why it's so widely used.

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#2921336 - 04/13/18 08:07 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
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I would rather get a root canal without novacaine, while sitting on a bed of rusty nails in the dentist chair than play piano on a TP/100 action, but that's just me.


I despise it for piano playing. I cannot figure out why it's so widely used.


Because Yamaha, Roland, Korg and Kawai don't sell their actions to other developers and Fatar's TP-100 is lighter than the TP-40 and better than anything from China like Medeli or Williams or what have you.
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#2921342 - 04/13/18 09:09 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons

I despise it for piano playing. I cannot figure out why it's so widely used.


If you look at the post above yours you'll see that Frank Montis has a rebuttal argument for you. My impression is that it is not widely used, which is why most likely cannot drop into your local music store and play it, which is the only rational way to decide these things.

There are folks playing piano on unweighted Nord Electros, not because they prefer, but because they judge it to be a reasonable gigging compromise. That same thought process can lead one to decide TP100 is acceptable. Rather easily in my opinion.
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#2921375 - 04/14/18 05:54 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
Originally Posted By: M_G
I am impressed by the latest vids but I am not a fan
of the TP100 at all.....

I would rather get a root canal without novacaine, while sitting on a bed of rusty nails in the dentist chair than play piano on a TP/100 action, but that's just me.
Originally Posted By: Bobby Simons
I despise it for piano playing.

Getting back to something earlier in the thread, if you are ragging on the TP100, I think it would be helpful to know which you've tried, because many of us have noticed they don't all play the same. If I had only played the Artis, Aruria, and Numa Nano, I'd be with you guys. But I've also played it on the Dexibell and Numa Stage where, even if not among my favorites, I found it quite playable. So personally, even while no great fan of the TP100, I would not dismiss the Seven based on action without getting my hands on one.

Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
2010 called. They want their 5MB clav sample back.

While I do wish they had release samples (despite the fact that presumably nobody in the audience would notice), I have to say that the clav plays really nicely from the NE5D with its quick release. The low release point was added in a Mojo61 update, I'm guessing the Seven has that as well, though partially countering my previous statement above, I would not be optimistic about clav being nicely responsive on any TP100, I think you'd want something inherently "snappier." I think a 3-sensor TP-40L (if there is such a thing) might be a good candidate for ideal clav action.
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#2921498 - 04/15/18 04:00 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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About the TP100: i am an happy owner of a NE5HP; i am not a great pianist, but i have a nice vertical Rameau, and at school i play a Steinway model B.

Yes, the TP100 is by far not the best action i play; but my dexterity level is low enough that the impact of the keybed on my playing is limited with respect to my natural limits; i play mostly EPs with it but sometime AP when i use it with the school group.

I choose the NE5HP as a compromise between multiple factors (in my case, portability, sound, keybed and real time sound tweakability), and i decided to handle the keybed by practicing to get used to it.
I cannot bring a VPC-1 or an MP11 on the Parisian metro :->. Even a CP-4 would be problematic for my use.

What i mean is that the different product represent different optimal points in the compromise space, depending on your skills and needs. I may understand that if you are a good pianist, using deeply all the nuance a good instrument provide you, you may rightly find the TP100 unacceptable; but there are many other cases where it become the (only) acceptable solution.

About the Seven, no opinion yet, i hope to find it soon in a Parisian music shop to try it out :->

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#2921568 - 04/15/18 01:26 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: mauriziodececco]
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audio from videocamera (or smartphone)...
but here you can understand that the acoustic piano is good too laugh

here keys

see also all the other videos on that channel, for other sounds and effects from Seven, here...

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#2921569 - 04/15/18 01:42 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: KRK]
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Sounds very nice - I can't wait to get my hands on one!

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#2921571 - 04/15/18 01:55 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: KRK]
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Sounds nice through phone:)

I'm pretty sure this is the sampled piano.
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#2921575 - 04/15/18 02:18 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: KRK]
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But here you can understand that the acoustic piano is good too
There is either too much pedal sustain or too much reverb applied to the acoustic piano. I found that with the sampled piano in the Gemini where I had to make a harp adjustment, it had to be significantly reduced. Here in the modeled piano (I'm assuming that it is the modeled one) it seems to be even more exaggerated than the sampled piano. You can really here it between the 45-50 second mark where the overtones are just not natural sounding, they have washed out the sound. Since I reduced the harp adjustment on mine it could be the reason this one sounds that way to me.
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#2921579 - 04/15/18 03:07 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Delaware Dave]
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You can really here it between the 45-50 second mark where the overtones are just not natural sounding


between 45-50 sec there is a pad in layer (than a delay effect too), so it is difficult to "capture" the piano overtones... laugh
(maybe the pad add frequencies, in this case)

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#2921590 - 04/15/18 04:08 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Bronks]
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Originally Posted By: Bronks
Sounds nice through phone:)

I'm pretty sure this is the sampled piano.


No, that was the modeled piano.

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#2921610 - 04/15/18 07:13 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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The Vibes... I like! Max Tempia seems to get along well with the Seven!s action.


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#2921612 - 04/15/18 07:16 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Jazz+]
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The modeled Piano behaves very musically, lots if subtle dynamic characteristics

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#2921623 - 04/15/18 10:55 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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I'm surprised, though is hard to tell from phone-recording. Have you made an update for sampled piano? Because in my Seven sampled piano sounds significantly more authentic than modeling.
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#2921649 - 04/16/18 07:04 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Bronks]
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Has anyone with a Seven worked on their AP with the Editor? When I look at the possibilities available Manual P32-33 I don’t understand how it couldn’t be shaped to anyone’s satisfaction.
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#2921655 - 04/16/18 07:38 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: drawback]
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I just read the manual and it looks like there ought to be plenty of control to dial it in to taste.

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#2921659 - 04/16/18 07:53 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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that was the modeled piano.


Max's video here of the modeled piano sounds much better than the demos posted a few weeks ago. Now they sound legit. Now there is no reason for anyone to hesitate on dropping the coin for the Seven.

And no, I'm not drinking the Kool-Aid. If I is was I'd be playing a Casio PX5 or Forte with a Legend Live running through a Ventilator amped up by a Spacestation. That's the Kool-Aid Man's rig.

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