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#2913900 - 03/09/18 06:37 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Any word as to TP 100 or 100, Dave?
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#2913901 - 03/09/18 06:39 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Al Coda]
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Is it just me, or does the AP sound terrible? Hard to tell with demos, but to lug a 50+ lb monster to gigs the piano needs to sound amazing. The other sounds are great, but same with my CP4 at almost half the weight.

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#2913902 - 03/09/18 06:40 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Synthoid]
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It looks cool, that's for sure. Not sure how the modeled AP stands up against some competition here - Nord Electro HP, Korg Grandstage 73.

Not a fan of the TP-100. Bleh.

Looks very Rhodes-ish. Not sure there's anything that I would sell existing gear to fund.
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#2913907 - 03/09/18 06:48 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Its difficult to tell if a Mojo61 would hang too far off the back to balance. If there could be a couple of swing support arm accessories that could be attached to the back of the Seven, that would be very cool. Look Ma: no stands!
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#2913908 - 03/09/18 06:53 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: drawback]
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It's a Zarenbourg!

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#2913909 - 03/09/18 06:54 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: SteinwayB]
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Originally Posted By: SteinwayB
Is it just me, or does the AP sound terrible? Hard to tell with demos, but to lug a 50+ lb monster to gigs the piano needs to sound amazing. The other sounds are great, but same with my CP4 at almost half the weight.


Now we know why Andrea was so positive on modelled AP sounds last year...

Re. the weight, Crumar I'm sure will point out that if you take the 52 lb. figure, then you need to add the weight of a case/gig bag and stand to your slab to make it comparable.

Crumar says it has 9 synthesis engines:

1. Tine Electric Piano
2. Reed Electric Piano
3. Electric Baby Grand
4. Clavi E.P.
5. DX Digital E.P.
6. MKS Digital E.P.
7. Vibraphone
8. Acoustic Grand Piano
9. Sample Playback

Re. the Sample Playback engine, is the control for that the Pads encoder? Can you load other sounds into it? The rest of the controls seem pretty straightforward.

Guido- Can you add a picture to the web site of what the wifi editor looks like?

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#2913910 - 03/09/18 06:55 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jahfume]
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What no chrome legs?
I'm Out! smirk


my 1982 Rhodes Mark II has factory silver colored baked enamel legs. Still look good after all these years. Chrome is expensive and chips then rusts. Once it chips it looks like crap.

Originally Posted By: drawback
Look Ma: no stands!


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#2913912 - 03/09/18 07:04 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: davedoerfler]
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I love seeing a keyboard like this come out. The flat top/controls in front is so obviously useful for stacking, but it took a smaller company like Crumar to finally do it.

TP100 is not the best action, but in my opinion the "playability to weight" ratio makes it an excellent choice for a keyboard that's going to be moving around a lot.

They could either do TP40 or the wooden built in case, they couldn't do both and have it be portable by today's standards.

I don't know if I'll be getting one, I'm all keyboarded up at the moment, but with a product like this there's something to be said for giving them a year to work the bugs out anyway.
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#2913914 - 03/09/18 07:14 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Adan]
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And my wait for an SMC-73 (with TP8O keybed) and the built-in Gemini continues .... taz coffee puff hitt rimshot bor HeadPop
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#2913916 - 03/09/18 07:24 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Any word as to TP 100 or 100, Dave?

I'll check.

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#2913918 - 03/09/18 07:38 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Thanks, man...
TP40 would be AWESOME.....
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#2913921 - 03/09/18 08:00 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jimkost2002]
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User manual now available:
http://www.crumar.it/?a=support&b=36

Huge amounts of detail in here... including the helpful advice not to try and insert your whole arm in the accessory tray.

Couple of things I spotted: the 'pad' is described as a VA synth, and you can connect a USB MIDI controller if you want, as there is no old-school 5-pin MIDI IN.


Edited by nickd (03/09/18 08:08 AM)

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#2913923 - 03/09/18 08:12 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd

Huge amounts of detail in here... including the helpful advice not to try and insert your whole arm in the accessory tray.


Well, that's a deal-breaker for me. cool

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#2913926 - 03/09/18 08:34 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
... and you can connect a USB MIDI controller if you want, as there is no old-school 5-pin MIDI IN.


Which is worthless when your already existing "better weighted action" controller has no USB because its built like a tank ultra reliable flat top keyboard from the past.

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#2913927 - 03/09/18 08:39 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: keyman27]
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Originally Posted By: keyman27
It's a Zarenbourg!


Excellent observation !
But at a better price I guess.

I was waiting for the Zarenbourgh module which didnt hit the market up to now.
What about a "Seven" module (w/ physical MIDI I/O AND USB) ?

Or is the "Seven" just only a "Gemini" in a keyboard shell ?

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#2913928 - 03/09/18 08:40 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Al Coda]
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When is this going to be available? The Seven checks all the boxes for me.

Was there an AP in the demo with Max? I heard one section where it sounded like AP in the treble but sounded like a CP70 in the bass/tenor so I figured it was the CP70 model.

If this thing has a boss AP, I'm all in.

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#2913929 - 03/09/18 08:48 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Al Coda]
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Love the concept and the vibe. The weight is rough for me.
Hoping patch saving is a breeze and recall too from that row of buttons?

The audio in the video is a bit hot as distorting on my phone even with headphones. But we know how the Gemini and Mojo EPs sound.
Not impressed once again with the Acoustic Plano sound presented and that's a deal breaker (for me).

And I'll bring up again. If you gig a Seven and a Mojo. Both of these incarnations of the Gemini hardware omit a programmable synth. Neither has pitch or mod wheels or AT. So can we assume a Crumar synth is coming? That would be great and bad (for me) as I never carry 3 boards. Ever.
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#2913930 - 03/09/18 08:52 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
So can we assume a Crumar synth is coming?


.... you mean.... a Crumar LEAD??
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#2913931 - 03/09/18 08:54 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Love the concept and the vibe. The weight is rough for me.
Hoping patch saving is a breeze and recall too from that row of buttons?

The audio in the video is a bit hot as distorting on my phone even with headphones. But we know how the Gemini and Mojo EPs sound.
Not impressed once again with the Acoustic Plano sound presented and that's a deal breaker (for me).

And I'll bring up again. If you gig a Seven and a Mojo. Both of these incarnations of the Gemini hardware omit a programmable synth. Neither has pitch or mod wheels or AT. So can we assume a Crumar synth is coming? That would be great and bad (for me) as I never carry 3 boards. Ever.


A quality sounding VA synth and a good organ tone in one cheap package would be ultimate. No other bells and whistles. VR-730 is close, but the organ sounds off. Nord Stage hits the nail on the head but it's 3 grand.

If I were to get the Seven I'd either be putting an Electro or FA on top of it - never both. I'd love to be able to afford a top tier that did both well.
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#2913932 - 03/09/18 08:57 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Al Coda]
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: keyman27
It's a Zarenbourg!


Excellent observation !
But at a better price I guess.




Along the same lines, this Seven is a God send for my wallet because it is (temporarily?) redirecting my GAS away from that Vintage Vibe 73 in the Garage Sale section... which is in no way in my budget. I understand the differences between the two boards (digital vs. analog, etc.), but this Seven has got some of the same authentic mojo (pun intended) as the VV has.

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#2913936 - 03/09/18 09:39 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: nickd]
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Originally Posted By: nickd
User manual now available:
http://www.crumar.it/?a=support&b=36

Huge amounts of detail in here...


After a quick read-through it looks as though there's a very good amount of adjusting one can do with the Acoustic Piano so I'd sure like to see if it can find its way into a future Mojo61 OS!
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#2913938 - 03/09/18 09:42 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Al Coda]
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda

TP-40L action is available as 76 and 88 keys versions.
For 73 keys youd have to cut it.
All the other TP-40 seem to be available with 88 keys only.

Custom product might be too expensive and Ive never seen any TP40 M, H, GH or WOOD other than w/ 88keys in a keyboard up to now,- so I guess its TP-100.

I believe Nord used a 76 key version of the TP40 (non-M) in all the 76 key versions of the Stage prior to the 2EX.

But I agree this is probably TP100 based on the weight in a wood case. (Assuming it must indeed be a Fatar.)

Pricier than I'd expected, but I still see the appeal. I'd be curious to see how the playing experience compares to the SV-1 (which is quite good for EPs in particular). Some will presumably want it for the look/ergonomics/vibe etc. But at that premium over the Korg, it should sound and feel better, we'll see...
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#2913941 - 03/09/18 09:47 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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My Nord Stage EX 76 has a TP40 action and it's not for sale!

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#2913942 - 03/09/18 09:50 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Morrisseysixman]
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I love pretty much everything about this except for the actual sounds themselves. I don't mean that as a slight. I wish more companies were thinking along these lines.

It's evident they put a lot of thought into the practical needs of a stage piano, in ways that are right up my alley. The built-in case. Colored encoders for immediate visual feedback on settings. Flat top. Simple, intuitive layout. Even the accessory tray is a thoughtful addition. Cable connectors on the side - avoids the cascade of wires in front of your knees. (I couldn't tell from the photos/demo if the ends of the jacks are flush with the outer case - allowing you to use right-angle connectors? I personally prefer that setup so that the cables aren't sticking out 4-5" from the edge of the case and just drop straight down.)

But I'm just not convinced that as of today the EP/clav modeling has surpassed the sampling. That's based on the demo and personal use of the Mojo 61, which I assume is the same modelling as the Seven. I haven't tried their acoustic piano modeling in person, but the demo - while perfectly serviceable - didn't really grab me either. That said, I'm sure the modelling is something that will continue to evolve.

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#2913943 - 03/09/18 09:50 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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I am buying this... for sure.

Everything I want for my gigging piano.

My only criticism is the glowing knobs and logo. I prefer less lights.

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#2913945 - 03/09/18 09:59 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: E Baxter Put]
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I hope Guido and Crumar do well from this board. I showed some friends who work in sales the Seven and they were amazed. Had never heard of Crumar, but they were now dead interested.
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#2913948 - 03/09/18 10:14 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: SteinwayB]
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Originally Posted By: SteinwayB
Is Hard to tell with demos, but to lug a 50+ lb monster to gigs the piano needs to sound amazing. The other sounds are great, but same with my CP4 at almost half the weight.


How much is your CP4 with a hard case? My Moxf8 is 32 lb without a case but it turns into a 52 lb monster with (plastic) Gator ATA case.
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#2913949 - 03/09/18 10:20 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: U.Honey]
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CP4 weights just about 39 pounds, without any case. I have a Gator case, which may well weigh 10 pounds or more.

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#2913951 - 03/09/18 10:26 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: SteinwayB]
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Originally Posted By: SteinwayB
Is it just me, or does the AP sound terrible?


Over the Neumann KH120s and through the Benchmark DAC3, not at all very flattering to these ears. It's fairly obvious they aren't going after the more serious pianists that would be attracted to the CP4, RD2000 and MP11SE.

But everything else I heard sounded very good though. smile thu
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#2913952 - 03/09/18 10:27 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Synthoid]
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So it's about 44 lbs if you don't pack the legs into the top part of the case. That's carryable for short distances but there is no shoulder strap, so it's 44 lbs in one hand, which is not a great way to limber your fingers up for a gig. I think the legs and the case are supercool, but from a portability standpoint, I'm not sure the hard case is really better. I guess if it's flight-worthy, then you're saving weight over an ATA case, but then your beautiful Crumar shell takes a beating. For the drive-to gig, I'd rather put a 30+ lb keyboard into a soft case with wheels and/or shoulder strap.
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