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#2909492 - 02/14/18 08:13 AM Studiologic Numa Compact 2x
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I think this deserves a proper topic, not only the NAMM thread, as I guess that there are many forumites interested on it. smile

So far, nothing more about it besides the video on Studiologic page:

https://www.facebook.com/StudiologicMusic/videos/1748548878499338/

And a few YT where nothing is shown properly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN3GUhK6Cdw&t=118s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GccLy9h5O1I&t=225s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCKD70R6jxI&t=9s

Anyone found anything else? Hope to hear more about it soon.
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#2909534 - 02/14/18 09:46 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Uhm...maybe the official product page?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2x/

Have we already got to the point were FB and YT are considered the only relevant sources?

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#2909541 - 02/14/18 10:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Spider76]
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Hi Spider76... on the NAMM thread where this keyboard was first mentioned, of course that the official product page was brought up. I'm not dumb at the point to not going to the official site or googling it and relying on facebook and youtube alone.

But as you can see, there's NOTHING there besides text, specs and pictures there... the links that I posted here refer to videos where we can see and hear the board (even badly, as there are those). What I'm after (and the people that are REALLY interested on this keyboard too, dont know if that's your case) are real and relevant news/videos/sounds about it, such as how close to the NUMA organ 2 it is on the organ section, and things like that.

Originally Posted By: Spider76
Uhm...maybe the official product page?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2x/

Have we already got to the point were FB and YT are considered the only relevant sources?
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#2909554 - 02/14/18 10:34 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky, but maybe if there are no news, no videos, no reviews, no manual or documents on the official product page...it's simply because there's nothing to say, as the board hasn't been released. It was just announced and showed at NAMM, but it's quite clear it's not on the market yet.

I'm sure in a few weeks we'll have all info we need (I'm also interested in it).
In the meantime, all we can do is wait.
Sorry again for my blunt reply, didn't mean no offence!

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#2909559 - 02/14/18 10:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Spider76]
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No worries, all good man. I know it's hard to express the tone properly on written words, for me it's even more as english is not my first language. As for the Compact 2x, just wanted to open a proper topic for when the real news come or for any "insider" type information, for eg, people that played it on NAMM. Let's hope it stands for our expectations!


Originally Posted By: Spider76
Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky, but maybe if there are no news, no videos, no reviews, no manual or documents on the official product page...it's simply because there's nothing to say, as the board hasn't been released. It was just announced and showed at NAMM, but it's quite clear it's not on the market yet.

I'm sure in a few weeks we'll have all info we need (I'm also interested in it).
In the meantime, all we can do is wait.
Sorry again for my blunt reply, didn't mean no offence!
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#2909715 - 02/14/18 07:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Nobody mentioned price , so I went to the Kraft music site.

This thing is going to price at $699.00.

That's interesting. I am trying to weed through some of the comments from people who played it at NAMM. Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

This could be interesting but where I live ( near Portland Oregon) we never see anything besides what GC carries. So I am not sure if I am going to be able to hear it anytime soon.

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#2909719 - 02/14/18 07:55 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: LX88]
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Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.
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#2909729 - 02/14/18 09:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.
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#2909730 - 02/14/18 09:17 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Wow, that tiny chassis. Gives me no hope that the key bed will be anything but craptastic.
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#2909737 - 02/14/18 11:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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B&H seems to have the most complete specs, of the retailers:

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#2909738 - 02/14/18 11:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: LX88
Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.


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#2909739 - 02/14/18 11:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Unless I hear of a major flaw before release date, I’m buying one. Can’t beat 15 pounds and change.

The ‘friendly’ retailer has an expected shipping date of May. I’m hoping for March.
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#2909741 - 02/14/18 11:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic

TP/9


I'm not familiar with this action. Looking at the Fatar site it's a non hammer action with what looks like some weights in front.

What other boards use this action and how does it feel?
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#2909742 - 02/14/18 11:35 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Hmm. I listened to about 10 seconds of the first YT demo above - total cheeze factory organ sounds. No thanks!
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#2909749 - 02/15/18 01:29 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Originally Posted By: Synthaholic

TP/9


I'm not familiar with this action. Looking at the Fatar site it's a non hammer action with what looks like some weights in front.

What other boards use this action and how does it feel?


It's a "premium" high-quality synth action. Kurz use it in the 61-note PC3 range (not the LE), and I think it's in the Korg Kronos as well as the Novation SL61II controller . I like it for a non-hammer action, but it's an unusual choice to base an 88-note stage piano on it. 76 maybe...

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#2909761 - 02/15/18 04:17 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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How much of the Numa Organ engine is inside the C2x is the main thing for me. To make it "fit", I hope that they sacrificed more of the adjustable/customizable things and less on sound, including rotary. The way I see, they are after a slice of the VR-09/730 market, with pros and cons and some unique things like the 88 keys vs 61 or 73.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: LX88
Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.
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#2909790 - 02/15/18 06:11 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Wow, that tiny chassis. Gives me no hope that the key bed will be anything but craptastic.

The NumaCompact 2 action is nice... as I mentioned, even above average for playing piano (as non-hammer actions go)... I certainly like it better than the low-cost models from Korg or Roland.

Originally Posted By: stoken6
It's a "premium" high-quality synth action. Kurz use it in the 61-note PC3 range (not the LE), and I think it's in the Korg Kronos as well as the Novation SL61II controller .
he TP9P is not identical to the TP9 in the Kurz/Novation, it is better suited than those are for piano playing. Kronos 61 does not use Fatar.
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#2909824 - 02/15/18 08:18 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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My first impression of the Compact 2's action was "spongy". I like having aftertouch so have learned to deal with it. Second thing I noticed was the velocity was quite touchy. It is adjustable with three settings, but ended up getting used to the default. After several months of use, I've come to really like playing the thing and really like controlling software apps with it. Got to make sure the aftertouch is turned off for piano and EP patches.
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#2909832 - 02/15/18 08:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Yeah, aftertouch is something I want it on by un/semi-weighted boards, but don't care to have on my hammer actions... but you have this hybrid situation where your un/semi-weighted board is the one you'll be playing piano from, so then do you want AT or not? If you don't need the 2's additional features (like the aftertouch, split functions, speakers), the original Numa Compact had the same action without aftertouch, and also had an advantage in that you could get to either a Rhodes or a Wurli with a single button press. That said, I have not found the AT to be an impediment on the Numa Compact 2.
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#2910530 - 02/18/18 05:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.
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#2910556 - 02/18/18 08:57 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I’m mainly interested in this as a light controller, so the sounds are just gravy for me. I’m hoping the organ and AP/EP are passable. The action is #1 for me.
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#2910594 - 02/19/18 04:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Can you tell a little bit more about the drawbar organ? What about the overdrive and rotary sim?

Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.
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#2910639 - 02/19/18 08:12 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Listen to the clips above. 10 seconds with the "organ" will tell you all you need to know about the sim. Sounds like a washing machine gargling.
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#2910680 - 02/19/18 10:38 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Yes, I listened. With vocals above it and ambient noise surrounding, it's VERY hard to discern what's going on there. Why Studiologic didn't put something better yet is beyond my comprehension. Hope it's soon.
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#2910711 - 02/19/18 12:37 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Can you tell a little bit more about the drawbar organ? What about the overdrive and rotary sim?

Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.


First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required). One of the real-time stick controls did alter the leslie sim speeds when the organ was selected. Finally, headphone quality varied considerably from booth to booth, although the ones provided by Studiologic were generally "on par". Thru headphones, the raw organ tone was very good to my ears, percussion was plunky & C/V was decent in the context of a loud exhibition hall.

I think I need to add some perspective to the YouTube video of the NumaCompact2x being played behind the singer with the yellow dress. I actually happened to be there right when that was recorded, and whoever actually posted it probably did StudioLogic an unintentional injustice, as that was an impromptu performance (they did things like that in many of the other booths, especially on Saturday). I think it best not to be too judgemental out of context. I recorded a version of this on my phone as well, albeit from a different angle. Someone went and grabbed ONE powered speaker from a different vendor to put on this 10 minute presentation, so the vocalist's mic, keyboard (and the leslie sim) was NOT being run in stereo for this demo. The Italian gentleman actually playing the NumaCompact2X was from StudioLogic, I believe and he walked me thru the interface a bit after the demo performance. It is not that intuitive, so I was grateful for the explanations that he provided. I was able to run thru all of the loaded sounds after his tutorial. The interesting thing is that it has 1 Gb of flash memory for those extra voices so they can apparently be easily upgraded down the road. Since the unit is not yet in production I do not have a clue as to when that aspect will be implemented. I am anxiously awaiting the manual next, just like you. I am particularly excited about the audio over USB functionality, as it means that using it in conjunction with an iPad app could enhance & overcome any limitations of the built-in soundset. The drawbars also transmit MIDI CC.
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#2910731 - 02/19/18 01:56 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)

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#2910752 - 02/19/18 03:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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One thing I hope it's possible: considering that each "side" or "layer" accepts two effects, if you make a layer of the same sound, let's say, a Rhodes, you can have for example, Drive, Chorus, Pan Trem and Delay ate the same, if you want to. Not bad for 699 bucks, and the sounds are not too shabby if they're the same as the "old" Compact 2 (guess they are).

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Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)

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#2910772 - 02/19/18 05:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)



FYI, only the FX selector buttons are on the front panel. Remember that the NumaCompact2X has three sound engines, and what was not working for me initially was selecting a particular voice & engine and then applying a particular parameter or effect to the voice in question, especially in split and/or layer mode. That process is controlled by their combination rotary/pushbutton encoder Mixer control, which, when combined with their 128x64 OLED display actually shows you what voice you have selected & are manipulating at the time. This display is tiny, and despite numerous visits to the booth I often found myself manipulating the wrong parameter and not being able to properly select or hear what I actually wanted to hear. Fortunately, I was able to get a brief tutorial of the proper operational order of how to select voices & apply parameters after their impromptu demo performance concluded.
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#2910796 - 02/19/18 06:38 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I'd say the work flow does take a bit to get used to, but after a couple of sessions it becomes quite intuitive, on the NC2 anyhow.

I feel the Drive is WAY too much distortion WAY too soon on the NC2. Just a dab does it for EP's Clavs and Organ for my tastes.
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#2910802 - 02/19/18 07:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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FYI, only the FX selector buttons are on the front panel.

Yes the buttons to select the effects are there, but from the same panel location, you can also dial in the amount of the effect to apply to the Upper sound, and also the amount of the effect to dial in to the Lower sound. In fact, on the Numa Compact 2, that's pretty much the entirety of what you can do with those effects, maybe there's more in menus on the 2X? But based on the design, the operation looks to be basically the same. At least on the 2, the way it works is that you can select two sounds (Upper, Lower); you can layer or split them (they're considered Upper and Lower regardless), and you can apply two effects to Upper and two effects to Lower, directly from that panel. (Plus reverb.)
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#2910869 - 02/20/18 05:58 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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From the 2 manual, it appears that you can modify amount or other effect parameters with the modulation stick, or something like that.
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#2911030 - 02/20/18 05:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Stick 2's settings include Off, Sound (usually vibrato), FX1, or FX2 for Upper and/or Lower. There's also an Automatic setting in Global. I'm not sure how it works, but seems to nearly always adjust what I want it to. It must take cue from the last effect activated or some kind of hierarchy logarithm. Whatever, I like it.
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#2911034 - 02/20/18 05:41 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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From the 2 manual, it appears that you can modify amount or other effect parameters with the modulation stick, or something like that.

Ah yes, you can modify effects with the stick. As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound). The stick can do different things depending on which effect you've selected from the front panel (i.e. if you select the Delay effect, the stick can control the rate of the echo).
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#2911091 - 02/21/18 06:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound).


On a per program basis?
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#2911097 - 02/21/18 06:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound).


On a per program basis?

If you're setting up the behavior manually, it is on a per-program basis.
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#2911122 - 02/21/18 08:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Finally New Organ Demo for the 2x:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvPDj1Msog

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#2911128 - 02/21/18 09:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bollani73]
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Does anyone have any insight as to why Studiologic went with the orange/black colors for the drawbars rather than using Hammond standard brown/white/black? I assume it has something to do with the Sledge engine.

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#2911130 - 02/21/18 09:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I think it has more to do with visual branding & marketing.
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#2911134 - 02/21/18 09:24 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bollani73]
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Liked the basic sound and editability. Leslie sim seems pretty decent too. But... NO OVERDRIVE?

Originally Posted By: Bollani73
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#2911174 - 02/21/18 12:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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"Drive" is the first effect on FX1. Again it is very touchy; a quarter-turn of the dial or less is plenty for organ; and I LIKE a crunchy tone.

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Ya, too bad the demo didn't show it


Edited by brenner13 (02/21/18 01:03 PM)
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#2911177 - 02/21/18 01:10 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Oh Yes, that's why I was bummed, it was not shown in the demo. Odd drawbar choices, too. But, again the basic tone, perc, CV and leslie sim are pertty decent to say the least.

Originally Posted By: brenner13
"Drive" is the first effect on FX1. Again it is very touchy; a quarter-turn of the dial or less is plenty for organ; and I LIKE a crunchy tone.

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#2911196 - 02/21/18 03:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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The drive in the Numa Organ and Numa Organ 2 are both much better than the drive in the Numa Compact 2. I hope they may have improved the drive from the NC2 to the NC2X.

Also MIA in the demo is any indication of leakage, which was quite good in the original Numa Organ (not so good in the 2), I wonder if it's been implemented at all.

I also wonder if they've implemented the ability to toggle rotary speed with a footswitch.
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#2911235 - 02/22/18 04:25 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Looking forward to know about all those things too. What about the leslie sim on that video, AnotherScott? How do you compare to the Numa Organ?

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
The drive in the Numa Organ and Numa Organ 2 are both much better than the drive in the Numa Compact 2. I hope they may have improved the drive from the NC2 to the NC2X.

Also MIA in the demo is any indication of leakage, which was quite good in the original Numa Organ (not so good in the 2), I wonder if it's been implemented at all.

I also wonder if they've implemented the ability to toggle rotary speed with a footswitch.
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#2916418 - 03/21/18 04:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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At this price point we are probably safe to assume that the C2X has a rather abbreviated organ engine.
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#2916465 - 03/21/18 08:16 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Looking fwd to demoing one of these as I would prefer to take something like this to a weekly jam than to haul the Fantom X6.

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#2916471 - 03/21/18 08:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: gd1]
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Looking fwd to demoing one of these as I would prefer to take something like this to a weekly jam than to haul the Fantom X6.


Absolutely. At this price point it looks like a no-brainer for a practice board.
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#2916477 - 03/21/18 08:54 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: gd1]
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I just preordered one from SW. This may be the answer to my lightweight controller search.


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#2916486 - 03/21/18 09:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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I just preordered one from SW. this may be the answer to my lightweight controller search.



I already have one on pre-order as well. As stated before, it is a virtual no-brainer as both a digital IOS app controller and rehearsal board, as well as being a viable top tier board for both gigging and jams. Also at this price I can afford to add an HX3 later should I later deem it necessary.
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#2916498 - 03/21/18 10:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Just saw two shipping dates from GC and Musicans Friend. May 31 and June 7
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#2916503 - 03/21/18 10:20 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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There's still little info on how they are implementing the sledge-like synth engine.

I'm also wondering how the two-way audio over USB will work, and if incoming audio can be routed to the TS Outs. If so, just stick an iphone loaded with Syntronik (or synth of choice) on top via a camera connection kit and you've expanded the synth capabilities and sound palette manifold.
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#2916515 - 03/21/18 11:11 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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If so, just stick an iphone loaded with Syntronik (or synth of choice) on top via a camera connection kit and you've expanded the synth capabilities and sound palette manifold.


In the Synth Anatomy video on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN3GUhK6Cdw), the iPad connected to the Compact 2x is running Syntronik. It's connected using the Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter, but can't tell much more than that.

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#2916517 - 03/21/18 11:20 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Thanks for that tfort. I would presume at NAMM they would focus on the internal sounds rather than its function as a controller for other synths. smile
Looks promising though!
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#2916519 - 03/21/18 11:34 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked “Are you sure?” And he said “Yes! That’s what it says right here!”
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#2916533 - 03/21/18 12:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Whoa! But... no aditional demos yet...

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#2916537 - 03/21/18 12:53 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Edited by bjosko (03/21/18 12:58 PM)
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#2916544 - 03/21/18 01:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: bjosko]
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That's the older one, not the 2x... the sampled sounds (pianos, e-pianos, etc) are the same... but we got almost nothing on the new organ and synth engines that are exclusive to the 2x...

Originally Posted By: bjosko
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#2916555 - 03/21/18 02:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Sorry, will get back to sleep mode bor
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#2916800 - 03/22/18 04:45 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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That's the older one, not the 2x... the sampled sounds (pianos, e-pianos, etc) are the same... but we got almost nothing on the new organ and synth engines that are exclusive to the 2x...

Originally Posted By: bjosko


Has it been confirmed that there is no upgrade of the pianos, e-pianos?
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#2916804 - 03/22/18 05:15 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Has it been confirmed that there is no upgrade of the pianos, e-pianos?

Only to the extent that the web site lists the new features (sliders, organ engine, synth engine), and doesn't say anything about upgrades to any of the existing sounds, which they'd probably mention, so presumably not. (Both models have 1 GB of sample memory.)
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#2917333 - 03/25/18 06:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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You can learn a lot from seeing close up pictures. One that I saw shows which synth parameters are controlled by the drawbars when it's in synth mode. I bought a Compact 2 only about six months ago. When I saw the 2X, I decided to donate my board to my church, and now I'm waiting for Sweetwater to get theirs in. If I knew how to post the picture I'd put it in here.


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#2917372 - 03/25/18 11:31 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2917387 - 03/26/18 03:46 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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You can learn a lot from seeing close up pictures. [...] If I knew how to post the picture I'd put it in here.


Like this one? (Sorry - I know how to link but not to resize)

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#2917401 - 03/26/18 05:51 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Regarding that picture, I only now note that that first orange drawbar/slider cap looks slightly tilted or rotated; not a great sign when the marketing materials show off potential quality control issues shocked
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#2917405 - 03/26/18 06:13 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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No percussion volume select, I see. Maybe you can go in and edit a preset. At any rate, this seems like a fun little board.

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#2917433 - 03/26/18 08:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Regarding that picture, I only now note that that first orange drawbar/slider cap looks slightly tilted or rotated; not a great sign when the marketing materials show off potential quality control issues shocked

It's called truth in advertising. ;-)
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#2917439 - 03/26/18 08:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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The interesting thing is that it has 1 Gb of flash memory for those extra voices so they can apparently be easily upgraded down the road. Since the unit is not yet in production I do not have a clue as to when that aspect will be implemented. I am anxiously awaiting the manual next, just like you. I am particularly excited about the audio over USB functionality, as it means that using it in conjunction with an iPad app could enhance & overcome any limitations of the built-in soundset. The drawbars also transmit MIDI CC.


Due to the dearth of publicly available information on the Compact 2x, I sent Studiologic an email a week or so ago with some questions. Gianni Giudici was kind enough to respond, and said that there are definitely plans to use the Sound Update feature down the road, including adding additional synth waveforms.

In regards to the audio over USB feature, he said that incoming audio over USB is routed to the 2x's complete audio system, and that it will play on the headphones, speakers, and main L/R outs. That should make it super easy to use with iPad apps.

About the only desires I'd have to improve this, in theory anyway, would be 73 keys and bluetooth...

I pointed out to Guido Gianni that the forum would welcome his/Studiologic's participation. He said that he hadn't for two reasons: that he didn't want to offend the forum members as a manufacturer, and he was worried about how much time it would take to scan the forum regularly to not miss questions. I told him that the forum would welcome his input, so long as he fully identified himself and was here to answer questions, not to market. He did say he'd consider it.

He also said more demo videos will be made, including on the synth section.

Tom

edit: Gianni. D'oh.


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#2917487 - 03/26/18 12:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I pointed out to Guido that the forum would welcome his/Studiologic's participation. He said that he hadn't for two reasons: that he didn't want to offend the forum members as a manufacturer, and he was worried about how much time it would take to scan the forum regularly to not miss questions. I told him that the forum would welcome his input, so long as he fully identified himself and was here to answer questions, not to market. He did say he'd consider it.


Tom, if you're in touch with Guido/Gianni, please tell him that manufacturer reps do post here (Casio, Kawai, Kurzweil), they don't market (the forum doesn't allow it), but it does help forumites learn about manufacturers' products and plans, as well as letting manufacturers hear users' desires first-hand.

I find that Studiologic have a very interesting product line-up (including SL-series controllers, Sledge, Numa Organ, Compact 2x etc.) and I would welcome the chance to discuss with a Studiologic representative.

In addition, Guido/Gianni might simply enjoy the general music/keyboard-related discussion that goes on here, as we all do.

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#2917492 - 03/26/18 12:46 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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I find that Studiologic have a very interesting product line-up (including SL-series controllers, Sledge, Numa Organ, Compact 2x etc.) and I would welcome the chance to discuss with a Studiologic representative.

Funny you say that. Not too long ago, in an effort to find somewhere that I could try a SL88 Grand controller, I was routed from 1. Gianni > 2. Bryan Pistone, General Manager, Studiologic USA > and finally 3. Mark Towles, Northeast Sales Manager, American Music & Sound, who I spoke to on the phone. Incredibly, although I live less than an hour from NYC, he was unable to suggest a single place where I could try one. I replied that it seemed my only option was to buy from someone online and return it if not satisfied. He seemed to agree. I found this depressing.

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#2917494 - 03/26/18 01:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Mike- thanks for pointing out my error. Amazing what you miss even after a quick proofread.

In both my original email and followup response, I pointed out to Gianni that a manufacturer rep who is clear about his affiliations and that doesn't market is very welcome at KC, pointing him to Guido and Andrea on the Seven thread (perhaps the reason for my typo earlier). I told him that KC is a great place to build credibility with an influential audience. I think he gets that, but is wary of the potential time suck, which seems like a valid perspective.

I'm sure many on the forum have emailed or spoken with Gianni over the years. He has answered a few of my questions (sent via web contact form or to info@studiologic-music.com) about the Numa Compact 2 and now the 2x and even tolerated my request/wish list for the perfect live organ controller. He did say he would consider joining, and offered this: "Please feel free to write me at any time and best regards,to all forum's friends !"

Personally, I feel like Studiologic/Fatar is upping their game with their newer products and customer responsiveness like this (5 days for personal email response, over a weekend and a bunch of time zones) is a very positive sign.

Going back to the original point, I think audio over USB is going to make using iPad apps to expand the sonic palette of a keyboard much easier. With today's announcement of the Minimoog Model D app, I was just picturing how simple it would be to supplement the basic Sledge-lite synth of the Compact 2x with Minimoog sounds. I'm still eager to hear some demos of the C2x's synth section, but I'm not as worried about it any more.

The OS of the C2/C2x can be updated via firmware and the sound library is also updatable/expandable. IF the board is well supported over time I think it will be a huge hit.

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#2917495 - 03/26/18 01:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Yeah, it is depressing. There used to be a whole bunch of music stores in NYC where you could find keys, now it's pretty much just Sam Ash and Guitar Center... and outside of NYC, like the Sam Ash in White Plains, the selection is maybe half what it used to be. Guitar Center in Danbury has only cheap stuff. Then again, so man of us have increasingly been buying online anyway, with the luxury of 30 days or whatever to really see what a board can do and how it can integrate into our rigs, and these places aren't going to stock what people aren't buying from them.
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Personally, I feel like Studiologic/Fatar is upping their game with their newer products and customer responsiveness like this (5 days for personal email response, over a weekend and a bunch of time zones) is a very positive sign.

Going back to the original point, I think audio over USB is going to make using iPad apps to expand the sonic palette of a keyboard much easier. With today's announcement of the Minimoog Model D app, I was just picturing how simple it would be to supplement the basic Sledge-lite synth of the Compact 2x with Minimoog sounds. I'm still eager to hear some demos of the C2x's synth section, but I'm not as worried about it any more.

The OS of the C2/C2x can be updated via firmware and the sound library is also updatable/expandable. IF the board is well supported over time I think it will be a huge hit.



Thanks for sharing this! I hope that Gianni is inspired by your gracious invitation to contribute to our forum. I had a similar feeling in the Studiologic booth as well; that they were seriously upping their game by using the latest Fatar action assemblies and thoughtfully implementing a number of the latest features in several very cost-effective packages. I was also told that the sound library would be updatable, although not necessarily able to use 3rd party samples, but only thru Studiologic-supplied updates. Nonetheless I really feel that this board combined with the right iPad apps will make an ideal personal "flex" board.
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#2917546 - 03/26/18 05:38 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Yes that's the picture I was referring to. It looks like it doesn't have V3 or C3 vibrato, unless the select button can select it and both lights for V1 and V2, or C1 and C2 light up. The abbreviations under the drawbars and next to the footages look like the following parameters can be edited (from left with the 16' to right): Filter cutoff, Filter resonance, Filter Attack, Filter Decay, Filter release, LFO speed, LFO depth, Amplitude attack and Amplitude release. So there isn't a sustain level on the envelopes. Maybe when the Compact 3 comes out, it will have complete organ capabilities and much more extensive synth editing.

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#2917552 - 03/26/18 06:37 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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As pointed out by other users above, if the audio over USB works seamlessly, even an iPod touch loaded with some of the newer apps would allow for any synth part you might need
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#2917565 - 03/26/18 08:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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As pointed out by other users above, if the audio over USB works seamlessly, even an iPod touch loaded with some of the newer apps would allow for any synth part you might need


Good point. I'm wanting to try the Ravenscroft 275 piano app through it.

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#2917695 - 03/27/18 02:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I had the Numa Compact 2 and was generally pleased with it, especially considering the price. The 2X has a lot more for just $200 more.

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#2917704 - 03/27/18 04:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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The audio over USB is seamless with the latest firmware on the Compact 2. Ravenscroft 275 has never played so well and sounded so good for me. Camera Kit required, though.
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#2917707 - 03/27/18 04:24 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Curious if any owners of the Compact 2 have adjusted their opinion of the shorter key length / key feel after the new car smell has worn off?

You guys still finding it as playable and attractive?
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#2917745 - 03/27/18 08:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: timwat]
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Curious if any owners of the Compact 2 have adjusted their opinion of the shorter key length / key feel after the new car smell has worn off?

You guys still finding it as playable and attractive?


It took a little getting used to. The keys seem to be shorter in back, and the distance between the front of the black keys to the front of the white keys seems to be normal. In a YouTube video done by Piano Man Chuck, he noted that the action was more difficult when playing farther back on the keys because they were harder to trigger than a good piano action. But I got used to it.

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#2917761 - 03/28/18 02:06 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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The keybed is a compromise to be sure. I can imagine "piano players" may not like the feel at all. My Kawai ES100 has arguably better ac piano sound and vastly better feel with hammer action and all, but it hasn't been touched in weeks. Guess I'm still in honeymoon bliss almost a year with the NC2.

Now I must say the Compact2's pianos have some artifacts and buzzes and weird harmonics on certain keys that I thought of at first as interesting and original; now those are juSt beginning to bend my ear a bit. And there is a high frequency tail on the spring reverb that drives me nuts with EP's. Actually, I could nitpick most of the onboard effects, but then this price point and 15 pounds and the great controller capabilities, I'm still quite happy.
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#2917764 - 03/28/18 02:36 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Strongly appreciate the Compact 2 review and feedback, Brenner! I see in your sig that you also have a VR-09 as well. How do it's pianos & general keyboard sounds compare to the Numa's? I was considering purchasing a VR-730 before I ultimately decided to pull the trigger on the Numa Compact 2X due to price & workflow considerations.
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#2917823 - 03/28/18 09:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Of course it's all subjective, but I like NC2's ac pianos WAY more even with the weird clicks and noises. Numa's samples have a much more natural, evolving decay. Roland apparently addressed this with a couple of better pianos in the new 730. I haven't heard them so cannot comment further.

Rhodes and Wurly's are again very subjective.I like the NC2 better right now, but it is still newer (more fresh) to my ears.

Organs are much more playable on the VR09 with the high key trigger and drawbars. NC2's organs sound okay but just can't adjust the tone. Anxious to hear what folks think of the 2X's drawbars and sound before I upgrade.

Roland's got my nod for Brass, Strings, Pads, Leads, and just about any other sounds. They just fit better to my ears and are easily tweaked.

However as mentioned in another thread, the NC2 and iPad are what usually go to rehearsal. Korg Module usually provides any sound needed in that setting and the NC2 is by far the best controller I have.

Again, I'm very anxious to hear peoples' experiences with the 2X's new UI before I swing.
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#2918263 - 03/30/18 08:52 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Studiologic Numa Compact 2X website

Not sure how long it has been there but just noticed a short little demo if some clean organ sounds. Click on SOUNDS at the top right corner on the webpage.
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#2918290 - 03/31/18 06:39 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
The keybed is a compromise to be sure. I can imagine "piano players" may not like the feel at all. My Kawai ES100 has arguably better ac piano sound and vastly better feel with hammer action and all, but it hasn't been touched in weeks. Guess I'm still in honeymoon bliss almost a year with the NC2.



I'm a "piano player" (coming up on 54 years next month) and I'm fine with the action for a semi-weighted board. It's similar to my old Kurzweil SP76 action, just a bit more shallow key travel. But it feels solid and better than my old Studiologic TMK-88.

And hey, at 15.5 lbs I REALLY love hauling it around to practice!
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#2918382 - 03/31/18 03:55 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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I wondered If those quotation marks would get get a response. Perhaps "piano purists" may have been a better derogatory term? blush I can play a little piano, but my hands are far lacking the technical skill and physical endurance to consider myself a qualified pianist. See, I only meant to imply that the touch is really nothing like hammer action. Anyway, some of my best friends are piano players, and most make it clear how unweighted keys are less than desirable for their tastes. I'd be curious of the comments from a couple of these acquaintances after a go with this keybed. Super cool it works for you. I sure am having a blast with it.
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#2918461 - 04/01/18 07:10 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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I wondered If those quotation marks would get get a response. Perhaps "piano purists" may have been a better derogatory term? blush

I'm not a purist by any stretch! :-) I do love the piano and that's where my primary training was, but have been playing organ since 1973 and synths since 1976 and I love them too. And the only fully weighted piano action I have is my acoustic piano. Everything else is some kind of semi-weighted which for me is good enough for live and even studio as I play a lot of synth sounds there.

I've adapted to semi-weighted actions for live as I don't wish to haul heavy gear around anymore. As long as there is some resistance or feeling of solidity, I'm good.

I was fine with my old Kurz SP76 and in my studio I'm still using a CME UF7 and I love the action on that. My Fantom X7 is a bit light for my tastes but acceptable. I love the action on my old Kawai K4 too.
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#2918527 - 04/01/18 11:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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The shorter key length does cause me a few problems now and then. Not in placement of my fingers, but depressing the key itself, if I have to put my finger farther back in a big chord. I also play a 7' Kawai grand at church and there's a BIG difference. But for an all around keyboard, the size, weight, price, and features are hard to match, let alone beat.

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#2918956 - 04/03/18 10:24 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked “Are you sure?” And he said “Yes! That’s what it says right here!”


So... we're past the "next friday" thing and even the first days of april (the original promised date from Studiologic) and still nothing from them, not even new demos... Wonder if it got back to the drawing board or something like that...
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#2919028 - 04/03/18 04:21 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked “Are you sure?” And he said “Yes! That’s what it says right here!”


So... we're past the "next friday" thing and even the first days of april (the original promised date from Studiologic) and still nothing from them, not even new demos... Wonder if it got back to the drawing board or something like that...


The "next Friday" date thing came from a somewhat overly optimistic rep from the "sweet' place, not from Studiologic itself. I contacted my rep also after I read that, and he told me that his system still showed the next Studiologic shipment as arriving by 4/6/2018, although it was unclear to him if the NumaCompact2x was a part of that particular shipment (my rep is very experienced). Their website still shows "pre-order" status which is their code for showing no actual units ever having been received in-house yet. Please remember that these new units most probably go thru an extended final manufacturing QC checkout process, and also have to clear Customs, which is beyond everyone's control. Since I have one of the earliest orders placed, I would much rather receive a fully functional and checked out unit shipped later, than a defective unit shipped too early! Patience, please! I will be happy to update everyone once my unit arrives!
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#2919120 - 04/04/18 06:49 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Studiologic informed me first week of april on Facebook, by a message on march... Anyway, looking forward to that update, The_Star_Guy! Meanwhile, they could throw us a little bone, in form of some more videos/audio demos...
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#2919218 - 04/04/18 03:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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I'm assuming we won't get any info from Studiologic until Musikmesse starts next Wednesday.

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#2919233 - 04/04/18 04:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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The week is not over yet! I checked in with my rep today and they are still showing an unconfirmed ETA of 04/06 to arrive there. And with MusikMeese coming up next week on the 11th, Studiologic most likely intended to have the product actually released & shipping by the start of the show.
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#2919835 - 04/07/18 06:19 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.


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#2920838 - 04/11/18 12:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2920839 - 04/11/18 12:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Originally Posted By: tfort
https://sonicstate.com/news/2018/04/11/messe-2018-studio-logic-numa-compact-2x-live-workstation/


Thanks for the link.
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#2920842 - 04/11/18 12:28 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Donsta]
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You're welcome. The video isn't very helpful, but it's something. First time I've heard the synth, not much added re. the organ. A little info given about how the sliders work as CC controllers in MIDI mode. Gianni said "about a couple of months" to ship, the bullet points state that factory and user sound will be updatable with a separate application coming out in the fall.

This also came out, meant as a companion to the SL controllers:
https://sonicstate.com/news/2018/04/11/m...idi-controller/
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#2920844 - 04/11/18 12:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board. Fine - it's a big NanoKontrol or similar.

The odd thing is the "thru" capability to allow a "dumb" board to become four-zone capable. But because there's no DIN MIDI (USB only) you're only really going to use it in a software rig - and the host can do the zoning itself. If they'd had a USB MIDI Host socket, and 5-pin MIDI, you could have used it to connect something like a Casio PX160 to another (hardware) board or sound source, with four-zone goodness included.

Thinking about it, there's potentially a slightly esoteric use case with boards that have both USB and DIN MIDI, whereby you could USB MIDI OUT to the MixFace, which would USB MIDI IN four zones right back at you (I'm guessing the USB MIDI is bidirectional). Use the DIN MIDI THRU (or soft thru, or similar) to drive your second hardware board. But that's all conjecture, I haven't Svengled the manuals.

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#2920849 - 04/11/18 01:02 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.



Looks like you called it! I called my rep today to check in, and he now says that the revised ETA showing in his system has it arriving by the end of May. frown
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#2920855 - 04/11/18 01:24 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?
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#2920857 - 04/11/18 01:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Nadroj]
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Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?


I played it a few times at NAMM and it felt like a true semi-weighted spring-based action. Frankly. all of the Fatar actions that Studiologic had at NAMM felt like they were the latest versions and played great. It actually felt a lot like the VR-730, and while it is a compromise action, it would be suitable for playing quite a few different voice & style types. So assuming that the production models don't change I think that it could be quite a versatile board.
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#2920859 - 04/11/18 01:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Nadroj]
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Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?

Slightly more piano-like, based on the shape/size of the key surfaces.
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#2921048 - 04/12/18 11:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board. Fine - it's a big NanoKontrol or similar.

The odd thing is the "thru" capability to allow a "dumb" board to become four-zone capable. But because there's no DIN MIDI (USB only) you're only really going to use it in a software rig - and the host can do the zoning itself. If they'd had a USB MIDI Host socket, and 5-pin MIDI, you could have used it to connect something like a Casio PX160 to another (hardware) board or sound source, with four-zone goodness included.

Thinking about it, there's potentially a slightly esoteric use case with boards that have both USB and DIN MIDI, whereby you could USB MIDI OUT to the MixFace, which would USB MIDI IN four zones right back at you (I'm guessing the USB MIDI is bidirectional). Use the DIN MIDI THRU (or soft thru, or similar) to drive your second hardware board. But that's all conjecture, I haven't Svengled the manuals.

Cheers, Mike.


Hmmmm...perhaps Compact2 owners might get some 2X functionality with the MixFace? Not available until Sept, though. 199 is way easier to explain to the finances than another 700. Regardless, it seems like a wonderful tactile interface for all of these iOS synths and such.
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#2921059 - 04/12/18 11:39 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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#2921065 - 04/12/18 12:02 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Hmmmm...perhaps Compact2 owners might get some 2X functionality with the MixFace?

Not really. Not the organ or synth engines, just the MIDI fader feature... and it looks too deep to actually sit on the NC2.

Originally Posted By: brenner13
Regardless, it seems like a wonderful tactile interface for all of these iOS synths and such.

Yes, though for that purpose, I think the Korg NanoKontrol may do more for less.

This would be more interesting with a standard MIDI jack, where it could possibly provide extra controls for any keyboard you might want them on. Assuming it is USB only, I'm not sure what it really brings to the table in a live performance environment.
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#2921101 - 04/12/18 03:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.



Looks like you called it! I called my rep today to check in, and he now says that the revised ETA showing in his system has it arriving by the end of May. frown


In the video on Sonicstate showing the NC2X, at Musikmesse, the demonstrator says it will be out in June. After that I got a call from Sweetwater also saying June. Sigh.

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#2921107 - 04/12/18 03:50 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.
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#2921109 - 04/12/18 04:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.

It was a $499 keyboard. For another $200 they added a clonewheel organ and a VA synth. I'm not surprised that it doesn't sound like the high quality tonewheels.

Overdrive is an interesting problem. It must be particularly difficult to do cheaply in the world of digital effects. It's the worst sounding aspect of a Hammond SK1. Among the lowest cost boards that pass for a clonewheel is the Casio XW-P1, and again, the worst thing about it is its overdrive. Kronos and Motif don't have spectacular overdrive. The least expensive pedal I'm aware of that people say does a really good job on organ is the Lounsberry, $200 for nothing but an overdrive. So again, maybe it's not surprising that the $200 premium of the 2X over the 2 doesn't get you a top notch overdrive too.
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#2921119 - 04/12/18 05:13 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.


I thought the demo from the floor at Music Messe was pretty good, considering. It's got me thinking about abandoning my master plan for live gigs... which was going to be the SL88 Studio or Mojo61 MIDI'd up to a new iPad that can run Korg Module + Ivory + Scarbee, interfaced with something like an iTrack Dock.

Now, I'm bending the other way... SNC2x as standalone. From what I've been able to discern, the organ doesn't sound worse than any Yamaha or Roland "tonewheel" and could be at the least something you could get by on. For organ-centric gigs, take along the Mojo61. Or... iPhone Korg Module which has some very usable CX3 - type Hammond sounds already.

Or - just thinking aloud here - Studiologic makes a Numa Super Compact with 73 keys next... that I'd velcro to the flat top of my Mojo61.




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#2921120 - 04/12/18 05:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: drawback]
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There's also the option of using a Ventilator. Though that would be less than ideal unless they at least let you pan sounds to one side or the other, which I don't think they do.
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#2921121 - 04/12/18 05:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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You're welcome. The video isn't very helpful, but it's something. First time I've heard the synth, not much added re. the organ. A little info given about how the sliders work as CC controllers in MIDI mode. Gianni said "about a couple of months" to ship, the bullet points state that factory and user sound will be updatable with a separate application coming out in the fall.





Wait what does that mean? Will new samples be uploadable to the 2X?

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#2921129 - 04/12/18 06:48 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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That's how I interpreted it; watch the video and give us your take.

Whether Studiologic will be sampling new instruments and having a downloadable library of sounds a la Nord remains to be seen.

It does have 1GB of sample memory, and the impression Gianni gave was that a good bit of it remains unused.

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#2921132 - 04/12/18 07:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Would the Numa Compact 2 also get this functionality for updating the samples ?

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#2921200 - 04/13/18 07:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Zadillo]
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I would guess yes, they use the same OS and share most components.

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#2921212 - 04/13/18 08:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board.

Indeed. That, perched on the SL88 Grand, would make me a happy man.

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#2921235 - 04/13/18 09:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board.

Indeed. That, perched on the SL88 Grand, would make me a happy man.



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#2921258 - 04/13/18 11:38 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I would guess yes, they use the same OS and share most components.


Yeah, that's sort of my assumption too (I was pleased when I was able to update my Numa Compact 2 with the USB Audio functionality, rather then them making that a feature you had to upgrade to the 2x for).

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#2921305 - 04/13/18 03:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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By the time Studiologic gets around to actually selling the 2X, it'll be time to announce the Compact 3 at summer NAMM.

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#2921399 - 04/14/18 07:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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By the time Studiologic gets around to actually selling the 2X, it'll be time to announce the Compact 3 at summer NAMM.

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#2921518 - 04/15/18 07:52 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ChiefDanG]
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I got the 2 for Christmas and am loving it! May consider the 2x (or 3!!) when it comes out.

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#2921530 - 04/15/18 09:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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How has studio logic been in recent years with firmware updates for bug fixes - the Numa and SL stuff, the Sledge, and the first Compact, etc?
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#2921538 - 04/15/18 09:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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How has studio logic been in recent years with firmware updates for bug fixes - the Numa and SL stuff, the Sledge, and the first Compact, etc?

Eh.
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#2921603 - 04/15/18 05:47 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Am a bit late to this thread, honestly was hoping for an instrument with this form factor and versatility from Crumar.... They have all the pieces and then some...
Lightweight 88 key perfect for open mike nite...one instrument, 4 minute setup...bliss! Anxious to try Compact 2x..hope the organ engine works out.
OTOH Maybe korg/yamaha has something on the drawing board. Would sell like hotcakes cakes.

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#2921663 - 04/16/18 08:06 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ap297]
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Am a bit late to this thread, honestly was hoping for an instrument with this form factor and versatility from Crumar.... They have all the pieces and then some...
Lightweight 88 key perfect for open mike nite...one instrument, 4 minute setup...bliss! Anxious to try Compact 2x..hope the organ engine works out.
OTOH Maybe korg/yamaha has something on the drawing board. Would sell like hotcakes cakes.


Sure Korg or Yamaha could do something like this, but it would cost a lot more.

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#2921673 - 04/16/18 08:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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What is the level of tweakability of this board? Or is it more of a "take it or leave it" type of format? Since we all have our own definitions of the best Hammond sound, programmability of both the basic organ sound and also Leslie parameters would be desired, and the same would also be said for the other sounds as well. One glaring omission I did spot, checking on what info was available on the SL webpage, was the lack of a wah effect, which we would want for clavs.

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#2921768 - 04/16/18 03:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BenWaB3]
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I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


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#2921774 - 04/16/18 03:44 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I don't expect a whole lot of on-board synth editing, but an ipad or computer based editor would be really cool
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#2921793 - 04/16/18 05:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.
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#2921794 - 04/16/18 06:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.


Do we want to believe that a company would be stupid enough to consciously leave a major malfunction in a marketing video?

I guess in this day a and age, yep. smile

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#2921796 - 04/16/18 06:10 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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"At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch."

That was to demonstrate that the keys aint clunkey! smile

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#2921802 - 04/16/18 06:45 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: wd8dky]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.


Do we want to believe that a company would be stupid enough to consciously leave a major malfunction in a marketing video?

I guess in this day a and age, yep. smile


The video wasn't an official Studiologic video, so they didn't have control over the content. It looked like the presenter was trying to act like it was nothing, but he was raising one of the sliders and still not getting any sound. I'm glad Sweetwater has a free 2 year warranty on their merchandise.

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#2921808 - 04/16/18 07:15 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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He had said shipping in few months so might be a few bugs left to work out.


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#2921815 - 04/16/18 07:57 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.



LOL! Now that was hysterical! I love how he kept hitting the key waiting for something to happen... and then runs his fingers up and down the keyboard...clackety-clack! Talking over it all the time. Good salesman! OY
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#2921856 - 04/17/18 06:00 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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There's another video, showing much more of the organ engine (skip to 6:10 to go directly to the playing part):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXvfGnSNcY

And a more synth/performance oriented one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0czE4ZEzKQ

Wonder if that keyclick and leslie parameters on the organ section are adjustable and if you can assign the leslie speed to the damper pedal...


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#2921886 - 04/17/18 08:13 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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There's another video, showing much more of the organ engine (skip to 6:10 to go directly to the playing part):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXvfGnSNcY

And a more synth/performance oriented one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0czE4ZEzKQ

Wonder if that keyclick and leslie parameters on the organ section are adjustable and if you can assign the leslie speed to the damper pedal...


I like the first video better. It showed that the organ can be split and used like a two manual Hammond. I wasn't impressed with some of the sounds on the second video. It looks like the two drawbars controlling LFO speed and depth only affect the LFO modulating the filter. Maybe it can do a good imitation of the Yamaha GX-1 on the beginning of ELP's Pirates.


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#2922203 - Yesterday at 03:00 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.



LOL! Now that was hysterical! I love how he kept hitting the key waiting for something to happen... and then runs his fingers up and down the keyboard...clackety-clack! Talking over it all the time. Good salesman! OY


Had to add my 2 cents.
Just watched that video and he was showing how the drawbars can control parameters of the synth. He then pushed a drawbar all the way up and lost his sound. I think he pushed "attack" full up and didn't hold the keys long enough for the sound to fade in.
Anyhow, still very interested in this keyboard. Hope they can get it in somebody's hands soon - so they can do an in-depth demo/review.
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