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#2906471 - 02/01/18 06:51 PM Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options?
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I'm having trouble settling on an amp. The priority is a convincing Grand Piano, and somewhat portable. I tried the QSC K8.2, but it sounded really harsh and brittle in the top end.

I have no way to try out the Amps that top my list: Hammond LS2012, SpaceStation V.3, used Traynor K1. My max budget is $1000, but less would be good. I'm open to other PA options as well, though I'm reluctant after the QSC's bombed. Yes, my ears are fussy.
I was underwhelmed by the roland 550 (also too heavy). I haven't tried all the Roland models yet, or the Behringers.
There's tons of info out there on the SpaceStation, though I haven't heard it critiqued for Acoustic Piano. Almost nothing out there on the Hammond LS2012 or K1.

I'm using a Yamaha MOXF6 keyboard.

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#2906474 - 02/01/18 07:09 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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I owned the larger K4. Flexible inputs and sounded fine on organ or EP. However, it had a midrange coloring on AP that I could never correct.
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#2906486 - 02/01/18 08:25 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Originally Posted By: Struckers
I'm having trouble settling on an amp. The priority is a convincing Grand Piano, and somewhat portable.

This isn't discussed much around here. wink

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#2906491 - 02/01/18 08:42 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Originally Posted By: Struckers

There's tons of info out there on the SpaceStation, though I haven't heard it critiqued for Acoustic Piano.


then you haven't even looked at the SpaceStation thread. snax
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#2906494 - 02/01/18 08:56 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: davedoerfler]
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You mean I haven't read all 189 pages of that thread? Fair enough, I will continue to work at it, but that's a multi-day project.

Here's the deceptively titled thread that actually addresses the topic of V3 on acoustic piano: http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2652798/CPS_Spacestation_V3_tweak_the_


Edited by Struckers (02/01/18 09:14 PM)

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#2906495 - 02/01/18 09:16 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Is the Traynor still available? A quick search indicates not. I had a K1 several years ago and found it to be a great stage monitor.

I recently got an Alto Kick12, which was being blown out by GC at something like $173. I was unfamiliar with Alto but at that price took a chance. It's a good-sounding keyboard amp. though by no means does it sound like 400W, it's loud enough to be a stage monitor, which is all I was looking for, and it's only 30 lbs.

Like a lot of keyboard players, I think of keyboard amps as a convenient way to mix and monitor on stage but not to project sound to the house.
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#2906496 - 02/01/18 09:25 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Adan]
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I have found a used Traynor K1 available for $300. Whatever I get needs to be loud enough for band rehearsals with a drummer of average vigor. I'm curious about the Alto amps, but I haven't seen any available. I've played guitar in bands, but this is my first foray into amplified keys.

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#2906497 - 02/01/18 09:43 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Originally Posted By: Struckers
I have found a used Traynor K1 available for $300. Whatever I get needs to be loud enough for band rehearsals with a drummer of average vigor.


My K1 handled that well enough.
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#2906498 - 02/01/18 09:53 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Originally Posted By: Struckers
Here's the deceptively titled thread that actually addresses the topic of V3 on acoustic piano:


twothumbs cheers

FWIW, I own a CPS SS3. I run my Yamaha CP 4 through it. I live with it as far as AP goes. Sounds great using other sounds. Your ears are probably better than mine though. Best of luck with your search.
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#2906504 - 02/01/18 11:55 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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Originally Posted By: Struckers
I'm having trouble settling on an amp. The priority is a convincing Grand Piano, and somewhat portable. I tried the QSC K8.2, but it sounded really harsh and brittle in the top end.

I have no way to try out the Amps that top my list: Hammond LS2012, SpaceStation V.3, used Traynor K1. My max budget is $1000, but less would be good. I'm open to other PA options as well, though I'm reluctant after the QSC's bombed. Yes, my ears are fussy.
I was underwhelmed by the roland 550 (also too heavy). I haven't tried all the Roland models yet, or the Behringers.
There's tons of info out there on the SpaceStation, though I haven't heard it critiqued for Acoustic Piano. Almost nothing out there on the Hammond LS2012 or K1.

I'm using a Yamaha MOXF6 keyboard.


I've noticed that some keyboards have inherently bright APs, including the MOXF6. Maybe they do this so APs cut through, maybe because they expect you'll play it through mediocre amplification. I can't tell you for sure. But it does make coming up with a convincing AP sound more difficult.

If you go check out the response curve for the K8.2, you'll notice it's pretty flat across the board. If that sounds too bright for you, that most likely is a function of the signal you're feeding through it, or perhaps your personal listening preferences.

Best of luck!
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#2914645 - 03/13/18 07:34 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: cphollis]
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Has anybody ever tested or heard the Leslie LS2012?
Anybody work at a store that sells them that could comment about how they compare to other keyboard amps?
I find it odd that there is almost nothing online about this Amp.
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#2914667 - 03/13/18 09:12 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: tonybanksfan]
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I've given up on keyboard amps. I will only go stereo because of today's samples; summing to mono loses a lot of fidelity and also osc cancellation. I've gone the powered speaker and mixer route. Balancing weight and cost, I use two Mackie Thump 12"'s with a Mackie ProFX12. The EQ on the mixer helps boost frequencies lost in the venue. I really just use them as monitors and send a mono signal to the house.

I was always intrigued by the Motion Sound Stereo amps, but they are costly and heavy. They also don't seem to be very popular so thus I have not pursued them.

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#2914671 - 03/13/18 09:21 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: kbrkr]
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I concur with the K8.2 shrillness. The 10.2's are much more balanced, imho.
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#2914676 - 03/13/18 09:53 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: brenner13]
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Also gave up on keyboard amps: 2 Yamaha DBR10's for me.

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#2914688 - 03/13/18 11:37 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: p19978]
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#2914716 - 03/13/18 01:49 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: mate stubb]
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Most gigs I now use IEMs, but I did get a chance to use our band's K10.2s at a practice.

Wow. For once, the piano sound was clear without any harshness or distortion. I've had a few cheapie powered speakers and a few amps through the years, and while synths can sound good through them--I used to run my JX-10 through a Peavey KB300, and could stun large farm animals at 50 paces, it was glorious!--piano has always been the weak spot.

If I didn't use IEMs for all the gigs where we use our PA, I'd strongly consider a 10.2. Yamaha powered speakers (forget which) I've heard good things about as well.


Edited by Stokely (03/13/18 01:50 PM)

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#2914722 - 03/13/18 02:20 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: Struckers]
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The Alto TS series powered speakers are a pleasant mix of economy and quality output. I've run through the gamut of "keyboard amps", bass combo amps and all sorts of PA type 2 and 3 way speakers over the past 30 years and I've come back to Alto more often than not in the past 5 years. IMO you'll need an unpowered mixer in between your board and the speaker--to allow for accurate adjustment of lows, mids and highs--but you should be able to dial in a great AP output on the Alto. Try researching the TS210 series which for around $250 shipped achieves that nice marriage of economy and quality. The only downside I've heard about with Alto is that their amp parts are proprietary and in order to get repairs you generally have to send them back to Alto. I don't know personally as I've never had issues with any of mine.
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#2914737 - 03/13/18 03:24 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: rockinroller]
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I used QSC K8's and CPS Spacestation, in small rooms the CPS was great, in larger rooms the K8's were good but now I use a QSC 10.2 and love it.





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#2914818 - 03/14/18 03:56 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: steve campito]
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still debating on getting a motion sound kp500 , mostly for organ
, some ep's and piano , organ being the priority

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#2914827 - 03/14/18 04:37 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: bill bosco]
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I had a SpaceStation, it wasn't great for piano. It was great for organ or any stereo Rhodes type stuff. It didn't have enough low end for my needs either.

I'm currently using a pair of EV ELX12P powered speakers, running in stereo. I like them enough that my in ears have remained at home.
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#2915035 - 03/14/18 09:13 PM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL

I'm currently using a pair of EV ELX12P powered speakers, running in stereo. I like them enough that my in ears have remained at home.


the new, lower pricing makes them even more attractive. thu
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#2915062 - 03/15/18 03:07 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: bill bosco]
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Motion Sound KP500 KILLS IT for Organ, EP and all synths!
It’s good for rock and pop AP——havent used it for Jazz AP
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#2915068 - 03/15/18 04:13 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: rockinroller]
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I've been using K8s, then K10s for as long as they've been out there. I recently purchased a pair of Alto TS208 powered speakers. They are really good and very small. I'll be gigging with them for the first time next week but they sound great in my studio.

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#2915087 - 03/15/18 05:36 AM Re: Amps: Hammond LS2012, Traynor K1, Other options? [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Motion Sound KP500 KILLS IT for Organ, EP and all synths!
It’s good for rock and pop AP——havent used it for Jazz AP


+1

Great stereo keyboard amp.

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