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#2909492 - 02/14/18 08:13 AM Studiologic Numa Compact 2x
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I think this deserves a proper topic, not only the NAMM thread, as I guess that there are many forumites interested on it. smile

So far, nothing more about it besides the video on Studiologic page:

https://www.facebook.com/StudiologicMusic/videos/1748548878499338/

And a few YT where nothing is shown properly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN3GUhK6Cdw&t=118s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GccLy9h5O1I&t=225s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCKD70R6jxI&t=9s

Anyone found anything else? Hope to hear more about it soon.
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#2909534 - 02/14/18 09:46 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Uhm...maybe the official product page?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2x/

Have we already got to the point were FB and YT are considered the only relevant sources?

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#2909541 - 02/14/18 10:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Spider76]
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Hi Spider76... on the NAMM thread where this keyboard was first mentioned, of course that the official product page was brought up. I'm not dumb at the point to not going to the official site or googling it and relying on facebook and youtube alone.

But as you can see, there's NOTHING there besides text, specs and pictures there... the links that I posted here refer to videos where we can see and hear the board (even badly, as there are those). What I'm after (and the people that are REALLY interested on this keyboard too, dont know if that's your case) are real and relevant news/videos/sounds about it, such as how close to the NUMA organ 2 it is on the organ section, and things like that.

Originally Posted By: Spider76
Uhm...maybe the official product page?
https://www.studiologic-music.com/products/numa_compact2x/

Have we already got to the point were FB and YT are considered the only relevant sources?
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#2909554 - 02/14/18 10:34 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky, but maybe if there are no news, no videos, no reviews, no manual or documents on the official product page...it's simply because there's nothing to say, as the board hasn't been released. It was just announced and showed at NAMM, but it's quite clear it's not on the market yet.

I'm sure in a few weeks we'll have all info we need (I'm also interested in it).
In the meantime, all we can do is wait.
Sorry again for my blunt reply, didn't mean no offence!

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#2909559 - 02/14/18 10:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Spider76]
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No worries, all good man. I know it's hard to express the tone properly on written words, for me it's even more as english is not my first language. As for the Compact 2x, just wanted to open a proper topic for when the real news come or for any "insider" type information, for eg, people that played it on NAMM. Let's hope it stands for our expectations!


Originally Posted By: Spider76
Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky, but maybe if there are no news, no videos, no reviews, no manual or documents on the official product page...it's simply because there's nothing to say, as the board hasn't been released. It was just announced and showed at NAMM, but it's quite clear it's not on the market yet.

I'm sure in a few weeks we'll have all info we need (I'm also interested in it).
In the meantime, all we can do is wait.
Sorry again for my blunt reply, didn't mean no offence!
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#2909715 - 02/14/18 07:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Nobody mentioned price , so I went to the Kraft music site.

This thing is going to price at $699.00.

That's interesting. I am trying to weed through some of the comments from people who played it at NAMM. Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

This could be interesting but where I live ( near Portland Oregon) we never see anything besides what GC carries. So I am not sure if I am going to be able to hear it anytime soon.

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#2909719 - 02/14/18 07:55 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.
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#2909729 - 02/14/18 09:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.
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#2909730 - 02/14/18 09:17 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Wow, that tiny chassis. Gives me no hope that the key bed will be anything but craptastic.
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#2909737 - 02/14/18 11:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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B&H seems to have the most complete specs, of the retailers:

NC2X
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#2909738 - 02/14/18 11:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: LX88
Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.


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#2909739 - 02/14/18 11:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Unless I hear of a major flaw before release date, Iím buying one. Canít beat 15 pounds and change.

The Ďfriendlyí retailer has an expected shipping date of May. Iím hoping for March.
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#2909741 - 02/14/18 11:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic

TP/9


I'm not familiar with this action. Looking at the Fatar site it's a non hammer action with what looks like some weights in front.

What other boards use this action and how does it feel?
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#2909742 - 02/14/18 11:35 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Hmm. I listened to about 10 seconds of the first YT demo above - total cheeze factory organ sounds. No thanks!
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#2909749 - 02/15/18 01:29 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Originally Posted By: Synthaholic

TP/9


I'm not familiar with this action. Looking at the Fatar site it's a non hammer action with what looks like some weights in front.

What other boards use this action and how does it feel?


It's a "premium" high-quality synth action. Kurz use it in the 61-note PC3 range (not the LE), and I think it's in the Korg Kronos as well as the Novation SL61II controller . I like it for a non-hammer action, but it's an unusual choice to base an 88-note stage piano on it. 76 maybe...

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#2909761 - 02/15/18 04:17 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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How much of the Numa Organ engine is inside the C2x is the main thing for me. To make it "fit", I hope that they sacrificed more of the adjustable/customizable things and less on sound, including rotary. The way I see, they are after a slice of the VR-09/730 market, with pros and cons and some unique things like the 88 keys vs 61 or 73.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: LX88
Is the organ anything like the Numa 2? Because in my perhaps not so humble opinion, the Numa 2 organ that I played sounded pretty decent.

The terminology can be a little confusing because there's no such thing as a "Numa 2" -- there's a "Numa Organ 2" and a "Numa Compact 2" (which also does have some organ sounds). Anyway, Studiologic says the Numa Compact 2X includes "a tone wheel organ model derived from Numa Organ" which I suppose could mean either the original Numa Organ or the Numa Organ 2 (which is the current Numa Organ). Regardless, we don't yet know what will be lost in the "derived from" translation. From what little I've heard, I suspect the rotary effect is probably the same as or similar to what's on the Numa Compact 2, and not as good as what's on the Numa Organ 2 (or original Numa Organ). It presumably won't have all the different organ models of the Numa Organ 2. Drive, key click, and overdrive (which all have dedicated controls on both versions of the Numa Organ) are other areas where they could differ.

Originally Posted By: LX88
This being a Fatar product, I would hope for a decent keybed.

I'm assuming it will be the same as the Numa Compact 2, which I think is quite good... pretty playable for piano (as semi-weighted actions go) as well as organ.
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#2909790 - 02/15/18 06:11 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Wow, that tiny chassis. Gives me no hope that the key bed will be anything but craptastic.

The NumaCompact 2 action is nice... as I mentioned, even above average for playing piano (as non-hammer actions go)... I certainly like it better than the low-cost models from Korg or Roland.

Originally Posted By: stoken6
It's a "premium" high-quality synth action. Kurz use it in the 61-note PC3 range (not the LE), and I think it's in the Korg Kronos as well as the Novation SL61II controller .
he TP9P is not identical to the TP9 in the Kurz/Novation, it is better suited than those are for piano playing. Kronos 61 does not use Fatar.
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#2909824 - 02/15/18 08:18 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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My first impression of the Compact 2's action was "spongy". I like having aftertouch so have learned to deal with it. Second thing I noticed was the velocity was quite touchy. It is adjustable with three settings, but ended up getting used to the default. After several months of use, I've come to really like playing the thing and really like controlling software apps with it. Got to make sure the aftertouch is turned off for piano and EP patches.
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#2909832 - 02/15/18 08:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Yeah, aftertouch is something I want it on by un/semi-weighted boards, but don't care to have on my hammer actions... but you have this hybrid situation where your un/semi-weighted board is the one you'll be playing piano from, so then do you want AT or not? If you don't need the 2's additional features (like the aftertouch, split functions, speakers), the original Numa Compact had the same action without aftertouch, and also had an advantage in that you could get to either a Rhodes or a Wurli with a single button press. That said, I have not found the AT to be an impediment on the Numa Compact 2.
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#2910530 - 02/18/18 05:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.
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#2910556 - 02/18/18 08:57 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Iím mainly interested in this as a light controller, so the sounds are just gravy for me. Iím hoping the organ and AP/EP are passable. The action is #1 for me.
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#2910594 - 02/19/18 04:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Can you tell a little bit more about the drawbar organ? What about the overdrive and rotary sim?

Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.
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#2910639 - 02/19/18 08:12 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Listen to the clips above. 10 seconds with the "organ" will tell you all you need to know about the sim. Sounds like a washing machine gargling.
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#2910680 - 02/19/18 10:38 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mate stubb]
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Yes, I listened. With vocals above it and ambient noise surrounding, it's VERY hard to discern what's going on there. Why Studiologic didn't put something better yet is beyond my comprehension. Hope it's soon.
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#2910711 - 02/19/18 12:37 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Can you tell a little bit more about the drawbar organ? What about the overdrive and rotary sim?

Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Originally Posted By: Adan
Something tells me this thread is going to give the VR09 thread a run for its money.

I'm mildly interested in this keyboard, as I am any lightweight multi-purpose board with a decent organ sound.


Based upon my experience playing this board at NAMM, it should definitely be considered a useful multi-purpose keyboard. I found the action a little light, but all of it's sounds were very playable, and the quality of the sound thru headphones was surprisingly good, especially the drawbar organ. I feel that it will both compliment & overlap my current boards quite well, particularly my Motif ES.


First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required). One of the real-time stick controls did alter the leslie sim speeds when the organ was selected. Finally, headphone quality varied considerably from booth to booth, although the ones provided by Studiologic were generally "on par". Thru headphones, the raw organ tone was very good to my ears, percussion was plunky & C/V was decent in the context of a loud exhibition hall.

I think I need to add some perspective to the YouTube video of the NumaCompact2x being played behind the singer with the yellow dress. I actually happened to be there right when that was recorded, and whoever actually posted it probably did StudioLogic an unintentional injustice, as that was an impromptu performance (they did things like that in many of the other booths, especially on Saturday). I think it best not to be too judgemental out of context. I recorded a version of this on my phone as well, albeit from a different angle. Someone went and grabbed ONE powered speaker from a different vendor to put on this 10 minute presentation, so the vocalist's mic, keyboard (and the leslie sim) was NOT being run in stereo for this demo. The Italian gentleman actually playing the NumaCompact2X was from StudioLogic, I believe and he walked me thru the interface a bit after the demo performance. It is not that intuitive, so I was grateful for the explanations that he provided. I was able to run thru all of the loaded sounds after his tutorial. The interesting thing is that it has 1 Gb of flash memory for those extra voices so they can apparently be easily upgraded down the road. Since the unit is not yet in production I do not have a clue as to when that aspect will be implemented. I am anxiously awaiting the manual next, just like you. I am particularly excited about the audio over USB functionality, as it means that using it in conjunction with an iPad app could enhance & overcome any limitations of the built-in soundset. The drawbars also transmit MIDI CC.
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#2910731 - 02/19/18 01:56 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)

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#2910752 - 02/19/18 03:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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One thing I hope it's possible: considering that each "side" or "layer" accepts two effects, if you make a layer of the same sound, let's say, a Rhodes, you can have for example, Drive, Chorus, Pan Trem and Delay ate the same, if you want to. Not bad for 699 bucks, and the sounds are not too shabby if they're the same as the "old" Compact 2 (guess they are).

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)

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#2910772 - 02/19/18 05:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
First, I never found the overdrive control or other FX while I was there, so I can't comment on those at all (very small screen with some menu-diving required).

FYI, the FX are on the front panel, and don't require menu-diving. (I know NAMM can be over-whelming!)



FYI, only the FX selector buttons are on the front panel. Remember that the NumaCompact2X has three sound engines, and what was not working for me initially was selecting a particular voice & engine and then applying a particular parameter or effect to the voice in question, especially in split and/or layer mode. That process is controlled by their combination rotary/pushbutton encoder Mixer control, which, when combined with their 128x64 OLED display actually shows you what voice you have selected & are manipulating at the time. This display is tiny, and despite numerous visits to the booth I often found myself manipulating the wrong parameter and not being able to properly select or hear what I actually wanted to hear. Fortunately, I was able to get a brief tutorial of the proper operational order of how to select voices & apply parameters after their impromptu demo performance concluded.
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#2910796 - 02/19/18 06:38 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I'd say the work flow does take a bit to get used to, but after a couple of sessions it becomes quite intuitive, on the NC2 anyhow.

I feel the Drive is WAY too much distortion WAY too soon on the NC2. Just a dab does it for EP's Clavs and Organ for my tastes.
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#2910802 - 02/19/18 07:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
FYI, only the FX selector buttons are on the front panel.

Yes the buttons to select the effects are there, but from the same panel location, you can also dial in the amount of the effect to apply to the Upper sound, and also the amount of the effect to dial in to the Lower sound. In fact, on the Numa Compact 2, that's pretty much the entirety of what you can do with those effects, maybe there's more in menus on the 2X? But based on the design, the operation looks to be basically the same. At least on the 2, the way it works is that you can select two sounds (Upper, Lower); you can layer or split them (they're considered Upper and Lower regardless), and you can apply two effects to Upper and two effects to Lower, directly from that panel. (Plus reverb.)
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#2910869 - 02/20/18 05:58 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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From the 2 manual, it appears that you can modify amount or other effect parameters with the modulation stick, or something like that.
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#2911030 - 02/20/18 05:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Stick 2's settings include Off, Sound (usually vibrato), FX1, or FX2 for Upper and/or Lower. There's also an Automatic setting in Global. I'm not sure how it works, but seems to nearly always adjust what I want it to. It must take cue from the last effect activated or some kind of hierarchy logarithm. Whatever, I like it.
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#2911034 - 02/20/18 05:41 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
From the 2 manual, it appears that you can modify amount or other effect parameters with the modulation stick, or something like that.

Ah yes, you can modify effects with the stick. As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound). The stick can do different things depending on which effect you've selected from the front panel (i.e. if you select the Delay effect, the stick can control the rate of the echo).
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#2911091 - 02/21/18 06:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound).


On a per program basis?
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#2911097 - 02/21/18 06:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
As Brenner indicated, you can set the modulation stick to either automatically do what Numa thinks best, or you can manually decide how you want the stick assigned (for example, to just the upper or just the lower sound).


On a per program basis?

If you're setting up the behavior manually, it is on a per-program basis.
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#2911122 - 02/21/18 08:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Finally New Organ Demo for the 2x:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvPDj1Msog

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#2911128 - 02/21/18 09:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bollani73]
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Does anyone have any insight as to why Studiologic went with the orange/black colors for the drawbars rather than using Hammond standard brown/white/black? I assume it has something to do with the Sledge engine.

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#2911130 - 02/21/18 09:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I think it has more to do with visual branding & marketing.
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#2911134 - 02/21/18 09:24 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bollani73]
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Liked the basic sound and editability. Leslie sim seems pretty decent too. But... NO OVERDRIVE?

Originally Posted By: Bollani73
Finally New Organ Demo for the 2x:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UvPDj1Msog
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#2911174 - 02/21/18 12:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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"Drive" is the first effect on FX1. Again it is very touchy; a quarter-turn of the dial or less is plenty for organ; and I LIKE a crunchy tone.

edit:
Ya, too bad the demo didn't show it


Edited by brenner13 (02/21/18 01:03 PM)
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#2911177 - 02/21/18 01:10 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Oh Yes, that's why I was bummed, it was not shown in the demo. Odd drawbar choices, too. But, again the basic tone, perc, CV and leslie sim are pertty decent to say the least.

Originally Posted By: brenner13
"Drive" is the first effect on FX1. Again it is very touchy; a quarter-turn of the dial or less is plenty for organ; and I LIKE a crunchy tone.

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#2911196 - 02/21/18 03:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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The drive in the Numa Organ and Numa Organ 2 are both much better than the drive in the Numa Compact 2. I hope they may have improved the drive from the NC2 to the NC2X.

Also MIA in the demo is any indication of leakage, which was quite good in the original Numa Organ (not so good in the 2), I wonder if it's been implemented at all.

I also wonder if they've implemented the ability to toggle rotary speed with a footswitch.
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#2911235 - 02/22/18 04:25 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Looking forward to know about all those things too. What about the leslie sim on that video, AnotherScott? How do you compare to the Numa Organ?

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
The drive in the Numa Organ and Numa Organ 2 are both much better than the drive in the Numa Compact 2. I hope they may have improved the drive from the NC2 to the NC2X.

Also MIA in the demo is any indication of leakage, which was quite good in the original Numa Organ (not so good in the 2), I wonder if it's been implemented at all.

I also wonder if they've implemented the ability to toggle rotary speed with a footswitch.
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#2916418 - 03/21/18 04:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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At this price point we are probably safe to assume that the C2X has a rather abbreviated organ engine.
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#2916465 - 03/21/18 08:16 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Looking fwd to demoing one of these as I would prefer to take something like this to a weekly jam than to haul the Fantom X6.

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#2916471 - 03/21/18 08:30 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: gd1]
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Looking fwd to demoing one of these as I would prefer to take something like this to a weekly jam than to haul the Fantom X6.


Absolutely. At this price point it looks like a no-brainer for a practice board.
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#2916477 - 03/21/18 08:54 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: gd1]
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I just preordered one from SW. This may be the answer to my lightweight controller search.


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#2916486 - 03/21/18 09:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
I just preordered one from SW. this may be the answer to my lightweight controller search.



I already have one on pre-order as well. As stated before, it is a virtual no-brainer as both a digital IOS app controller and rehearsal board, as well as being a viable top tier board for both gigging and jams. Also at this price I can afford to add an HX3 later should I later deem it necessary.
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#2916498 - 03/21/18 10:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Just saw two shipping dates from GC and Musicans Friend. May 31 and June 7
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#2916503 - 03/21/18 10:20 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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There's still little info on how they are implementing the sledge-like synth engine.

I'm also wondering how the two-way audio over USB will work, and if incoming audio can be routed to the TS Outs. If so, just stick an iphone loaded with Syntronik (or synth of choice) on top via a camera connection kit and you've expanded the synth capabilities and sound palette manifold.
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#2916515 - 03/21/18 11:11 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: Dr88s
If so, just stick an iphone loaded with Syntronik (or synth of choice) on top via a camera connection kit and you've expanded the synth capabilities and sound palette manifold.


In the Synth Anatomy video on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN3GUhK6Cdw), the iPad connected to the Compact 2x is running Syntronik. It's connected using the Apple Lightning to USB Camera Adapter, but can't tell much more than that.

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#2916517 - 03/21/18 11:20 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Thanks for that tfort. I would presume at NAMM they would focus on the internal sounds rather than its function as a controller for other synths. smile
Looks promising though!
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#2916519 - 03/21/18 11:34 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked ďAre you sure?Ē And he said ďYes! Thatís what it says right here!Ē
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#2916533 - 03/21/18 12:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Whoa! But... no aditional demos yet...

Originally Posted By: HammondDave
So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked ďAre you sure?Ē And he said ďYes! Thatís what it says right here!Ē
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#2916537 - 03/21/18 12:53 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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#2916544 - 03/21/18 01:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: bjosko]
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That's the older one, not the 2x... the sampled sounds (pianos, e-pianos, etc) are the same... but we got almost nothing on the new organ and synth engines that are exclusive to the 2x...

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#2916555 - 03/21/18 02:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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#2916800 - 03/22/18 04:45 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
That's the older one, not the 2x... the sampled sounds (pianos, e-pianos, etc) are the same... but we got almost nothing on the new organ and synth engines that are exclusive to the 2x...

Originally Posted By: bjosko


Has it been confirmed that there is no upgrade of the pianos, e-pianos?
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#2916804 - 03/22/18 05:15 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Has it been confirmed that there is no upgrade of the pianos, e-pianos?

Only to the extent that the web site lists the new features (sliders, organ engine, synth engine), and doesn't say anything about upgrades to any of the existing sounds, which they'd probably mention, so presumably not. (Both models have 1 GB of sample memory.)
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#2917333 - 03/25/18 06:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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You can learn a lot from seeing close up pictures. One that I saw shows which synth parameters are controlled by the drawbars when it's in synth mode. I bought a Compact 2 only about six months ago. When I saw the 2X, I decided to donate my board to my church, and now I'm waiting for Sweetwater to get theirs in. If I knew how to post the picture I'd put it in here.


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#2917372 - 03/25/18 11:31 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2917387 - 03/26/18 03:46 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
You can learn a lot from seeing close up pictures. [...] If I knew how to post the picture I'd put it in here.


Like this one? (Sorry - I know how to link but not to resize)

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#2917401 - 03/26/18 05:51 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Regarding that picture, I only now note that that first orange drawbar/slider cap looks slightly tilted or rotated; not a great sign when the marketing materials show off potential quality control issues shocked
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#2917405 - 03/26/18 06:13 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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No percussion volume select, I see. Maybe you can go in and edit a preset. At any rate, this seems like a fun little board.
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#2917433 - 03/26/18 08:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Regarding that picture, I only now note that that first orange drawbar/slider cap looks slightly tilted or rotated; not a great sign when the marketing materials show off potential quality control issues shocked

It's called truth in advertising. ;-)
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#2917439 - 03/26/18 08:50 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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The interesting thing is that it has 1 Gb of flash memory for those extra voices so they can apparently be easily upgraded down the road. Since the unit is not yet in production I do not have a clue as to when that aspect will be implemented. I am anxiously awaiting the manual next, just like you. I am particularly excited about the audio over USB functionality, as it means that using it in conjunction with an iPad app could enhance & overcome any limitations of the built-in soundset. The drawbars also transmit MIDI CC.


Due to the dearth of publicly available information on the Compact 2x, I sent Studiologic an email a week or so ago with some questions. Gianni Giudici was kind enough to respond, and said that there are definitely plans to use the Sound Update feature down the road, including adding additional synth waveforms.

In regards to the audio over USB feature, he said that incoming audio over USB is routed to the 2x's complete audio system, and that it will play on the headphones, speakers, and main L/R outs. That should make it super easy to use with iPad apps.

About the only desires I'd have to improve this, in theory anyway, would be 73 keys and bluetooth...

I pointed out to Guido Gianni that the forum would welcome his/Studiologic's participation. He said that he hadn't for two reasons: that he didn't want to offend the forum members as a manufacturer, and he was worried about how much time it would take to scan the forum regularly to not miss questions. I told him that the forum would welcome his input, so long as he fully identified himself and was here to answer questions, not to market. He did say he'd consider it.

He also said more demo videos will be made, including on the synth section.

Tom

edit: Gianni. D'oh.


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#2917487 - 03/26/18 12:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I pointed out to Guido that the forum would welcome his/Studiologic's participation. He said that he hadn't for two reasons: that he didn't want to offend the forum members as a manufacturer, and he was worried about how much time it would take to scan the forum regularly to not miss questions. I told him that the forum would welcome his input, so long as he fully identified himself and was here to answer questions, not to market. He did say he'd consider it.


Tom, if you're in touch with Guido/Gianni, please tell him that manufacturer reps do post here (Casio, Kawai, Kurzweil), they don't market (the forum doesn't allow it), but it does help forumites learn about manufacturers' products and plans, as well as letting manufacturers hear users' desires first-hand.

I find that Studiologic have a very interesting product line-up (including SL-series controllers, Sledge, Numa Organ, Compact 2x etc.) and I would welcome the chance to discuss with a Studiologic representative.

In addition, Guido/Gianni might simply enjoy the general music/keyboard-related discussion that goes on here, as we all do.

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#2917492 - 03/26/18 12:46 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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I find that Studiologic have a very interesting product line-up (including SL-series controllers, Sledge, Numa Organ, Compact 2x etc.) and I would welcome the chance to discuss with a Studiologic representative.

Funny you say that. Not too long ago, in an effort to find somewhere that I could try a SL88 Grand controller, I was routed from 1. Gianni > 2. Bryan Pistone, General Manager, Studiologic USA > and finally 3. Mark Towles, Northeast Sales Manager, American Music & Sound, who I spoke to on the phone. Incredibly, although I live less than an hour from NYC, he was unable to suggest a single place where I could try one. I replied that it seemed my only option was to buy from someone online and return it if not satisfied. He seemed to agree. I found this depressing.
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#2917494 - 03/26/18 01:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Mike- thanks for pointing out my error. Amazing what you miss even after a quick proofread.

In both my original email and followup response, I pointed out to Gianni that a manufacturer rep who is clear about his affiliations and that doesn't market is very welcome at KC, pointing him to Guido and Andrea on the Seven thread (perhaps the reason for my typo earlier). I told him that KC is a great place to build credibility with an influential audience. I think he gets that, but is wary of the potential time suck, which seems like a valid perspective.

I'm sure many on the forum have emailed or spoken with Gianni over the years. He has answered a few of my questions (sent via web contact form or to info@studiologic-music.com) about the Numa Compact 2 and now the 2x and even tolerated my request/wish list for the perfect live organ controller. He did say he would consider joining, and offered this: "Please feel free to write me at any time and best regards,to all forum's friends !"

Personally, I feel like Studiologic/Fatar is upping their game with their newer products and customer responsiveness like this (5 days for personal email response, over a weekend and a bunch of time zones) is a very positive sign.

Going back to the original point, I think audio over USB is going to make using iPad apps to expand the sonic palette of a keyboard much easier. With today's announcement of the Minimoog Model D app, I was just picturing how simple it would be to supplement the basic Sledge-lite synth of the Compact 2x with Minimoog sounds. I'm still eager to hear some demos of the C2x's synth section, but I'm not as worried about it any more.

The OS of the C2/C2x can be updated via firmware and the sound library is also updatable/expandable. IF the board is well supported over time I think it will be a huge hit.

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#2917495 - 03/26/18 01:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Yeah, it is depressing. There used to be a whole bunch of music stores in NYC where you could find keys, now it's pretty much just Sam Ash and Guitar Center... and outside of NYC, like the Sam Ash in White Plains, the selection is maybe half what it used to be. Guitar Center in Danbury has only cheap stuff. Then again, so man of us have increasingly been buying online anyway, with the luxury of 30 days or whatever to really see what a board can do and how it can integrate into our rigs, and these places aren't going to stock what people aren't buying from them.
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#2917543 - 03/26/18 05:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Originally Posted By: tfort


Personally, I feel like Studiologic/Fatar is upping their game with their newer products and customer responsiveness like this (5 days for personal email response, over a weekend and a bunch of time zones) is a very positive sign.

Going back to the original point, I think audio over USB is going to make using iPad apps to expand the sonic palette of a keyboard much easier. With today's announcement of the Minimoog Model D app, I was just picturing how simple it would be to supplement the basic Sledge-lite synth of the Compact 2x with Minimoog sounds. I'm still eager to hear some demos of the C2x's synth section, but I'm not as worried about it any more.

The OS of the C2/C2x can be updated via firmware and the sound library is also updatable/expandable. IF the board is well supported over time I think it will be a huge hit.



Thanks for sharing this! I hope that Gianni is inspired by your gracious invitation to contribute to our forum. I had a similar feeling in the Studiologic booth as well; that they were seriously upping their game by using the latest Fatar action assemblies and thoughtfully implementing a number of the latest features in several very cost-effective packages. I was also told that the sound library would be updatable, although not necessarily able to use 3rd party samples, but only thru Studiologic-supplied updates. Nonetheless I really feel that this board combined with the right iPad apps will make an ideal personal "flex" board.
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#2917546 - 03/26/18 05:38 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Yes that's the picture I was referring to. It looks like it doesn't have V3 or C3 vibrato, unless the select button can select it and both lights for V1 and V2, or C1 and C2 light up. The abbreviations under the drawbars and next to the footages look like the following parameters can be edited (from left with the 16' to right): Filter cutoff, Filter resonance, Filter Attack, Filter Decay, Filter release, LFO speed, LFO depth, Amplitude attack and Amplitude release. So there isn't a sustain level on the envelopes. Maybe when the Compact 3 comes out, it will have complete organ capabilities and much more extensive synth editing.

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#2917552 - 03/26/18 06:37 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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As pointed out by other users above, if the audio over USB works seamlessly, even an iPod touch loaded with some of the newer apps would allow for any synth part you might need
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#2917565 - 03/26/18 08:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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As pointed out by other users above, if the audio over USB works seamlessly, even an iPod touch loaded with some of the newer apps would allow for any synth part you might need


Good point. I'm wanting to try the Ravenscroft 275 piano app through it.

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#2917695 - 03/27/18 02:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I had the Numa Compact 2 and was generally pleased with it, especially considering the price. The 2X has a lot more for just $200 more.

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#2917704 - 03/27/18 04:07 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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The audio over USB is seamless with the latest firmware on the Compact 2. Ravenscroft 275 has never played so well and sounded so good for me. Camera Kit required, though.
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#2917707 - 03/27/18 04:24 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Curious if any owners of the Compact 2 have adjusted their opinion of the shorter key length / key feel after the new car smell has worn off?

You guys still finding it as playable and attractive?
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#2917745 - 03/27/18 08:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: timwat]
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Originally Posted By: timwat
Curious if any owners of the Compact 2 have adjusted their opinion of the shorter key length / key feel after the new car smell has worn off?

You guys still finding it as playable and attractive?


It took a little getting used to. The keys seem to be shorter in back, and the distance between the front of the black keys to the front of the white keys seems to be normal. In a YouTube video done by Piano Man Chuck, he noted that the action was more difficult when playing farther back on the keys because they were harder to trigger than a good piano action. But I got used to it.

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#2917761 - 03/28/18 02:06 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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The keybed is a compromise to be sure. I can imagine "piano players" may not like the feel at all. My Kawai ES100 has arguably better ac piano sound and vastly better feel with hammer action and all, but it hasn't been touched in weeks. Guess I'm still in honeymoon bliss almost a year with the NC2.

Now I must say the Compact2's pianos have some artifacts and buzzes and weird harmonics on certain keys that I thought of at first as interesting and original; now those are juSt beginning to bend my ear a bit. And there is a high frequency tail on the spring reverb that drives me nuts with EP's. Actually, I could nitpick most of the onboard effects, but then this price point and 15 pounds and the great controller capabilities, I'm still quite happy.
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#2917764 - 03/28/18 02:36 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Strongly appreciate the Compact 2 review and feedback, Brenner! I see in your sig that you also have a VR-09 as well. How do it's pianos & general keyboard sounds compare to the Numa's? I was considering purchasing a VR-730 before I ultimately decided to pull the trigger on the Numa Compact 2X due to price & workflow considerations.
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#2917823 - 03/28/18 09:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Of course it's all subjective, but I like NC2's ac pianos WAY more even with the weird clicks and noises. Numa's samples have a much more natural, evolving decay. Roland apparently addressed this with a couple of better pianos in the new 730. I haven't heard them so cannot comment further.

Rhodes and Wurly's are again very subjective.I like the NC2 better right now, but it is still newer (more fresh) to my ears.

Organs are much more playable on the VR09 with the high key trigger and drawbars. NC2's organs sound okay but just can't adjust the tone. Anxious to hear what folks think of the 2X's drawbars and sound before I upgrade.

Roland's got my nod for Brass, Strings, Pads, Leads, and just about any other sounds. They just fit better to my ears and are easily tweaked.

However as mentioned in another thread, the NC2 and iPad are what usually go to rehearsal. Korg Module usually provides any sound needed in that setting and the NC2 is by far the best controller I have.

Again, I'm very anxious to hear peoples' experiences with the 2X's new UI before I swing.
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#2918263 - 03/30/18 08:52 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Studiologic Numa Compact 2X website

Not sure how long it has been there but just noticed a short little demo if some clean organ sounds. Click on SOUNDS at the top right corner on the webpage.
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#2918290 - 03/31/18 06:39 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
The keybed is a compromise to be sure. I can imagine "piano players" may not like the feel at all. My Kawai ES100 has arguably better ac piano sound and vastly better feel with hammer action and all, but it hasn't been touched in weeks. Guess I'm still in honeymoon bliss almost a year with the NC2.



I'm a "piano player" (coming up on 54 years next month) and I'm fine with the action for a semi-weighted board. It's similar to my old Kurzweil SP76 action, just a bit more shallow key travel. But it feels solid and better than my old Studiologic TMK-88.

And hey, at 15.5 lbs I REALLY love hauling it around to practice!
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#2918382 - 03/31/18 03:55 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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I wondered If those quotation marks would get get a response. Perhaps "piano purists" may have been a better derogatory term? blush I can play a little piano, but my hands are far lacking the technical skill and physical endurance to consider myself a qualified pianist. See, I only meant to imply that the touch is really nothing like hammer action. Anyway, some of my best friends are piano players, and most make it clear how unweighted keys are less than desirable for their tastes. I'd be curious of the comments from a couple of these acquaintances after a go with this keybed. Super cool it works for you. I sure am having a blast with it.
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#2918461 - 04/01/18 07:10 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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I wondered If those quotation marks would get get a response. Perhaps "piano purists" may have been a better derogatory term? blush

I'm not a purist by any stretch! :-) I do love the piano and that's where my primary training was, but have been playing organ since 1973 and synths since 1976 and I love them too. And the only fully weighted piano action I have is my acoustic piano. Everything else is some kind of semi-weighted which for me is good enough for live and even studio as I play a lot of synth sounds there.

I've adapted to semi-weighted actions for live as I don't wish to haul heavy gear around anymore. As long as there is some resistance or feeling of solidity, I'm good.

I was fine with my old Kurz SP76 and in my studio I'm still using a CME UF7 and I love the action on that. My Fantom X7 is a bit light for my tastes but acceptable. I love the action on my old Kawai K4 too.
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#2918527 - 04/01/18 11:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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The shorter key length does cause me a few problems now and then. Not in placement of my fingers, but depressing the key itself, if I have to put my finger farther back in a big chord. I also play a 7' Kawai grand at church and there's a BIG difference. But for an all around keyboard, the size, weight, price, and features are hard to match, let alone beat.

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#2918956 - 04/03/18 10:24 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked ďAre you sure?Ē And he said ďYes! Thatís what it says right here!Ē


So... we're past the "next friday" thing and even the first days of april (the original promised date from Studiologic) and still nothing from them, not even new demos... Wonder if it got back to the drawing board or something like that...
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#2919028 - 04/03/18 04:21 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
So my Sweetwater sales person just called me and said that their first shipment will be in next Friday... I asked ďAre you sure?Ē And he said ďYes! Thatís what it says right here!Ē


So... we're past the "next friday" thing and even the first days of april (the original promised date from Studiologic) and still nothing from them, not even new demos... Wonder if it got back to the drawing board or something like that...


The "next Friday" date thing came from a somewhat overly optimistic rep from the "sweet' place, not from Studiologic itself. I contacted my rep also after I read that, and he told me that his system still showed the next Studiologic shipment as arriving by 4/6/2018, although it was unclear to him if the NumaCompact2x was a part of that particular shipment (my rep is very experienced). Their website still shows "pre-order" status which is their code for showing no actual units ever having been received in-house yet. Please remember that these new units most probably go thru an extended final manufacturing QC checkout process, and also have to clear Customs, which is beyond everyone's control. Since I have one of the earliest orders placed, I would much rather receive a fully functional and checked out unit shipped later, than a defective unit shipped too early! Patience, please! I will be happy to update everyone once my unit arrives!
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#2919120 - 04/04/18 06:49 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Studiologic informed me first week of april on Facebook, by a message on march... Anyway, looking forward to that update, The_Star_Guy! Meanwhile, they could throw us a little bone, in form of some more videos/audio demos...
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#2919218 - 04/04/18 03:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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I'm assuming we won't get any info from Studiologic until Musikmesse starts next Wednesday.

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#2919233 - 04/04/18 04:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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The week is not over yet! I checked in with my rep today and they are still showing an unconfirmed ETA of 04/06 to arrive there. And with MusikMeese coming up next week on the 11th, Studiologic most likely intended to have the product actually released & shipping by the start of the show.
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#2919835 - 04/07/18 06:19 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.


Edited by Radagast (04/07/18 06:23 AM)

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#2920838 - 04/11/18 12:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2920839 - 04/11/18 12:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Originally Posted By: tfort
https://sonicstate.com/news/2018/04/11/messe-2018-studio-logic-numa-compact-2x-live-workstation/


Thanks for the link.
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#2920842 - 04/11/18 12:28 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Donsta]
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You're welcome. The video isn't very helpful, but it's something. First time I've heard the synth, not much added re. the organ. A little info given about how the sliders work as CC controllers in MIDI mode. Gianni said "about a couple of months" to ship, the bullet points state that factory and user sound will be updatable with a separate application coming out in the fall.

This also came out, meant as a companion to the SL controllers:
https://sonicstate.com/news/2018/04/11/m...idi-controller/
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#2920844 - 04/11/18 12:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board. Fine - it's a big NanoKontrol or similar.

The odd thing is the "thru" capability to allow a "dumb" board to become four-zone capable. But because there's no DIN MIDI (USB only) you're only really going to use it in a software rig - and the host can do the zoning itself. If they'd had a USB MIDI Host socket, and 5-pin MIDI, you could have used it to connect something like a Casio PX160 to another (hardware) board or sound source, with four-zone goodness included.

Thinking about it, there's potentially a slightly esoteric use case with boards that have both USB and DIN MIDI, whereby you could USB MIDI OUT to the MixFace, which would USB MIDI IN four zones right back at you (I'm guessing the USB MIDI is bidirectional). Use the DIN MIDI THRU (or soft thru, or similar) to drive your second hardware board. But that's all conjecture, I haven't Svengled the manuals.

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#2920849 - 04/11/18 01:02 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.



Looks like you called it! I called my rep today to check in, and he now says that the revised ETA showing in his system has it arriving by the end of May. frown
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#2920855 - 04/11/18 01:24 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?
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#2920857 - 04/11/18 01:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Nadroj]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?


I played it a few times at NAMM and it felt like a true semi-weighted spring-based action. Frankly. all of the Fatar actions that Studiologic had at NAMM felt like they were the latest versions and played great. It actually felt a lot like the VR-730, and while it is a compromise action, it would be suitable for playing quite a few different voice & style types. So assuming that the production models don't change I think that it could be quite a versatile board.
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#2920859 - 04/11/18 01:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Nadroj]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
Super interested in this wee thing. Anyone know how the action compares to the TP-80 semi-weighted? More or less piano-like?

Slightly more piano-like, based on the shape/size of the key surfaces.
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#2921048 - 04/12/18 11:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board. Fine - it's a big NanoKontrol or similar.

The odd thing is the "thru" capability to allow a "dumb" board to become four-zone capable. But because there's no DIN MIDI (USB only) you're only really going to use it in a software rig - and the host can do the zoning itself. If they'd had a USB MIDI Host socket, and 5-pin MIDI, you could have used it to connect something like a Casio PX160 to another (hardware) board or sound source, with four-zone goodness included.

Thinking about it, there's potentially a slightly esoteric use case with boards that have both USB and DIN MIDI, whereby you could USB MIDI OUT to the MixFace, which would USB MIDI IN four zones right back at you (I'm guessing the USB MIDI is bidirectional). Use the DIN MIDI THRU (or soft thru, or similar) to drive your second hardware board. But that's all conjecture, I haven't Svengled the manuals.

Cheers, Mike.


Hmmmm...perhaps Compact2 owners might get some 2X functionality with the MixFace? Not available until Sept, though. 199 is way easier to explain to the finances than another 700. Regardless, it seems like a wonderful tactile interface for all of these iOS synths and such.
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#2921059 - 04/12/18 11:39 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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#2921065 - 04/12/18 12:02 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Hmmmm...perhaps Compact2 owners might get some 2X functionality with the MixFace?

Not really. Not the organ or synth engines, just the MIDI fader feature... and it looks too deep to actually sit on the NC2.

Originally Posted By: brenner13
Regardless, it seems like a wonderful tactile interface for all of these iOS synths and such.

Yes, though for that purpose, I think the Korg NanoKontrol may do more for less.

This would be more interesting with a standard MIDI jack, where it could possibly provide extra controls for any keyboard you might want them on. Assuming it is USB only, I'm not sure what it really brings to the table in a live performance environment.
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#2921101 - 04/12/18 03:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Well how about now? Studiologic doesn't have a history of hitting target dates. I'm saying the last part of April is the best we can hope for, but it will probably be May.



Looks like you called it! I called my rep today to check in, and he now says that the revised ETA showing in his system has it arriving by the end of May. frown


In the video on Sonicstate showing the NC2X, at Musikmesse, the demonstrator says it will be out in June. After that I got a call from Sweetwater also saying June. Sigh.

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#2921107 - 04/12/18 03:50 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.
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#2921109 - 04/12/18 04:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.

It was a $499 keyboard. For another $200 they added a clonewheel organ and a VA synth. I'm not surprised that it doesn't sound like the high quality tonewheels.

Overdrive is an interesting problem. It must be particularly difficult to do cheaply in the world of digital effects. It's the worst sounding aspect of a Hammond SK1. Among the lowest cost boards that pass for a clonewheel is the Casio XW-P1, and again, the worst thing about it is its overdrive. Kronos and Motif don't have spectacular overdrive. The least expensive pedal I'm aware of that people say does a really good job on organ is the Lounsberry, $200 for nothing but an overdrive. So again, maybe it's not surprising that the $200 premium of the 2X over the 2 doesn't get you a top notch overdrive too.
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#2921119 - 04/12/18 05:13 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Ugh.... in this day and age, why do the voices sound like shit? The organ, especially percussion and overdrive are particularly distasteful.


I thought the demo from the floor at Music Messe was pretty good, considering. It's got me thinking about abandoning my master plan for live gigs... which was going to be the SL88 Studio or Mojo61 MIDI'd up to a new iPad that can run Korg Module + Ivory + Scarbee, interfaced with something like an iTrack Dock.

Now, I'm bending the other way... SNC2x as standalone. From what I've been able to discern, the organ doesn't sound worse than any Yamaha or Roland "tonewheel" and could be at the least something you could get by on. For organ-centric gigs, take along the Mojo61. Or... iPhone Korg Module which has some very usable CX3 - type Hammond sounds already.

Or - just thinking aloud here - Studiologic makes a Numa Super Compact with 73 keys next... that I'd velcro to the flat top of my Mojo61.




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#2921120 - 04/12/18 05:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: drawback]
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There's also the option of using a Ventilator. Though that would be less than ideal unless they at least let you pan sounds to one side or the other, which I don't think they do.
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#2921121 - 04/12/18 05:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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You're welcome. The video isn't very helpful, but it's something. First time I've heard the synth, not much added re. the organ. A little info given about how the sliders work as CC controllers in MIDI mode. Gianni said "about a couple of months" to ship, the bullet points state that factory and user sound will be updatable with a separate application coming out in the fall.





Wait what does that mean? Will new samples be uploadable to the 2X?

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#2921129 - 04/12/18 06:48 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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That's how I interpreted it; watch the video and give us your take.

Whether Studiologic will be sampling new instruments and having a downloadable library of sounds a la Nord remains to be seen.

It does have 1GB of sample memory, and the impression Gianni gave was that a good bit of it remains unused.

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#2921132 - 04/12/18 07:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Would the Numa Compact 2 also get this functionality for updating the samples ?

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#2921200 - 04/13/18 07:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Zadillo]
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I would guess yes, they use the same OS and share most components.

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#2921212 - 04/13/18 08:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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That MixFace thing is a little bizarre. It's obviously intended to add live knobs/fadersto an existing "naked" board.

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#2921235 - 04/13/18 09:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Indeed. That, perched on the SL88 Grand, would make me a happy man.



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#2921258 - 04/13/18 11:38 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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I would guess yes, they use the same OS and share most components.


Yeah, that's sort of my assumption too (I was pleased when I was able to update my Numa Compact 2 with the USB Audio functionality, rather then them making that a feature you had to upgrade to the 2x for).

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#2921305 - 04/13/18 03:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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By the time Studiologic gets around to actually selling the 2X, it'll be time to announce the Compact 3 at summer NAMM.

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#2921399 - 04/14/18 07:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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By the time Studiologic gets around to actually selling the 2X, it'll be time to announce the Compact 3 at summer NAMM.

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#2921518 - 04/15/18 07:52 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ChiefDanG]
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I got the 2 for Christmas and am loving it! May consider the 2x (or 3!!) when it comes out.

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#2921530 - 04/15/18 09:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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How has studio logic been in recent years with firmware updates for bug fixes - the Numa and SL stuff, the Sledge, and the first Compact, etc?
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#2921538 - 04/15/18 09:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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How has studio logic been in recent years with firmware updates for bug fixes - the Numa and SL stuff, the Sledge, and the first Compact, etc?

Eh.
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#2921603 - 04/15/18 05:47 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Am a bit late to this thread, honestly was hoping for an instrument with this form factor and versatility from Crumar.... They have all the pieces and then some...
Lightweight 88 key perfect for open mike nite...one instrument, 4 minute setup...bliss! Anxious to try Compact 2x..hope the organ engine works out.
OTOH Maybe korg/yamaha has something on the drawing board. Would sell like hotcakes cakes.

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#2921663 - 04/16/18 08:06 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ap297]
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Am a bit late to this thread, honestly was hoping for an instrument with this form factor and versatility from Crumar.... They have all the pieces and then some...
Lightweight 88 key perfect for open mike nite...one instrument, 4 minute setup...bliss! Anxious to try Compact 2x..hope the organ engine works out.
OTOH Maybe korg/yamaha has something on the drawing board. Would sell like hotcakes cakes.


Sure Korg or Yamaha could do something like this, but it would cost a lot more.

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#2921673 - 04/16/18 08:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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What is the level of tweakability of this board? Or is it more of a "take it or leave it" type of format? Since we all have our own definitions of the best Hammond sound, programmability of both the basic organ sound and also Leslie parameters would be desired, and the same would also be said for the other sounds as well. One glaring omission I did spot, checking on what info was available on the SL webpage, was the lack of a wah effect, which we would want for clavs.

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#2921768 - 04/16/18 03:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BenWaB3]
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I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Edited by Radagast (04/16/18 03:12 PM)

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#2921774 - 04/16/18 03:44 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I don't expect a whole lot of on-board synth editing, but an ipad or computer based editor would be really cool
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#2921793 - 04/16/18 05:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.
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#2921794 - 04/16/18 06:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.


Do we want to believe that a company would be stupid enough to consciously leave a major malfunction in a marketing video?

I guess in this day a and age, yep. smile

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#2921796 - 04/16/18 06:10 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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"At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch."

That was to demonstrate that the keys aint clunkey! smile

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#2921802 - 04/16/18 06:45 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: wd8dky]
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IAt about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.


Ugh. That certainly didn't look intentional or like normal functionality to me.


Do we want to believe that a company would be stupid enough to consciously leave a major malfunction in a marketing video?

I guess in this day a and age, yep. smile


The video wasn't an official Studiologic video, so they didn't have control over the content. It looked like the presenter was trying to act like it was nothing, but he was raising one of the sliders and still not getting any sound. I'm glad Sweetwater has a free 2 year warranty on their merchandise.

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#2921808 - 04/16/18 07:15 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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He had said shipping in few months so might be a few bugs left to work out.


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#2921815 - 04/16/18 07:57 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.



LOL! Now that was hysterical! I love how he kept hitting the key waiting for something to happen... and then runs his fingers up and down the keyboard...clackety-clack! Talking over it all the time. Good salesman! OY
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#2921856 - 04/17/18 06:00 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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There's another video, showing much more of the organ engine (skip to 6:10 to go directly to the playing part):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXvfGnSNcY

And a more synth/performance oriented one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0czE4ZEzKQ

Wonder if that keyclick and leslie parameters on the organ section are adjustable and if you can assign the leslie speed to the damper pedal...


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#2921886 - 04/17/18 08:13 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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There's another video, showing much more of the organ engine (skip to 6:10 to go directly to the playing part):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BXvfGnSNcY

And a more synth/performance oriented one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0czE4ZEzKQ

Wonder if that keyclick and leslie parameters on the organ section are adjustable and if you can assign the leslie speed to the damper pedal...


I like the first video better. It showed that the organ can be split and used like a two manual Hammond. I wasn't impressed with some of the sounds on the second video. It looks like the two drawbars controlling LFO speed and depth only affect the LFO modulating the filter. Maybe it can do a good imitation of the Yamaha GX-1 on the beginning of ELP's Pirates.


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#2922203 - 04/18/18 03:00 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
I found another video today. It goes a little bit more into the synth section. It seems that there are a variety of waves available.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-obRJmD-iQ

At about 6:04 the keyboard went silent. I was wondering if that was on purpose, or if it was a glitch.



LOL! Now that was hysterical! I love how he kept hitting the key waiting for something to happen... and then runs his fingers up and down the keyboard...clackety-clack! Talking over it all the time. Good salesman! OY


Had to add my 2 cents.
Just watched that video and he was showing how the drawbars can control parameters of the synth. He then pushed a drawbar all the way up and lost his sound. I think he pushed "attack" full up and didn't hold the keys long enough for the sound to fade in.
Anyhow, still very interested in this keyboard. Hope they can get it in somebody's hands soon - so they can do an in-depth demo/review.
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#2922423 - 04/19/18 05:56 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I emailed American Music and Sound and received a reply today. The first shipment is scheduled to arrive in the U.S. in late May. The units will appear in stores in the beginning of June. They are already almost sold out of their first shipment. Summer NAMM starts in late June. I might skip the 2X and wait for the Compact 3, which will probably have much more synth control.


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#2925146 - 05/03/18 08:59 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Anybody else have that sinking feeling that it's going to be delayed further?

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#2925298 - 05/04/18 07:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Cancelled mine yesterday. Bought a Mojo 61 instead. Perfect lightweight rehearsal board.
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#2925305 - 05/04/18 08:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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I think it's pretty safe to assume that virtually everything the Mojo 61 does, it will do better than the Numa. The question would be whether that's all you need, since the Numa does so much more.

If you don't need aftertouch or more than 61 keys, the Casio XW-P1 is similarly a lightweight, low-priced 9-slider organ + VA synth + rompler. Up from there, Roland VR-09. If you need more keys, there's Roland VR-730 and Kurzweil Artis7. But sure, if you can get by with 61 keys of monotimbral organ/EP/clav, Mojo is top tier.
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#2925307 - 05/04/18 09:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Anybody else have that sinking feeling that it's going to be delayed further?

Perhaps the cases are on the same boat? I've had one on order since January. Still loving my 15lb 88's, though.
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#2925386 - 05/05/18 11:54 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Anybody else have that sinking feeling that it's going to be delayed further?

Perhaps the cases are on the same boat? I've had one on order since January. Still loving my 15lb 88's, though.


I noticed that too. Why is the case not already available? It would work fine for a Compact 2 also.

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#2925459 - 05/05/18 08:16 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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If you don't need aftertouch or more than 61 keys, the Casio XW-P1 is similarly a lightweight, low-priced 9-slider organ + VA synth + rompler.


Quite frankly the XW-P1 blows. Nowhere near the same league as the Mojo 61 and likely nowhere near the Numa 2x if it has the Numa Organ engine. The pianos and the EPs in the normal 2 killed the Casio. Plus the action is better. Why give this guy a bum steer?

Do we know if the 2x has the Numa Organ 2 engine? The demos don't really show enough yet. But in any case if I was just looking for a stage piano the 2x would be high on my list if I wanted something cheap and light.

The Mojo 61 is flat out awesome but I've played the Numa Organ 2 a lot and for B3 they are fairly close. With each being slightly better at certain things. If the 2x has that, watch out.

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#2925469 - 05/05/18 10:48 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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If you don't need aftertouch or more than 61 keys, the Casio XW-P1 is similarly a lightweight, low-priced 9-slider organ + VA synth + rompler.

Quite frankly the XW-P1 blows. Nowhere near the same league as the Mojo 61 and likely nowhere near the Numa 2x if it has the Numa Organ engine. The pianos and the EPs in the normal 2 killed the Casio. Plus the action is better. Why give this guy a bum steer?

As a Numa Compact 2X alternative, sure the Mojo 61 is a far better organ and EP than the XW-P1. But the XW-P1 is a far better synth and rompler than the Mojo 61, which isn't a synth and rompler at all. The XW-P1 can at least perform all the basic functions that the NC2X can, the Mojo 61 cannot.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
Do we know if the 2x has the Numa Organ 2 engine? The demos don't really show enough yet.

From what I've seen so far, while the NC2X may use a Numa Organ based organ engine, I don't think it has the same rotary/overdrive, which of course is a big part of the sound. I think the NC2X organ will be better than the XW-P1, but not as good as the Mojo.

BTW, I think the XW-P1 has nice synth functionality. I'll be curious to see how the NC2X compares. (First video is mono lead sounds, second video is poly synth stuff.)





XW-P1 beats the NC2X in having more real-time controls, patch recall buttons, four independent zones. NC2X has the 88 keys, aftertouch, and probably mostly better bread-and-butter sounds.
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#2925474 - 05/05/18 11:17 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Organ demo:








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#2925537 - 05/06/18 09:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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If you don't need aftertouch or more than 61 keys, the Casio XW-P1 is similarly a lightweight, low-priced 9-slider organ + VA synth + rompler.

Quite frankly the XW-P1 blows. Nowhere near the same league as the Mojo 61 and likely nowhere near the Numa 2x if it has the Numa Organ engine. The pianos and the EPs in the normal 2 killed the Casio. Plus the action is better. Why give this guy a bum steer?

As a Numa Compact 2X alternative, sure the Mojo 61 is a far better organ and EP than the XW-P1. But the XW-P1 is a far better synth and rompler than the Mojo 61, which isn't a synth and rompler at all. The XW-P1 can at least perform all the basic functions that the NC2X can, the Mojo 61 cannot.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
Do we know if the 2x has the Numa Organ 2 engine? The demos don't really show enough yet.

From what I've seen so far, while the NC2X may use a Numa Organ based organ engine, I don't think it has the same rotary/overdrive, which of course is a big part of the sound. I think the NC2X organ will be better than the XW-P1, but not as good as the Mojo.

BTW, I think the XW-P1 has nice synth functionality. I'll be curious to see how the NC2X compares. (First video is mono lead sounds, second video is poly synth stuff.)





XW-P1 beats the NC2X in having more real-time controls, patch recall buttons, four independent zones. NC2X has the 88 keys, aftertouch, and probably mostly better bread-and-butter sounds.




Hey didn't you read that earlier post? The XW-P1 blows. No amount of good sounding demos is going to change the expert opinion. Case closed.

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#2925538 - 05/06/18 09:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Demo of many sounds:



Organ demo:








Just to be clear, the first video is of the Compact 2, not the 2X.

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#2925558 - 05/06/18 11:52 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Hey didn't you read that earlier post? The XW-P1 blows. No amount of good sounding demos is going to change the expert opinion. Case closed.


True. I had an XW-P1 for several years mainly used as a back-up for a Kurzweil that had issues. The Casio just doesn't sound good compared to the Kurzweil or the Numa. The XW-P1 is feature rich but GM sounds and the B3 is very week. I won't even get into the Leslie sim because it will drive you to stab coat hangers into your eardrums.

It's okay but it sounds every penny of its $400. The Numa 2 is about the same price but the pianos and EPs are well above Generalissimo MIDI quality. And the keyboard action is superior to the XW-P1 in every way.

The Numa 2x still looks like a stage piano with extra sounds and not a synth so there are no controls. I'm guessing an app will be needed to really edit the synth parameters at all but if the synth if close to the Sledge it'll smoke the P1. The organ demo sounds better than the P1.

The P1 sounds better on youtube than in person and the key action is cheap. Not bad for a 13 year old in a cover band for the junior high talent show playing The Final Countdown but nowhere near gigworthy sound quality. The Privia pianos are but the P1 does not have those samples.

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#2925559 - 05/06/18 12:16 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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I own an XW-P1, works fine as a controller and the VA Synth isn't awful. But as an organ or a rompler? It sucks hard.
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#2925563 - 05/06/18 12:35 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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I'm guessing an app will be needed to really edit the synth parameters at all but if the synth if close to the Sledge it'll smoke the P1.


I'm guessing that if the 2-way audio over USB and MIDI over USB work as advertised, the synth engine in the compact 2X won't really matter as people will use it to trigger synths or even samples from the many capable apps available for even old iPhones/iPods/iPads.
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#2925576 - 05/06/18 01:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
I'm guessing an app will be needed to really edit the synth parameters at all but if the synth if close to the Sledge it'll smoke the P1.


I'm guessing that if the 2-way audio over USB and MIDI over USB work as advertised, the synth engine in the compact 2X won't really matter as people will use it to trigger synths or even samples from the many capable apps available for even old iPhones/iPods/iPads.


The 2-way simultaneous audio / MIDI through USB works beautifully with the latest firmware on my Compact 2. The thing is a darned good controller for my iPad.
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#2925586 - 05/06/18 02:37 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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The 2-way simultaneous audio / MIDI through USB works beautifully with the latest firmware on my Compact 2. The thing is a darned good controller for my iPad.


QED.

I've never played a sledge but I'd hazard a guess that something like Propellerhead's Thor can rival the capabilities of a hardware VA.

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#2925592 - 05/06/18 03:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Toano88]
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The XW-P1 is feature rich but GM sounds and the B3 is very week. I won't even get into the Leslie sim because it will drive you to stab coat hangers into your eardrums.

I thought the Leslie sim itself was adequate. The overdrive, OTOH, was atrocious.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
It's okay but it sounds every penny of its $400. The Numa 2 is about the same price but the pianos and EPs are well above Generalissimo MIDI quality. And the keyboard action is superior to the XW-P1 in every way.

The Numa 2X (the one with the organ) is hundreds more than the XW-P1. The XW-P1 action varied. I've mentioned that before... I played some that felt much better than any Yamaha, Korg, or Roland anywhere near its price, and I played others that felt awful.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
The Numa 2x still looks like a stage piano with extra sounds and not a synth so there are no controls.

The 9 drawbar faders double as synth controls.

If you want piano/EP, drawbar organ, basic rompler sounds, and some semblance of synth (with appropriate controls, like pitch/modulation, filter cutoff/resonance, some envelope controls), the XW-P1 is the entry point. Then the Numa Compact 2X should be a big improvement in most ways, though I'm curious to know more about its synth sounds and functions. (And it does lag the Casio in some ways, like splits/layers, MIDI controller functionality, patch recall buttons, the ability to pan sounds so you could effectively do things like put a better rotary sim on the organ sound). Up from there in price comes the Roland VR-09. Then the Roland VR-730 and Kurzweil Artis7. After that, you're in the $2k+ range.
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#2925671 - 05/07/18 04:37 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show. I would expect much more synth editing controls. I'm leaning strongly towards cancelling my order with Sweetwater. I need an 88 note piano, so I snagged a Dexibell P7 while it's still at $1499.

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#2925672 - 05/07/18 05:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show.

Nah. The 2X will have been been shipping for maybe about 6 months at that point. Also, the 2X is not a successor (replacement) for the 2, it is a new additional model.

As far as successors go, it was 5 years between Numa Compact and Numa Compact 2.
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#2925696 - 05/07/18 08:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show. I would expect much more synth editing controls. I'm leaning strongly towards cancelling my order with Sweetwater. I need an 88 note piano, so I snagged a Dexibell P7 while it's still at $1499.


I agree that the next iteration will have more synth controls but I don't expect that to even be on the radar for three years or so.

Congrats on the Dexibell, I really wish that I could try one out, the demos sound solid and they look sweet. The S-3 would be my Dexibell of choice. Don't really need one but they are indeed tempting.

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#2925697 - 05/07/18 08:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show.

Nah. The 2X will have been been shipping for maybe about 6 months at that point. Also, the 2X is not a successor (replacement) for the 2, it is a new additional model.

As far as successors go, it was 5 years between Numa Compact and Numa Compact 2.


My guess is theyíll come out with a 73 version first.
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#2925764 - 05/07/18 02:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show. I would expect much more synth editing controls. I'm leaning strongly towards cancelling my order with Sweetwater. I need an 88 note piano, so I snagged a Dexibell P7 while it's still at $1499.


I agree that the next iteration will have more synth controls but I don't expect that to even be on the radar for three years or so.

Congrats on the Dexibell, I really wish that I could try one out, the demos sound solid and they look sweet. The S-3 would be my Dexibell of choice. Don't really need one but they are indeed tempting.


I'll let you know how it sounds after it arrives.

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#2925765 - 05/07/18 02:35 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Considering how soon Studiologic came out with the 2X after the 2, I'm expecting them to come out with a successor to the 2X at the 2019 January NAMM show.

Nah. The 2X will have been been shipping for maybe about 6 months at that point. Also, the 2X is not a successor (replacement) for the 2, it is a new additional model.

As far as successors go, it was 5 years between Numa Compact and Numa Compact 2.


The 2 had only been shipping for about 6 months when they showed the 2X at NAMM. I know because I waited several months to get the 2 from Sweetwater.


Edited by Radagast (05/07/18 02:36 PM)

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#2925788 - 05/07/18 06:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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The 2 had only been shipping for about 6 months when they showed the 2X at NAMM. I know because I waited several months to get the 2 from Sweetwater.

Yes, but again it was not a successor/replacement, it was a new additional higher priced model. I don't think they'd expand the line to include a 2 at $499, 2X at $699, and some kind of 2XX at $899 or whatever. If the only thing you really find lacking is more knobs for synth (to add more control than what you can do with the 8 sliders), II don't think that justifies a 3rd model. I think if anything, you might be able to accomplish that with their forthcoming Mixface accessory. Maybe it could be velcro'd on the top right, even though it would overhang. (And also, as far as adding more features to a still higher end Compact, I would presume they're not aiming to eliminate all reason to buy a Sledge or a Numa Organ 2, either).
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#2925842 - 05/08/18 04:35 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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The 2 had only been shipping for about 6 months when they showed the 2X at NAMM. I know because I waited several months to get the 2 from Sweetwater.

Yes, but again it was not a successor/replacement, it was a new additional higher priced model. I don't think they'd expand the line to include a 2 at $499, 2X at $699, and some kind of 2XX at $899 or whatever. If the only thing you really find lacking is more knobs for synth (to add more control than what you can do with the 8 sliders), II don't think that justifies a 3rd model. I think if anything, you might be able to accomplish that with their forthcoming Mixface accessory. Maybe it could be velcro'd on the top right, even though it would overhang. (And also, as far as adding more features to a still higher end Compact, I would presume they're not aiming to eliminate all reason to buy a Sledge or a Numa Organ 2, either).


Then we'll see come January 2019. But they've given people reason to wonder. And I think it'll be called the Compact 3. Nord and Dexibell both have more than one instrument with drawbars. The same is true with other companies that have more than one instrument with similar features. I don't know what are the sales figures are for the Sledge. But if they aren't good, or they are significantly less than the Compact 2 (which is supposedly doing quite well) then why wouldn't they give a lot more features in a Compact 3, if it will sell much better than a similar item that isn't?


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#2927484 - 05/17/18 08:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Anybody else have that sinking feeling that it's going to be delayed further?


Iím not trying to sound like a know-it-all...okay thatís a lie. Now the distributor is saying the manufacturer is delaying the 2X to the end of July. Iím glad I went with the Dexibell P7. Itís a great piano.

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#2927490 - 05/17/18 08:49 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I think itís a quite a feat that SL has put together this feature set at this price point. Itís staggering really. If it takes them a little longer to get it out the door so be it. My only fear is how buggy it will be and will they get firmware updates out to fix quickly.
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#2928818 - 05/23/18 12:03 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I think itís a quite a feat that SL has put together this feature set at this price point. Itís staggering really. If it takes them a little longer to get it out the door so be it. My only fear is how buggy it will be and will they get firmware updates out to fix quickly.


It would be quite a feat if they actually bring it to market, at this price point, and it works. But now theyíre going to be showing at a third music show without it actually being available to buy. Behringer shows a lot of prototypes, but what does it matter if they never dhow up in the market?

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#2928935 - 05/23/18 11:21 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I think itís a quite a feat that SL has put together this feature set at this price point. Itís staggering really. If it takes them a little longer to get it out the door so be it. My only fear is how buggy it will be and will they get firmware updates out to fix quickly.


I agree. If the keybed is top-notch, itís worth the price as a controller keyboard without any sounds. What other pro controller can be found for $800? Especially at 15.6 lbs.
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#2928942 - 05/24/18 12:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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I wish StudioLogic nothing but the best with this product, but I think "unweighted 88" is a very narrow niche. That board in a 73/76 makes more sense imo.

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#2928957 - 05/24/18 04:26 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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I've been 76-key advocate for over 30 years from my first "real" synth being the JX10. It spoiled me I guess because 61 has always felt cramped for two handed play.

However since taking up piano again, it sure is nice to hit those lower keys of an 88 when such a rumble is desired. I often miss that beautiful Low D when going back to a 76'er.

The easy split and controller capabilities of the Compact 2 and 2X also provide ample reason for 88 keys. And at 15 pounds, I love it.
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#2928966 - 05/24/18 06:29 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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I wish StudioLogic nothing but the best with this product, but I think "unweighted 88" is a very narrow niche. That board in a 73/76 makes more sense imo.


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Perhaps the hold-up getting this to market is that Studiologic is rethinking its potential for this board. It didnít take them long to deliver a 73 key SL Studio controller once they felt they had a winner. Hopefully theyíve realized the Compact series has a wider market and more versions will be available from the gate.
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#2928971 - 05/24/18 06:59 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: drawback]
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Agree

Numa Compact 2x in a 73/76 key form factor would be an excellent contender for an affordable top tier keyboard currently being discussed in the other thread. Also serve well as a rehearsal/pick-up gig keyboard.
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#2929186 - 05/25/18 12:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: drawback]
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Perhaps the hold-up getting this to market is that Studiologic is rethinking its potential for this board. It didnít take them long to deliver a 73 key SL Studio controller once they felt they had a winner. Hopefully theyíve realized the Compact series has a wider market and more versions will be available from the gate.


I'm not sure that's the reason. The SL73 wasn't launched because "they felt they had a winner", it was basically a replacement for the older Acuna 73. There's been a hammer 73 in Studiologic's/Fatar's range for a long time.

The Numa Compact is a different animal. It started as a stage piano (so 88 keys) but lightweight (so not hammer-action). The 2X continues that lineage - although there's so much more than piano on it that the "stage piano" label becomes less relevant. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a 7x-sized NC2X but I wouldn't bank on it.

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#2929441 - 05/26/18 06:37 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I think itís a quite a feat that SL has put together this feature set at this price point. Itís staggering really. If it takes them a little longer to get it out the door so be it. My only fear is how buggy it will be and will they get firmware updates out to fix quickly.


I agree. If the keybed is top-notch, itís worth the price as a controller keyboard without any sounds. What other pro controller can be found for $800? Especially at 15.6 lbs.


I wouldn't call the keybed in the Compact 2 top notch. The 2X is supposed to have the same. Both the white and black keys are shorter than standard keys. Because of that, it takes more force to push down a key if your finger is positioned further in. Piano Man Chuck pointed this out in a Youtube video. I didn't pay much attention to what he said, until I bought the Compact 2. On some chords, I have to position some fingers further in. Longer keys have better travel because the fulcrum is farther away from the fingers.


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#2929458 - 05/26/18 07:53 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I wouldn't call the keybed in the Compact 2 top notch. The 2X is supposed to have the same. Both the white and black keys are shorter than standard keys. Because of that, it takes more force to push down a key if your finger is positioned further in.

Yes, though it's relative... The Numa does have that issue, but not as badly as the Roland FA06/VR09/DS61, FA07, or many Korgs do. The Numa does cross my threshold from being unplayable for piano to just barely playable for piano. ;-)

As a point of interest, I just measured the total length of a black key from the rear-most point you can press up to the beginning of the front slope down...

Roland DS61 (same as FA06, VR09) = just under 3"
Numa Compact 2 = 3 3/16"
Kurzweil Artis 7 = just over 3.5"

and the Kurzweil also doesn't get as dead in the back, which is not strictly a function of the measured length of the keys, since the pivot point you are talking about is related to how much of the key you're not seeing (i.e. behind the visible rear).

With the lighter springs I put in the Kurzweil (a subjective preference), that would be the one I'd prefer to play if I needed to play piano from one of these SW boards (regardless of the sounds). I'm going to try lighter springs in a Nord, too.
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#2929612 - 05/27/18 10:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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I bought a Compact 2 off Amazon about a month or so ago, hoping itís 15 lbs would be a nice rehearsal keyboard option at times. I have had rehearsals in CC Philly where I have had to walk several blocks to get the the studio, and dropping the keyboard off prior to parking was not an option.

The Compact 2ís action does not work for me at all. It is too springy, and the short keys are weird. The black notes are really odd in how hard they are to trigger. Maybe I could adapt to one of these things, but this trifecta of quirks will have me sell this keyboard for less than half price.

Itís a shame, because the sounds are usable, and the feature set is actually quite nice for the price. I can plug my iPad into the USB port and get the app sounds to play through the internal speakers and/or the audio outputs. Pretty sweet!

But for me, the action is unusable, so I will sell it for cheap. I should have tried the 30 lbs SL88 Studio, because I owned a Numa Stage piano some years ago, and it was passable with itís action, which I think is the same as the SL88 Studio, but I was greedy, and thought a 15 lbs keyboard would actually work for me. Itís not worth it though, I will just lug my heavy-@ss RD-800 and be happy when I play (and b!itch when I move it). Also, I own an original 20-something lbs Numa organ, and I would choose that over the Compact 2ís action for playing organ all day.

If you play in a rock band, and spend most of your time playing in the key of guitar, it might serve your needs well, so I am not condemning the Compact II, but just advising those like me who are tempted by itís 15 lbs. If you need something close to a piano action (even a cruddy piano action), this is probably not for you.

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#2929634 - 05/27/18 01:41 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: unitjazz]
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If you need something close to a piano action (even a cruddy piano action), this is probably not for you.

You certainly can' go into it expecting anything like the experience of a hammer action. But as non-hammer action boards under $1k go, it is more playable for piano than most others., though one could look at that as damning with faint praise.
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#2929660 - 05/27/18 07:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Frankly, I really enjoy playing the NC2 and love the action for a semi-weighted. I have no issues with it and can really dig in. It's a bit more resistant than my old Studiologic TMK-88 which was nice (and 13.5 lbs).

I guess I've learned to adapt to many actions since starting on piano 54 years ago but the NC2 is a pleasure, particularly the 15.5 lbs. for transport.
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#2929701 - 05/28/18 08:35 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bosendorphen]
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I too have come to rather enjoy playing on the NC2 however, as commented on before, it is quite a different keybed than any I've experienced before, and took a couple of weeks to find the right technique for maximum expressivity.

Definitely repeating myself here but as a synth and organ player for over 30 years, I found it challenging to play weighted keys again on my Kawai ES100; especially when switching back and forth from unweighted keys on the top tier. I think it may have been CEB that provided wonderful advice to use forearm weight for weighted piano. That helped SO MUCH! Thank you!

The NC2 requires somewhere between these techniques; too much arm weight and the aftertouch activates. Fine variation of finger speed seems to provide best dynamic interaction for me on that board, but still different than any other keys I have. Not easy to explain.

Whelp, gotta go practice now. smile
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#2930099 - 05/30/18 08:25 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
I too have come to rather enjoy playing on the NC2 however, as commented on before, it is quite a different keybed than any I've experienced before, and took a couple of weeks to find the right technique for maximum expressivity.

Definitely repeating myself here but as a synth and organ player for over 30 years, I found it challenging to play weighted keys again on my Kawai ES100; especially when switching back and forth from unweighted keys on the top tier. I think it may have been CEB that provided wonderful advice to use forearm weight for weighted piano. That helped SO MUCH! Thank you!

The NC2 requires somewhere between these techniques; too much arm weight and the aftertouch activates. Fine variation of finger speed seems to provide best dynamic interaction for me on that board, but still different than any other keys I have. Not easy to explain.

Whelp, gotta go practice now. smile


I found it quite easy to avoid triggering the aftertouch on the NC2 I had. Mine required deliberate pushing down. I could feel the key going down and coming back up when I let up.

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#2930158 - 05/30/18 12:51 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2930624 - 06/01/18 08:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Almost starting June... and nothing?


As I said a few posts ago, it's been delayed to the end of July.

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#2930666 - 06/02/18 07:07 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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My gig rig and most of my studio is set for playing while standing, and I am admittedly rather heavy-handed, so aftertouch triggers pretty easy for me. The SY77 still probably has the best AT interaction for me; Fantom is pretty good, too. Both take deliberate presses and are quite easy to control depth, even when modulating pitch. However imho, the Numa C2's keybed feels better overall, particularly for piano noises and while a bit easier to accidentally trigger AT, it is worlds better than the Yamaha EX5 that triggers with just the slightest pressure with no way to adjust it. That is one of the few keys I have set to play while sitting in the studio.

Numa C2 has options to turn OFF aftertouch on upper, lower, or both; internal and/or external and save the settings to a registration. Nearly all of my piano and EP patches have AT turned OFF and and the layered pads and strings have it ON to add a little vibrato if desired. Man, what a great board and controller.

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#2933485 - 06/18/18 07:00 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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I'm really interested in this keyboard. I've been looking for something with 88 keys (or thereabouts) to use primarily as a midi controller, but that can also be used as a keyboard for gigs or practicing at a friends place. This seems like it does everything I want well enough and won't break the bank (like other other leading contender [the Nord stage 3] would).

I found this thread which has some great info on which keybed is used in what keyboard:
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2893559/Comprehensive_List_of_Keyboard

It seems the numa compact line is one of the few that use the TP/9 Piano. The TP/9s is a very common and well regarded keybed but the action on it is a bit more synthy, I think the piano option is probably better for someone like me that's going to be using it for both synth and piano. I was in a music shop the other day and they had a Numa compact 2 on display (same keybed) and I really really like the feel of it. It's something of a compromise between weighted/semiweighted keys (closer to semiweighted of course), but I really like the way it feels.

I'm a tiny bit concerned about playing chords with my long fingers and the shorter key length. Nice the keys are standard width though; that woulda been a deal breaker for me.

Guitar center's website shows that it is in stock today, but then the button still says preorder... hmm


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#2934071 - 06/22/18 10:27 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2934110 - 06/22/18 01:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: djdisbro]
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#2934113 - 06/22/18 02:25 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: djdisbro]
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I can't believe this is really happening! They said it couldn't be done. That Studiologic would go bankrupt trying to pack in so many sounds into a keyboard with this low a price.

Looks like the experts were wrong. Now ask yourself about the price of the Nords and whether or not it is even close to being justifiable.

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#2934117 - 06/22/18 02:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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I don't recall any MI industry pundits saying any of those things. And since it isn't shipping (in the US at least), there's no way to know what effect it will have on Studio Logic's bottom line for the year. I think you're teasing us, mojoguy.
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#2934266 - 06/23/18 02:39 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


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#2934274 - 06/23/18 04:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: djdisbro]
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Damn, when I called them about it a couple days ago they said there was stock if I put in a preorder. Guess that got eaten up now waiting for the next shipment.


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#2934277 - 06/23/18 05:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


Same here... bought a Mojo 61 instead.
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#2934279 - 06/23/18 05:32 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


Same here... bought a Mojo 61 instead.

If the Mojo61 does what you need, I'm confident it's the better choice! It doesn't do as many things as the NX2X, but the things it does, it almost certainly does better.
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#2934280 - 06/23/18 05:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor. The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out.

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#2934286 - 06/23/18 06:09 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Copacetic]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor. The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out.


You know... it may end up sounding like shit. If it ever hits the market.
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#2934295 - 06/23/18 07:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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#2934299 - 06/23/18 07:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I played one of these today at gear fest. Oddly it sat right next to an NE6. The action and sound seemed adequate, but nowhere near the NE6.
The rep, who's name tag read "Nord technician". Said it was one of 3 in the US that they are using for events.
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#2934301 - 06/23/18 07:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: Copacetic
Originally Posted By: Radagast
Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor. The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out.


You know... it may end up sounding like shit. If it ever hits the market.


There's no way it sounds like shit. There are already several videos where you can hear what it sounds like.

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#2934302 - 06/23/18 07:56 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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Originally Posted By: Copacetic

The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor. The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out.

You know... it may end up sounding like shit. If it ever hits the market.

It's not such a mystery. Start with the $499 Numa Compact 2, we already know what that sounds like. For $200 more, you get clonewheel and VA synth engines, with sliders that do triple duty as drawbars, synth controls, and MIDI controllers. It will be a good value. Just based on the demos already up, that's a lot of nice extra usability for that $200. I don't think anyone should be expecting all the sonic horsepower of the $1100 Numa Organ 2 and the $900 Sledge in this $700 keyboard that already does a bunch of other things besides. I think it's a safe bet that this is not going to be a Nord Stage 3 or Mojo 61 killer. But unless it's full of bugs or something, it should be a killer budget board.

To me, if it has an Achilles' heel, it's probably patch selection. They should have a way to repurpose the Sound Banks buttons to function as favorites and/or in some kind of keypad mode. At a minimum, I would hope you could re-define which sounds in each sound bank come up as default.
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#2934307 - 06/23/18 08:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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At this price it competes with VR-09b.
That's tough competition sonically.
But it's not hard to beat the VR-09b's action or feel of drawbars.
User interface - we'll see which makes it easier to do what most need to get done.
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#2934326 - 06/24/18 04:41 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Studiologic Numa 2x > Roland VR09

I really don't get the hate from Ragast and others on the 2x. 1st we get the vaporware bashing, now we get the it's likely to sound like crap chorus. Both are bogus claims.

Pianos and EPs are what is in the 2. A knownn quantity. The 2x has a couple of demos from shows. The organ sounds decent in those videos. Hard to tell how.the organ and synth will sound in person but seems decent and the Numa 2 we know. Not shit.

Since when has Studiologic been known for vaporware? It's not like they claim that the 2x can do cold fusion. This is a 2 that they threw some drawbars and a couple extra buttons on and a new processor inside. They make the Sledge and Organ 2 so it's not like they don't already have a synth and organ engine to slap in there. They'll need to modify them for the limited controls but it's not exactly like they are starting from square one.

The price is $200 more than the 2 which should cover the more powerful processor and drawbars.

Studiologic has been doing some great stuff. The Organ and Sledge are high end and the Stage and Numa are solid middle-weight stage pianos that punch above their class. I'm optimistic that this will be another good board for someone who wants this all in one package, you do lose a lot of control vs the Organ and Sledge but the sound quality should be there in the 2x.

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#2934334 - 06/24/18 05:44 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Studiologic Numa 2x > Roland VR09
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Pianos and EPs are what is in the 2. A knownn quantity. The 2x has a couple of demos from shows. The organ sounds decent in those videos. Hard to tell how.the organ and synth will sound in person but seems decent and the Numa 2 we know. Not shit.

One place I think the VR09 will sonically beat Numa is in the rompler sounds. As you say, other than organ and synth, we already know how the Numa sounds will compare to Roland's. I think Numa's pianos/EPs are fine, but its other acoustic instrument sounds (strings, brass, winds, etc.) are generally not in Roland's league, IMO. Numa will certainly beat Roland in keyboard/MIDI capabilities (88 better feeling keys, with aftertouch, with 9-slider functionality as a MIDI controller, and I believe with better ability to call up its sounds over MIDI). Roland may still have the edge in general operational ergonomics for live performance, as Elmer alluded to.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
This is a 2 that they threw some drawbars and a couple extra buttons on and a new processor inside.

We don't know for sure it has a new processor, but it doesn't really matter.

Originally Posted By: MojoGuyPan
you do lose a lot of control vs the Organ and Sledge but the sound quality should be there in the 2x.

I will be surprised if the only differences between the $700 NC2X and the $2500 combination of a NC2 plus a Numa Organ plus a Sledge are in the controls (even allowing for the fact that they can eliminate redundancies). I wouldn't count on seeing the rotary sim, overdrive, or alternate organ models of the Numa Organ 2, or all the advanced features of the Sledge (3 oscillators, 2 LFOs with many waveshapes and destinations, PPG wavetables, FM, multimode filter, samples as sound sources, arpeggiator...) - I expect much more minimal sonic functionalities derived from those flagships, with at best some subset of the things I mentioned, which may or may not meet or exceed the organ and synth sections of the Roland. But we'll see. (And that's not a knock. I still think it will be an outstanding board for $700 regardless.)
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#2934336 - 06/24/18 05:48 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Chromedoggy]
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I played one of these today at gear fest. Oddly it sat right next to an NE6. The action and sound seemed adequate, but nowhere near the NE6.
The rep, who's name tag read "Nord technician"

Not as odd as it may have seemed. In the U.S., Nord and Numa/Studiologic are distributed and represented by the same company, American Music & Sound.
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#2934338 - 06/24/18 06:13 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Now ask yourself about the price of the Nords Crumar Seven and whether or not it is even close to being justifiable.

Fixed. ;-)

I originally thought a Korg SV1 was too expensive for a monotimbral instrument with relatively few sounds. Then I bought one.

They're all justifiable if you can afford it and they sound, feel, and operate the way you want in a way that nothing for less does.
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#2934343 - 06/24/18 07:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Copacetic]
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Originally Posted By: Copacetic
[quote=Radagast]Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor. The numa compact 2x seemingly offers a lot of usable sound plus a great midi controller for the same as what you'd pay for a good 88 key midi controller. If this get's on people's radars this thing will sell like hot cakes. I'm holding out.


You know... it may end up sounding like shit. If it ever hits the market.


There's no way it sounds like shit. There are already several videos where you can hear what it sounds like. [/quote]

Really? The organ sounds like shit to me.
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#2934346 - 06/24/18 07:59 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Really? The organ sounds like shit to me.


This is starting to remind me a whole lot of the VR09 thread. facepalm
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#2934353 - 06/24/18 08:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Really? The organ sounds like shit to me.


This is starting to remind me a whole lot of the VR09 thread. facepalm


Bring it on, Baby!

Seriously... I ordered a Numa 2x in March for a lightweight rehearsal board. After hearing the organ sim I knew that the 2x would only be serving as a controller for Galilleo with piano sounds from the Korg Module or hopefully from the Numa.

After being lied to by several sources who should have known better (they told me that deliverers would be in March), my patience ran out and I just bought a Mojo 61... and I am glad I did. The Mojo is just as light and can serve as a great organ clone with very good AP and EP, clavinet, etc sounds.

So yes, I still think the 2x organ clone is poor. But for others who primarily need an AP controller. This is a great deal. Just not for me.


Edited by HammondDave (06/24/18 08:36 AM)
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#2934356 - 06/24/18 08:52 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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I wasn't being confrontational; it's just a similar situation of a much cheaper do it all board being held up to the standards of a much pricier more focused application board.

Like you, I pre-ordered one as a rehearsal board. It's much lighter than my NS2, and at roughly a fifth of the price, I would be OK leaving it in my trunk if I went out for dinner or drinks before or after a rehearsal, which I have never done with my Nord.

I frankly don't expect it to sound as good as a Mojo or even the Numa Organ. It would make no sense for Studiologic to cram all of the technology from three of their more expensive boards into a single cheaper machine.

I am most interested in the audio over USB feature, to supplement any shortcomings in the sound engines with iOS apps. Personally, I don't like Galileo but perhaps the newer version is better...
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#2934359 - 06/24/18 09:25 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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After hearing the organ sim I knew that the 2x would only be serving as a controller for Galilleo

I think that might be premature. If you judge both by some of their online demos, either can disappoint. Galileo is cool, but not the highest bar, I don't think we can be sure that this won't be better.

Originally Posted By: HammondDave
After being lied to by several sources who should have known better (they told me that deliverers would be in March)

I wouldn't assume anyone lied to you, especially if you did not speak to anyone in Italian. More likely, they were repeating what they had been told. Whether someone lied to them, who knows. As as has been said, it is very hard to make predictions, especially about the future. Often all you can get is something on the continuum between "best guess" and "hope." I should have known when our last album was going to be out. I was wrong. ;-)

Originally Posted By: HammondDave
The Mojo is just as light

Liar! ;-) Really, roughly 25 lbs vs 15 is not just as light.



Edited by AnotherScott (06/24/18 12:14 PM)
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#2934377 - 06/24/18 11:43 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Copacetic]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Makes me wonder what the problem is. I'm glad even more glad I didn't wait for it and bought a Dexibell instead.


The dexibell looks like a decent stage piano, completely misses the synth and midi keyboard functionality though so not really a direct competitor.


True but I wanted it primarily for the piano sound and the 88 keys. I already have a VR-09. I was going to sell it but now I have it and a superior piano.

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#2934379 - 06/24/18 11:53 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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Studiologic Numa 2x > Roland VR09

I really don't get the hate from Ragast and others on the 2x. 1st we get the vaporware bashing, now we get the it's likely to sound like crap chorus. Both are bogus claims.



My criticism comes from the repeatedly missed delivery dates. It makes it look like they don't know what they are doing. They've had a prototype at shows since January. Why can't they get it to market? I'm almost ready to start throwing stones at Dexibell too because they keep pushing the release of the new S9 later and later. Studiologic and Dexibell both have been showing prototypes of their respective new keyboards since the January NAMM show. Did both companies not know what needs to be done to manufacture these two items? Is it because they just don't have software programmers up to the task? Is there a quality control problem with their facilities or with their parts suppliers? Something is wrong here.

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#2934382 - 06/24/18 12:25 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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[My criticism comes from the repeatedly missed delivery dates. It makes it look like they don't know what they are doing.

They kinda don't. This isn't news... they have a long history of buggy software and questionable hardware QC. And it really is very hard to predict when software will be done (suitably stable for release). If it's taking them longer to get it right (or close enough), that's better than shipping something with significant usability issues. Really, I think their mistake was probably offering any date at all. They could have shown it as a prototype/concept, with no announced availability. Korg showed the Vox Continental for years that way.
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#2934393 - 06/24/18 01:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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The Numa Compact 2x doesn't appear to be crap, serviceable organ, piano, EPs. Sonically with what's on board it isn't going to best the VR-09b in any category (YMMV). It's real benefits are going to be price, weight, action, range after touch, and MIDI controller functionality.

Start at 4:35


One might also consider the Casio MZ-X300
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#2934427 - 06/24/18 04:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The Numa Compact 2x doesn't appear to be crap, serviceable organ, piano, EPs. Sonically with what's on board it isn't going to best the VR-09b in any category (YMMV). It's real benefits are going to be price, weight, action, range after touch, and MIDI controller functionality.

Start at 4:35


One might also consider the Casio MZ-X300


One must wonder then, why they can't get it into stores. From now on I'm not getting excited about anything they show at NAMM or other shows until it's available to purchase. It's like Behringer showing all the concept synthesizers and never bringing any to market. What's so cool about that if you will never be able to own one? It's like the a**holes at GM allowing Buick to show the Avista show car and then saying they're never going to build it. I don't want to see a concept that never sees the light of day. That's like musical Onanism.

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#2934429 - 06/24/18 04:59 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I hear ya, being really excited about something and expecting it to be available by a certain date only to have that date pushed back and pushed back is frustrating. Now seems like because that happened to you, you're trying to sling some crap at the company.

Yeah probably they should have just said "It will be available when it's available", but the salesman and marketers and fans hate that. We want to know when exactly we can get it, but the engineers, programmers, suppliers, etc only have an estimate of when that will be, kinda just depends what happens. That's just the way it is, especially with smaller companies and new products. If you can expect that then maybe you won't get so pissed when it happens.

Far as I can tell the sounds they have incorporated from the organ or the sledge are the same sounds, just there's a lot less of them and less functionality to modify those sounds.

This is exactly the kind of sacrifice for a cheaper price I'm totally willing to make. Less content but the content that is there is of equal quality.

Anyway personally, for me, anything by Roland isn't even in the running. I like their synths but I have always found their pianos to sound too muffled and like it's coming from a piece of plastic**. The next most likely contender is probably something from Yamaha (the MX88) or maybe Nord (Stage ... but that's just too much money I don't have).

Just gave the pianos another listen just to confirm... Man the Numa piano sounds really great to me. I actually think I might prefer it to the Yamaha, It's not as warm as Yamaha, but it just sounds so natural and expressive. What an awesome job they did sampling here.

Piano starts at 4:03


Piano at 1:22


And if you want to compare a similar price range and featured Roland to the Yamaha:


** Ok I need to correct myself here. The high end stuff from roland (like the FA08) or other boards with supernatural, or whatever, sound real nice, but I really don't like the piano sounds in their low-to-middle range models.


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#2934451 - 06/24/18 08:49 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The Numa Compact 2x doesn't appear to be crap, serviceable organ, piano, EPs. Sonically with what's on board it isn't going to best the VR-09b in any category (YMMV).

MMV, in that I think the EPs that begin at about 6:10 in that Numa demo beat the EPs in the VR09B demo (and I felt the same about the EPs in the current NC2 vs. the original VR09, both of which I have first hand experience with). I also prefer Numa's acoustic piano.

That's another underwhelming NC2X organ demo, though. The overdrive is decidedly awful, sounds like a carryover from the NC2 and nothing like what's in the Numa Organs. Rotary effect is okay, but again, not Numa Organ 2 calibre from what I've heard so far.

There's still nothing to make me think Numa could compete with the Roland in strings/brass and such.

But you know... $700... 88 keys... aftertouch... gotta cut it some slack. And its MIDI functionality should make it easier to supplement its sounds with an iPad or whatever compared to some other boards.

Really good call on throwing the Casios into the mix, I always forget about the MZ-X. The 300 is $100 cheaper than the VR09B, and I think has way more features/capabilities overall, except for not having a VA synth section. I'm not sure how it compares sonically, but from the demo, it at least seems competitive. Roland came out with a 7x version of the VR, I'd love to see a 7x MZ-X of some sort.

MZ-X300 lags behind NC2X with just 61 keys, no aftertouch, lesser MIDI functionality, no VA synth, and a $200 higher price tag. But at least based on youtube, I think its "rompler" sounds are better and I'm not yet seeing any superiority in he NC2X's organ. The Casio has better screen/interface, pads, better speakers, the ability to pan sounds (you should be able to effectively put a Vent or other rotary/overdrive on it and still do splits and layers, unlike the Numa and Roland), much better patch recall than the others (12 banks of 8 registrations, all selectable from buttons), custom sample loading, audio and MIDI recording, and all the arranger features. Oh, and it's actually shipping. ;-)

To me, the really unique benefits of Numa (whether Compact 2 or 2X) is being a lightweight board with more than 61 keys and aftertouch. At the moment, unless I'm forgetting something, you don't get that from anything else except a Nord Stage 3 at $3600. So that's kinda huge. But if you don't need that, in every other respect, it has perfectly viable competitors that aren't too exorbitantly priced, even if they aren't quite at Numa's bargain level.
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#2934453 - 06/24/18 08:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Copacetic]
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This Is lying...

Me: ďSo I have heard that the 2x wonít be available until May.Ē

Salesman at Major Music Retailer: ďNo, it says here on my computer that we will have them in stock next Friday (March 23). If you buy it now we will ship it out and you will have it in 10-14 DaysĒ

Me: ďSounds good... here is my credit card numberĒ
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#2934478 - 06/25/18 05:02 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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If that's what his computer said (because it had never been updated with a new ETA), I still wouldn't call it a lie, which implies intent. It is very possible that the salesman thought that was accurate info at the time.
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#2935470 - 06/30/18 07:09 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Damn really wish this wasn't delayed. I'm so ready buy this thing and move on from my little korg triton.

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#2935504 - 07/01/18 08:15 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Copacetic]
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Damn really wish this wasn't delayed. I'm so ready buy this thing and move on from my little korg triton.


Sometimes I think companies show items like this that arenít close to being finished just to try to keep people from buying something else.

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#2935519 - 07/01/18 09:00 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: Copacetic
Damn really wish this wasn't delayed. I'm so ready buy this thing and move on from my little korg triton.

Sometimes I think companies show items like this that arenít close to being finished just to try to keep people from buying something else.

Yes, I think that can be part of the strategy. Companies always have a choice as to whether to announce something well before it's ready to ship or not, and they probably make that choice based on how they think the announcement will affect sales, in all respects, which includes how the announcement may effect the sales of their existing products, and also how it may impact their competition. But the further they are from shipping, the harder it is for them to predict when it will actually ship, and there are risks that come with too much lead time. If a piece has to be repeatedly delayed, besides frustrating some potential customers, you've also given your competitors knowledge of what's coming, and they may adjust marketing and product development accordingly, so you may be reducing your window of having greatest competitive advantage.
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#2935545 - 07/01/18 11:12 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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When there are repeated delays in any release my mind always goes to the negative: theyíve found a software bug, they are having production issues, etc. I think it affects the way I view the product over time. Iíve lost a bit of GAS over this keyboard, wondering whatís just over the horizon from other manufacturers.
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#2935607 - 07/01/18 05:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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When there are repeated delays in any release my mind always goes to the negative: theyíve found a software bug, they are having production issues, etc. I think it affects the way I view the product over time. Iíve lost a bit of GAS over this keyboard, wondering whatís just over the horizon from other manufacturers.


I've completely lost any GAS over this. I got rid of my Compact 2 because I was excited about the 2X. They might as well wait until the January NAMM 2019 show, if they can even get it ready by then. I think there will be other new items there that will get more attention. Studiologic has really screwed the pooch on this one.


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#2935618 - 07/01/18 06:45 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I dunno. Behringer's Model D, now that it's available, is flying off the shelves so fast that the dealers can't keep a floor model to check out. With a little luck, the 2X will still be good after the wait.
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#2935642 - 07/01/18 09:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Tom Williams]
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I'm buying the 2X mainly to use as an 88-key MIDI controller. The built-in sounds are really just icing on the cake. I'm currently using a 76-key Roland JV-90 as a controller (to control my Fantom X7), but I wanted something that I could use to with a Mac, as well.

As it turns out, I just couldn't get used to feel of a weighted-key controller (I'm not a "piano" player, so I sold the Arturia and I'm waiting on the X2. I like the fact that the X2 can be used to control both a computer and an external MIDI sound source (such as the Fantom), simultaneously.

I am really digging the organ sounds that I've heard coming from the X2 (not that I would really fiddle with drawbars in realtime). And, I'm digging the fact that it has aftertouch (I would have bought a Nektar LX88+, if it had aftertouch).

Anyway, I have an X2 on order and, based on what I've been reading, we're probably looking at early September before it ships. I'm really excited about it, though.

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#2935724 - 07/02/18 08:48 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
I'm buying the 2X mainly to use as an 88-key MIDI controller. The built-in sounds are really just icing on the cake. I'm currently using a 76-key Roland JV-90 as a controller (to control my Fantom X7), but I wanted something that I could use to with a Mac, as well.

As it turns out, I just couldn't get used to feel of a weighted-key controller (I'm not a "piano" player, so I sold the Arturia and I'm waiting on the X2. I like the fact that the X2 can be used to control both a computer and an external MIDI sound source (such as the Fantom), simultaneously.

I am really digging the organ sounds that I've heard coming from the X2 (not that I would really fiddle with drawbars in realtime). And, I'm digging the fact that it has aftertouch (I would have bought a Nektar LX88+, if it had aftertouch).

Anyway, I have an X2 on order and, based on what I've been reading, we're probably looking at early September before it ships. I'm really excited about it, though.

Wow, ditto... check the keyboards in my signature.

I'm currently using my XP-80 in our worship band as a midi controller for MainStage. I'd prefer to bring my JV-90 as it seems lighter (even though it's very similar), but the faders next to the pitch bend on the JV-90 can't be configured to send midi and the XP-80's can.

Our church supplies a 49-key controller, and I just bring my Roland when the songs need the extra keys.

I'm especially fond of the Numa's dimensions, as it looks like I'd be able to fit it in my 76-key-sized SKB case!
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#2935727 - 07/02/18 08:56 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
I'm buying the 2X mainly to use as an 88-key MIDI controller. The built-in sounds are really just icing on the cake. I'm currently using a 76-key Roland JV-90 as a controller (to control my Fantom X7), but I wanted something that I could use to with a Mac, as well.


Can I ask: what's stopping you using the JV90 with a Mac (apart from a $25 USB MIDI interface)?

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#2935827 - 07/02/18 02:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hatricklov]
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Originally Posted By: hatricklov
I'm currently using my XP-80 in our worship band as a midi controller for MainStage. I'd prefer to bring my JV-90 as it seems lighter (even though it's very similar), but the faders next to the pitch bend on the JV-90 can't be configured to send midi and the XP-80's can...

Respectfully, sir, I would encourage you to read your manual again on this matter. Although you're assumption is correct that you can't assign the volume or presence slider to transmit midi data, the JV90's C1 slider can indeed be assigned to transmit controller data internally, externally, or both. Furthermore, you can actually use the 8 parameter sliders to transmit data while in V-Exp mode; although (as far as I've learned) it would be limited to the 8 pre-assigned parameters (left of the sliders), and at that, at a very poor resolution speed, so I wouldn't recommend their use for quick/smooth filter-like fx.

Apologies for derailing this thread.

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#2935832 - 07/02/18 03:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BernMeister]
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Originally Posted By: hatricklov
I'm currently using my XP-80 in our worship band as a midi controller for MainStage. I'd prefer to bring my JV-90 as it seems lighter (even though it's very similar), but the faders next to the pitch bend on the JV-90 can't be configured to send midi and the XP-80's can...

Respectfully, sir, I would encourage you to read your manual again on this matter. Although you're assumption is correct that you can't assign the volume or presence slider to transmit midi data, the JV90's C1 slider can indeed be assigned to transmit controller data internally, externally, or both. Furthermore, you can actually use the 8 parameter sliders to transmit data while in V-Exp mode; although (as far as I've learned) it would be limited to the 8 pre-assigned parameters (left of the sliders), and at that, at a very poor resolution speed, so I wouldn't recommend their use for quick/smooth filter-like fx.

Apologies for derailing this thread.

Supposedly it's going to be awhile until we see the Numa Compact 2x, so a minor derail can't hurt, right? eek blush

You're correct, and I should clarify. Yes (I was aware), you can program C1 on the JV-90 as you explained... however for my application and preference, I wanted to map one fader to overall volume and the other to act as a mod wheel where it feels natural to me. Admittedly, I've never experimented with V-EXP mode, so I'll definitely go home and toy around with that a bit. Thanks for the info!

Carry on... wink
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#2935834 - 07/02/18 03:44 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hatricklov]
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Very cool (and a very similar situation)! Youíll have to let me know how it works out, if you get the X2 before me. like

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#2935840 - 07/02/18 04:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Hey Mike...I suppose I could use the JV-90 to control the Mac, as well (I do have a MIDI interface, actually). My long-term plan was to eventually go with a full ďvirtual instrumentsĒ rig (two 88-key controllers), but porting over all my existing samples and recreating all my patches and keyboard splits would have been too daunting a task.

Strange as it may sound, having that extra octave with the X2 is really helpful for adding another zone for sounds. And, having aftertouch is also useful (something that the JV-90 doesnít have). Having the X2 faders might come in handy, if I want to do some realtime control (not sure how helpful they will be in actually programming sounds, since they can only modify [without tweaking] 9 predefined parameters).

But, aside from the extra sounds that the X2 will provide, one of the biggest reasons to ditch the JV-90 is the ďshiny new toyĒ factor...LOL

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#2935853 - 07/02/18 06:22 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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..And, having aftertouch is also useful (something that the JV-90 doesnít have)...


Please read the first line:
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#2935875 - 07/02/18 09:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BernMeister]
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Well, I'll be darned...LOL

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#2937307 - 07/11/18 08:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Anybody want to bet that the 2X won't be available at the end of August?

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#2937388 - 07/11/18 01:22 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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I just received my 2/2X soft case yesterday (that was ordered in February). Perhaps they weren't on the same slow boat afterall?

Still on the fence whether I want a modest upgrade with the 2x or make a giant leap for a Dexibell J7.
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#2937410 - 07/11/18 04:05 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
Still on the fence whether I want a modest upgrade with the 2x or make a giant leap for a Dexibell J7.

I'm not convinced that the J7 is a giant leap. On the plus side: much better live interface, motorized drawbars, custom sample loading. Maybe better piano, I'm not sure. OTOH fewer keys, no aftertouch, no VA synth engine, and from my experience with other Numa and Dexibell models, weaker EPs. In terms of other sounds, I wouldn't assume Dexibell will beat Numa. If you don't need the 88 keys or aftertouch, I'd also look at Kurzweil Artis 7 and Roland VR730 as possible sonic and ergonomic upgrades to the Numa, for less than the J7.
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#2937420 - 07/11/18 05:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Iím interested in the Numa Compact 2X primarily as a midi controller. Do you know how it compares with the VR-730 as a controller?
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#2937422 - 07/11/18 05:52 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Al Quinn]
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The Numa should be better than the VR730 as a controller...

VR730: 1 MIDI zone, no sliders that send MIDI CC; 100 storable presets, 16 accessible through direct buttons

Numa: 2 MIDI zones, 9 sliders that send MIDI CC, plus aftertouch; 100 storable presets, but not accessible through direct buttons

Artis 7: 4 MIDI zones, 9 sliders and 6 buttons that send MIDI CC; 256 storable presets, all accessible through direct buttons

If it's not for live performance, or you have some other mechanism for patch select, then the quick accessibility of patches through direct buttons isn't such an issue.
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#2937437 - 07/11/18 07:22 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Thanks Scott. Thatís very helpful. Puzzling that Rolandís sliders donít send midi info. Thatís a show stopper for me. If I recall correctly that was the case with my JV-90 a bunch of years ago, but in 2018 ó I donít get what theyíre thinking. So, the VR-730 is out, but I will consider the Artis 7. BTW, Iím looking for a controller for live performance.
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#2937438 - 07/11/18 07:34 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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Originally Posted By: brenner13
I just received my 2/2X soft case yesterday (that was ordered in February). Perhaps they weren't on the same slow boat after all?

Still on the fence whether I want a modest upgrade with the 2x or make a giant leap for a Dexibell J7.



I also received my StudioLogic Numa 2/2x soft case over a week ago as well. Looking at the size of the case and comparing it to the other cases in my rig there is very little doubt that it will be the most portable 88 note keyboard/controller in my rig by a lot.
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#2937448 - 07/11/18 08:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Al Quinn]
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Puzzling that Rolandís sliders donít send midi info. Thatís a show stopper for me. If I recall correctly that was the case with my JV-90 a bunch of years ago, but in 2018 ó I donít get what theyíre thinking.

They do send MIDI info, but unfortunately, they send sysex instead of CCs.
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#2937455 - 07/11/18 08:52 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Numa: 2 MIDI zones, 9 sliders that send MIDI CC, plus aftertouch; 100 storable presets, but not accessible through direct buttons


If I understand it correctly there are also two split/layer zones for the internal Numa sounds, allowing you to split/layer 4 ways per program (preset).
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#2937456 - 07/11/18 09:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Numa: 2 MIDI zones, 9 sliders that send MIDI CC, plus aftertouch; 100 storable presets, but not accessible through direct buttons


If I understand it correctly there are also two split/layer zones for the internal Numa sounds, allowing you to split/layer 4 ways per program (preset).

I believe there is only a single split point available for a program; you can have two internal sounds (one on top and one on bottom), and two MIDI-triggered sounds, (one on top, one on bottom, same split point). So while it is capable of 4 sounds (2 internal and 2 external), it still has only two MIDI zones. Whether the two internal sounds count as two additional (non-MIDI) zones (as opposed to more sounds you can put into the same zones) is a matter of semantics, but they're not additional MIDI zones.
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#2937670 - 07/12/18 09:25 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2937676 - 07/12/18 10:23 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: waygetter]
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88 keys & 15 lbs? I'm so ready for this, lightweight table stand, iPhone as a sound generator, 2-oz IEMs, oh yeah!

88 keys, 15 lbs, aftertouch, MIDI sliders, battery operation, and even speakers. It hits a lot of boxes. The sounds are secondary, IMO. Based on what I've heard (including the current model), it's got some nice sounds (I like the EPs), most of it is serviceable, and I'll be pleasantly surprised if the new organ and VA synths are any great shakes. It's still a bargain, and as you said, you can supplement the sounds easily enough if you need to. A good patch selection scheme is the piece you still have to figure out. I think they missed the boat a little there by not making better use of the buttons. But I think you've got it right... the best way to see this may be as a controller, with bonus "good enough" sounds. For sounds and real-time performance ergonomics it's a compromise, but you can't have everything, especially for $699.
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#2937706 - 07/13/18 06:57 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's an interesting concept... I wonder if they had targeted $799-999 what they might have beefed up. The build, the sounds... Maybe nothing. Maybe this is just the instrument they are aiming for and intend to sell a lot of them.
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#2937714 - 07/13/18 07:36 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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And at 15 lbs, you could strap it on, go wireless, and prowl the stage like the other guys! Hell, a Les Paul is nearly 12 lbs, what's three more?
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#2937728 - 07/13/18 08:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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A little wide for that. Edgar WInter's 5'11" and the Univox 61 (plus side panel) looked almost too big for him.

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#2937730 - 07/13/18 08:25 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2937737 - 07/13/18 08:58 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hatricklov]
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The "authentic piano" was pretty much deceptive advertising, even for the time.

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#2937741 - 07/13/18 09:15 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BenWaB3]
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For the time? I don't know, what was significantly better?
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#2937753 - 07/13/18 09:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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A little wide for that. Edgar WInter's 5'11" and the Univox 61 (plus side panel) looked almost too big for him.


I didn't say it was a good idea. ;-)
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#2937759 - 07/13/18 10:10 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Numa: 2 MIDI zones, 9 sliders that send MIDI CC, plus aftertouch; 100 storable presets, but not accessible through direct buttons


If I understand it correctly there are also two split/layer zones for the internal Numa sounds, allowing you to split/layer 4 ways per program (preset).

I believe there is only a single split point available for a program; you can have two internal sounds (one on top and one on bottom), and two MIDI-triggered sounds, (one on top, one on bottom, same split point). So while it is capable of 4 sounds (2 internal and 2 external), it still has only two MIDI zones. Whether the two internal sounds count as two additional (non-MIDI) zones (as opposed to more sounds you can put into the same zones) is a matter of semantics, but they're not additional MIDI zones.


Oh, that sucks! I thought the internal zones were independent of the MIDI zones.
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#2937765 - 07/13/18 10:28 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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They are independent, but just upper/lower for each.

BTW, there is no battery compartment. It can be bus-powered via USB but tablets don't have enough juice. Not sure if one of those portable device backup chargers would do it either.
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#2937777 - 07/13/18 11:48 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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For the time? I don't know, what was significantly better?


Actually there was nothing better, but nothing worth a crap as far as authentic piano reproduction at that time. I saw White Trash live and the sound was very tinny. I just take umbrage at the term authentic in the ad.

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#2937781 - 07/13/18 12:04 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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They are independent, but just upper/lower for each.

BTW, there is no battery compartment. It can be bus-powered via USB but tablets don't have enough juice. Not sure if one of those portable device backup chargers would do it either.

Oh, right, bus powered, not battery, thanks.
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#2937800 - 07/13/18 02:44 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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It's an interesting concept... I wonder if they had targeted $799-999 what they might have beefed up. The build, the sounds... Maybe nothing. Maybe this is just the instrument they are aiming for and intend to sell a lot of them.


They can't sell any of them if they don't get them into stores.

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#2938341 - 07/18/18 12:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Numa Compact 2x owners manual is now posted and available on the Studiologic website!

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#2938385 - 07/18/18 09:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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There's also a new organ sound demo there, but it sounds very bad to my ears and do not present the overdrive...

Anyway, reading the manual, I still did not figured out where the hell the "user sounds" are saved and how do you access them after editing/saving... There's a kind of live mode, where the instrument remembers the last settings on the sounds, but not enough IMHO....
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#2938399 - 07/18/18 10:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Anyway, reading the manual, I still did not figured out where the hell the "user sounds" are saved

I believe there are 99 Program locations, period. Some or all may be pre-filled with factory sounds, but all locations are writable, they are all User locations. The fixed factory sounds are the tones you access via the category buttons. For accessing the 99 programs, from the manual: "When the focus {in the OLED window} is on the Program area, rotating the Encoder you will select the various Programs." Well, more or less. ;-)
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#2938420 - 07/18/18 01:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Looking at the manual, the synth engine seems pretty weak. In fact, it doesn't even seem like a true "synth engine" but rather the same sample-based engine with a few extra parameters controllable via sliders.

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#2938439 - 07/18/18 01:58 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: keef90]
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Looking at the manual, the synth engine seems pretty weak. In fact, it doesn't even seem like a true "synth engine" but rather the same sample-based engine with a few extra parameters controllable via sliders.

Well, you can pick waveforms, though I don't know whether they are algorithmically generated or sampled. The availability of PWM (and a supposed Sledge heritage) implies the former, but there's no reference to the expected reduced polyphony compared to the 128 polyphony of the sampled sounds, so maybe not. Probably single-oscillator, though the board lets you layer two sounds and detune them, so that helps, as long as you don't need any other split sound at the same time. There does not appear to be any monophonic mode or portamento, unfortunately. LFO seems to be sine only, with fixed routings. It may be derived from a Sledge, but it looks like about 5% of a Sledge to me.
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#2938441 - 07/18/18 02:03 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: keef90]
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I've come across 4-5 typos so far! Hopefully the release of this product isn't far behind.
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#2938595 - 07/19/18 06:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: keef90]
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Looking at the manual, the synth engine seems pretty weak. In fact, it doesn't even seem like a true "synth engine" but rather the same sample-based engine with a few extra parameters controllable via sliders.


Maybe the Compact 3 will have a more extensive synth engine.

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#2938663 - 07/20/18 07:32 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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There is a price-point demographic niche that each design must focus on. For seven hundred bones, should anyone really expect a full-fledged Sledge and a complete Numa Organ plus a decent stage piano with a smattering of peripheral ROMpler noises inside one box of 88 keys with aftertouch, and be a topnotch midi/usb controller as well?
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#2938680 - 07/20/18 09:31 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Oh, that sucks! I thought the internal zones were independent of the MIDI zones.


Iím still bummed. I was hoping to do Numa organ/piano splits while reserving upper octave real estate for an additional split of MIDI zones. I hate to sound like a broken record but I donít understand how Alesis could have keyboards in the 1990s do 16 way splits/layers, per Multi, yet not one keyboard since has accomplished it, from any manufacturer. So frustrating.
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#2938683 - 07/20/18 09:48 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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I hate to sound like a broken record but I donít understand how Alesis could have keyboards in the 1990s do 16 way splits/layers, per Multi, yet not one keyboard since has accomplished it, from any manufacturer. So frustrating.

Can you elaborate on what it is the Alesis does that is unique? Because I'm pretty sure 16-way splits/layers are available on plenty of keyboards from Kurzweil, Korg, Roland, and Yamaha.
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#2938695 - 07/20/18 11:14 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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So I realize this would have likely already been posted to this thread if anyone knew the answer, but just for grins, does anyone have a solid feel for when Studiologic is ACTUALLY going to release the 2x? Musiciansfriend.com originally estimated early Aug, but now it's been pushed back to late Sept.
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#2938721 - 07/20/18 03:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: KsRon]
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Originally Posted By: KsRon
So I realize this would have likely already been posted to this thread if anyone knew the answer, but just for grins, does anyone have a solid feel for when Studiologic is ACTUALLY going to release the 2x? Musiciansfriend.com originally estimated early Aug, but now it's been pushed back to late Sept.


I'm going with shortly after the 2019 winter NAMM.

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#2938723 - 07/20/18 03:17 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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There is a price-point demographic niche that each design must focus on. For seven hundred bones, should anyone really expect a full-fledged Sledge and a complete Numa Organ plus a decent stage piano with a smattering of peripheral ROMpler noises inside one box of 88 keys with aftertouch, and be a topnotch midi/usb controller as well?


All that doesn't matter if they can't get it to the marketplace.

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#2938724 - 07/20/18 03:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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True, but still a valid point considering all of the discussion about its features.
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#2938738 - 07/20/18 07:30 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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I hate to sound like a broken record but I donít understand how Alesis could have keyboards in the 1990s do 16 way splits/layers, per Multi, yet not one keyboard since has accomplished it, from any manufacturer. So frustrating.

Can you elaborate on what it is the Alesis does that is unique? Because I'm pretty sure 16-way splits/layers are available on plenty of keyboards from Kurzweil, Korg, Roland, and Yamaha.


I spoke inaccurately. Higher end keyboards did this, but this 1990s era software solution didnít get implemented across the board as a standard feature for cheaper ones, even in MIDI controllers. How hard would it be? Itís another MENU item. Yet so useful.
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#2938776 - 07/21/18 07:00 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hatricklov]
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True, but still a valid point considering all of the discussion about its features.


Many years ago Yamaha showed a workstation at NAMM. It sounded like it was going to be amazing. Then it disappeared. Eventually the SY-77 came out instead. Also many years ago, Korg showed the original OASYS concept keyboard at NAMM. It had to be scrapped because it was too ambitious for the technology of the time. A watered down version came to market later. I'm just saying lots of things can be SHOWN at NAMM. It happens all the time with concepts at car shows. Look up the Buick Avista and ask yourself why GM was too stupid to realize they needed to bring it to market.


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#2938780 - 07/21/18 07:19 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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#2938805 - 07/21/18 12:32 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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I spoke inaccurately. Higher end keyboards did this, but this 1990s era software solution didnít get implemented across the board as a standard feature for cheaper ones

If I understand what you want, even low-cost boards can do it these days, maybe you just haven't looked at the right ons. I'm pretty sure you can find it in these under-$1k boards: Korg Kross (and discontinued even cheaper Microstation), Roland DS, Yamaha MX (requires free downloadable editor). Though only the Korgs are adept at mixing internal and external sounds (i.e. can send user-definable Program Change messages over the 16 channels), if that's part of what you're looking for.
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#2939625 - 07/26/18 09:02 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
I spoke inaccurately. Higher end keyboards did this, but this 1990s era software solution didnít get implemented across the board as a standard feature for cheaper ones

If I understand what you want, even low-cost boards can do it these days, maybe you just haven't looked at the right ons. I'm pretty sure you can find it in these under-$1k boards: Korg Kross (and discontinued even cheaper Microstation), Roland DS, Yamaha MX (requires free downloadable editor). Though only the Korgs are adept at mixing internal and external sounds (i.e. can send user-definable Program Change messages over the 16 channels), if that's part of what you're looking for.


I just read the Roland DS88 manual, and it looks like you can do one split, not 16 splits across the keyboard.

So, which of these boards would you use as your only keyboard in a one-keyboard setup?

I suspect none of them.
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#2939694 - 07/26/18 02:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
I spoke inaccurately. Higher end keyboards did this, but this 1990s era software solution didnít get implemented across the board as a standard feature for cheaper ones

If I understand what you want, even low-cost boards can do it these days, maybe you just haven't looked at the right ons. I'm pretty sure you can find it in these under-$1k boards: Korg Kross (and discontinued even cheaper Microstation), Roland DS, Yamaha MX (requires free downloadable editor). Though only the Korgs are adept at mixing internal and external sounds (i.e. can send user-definable Program Change messages over the 16 channels), if that's part of what you're looking for.


I just read the Roland DS88 manual, and it looks like you can do one split, not 16 splits across the keyboard.

You missed it, it's called ď16-part modeĒ

Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
So, which of these boards would you use as your only keyboard in a one-keyboard setup?

I suspect none of them.


As I've discussed many times, I prefer a multi-keyboard setup. But there are times where a single board is called for, and I've got some good options. Being able to split/layer 16 sounds would not necessarily be a criteria for me, though.

I don't want to derail the NC2X thread, so I'll start a new one for "If you must gig with just one board..."
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#2940258 - 07/29/18 05:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Iím definately giving one of these a look see just as a spare, and possibly another sound source controller that takes very little space...

I think this is a fantastic idea, the C2 had a great price, but the synth and real-time Controllers plus the meat and potatoe sounds makes the C2X a great axe.

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#2940780 - 08/01/18 01:19 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Well it looks like the Dexibell S9 is going to be in stores before the Numa Compact 2X. Sweetwater is now officially a dealer and finally I know what it's going to cost. Sure it's going to be 5 1/2 times the cost, but at least you'll be able to buy one.

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#2941080 - 08/03/18 12:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Will I be the first person to receive a Numa Compact 2x ? Due to be delivered to me on the 6th August smile

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#2941086 - 08/03/18 03:05 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Noel Jay]
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Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
Will I be the first person to receive a Numa Compact 2x ? Due to be delivered to me on the 6th August smile


Please report back here on Monday if it arrives, and let us know your thoughts.

And welcome to the forum!

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#2941104 - 08/03/18 06:40 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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#2941173 - 08/03/18 11:17 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Noel Jay]
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Will I be the first person to receive a Numa Compact 2x ? Due to be delivered to me on the 6th August smile


What dealer did you order it from?
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#2941211 - 08/03/18 03:14 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: djdisbro]
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I emailed the distributor, American Music And Sound and they said MAYBE the end of September.

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#2941246 - 08/03/18 07:38 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Noel Jay]
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Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
Will I be the first person to receive a Numa Compact 2x ? Due to be delivered to me on the 6th August smile

August 6, 2019
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#2941353 - 08/04/18 03:09 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: waygetter]
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Originally Posted By: waygetter
Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
Will I be the first person to receive a Numa Compact 2x ? Due to be delivered to me on the 6th August smile

August 6, 2019


You're an optimist. smile

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#2941561 - 08/06/18 07:41 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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So, is it there yet? LOL
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#2941648 - 08/06/18 03:27 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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It has arrived...



Ordered from Germany...

Music Store - Studiologic NUMA Compact 2x

Looks like I ordered just when came available as delivery date now seems pushed out to Sep 18, 2018

Also needed one of these:



6Ft 2-Prong AC Wall Power Cable 2 Slot Cord

Instead of this:



Will explore more tonight.

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#2941679 - 08/06/18 07:46 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mjcohnmd]
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Welcome to the forum!

Please leave some of your impressions once you've had the chance to use it for a bit.
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#2941680 - 08/06/18 08:17 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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Welcome to the forum!

Please leave some of your impressions once you've had the chance to use it for a bit.


This.
And please make your images smaller. wink
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#2941691 - 08/06/18 10:04 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: davedoerfler]
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Well, not a lot of time to tinker tonight. I had very recently purchased a numa compact 2 without realizing the 2X had been announced. It seemed the European vendors were getting it first as they come from Italy, so I monitored them for availability and they came in stock late last week. 30 Euro shipping plus the approximately $200 premium (2X vs 2) didn't seem like a huge price to make the upgrade so I returned the 2 and ordered the 2X.

I really liked the 2. It was very easy to use, had great feel, and very good sounds. The 2X in theory has all the same sounds plus more sounds and customization/control of the organ and synth patches.

The organ seems clearly better and more feature filled on the 2X vs the 2. Although the organ patches on the 2 were quite good as static sounds, the drawbars, and vibrato/chorus and percussion controls on the 2X give a much more B3-like (numa organ-like) experience.

Not being much of synth expert, there will be more of a learning curve for me to assess the synth advantages.

Also, yet to be explored is apparent more featured MIDI implementation. From the typo-infested 2X manual (page 34):

Quote:
You can play a Drums & Bass groove on MIDI CH3 and 4 and record a live part on UPPER and/or LOWER, creating a 4 part arrangement of any kind. The four KEYBOARD Parts (as summarized in the MIDI IMPLEMENTATION CHART at the end of this manual) have a separate MIDI Channel each one, corresponding to the following MIDI structure:

KEYBOARD MIDI PORT
Upper= MIDI Ch1 (send and receive) Part3: MIDI Ch3 (receive only)
Lower= MIDI Ch2 (send and receive) Part 4: MIDI Ch4 (receive only)


My older brain appreciated the simplicity of the 2. It sounded great and could easily control more powerful plugins on my Mac. The organs on the 2X are clearly a step up. I'm sure over time, I will value the other improved features of the 2X.

Anyways, after a few days, I'll try to post an update.

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#2941721 - 08/07/18 06:54 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: mjcohnmd]
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Thnaks for the report so far! If you can, talk a little bit about user sounds and how one can access them once they are saved, since there's nothing on the front panel dedicated to this... That's one of the features that makes me more curious...
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#2941727 - 08/07/18 07:34 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Except for the supposedly improved organ in the Numa Compact 2x, are the other sounds (AP's, EP's clavs, strings, etc.) the same as those in the older Numa Compact 2?

Also, for those who've had hands-on experience with the Numa Compact series, are the SW keys as tightly sprung as the NE4/5d's or are they lower tension and looser / softer like a Kurz SP4-7 or Sk1/2?
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#2941730 - 08/07/18 07:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HSS]
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Also, for those who've had hands-on experience with the Numa Compact series, are the SW keys as tightly sprung as the NE4/5d's or are they lower tension and looser / softer like a Kurz SP4-7 or Sk1/2?

I'd say heavier feeling than an SP4-7, lighter than SK1, and much lighter than Nord.
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#2941738 - 08/07/18 08:19 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Hmmm.... That's interesting because I'm able to play AP licks better on both the Kurz SP4-7's and Sk1's action than on the more tightly-sprung NE5D's action.

If the Numa Compact 2X's B3 sound is better than the Kurz SP4-7's, I may consider unloading my Nord 5D 73, as well as my Kurz SP4-7, and buying it as an all-in-one superlight-weight portable board. I would have a bunch of left-over cash to buy some other gear as well. Of course this scenario assumes that the Compact 2X's AP's, EP's, and clavs are gig worthy (hopefully as good as the SP4-7's) and sound good in mono.

If I need a top notch B3 sound, I still have my 15 lb. Hammond Sk1 61. I have three fully-weighted 88's I can use for piano when required.

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#2941758 - 08/07/18 09:26 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Thnaks for the report so far! If you can, talk a little bit about user sounds and how one can access them once they are saved, since there's nothing on the front panel dedicated to this... That's one of the features that makes me more curious...


+1 on this - would love to hear how the patch selection process works in live usage

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#2941774 - 08/07/18 10:22 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: roygBiv]
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#2941779 - 08/07/18 10:49 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: roygBiv]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Thnaks for the report so far! If you can, talk a little bit about user sounds and how one can access them once they are saved, since there's nothing on the front panel dedicated to this... That's one of the features that makes me more curious...


+1 on this - would love to hear how the patch selection process works in live usage

Based on the Numa Compact 2 (and as I mentioned earlier), you store your user sounds into the 99 Program locations (some of which are pre-filled with factory sample programs, but can all be over-written). You recall them by scrolling through the list on the display, using the knob to the right of the display.
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#2941834 - 08/07/18 02:25 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Just got the word got early November on these.
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#2941892 - 08/07/18 08:29 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Originally Posted By: hardware
Just got the word got early November on these.


... of 2019
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#2941900 - 08/07/18 09:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Just got the word got early November on these.


... of 2019
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#2941904 - 08/07/18 09:42 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Just got the word got early November on these.


... of 2019


Gives me plenty of demos from Europe to check out.

One thing I still donít understand from ROMpler manufacturers.
Where are the damn Horn Sections.
Itís really the only reason I still use rackmounted PCs.

Well the Disco Strings too.
But all of the Orchestral stuff I have I rarely use.

The 2X would be perfect if they came out with sections that have swells sustain, and falls.
Really helps with pop covers.
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#2942348 - 08/10/18 09:41 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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So... how is it going so far?
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#2942618 - 08/12/18 12:48 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Ok, my Numa C2x arrived eventually, well itís no RD300NX ( my usual piano ) and I also have a VR-09....to be honest the NC2X is pretty basic compared to the VR-09, the effects are just ok, the overdrive is useless, there is no real editing for the effects apart from mix level, the stereo pan on the VR-09 is fantastic, not so on the NC2X
There is no facility to adjust the ĎRotaryí section ie. upper and lower rotor speeds and levels, your stuck with what youíre given, no leakage levels although there is key click level control, The organ is acceptable, once again no wow factor, also, as in a lot of Clonewheels the reverb is not affected by the Rotary effect...which is totally unrealistic as on a really Leslie the reverb decays as the rotors spin...on the NC2X the reverb comes out straight...the only was to get close to the real sound is to use external reverb..the VR-09 suffers from the same fault.
There is only one Rhodes piano which is just ok, adjusting reverb, effects and touch velocity improved it a bit...bit disappointing, it really needs more Rhodes samples..
The default Acoustic Piano is not to my liking, I settled for the ĎVintageí piano which sounds pretty authentic, I used that sound on its first gig and the sax player remarked how good it sounded.
The aftertouch only adds Ďvibratoí to the sound only ! No filter, pitchbend etc on aftertouch...
There is noticeable ĎAliasingí on some sounds, in comparison to the high quality sounds on my 11 year old Yamaha PSR S900 the NC2X is definitely reflective of its low price!
Itís early days as Iíve only had it a week...itís ok, the key feel is firm and pleasant but I missed the hammer action on my RD300NX, but I bought it for the reduced weight and size for easier gigging.
There are a few things the NC2X can do that the VR-09 canít..Like having two sounds playing but with different effects...I had organ and strings together and the rotary working on the organ only, creating a huge impressive organ / orchestra patch...good for Pink Floyd stuff....
Iíve not really got into the synth section as itís not my bread and butter sounds being a predominantly jazz based musician.
Regards to all.....


Edited by Noel Jay (08/12/18 11:30 AM)

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#2942634 - 08/12/18 05:28 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Noel Jay]
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the overdrive is useless

That's what I was afraid of.

Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
as in a lot of Clonewheels the reverb is not affected by the Rotary effect...which is totally unrealistic as on a really Leslie the reverb decays as the rotors spin...on the NC2X the reverb comes out straight...the only was to get close to the real sound is to use external reverb..the VR-09 suffers from the same fault.

Are you talking about whether the reverb occurs before or after the rotary effect? There are arguments for both, depending on whether you're trying to duplicate the sound of a Hammond with a built-in spring reverb going into a Leslie, or the sound of a Leslie in a given sized room (or mic'd up in a studio and processed through a reverb unit).

Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
There is only one Rhodes piano which is just ok, adjusting reverb, effects and touch velocity improved it a bit...bit disappointing, it really needs more Rhodes samples..

Roland does provide a wide variety of Rhodes sounds, but from what I recall, I like Numa's one Rhodes better than any of Roland's. Though it benefits from rolling back the treble, and unfortunately there's no way to save EQ settings on the Numa.

Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
The aftertouch only adds Ďvibratoí to the sound only ! No filter, pitchbend etc on aftertouch...

I'll give them that one, as the board is low-cost and in many ways minimal, and vibrato is AT's most common us... I'm glad to see AT at all on any low-cost and/or lightweight boards. You can always have it do other things in the context of using it as a MIDI controller, i.e. triggering a synth in your iPhone/iPad.

Originally Posted By: Noel Jay
There are a few things the NC2X can do that the VR-09 canít..Like having two sounds playing but with different effects...

Yes. That, the 88 keys, the aftertouch, the ability to have the 9 sliders send out MIDI CC, a few more real-time synth controls, and built-in speakers are clear advantages over the VR09, and I think a lot of people will prefer the Numa's action. Also, I think scrolling through your sounds with the small wheel is a lot better than the Roland's big wheel (plus you can call up your saved sounds via MIDI to avoid a lot of that scrolling completely). OTOH, Roland has a wider variety of sounds available, a full editable synth section (via iPad app), the rhythm section, and buttons for quicker recall of 4-banks-of-4 registrations, which isn't a lot, but is better than none. And as you point out, in many cases, the Roland may just sound better.
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#2942851 - 08/13/18 10:11 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Thanks for the report, Noel. Glad to hear you found a usable piano.

Minuses: I often use aftertouch to control filter frequency. I like a touch of overdrive on B3. Sounds like I'd be out of luck on those.

Would love to hear more about the synth section and to what extent it's programmable.

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#2942864 - 08/13/18 10:53 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Meta]
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Would love to hear more about the B3 emulation, some more in depth reports or recordings, if you can. And about live usage, managing sounds, splits, those things.
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#2943059 - 08/14/18 07:26 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Would love to hear more about the B3 emulation, some more in depth reports or recordings, if you can. And about live usage, managing sounds, splits, those things.

The B3 stuff is new, but the rest should all be the same as the existing Numa Compact 2.
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#2943063 - 08/14/18 07:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Would love to hear more about the B3 emulation, some more in depth reports or recordings, if you can. And about live usage, managing sounds, splits, those things.

The B3 stuff is new, but the rest should all be the same as the existing Numa Compact 2.


Yes, I'm aware of that... I was asking more about how he is managing those limitations, his personal experience. smile
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#2943129 - 08/14/18 10:59 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Just wondering if anyone in the U.S. has actually received the NC2X, yet? (I read about one user ordering his from a German retailer, rather than waiting)

Iíve had mine on pre-order from a U.S. retailer since mid-June, and they are now telling me ďearly SeptemberĒ. Iím wondering if they are starting to trickle in.

Thanks!

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#2943538 - 08/16/18 01:06 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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The lack of new videos or demos is a very intriguing thing to me, considering that it's already "out", or sort of... smirk
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#2943810 - 08/18/18 07:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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I pre ordered.
I suggest to anyone buying to read the manual and start programming parts in your head.
This way you can get to work when the unit arrives.
You get 30 days to return the unit.

Iím particularly concerned with load times.
Iím hoping to shelve my K4 and XITE-1/1U PC.
Those are fantastic pieces of kit but Iím only doing 100 seat gigs and prefer a new, small live rig.
I will be dragging around my HX-3, SE-02s and possibly Code 8 OD.

5 seconds to load a sound is what I read in the manual.
If thatís the case that Dog wonít hunt.
Terrible for live performance.

At least theyíre being honest.
But that is something I think live players wish to avoid.
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#2944005 - 08/19/18 03:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Regarding the 5 seconds, the way I read it, it meant the display changed temporarily for 5s to show the list of sounds, not that it took 5s to change sound...?? just guessing though!

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#2944028 - 08/19/18 08:49 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: StirlingBob]
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Originally Posted By: StirlingBob
Regarding the 5 seconds, the way I read it, it meant the display changed temporarily for 5s to show the list of sounds, not that it took 5s to change sound...?? just guessing though!


Thatís a relief. Guess weíll see.
Iím reading the manual everyday.
My wish is to control the 2X via MIDI or USB with my Physis K4.
Would love to see this get bigger memory upgrades or at least some section sounds.
I could easily stop using PCs for live work and go with racked analogs and a pair of K8.2s or TT08As depending on volume needed.
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#2944045 - 08/19/18 11:51 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Originally Posted By: hardware
Originally Posted By: StirlingBob
Regarding the 5 seconds, the way I read it, it meant the display changed temporarily for 5s to show the list of sounds, not that it took 5s to change sound...?? just guessing though!


Thatís a relief. Guess weíll see.
Iím reading the manual everyday.
My wish is to control the 2X via MIDI or USB with my Physis K4.
Would love to see this get bigger memory upgrades or at least some section sounds.
I could easily stop using PCs for live work and go with racked analogs and a pair of K8.2s or TT08As depending on volume needed.


I was specifically told by a StudioLogic rep at NAMM that the NumaCompact 2x would have user-replaceable sounds in the 1 GB of on-board Flash memory at some point in the future, although the exact details were not available back then yet. He implied that the sounds would most likely come from a Studiologic app download, and would also likely be in a proprietary format, but again, I guess that this is still too early for details, especially since plans sometimes "evolve" (e.g. change).
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#2944046 - 08/19/18 11:59 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
Just wondering if anyone in the U.S. has actually received the NC2X, yet? (I read about one user ordering his from a German retailer, rather than waiting)

Iíve had mine on pre-order from a U.S. retailer since mid-June, and they are now telling me ďearly SeptemberĒ. Iím wondering if they are starting to trickle in.

Thanks!


Mine has been on pre-order status since early February, and so to my knowledge no U.S. destined units have arrived yet, although the distributer would be in the best position to answer that question. I do think that, for warranty purposes if nothing else, that it is smarter to get your unit from a U.S. authorized supplier, rather than "jump the gun" and try to import your own unit.
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#2944070 - 08/20/18 05:27 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I will probably get one, but have no need to do without first hearing from a number of people who are already living with theirs.
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#2944123 - 08/20/18 10:38 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I just got an email from Sweetwater saying the ETA is October 5th., not that I'm going to bet the farm that this date will stand.

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#2944133 - 08/20/18 12:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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I just checked, and two online stores show availability as 9/29 and one shows as 10/6. For a device that was slated to be available in April, itís taking quite a while (I wonder what the holdup is).

I wouldnít be surprised if gets pushed back to November

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#2944134 - 08/20/18 12:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: BenWaB3]
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I just got an email from Sweetwater saying the ETA is October 5th., not that I'm going to bet the farm that this date will stand.


Sweetwater is optimistic.

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#2944157 - 08/20/18 02:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Bobby Simons]
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If it sounds weak, Iíll still like it for accepting extra splits via MIDI from my K4 and adding additional CCs via sliders.
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#2944175 - 08/20/18 04:57 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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I just checked, and two online stores show availability as 9/29 and one shows as 10/6. For a device that was slated to be available in April, itís taking quite a while (I wonder what the holdup is).

I wouldnít be surprised if gets pushed back to November


I'm guessing they are having some serious quality control issues, probably from parts suppliers.

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#2944461 - 08/22/18 11:09 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
I just checked, and two online stores show availability as 9/29 and one shows as 10/6. For a device that was slated to be available in April, itís taking quite a while (I wonder what the holdup is).

I wouldnít be surprised if gets pushed back to November


I'm guessing they are having some serious quality control issues, probably from parts suppliers.


I don't see how that's the case, considering that mcjohnmd already has his... Would love to hear/read more about his experience, though...
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#2944537 - 08/23/18 04:21 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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So I'm not the best when it comes to technical stuff. Am I right in saying this scenario is possible:

Software Rig: Laptop w/ mainstage, Numa Compact 2X.

Laptop > USB port on Numa Compact 2X > Stereo Out > DI box.

USB port on the Numa sends MIDI to the compact and receives the audio, negating the need for an interface? Is this correct? Can the audio/USB be used at the same time as MIDI over USB?


Edited by Nadroj (08/23/18 04:27 AM)
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#2944683 - 08/23/18 03:54 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Nadroj]
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The USB does midi and audio, both ways, simultaneously on my Compact 2. Love it.
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#2944701 - 08/23/18 06:41 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Originally Posted By: goatghost
I just checked, and two online stores show availability as 9/29 and one shows as 10/6. For a device that was slated to be available in April, itís taking quite a while (I wonder what the holdup is).

I wouldnít be surprised if gets pushed back to November


I'm guessing they are having some serious quality control issues, probably from parts suppliers.


I don't see how that's the case, considering that mcjohnmd already has his... Would love to hear/read more about his experience, though...


They could be having QC issues with getting a high quantity of parts that work. Otherwise, why isnít this available everywhere instead of one place?

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#2944741 - 08/24/18 06:04 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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[Otherwise, why isnít this available everywhere instead of one place?

If there are advance orders for xxxx units and you can only produce xx a day, it will take some time before the channels start to fill. And then different countries can start seeing them at different rates based on things like regulatory approvals, shipping times, customs...
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#2944747 - 08/24/18 06:45 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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This sounds like the biggest vaporware scam in keyboard history.... I jumped ship in April.
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#2944770 - 08/24/18 08:04 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: HammondDave]
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Seems like a poor decision to announce their product when it's not near enough to shipping. Studiologic/Fatar should have held out until summer NAMM to announce rather than last winter.

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#2944787 - 08/24/18 09:00 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: tfort]
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Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they didn't announce it until now, you'd have some people saying, "geez, I just bought a Numa Compact 2, and had I known this was coming, I'd have waited for this one." Though they did underestimate how much more time they would need to get it shippable.
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#2944970 - 08/25/18 07:01 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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[Otherwise, why isnít this available everywhere instead of one place?

If there are advance orders for xxxx units and you can only produce xx a day, it will take some time before the channels start to fill. And then different countries can start seeing them at different rates based on things like regulatory approvals, shipping times, customs...


Ok but for this long? No. They said in one of the YouTube videos that it was scheduled to be out in April. That was well AFTER it was announced at January 2018 NAMM. If itís the issues like you say, they should have been aware of those things, before they said April.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If they didn't announce it until now, you'd have some people saying, "geez, I just bought a Numa Compact 2, and had I known this was coming, I'd have waited for this one." Though they did underestimate how much more time they would need to get it shippable.


Again, they said April. And they have kept pushing it back. Is that to keep people from buying something else? Or is it they just are having serious problems? I think itís possible that there will be a big price hike because they realized they canít pull it off at that price. Just how far ahead is it okay for a company to announce a product? One year? Two?


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#2944996 - 08/25/18 08:59 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
[Otherwise, why isnít this available everywhere instead of one place?

If there are advance orders for xxxx units and you can only produce xx a day, it will take some time before the channels start to fill. And then different countries can start seeing them at different rates based on things like regulatory approvals, shipping times, customs...


Ok but for this long? No. They said in one of the YouTube videos that it was scheduled to be out in April. That was well AFTER it was announced at January 2018 NAMM. If itís the issues like you say, they should have been aware of those things, before they said April.

You changed the question. Your question was essentially, if it's available in so few places, what else could it be besides quality control problems? So I gave you other possible answers.

The question of why it is becoming available in August when they initially projected it would become available in April is an entirely different question. It could be that it took them longer than expected to get the software to be sufficiently non-buggy. It is simply difficult to predict when software will be done. Apple and Microsoft used to be notorious for missing expected release dates by quite a bit. They've gotten better, I think largely because the internet means they can release something that isn't quite right and get patches out as needed, a luxury they didn't really have in the 80s and 90s.

Of course there could be other reasons for the overly optimistic NC2X projection as well, which, sure, could involve hardware fabrication/manufacturing issues as well.
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#2945056 - 08/25/18 05:05 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
[quote=Radagast][Otherwise, why isnít this available everywhere instead of one place?

If there are advance orders for xxxx units and you can only produce xx a day, it will take some time before the channels start to fill. And then different countries can start seeing them at different rates based on things like regulatory approvals, shipping times, customs...


Ok but for this long? No. They said in one of the YouTube videos that it was scheduled to be out in April. That was well AFTER it was announced at January 2018 NAMM. If itís the issues like you say, they should have been aware of those things, before they said April.

You changed the question. Your question was essentially, if it's available in so few places, what else could it be besides quality control problems? So I gave you other possible answers.

The question of why it is becoming available in August when they initially projected it would become available in April is an entirely different question. It could be that it took them longer than expected to get the software to be sufficiently non-buggy. It is simply difficult to predict when software will be done. Apple and Microsoft used to be notorious for missing expected release dates by quite a bit. They've gotten better, I think largely because the internet means they can release something that isn't quite right and get patches out as needed, a luxury they didn't really have in the 80s and 90s.

Of course there could be other reasons for the overly optimistic NC2X projection as well, which, sure, could involve hardware fabrication/manufacturing issues as well. [/quote]

Itís not April, itís October. And your answer makes no sense. If the problem is buggy software then the few units they are releasing, would be buggy as well. If the software is good in the units that have been sold, then it could be good in all of them.


Edited by Radagast (08/25/18 05:07 PM)

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#2945063 - 08/25/18 05:51 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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And your answer makes no sense. If the problem is buggy software then the few units they are releasing, would be buggy as well. If the software is good in the units that have been sold, then it could be good in all of them.

We are not communicating well, and I don't have time to try to clarify, so never mind.
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#2946158 - 09/01/18 11:37 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Just wondering, for anyone who actually has the NC2X...

When editing a "synth" patch, do the sliders start at zero when they are closest to you? (like most synth sliders)

Or, do they start at zero when they are farthest away from you? (like organ drawbars)

I'm new to the whole organ drawbar thing (I'm more into synths), so I'm really excited to mess with those features.

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#2946220 - 09/02/18 05:15 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
Just wondering, for anyone who actually has the NC2X...

When editing a "synth" patch, do the sliders start at zero when they are closest to you? (like most synth sliders)

Or, do they start at zero when they are farthest away from you? (like organ drawbars)

I'm new to the whole organ drawbar thing (I'm more into synths), so I'm really excited to mess with those features.


At the present time I think only one forum member has received a unit.

I checked the manual for you, but it didn't specify the directionality of the sliders explicitly.

I would have a very hard time imagining that any established synthesizer maker would make the zero point at the top of the slider throw like organ drawbars. Every single other analog or virtual analog synthesizer I have ever seen puts the 0 at the bottom of the throw.
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#2946231 - 09/02/18 07:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Dr88s]
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New 2x video by Chris Martirano for Full Compass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJnURUWSa0o

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#2946234 - 09/02/18 07:59 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: jaddne]
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Without a doubt StudioLogic was listening to player input in this design. How that equates to playing what they built - canít wait for it to get into some KC hands.
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#2946274 - 09/02/18 04:36 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: jaddne]
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New 2x video by Chris Martirano for Full Compass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJnURUWSa0o


Best demo yet, but unfortunately the audio is quite distorted. Still waiting to see if the synth sounds can be played monophonically.

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#2946284 - 09/02/18 07:08 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: keef90]
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There is no mono mode on the 2. However it is still a great controller of mono sounds of external gear and software. Would great if the 2X does mono...not counting on it, though.
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#2946427 - 09/03/18 06:47 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Radagast]
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Itís not April, itís October. And your answer makes no sense. If the problem is buggy software then the few units they are releasing, would be buggy as well. If the software is good in the units that have been sold, then it could be good in all of them.

You're mixing up answers to two different situations. Taking more time to complete the software was suggested as possible explanation for why it didn't start shipping until August (after they first said they expected it to ship sooner). That was not offered as a reason for why they started shipping in August yet they are still so hard to come by, which was your original concern. I never suggested that the ones they shipped in August were buggy. I had different thoughts about why they're still hard to find, as explained in posts #2944741 and #2944996 within the last page or so. Nothing to do with buggy software.
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#2946504 - 09/04/18 08:19 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Does anybody know if this keyboard has a built-in or add-on music stand?
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#2946527 - 09/04/18 10:08 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: smanzella]
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Iím going to read the manual for MIDI.

Iím learning if thereís any omissions that correlates to ďNo.Ē
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#2946616 - 09/04/18 06:15 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Thanks for your reply, Dr88s. :-)

Well, I see that a major retailer in England has 3 in stock. But, I'm not that desperate to plunck down $808.50 (including Value Added Tax), plus shipping costs and duties...especially if it might be hitting U.S. stores in late September/early October.

I just wish we had some firm, reliable information, directly from Studiologic.

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#2946725 - 09/05/18 02:11 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: jaddne]
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New 2x video by Chris Martirano for Full Compass:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJnURUWSa0o


Very thin sounding organ on this video, huh? Would love to see the tonewheel model more explored to a rock/blues context instead of the same old Jimmy Smith sound that it appears on most videos... But the synths are sounding great there.
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#2946741 - 09/05/18 04:01 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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Would love to see the tonewheel model more explored to a rock/blues context instead of the same old Jimmy Smith sound that it appears on most videos...

I suspect we're not seeing that because that's when overdrive becomes important, which is probably a weakness here.
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#2946742 - 09/05/18 04:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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I suspect we're not seeing this instrument yet because every time someone comes out with something, news gets around so fast the nay-saying and "one more thing" wish list takes them back to at least square 3.
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#2946774 - 09/05/18 07:52 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: drawback]
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For those who have the NC2, how do you like the pitch/mod substitutes? Are they easy to get used to? Accurate?
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#2946801 - 09/06/18 06:09 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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again... glad I didnít wait.
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#2946888 - 09/06/18 01:12 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Originally Posted By: Synthaholic
For those who have the NC2, how do you like the pitch/mod substitutes? Are they easy to get used to? Accurate?


Honestly, they are small and touchy and a bit low res imho. Takes while to get used to, but they're workable and I'm glad they are there.

The pitch stick is little weird that conflicting up/down messages are sent when moving it both down and to the right or up and to the left. Ya have to be careful and conform to strict perpendicular movement; one or the other. Sprung to center from all directions.

The mod stick is free left to right for additive vibrato and Rotary off/on, but unfortunately sprung to center vertically. A bummer as that mostly controls the filter sweep. It sure would be nice to bump it a bit to brighten a pad and let go to play with both hands. Perhaps I'll open it up one of these days to see if I can mod it and remove the spring. The 2X provides a fader for this. I'm still on the fence if I'll upgrade.
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#2947144 - 09/07/18 11:18 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: brenner13]
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#2947161 - 09/08/18 06:33 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: To B3
Would love to see the tonewheel model more explored to a rock/blues context instead of the same old Jimmy Smith sound that it appears on most videos...

I suspect we're not seeing that because that's when overdrive becomes important, which is probably a weakness here.


Iím learning this too.
Manuals and demos leaving out sounds and critical (to me at least) MIDI Info do this for a reason.
OTOH I really like the Jimmy Smith Type Sound becaus the HX-3 is basically a Dirty Tonewheel emulation. Go to no rotary and full dirt, or just half dirt Boston/Uriah Heep dirt.

Iím still tossing around the idea of this cheap little doobie.
Iíd love to give my K4 a rest. But I need 4 zones at least.
I could use a Piano and split/switch 3 other zones and be fine.
But the internal sounds have to be good enough to use 2 of them for every new performance.

Recently bought the Dexibell SX7 Module.
Iím so close to getting away from racked PCs it only takes something like the Compact 2X to swing me over.

Fingers crossed.
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#2947164 - 09/08/18 06:52 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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How's the SX7?

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#2947172 - 09/08/18 07:42 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Iím still tossing around the idea of this cheap little doobie.
Iíd love to give my K4 a rest. But I need 4 zones at least.
I could use a Piano and split/switch 3 other zones and be fine.
But the internal sounds have to be good enough to use 2 of them for every new performance.
Kuzweil SP6? (cheapest 88-key board with clonewheel and 4 zones)


Edited by AnotherScott (09/08/18 07:45 AM)
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#2947224 - 09/08/18 01:33 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: hardware]
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Originally Posted By: hardware

Iíd love to give my K4 a rest. But I need 4 zones at least.


I also need 4 zones, at least. Iím trying to figure out if the Midi Solutions Router will do the trick.

You can download the control software to explore options without needing it connected to the device.

http://www.midisolutions.com/progtool.htm
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#2947364 - 09/09/18 10:21 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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I bought a MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus ($149) a few months ago for this very purpose. Supposedly, this is THE device to do external zoning (i.e. to external devices, via 5-pin MIDI).

It does all sorts of other tricks, as well, but my main plan is to chop up my NC2X, so that I can output 4-7 zones, each on a separate MIDI channel. grin

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#2947516 - 09/10/18 06:26 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Originally Posted By: goatghost
I bought a MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus ($149) a few months ago for this very purpose. Supposedly, this is THE device to do external zoning (i.e. to external devices, via 5-pin MIDI).

It does all sorts of other tricks, as well, but my main plan is to chop up my NC2X, so that I can output 4-7 zones, each on a separate MIDI channel. grin


Now, I was talking about the Router. Does the Event Processor Plus also do Splits/Zones? Which is the more capable device?
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#2947529 - 09/10/18 08:09 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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It appears that you are correct! I guess I had misread the capabilities of the MIDI Event Processor Plus. The Router is ideal for setting up zones.

While the Event Processor Plus does some really cool things, zoning doesn't appear to be it's strength. I guess I'll need to sell mine on eBay...LOL

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#2947535 - 09/10/18 08:40 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: goatghost]
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Sipario advanced midi router.
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#2947556 - 09/11/18 03:15 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Good call on the Sipario. I'm very tempted by that product, although I don't have a particular need. It just feels like a useful tool to have in the box.

Cheers, Mike.
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#2947570 - 09/11/18 06:24 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Sipario - >$300. How about $6.99? - https://www.midiflow.com (you'll need your iPhone or iPad and an iOS midi interface). I just looked at it for a few seconds but it seems to have some decent midi processing features.

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#2947853 - 09/12/18 10:47 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Reezekeys]
goatghost Offline
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So, I contacted my U.S.-based online retailer and they told me that they were told by Studiologic that my order should be in on October 5th. We shall see.

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#2947904 - 09/12/18 01:20 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Sipario - >$300. How about $6.99? - https://www.midiflow.com (you'll need your iPhone or iPad and an iOS midi interface). I just looked at it for a few seconds but it seems to have some decent midi processing features.


Good point Rob. But that $6.99 excludes the phone or tablet - and I'm always afraid that if I use my "main" iThing for something like Midiflow, an OS update will break it, and/or they'll decide to stop developing it. At least the Sipario will still work even if the manufacturer goes bankrupt.

The alternative is to not update IOS at all. I would not recommend doing this on your "main" device, but rather dedicate an iThing to Midiflow - without updating. But then the cost of the device should be added to the $6.99 for the app.

On a software rig like yours, of course, the controller's zoning abilities are irrelevant.

Cheers, Mike.
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#2948567 - 09/16/18 02:20 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: To B3]
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FWIW, my delivery date from gear4music (UK) has just jumped from the original 20/9 to 25/9 (which, to be fair, was the last date of the estimated date range when I placed the order on 11/9).

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#2948595 - 09/16/18 09:53 AM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
Good point Rob. But that $6.99 excludes the phone or tablet -



IPad Pro is $120 off at Costco this month. grin


Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Sipario - >$300. How about $6.99? - https://www.midiflow.com (you'll need your iPhone or iPad and an iOS midi interface). I just looked at it for a few seconds but it seems to have some decent midi processing features.


Thanks for this. A lot of power for $7 bucks.


Edited by Synthaholic (09/16/18 09:59 AM)
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#2949481 - 09/21/18 03:21 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: Synthaholic]
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Edited by JeebsFat (09/21/18 03:22 PM)

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#2949487 - 09/21/18 04:30 PM Re: Studiologic Numa Compact 2x [Re: JeebsFat]
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Glad this guy used the synth.
Iím familiar with the Sledge sound and itís nothing special, just waveforms, mushy envelopes and mediocre filter, but if itís all there is, you can make it happen.
But boy did it overwhelm the body and presence of the samples.
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