Electro Fan Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Looks like Radial has made the rack mixer version of the Key Largo that many of us were wishing to have. https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/gear-and-technology/namm-radial-debuts-kl-8-mix-station-swb-usb-auto-switcher Quote Nord Stage 3 Compact, Korg Kronos 61, Casio PX-5S, Yamaha DXR 10 (2)), Neo Vent, Yamaha MG82cx mixer and too many stands to name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphollis Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Looks mo' bettah to me in a few ways ... Quote Want to make your band better? Check out "A Guide To Starting (Or Improving!) Your Own Local Band" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorayM Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 That's pretty darn awesome. If the USB audio was 4-outs then it could replace my entire rack. No news on pricing I guess? Quote North Haverbrook - Godsticks - SoundCloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Wow!!! This could be a killer setup, especially those of us running hybrid hardware/software rigs on stage. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roygBiv Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Agreed, very cool concept - except this: MIDI and USB connections allow control of a LAPTOP soft-synth.... which makes me suspect it will not work with iOS devices, i.e., is not class compliant. If that is true, would be like the Key Largo in that respect. Baffling to me why they would completely ignore the whole iOS ecosystem. But, crossing fingers that Im wrong - would love to have something like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphollis Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The lack of iOS support was the only major beef people had with the Key Largo. And I bet they sold a boatload of them anyway ... Quote Want to make your band better? Check out "A Guide To Starting (Or Improving!) Your Own Local Band" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I could use this. The floor/desktop version has stuff I'd never use on it. Quote Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't know how many they sold, but I think the big miss from the original Key Largo was a pre-fade send/alternate bus, allowing the musician to mix in a send from the desk to a monitor feed, while sending all other channels through those lovely DIs to FoH. I can't tell if the new KL8 can do that. The "On" switches are presumably mutes, while the "Cue" could configure routing to a cue bus - possibly feeding the "Cue" headphone output? There's also a "Remote-Aux" socket, next to the remote USB switcher socket, which is intriguing... Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphollis Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Yes, a pre-fade bus as you describe would be a great feature. Like you, not sure the "cue" function would do it or not. Quote Want to make your band better? Check out "A Guide To Starting (Or Improving!) Your Own Local Band" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't need this, but it's cool! Anything in a rack is better than a stand-alone, in my opinion! I'm still hoping for a rack mount Ventilator with uber features one of these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I don't need this, but it's cool! Anything in a rack is better than a stand-alone, in my opinion! I'm still hoping for a rack mount Ventilator with uber features one of these days. I am actually using my Focusrite 18i20 as my I/O (obviously) and hardware Mixer. Tons of inputs and outputs, plus front panel knobs. Great routing capabilities, etc.. Here's an example of the editor to set it up Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Ashly LX-308B Line Mixer is my solution for years. Love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Looks like Radial has made the rack mixer version of the Key Largo that many of us were wishing to have. https://www.prosoundnetwork.com/gear-and-technology/namm-radial-debuts-kl-8-mix-station-swb-usb-auto-switcher Are the four analog (stereo-) line inputs balanced TRS, -20dB/ +4dB switchable ??? A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Are there ground lift switches like on the Key Largo? Couldn't find any in the pics or text. Doesn't help that the pic of the back panel is partially obscured by white print superimposed over it. Also,are we looking at a connector for an internal power supply or an external one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pianolando Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 This picture from Gearslutz shows the back with ground lift on main and monitor outs. I will definitly get this! https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/winter-namm-show-2018-jan-25-28-anaheim-ca-usa/720373d1516764929-radial-engineering-namm-2018-first-look-upcoming-products-radial_kl-8-stacked.jpg Quote www.landegren.se Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Fantastic news! Really dig that you can keep your monitor signal separate from FOH. Outside of my Yamaha MV802, I have not seen this feature in a rack-mount stereo mixer. Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Fantastic news! Really dig that you can keep your monitor signal separate from FOH. Outside of my Yamaha MV802, I have not seen this feature in a rack-mount stereo mixer. Samson SM10 Behringer 1602 Both can keep your stereo monitor mix separate from FOH Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglow Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Fantastic news! Really dig that you can keep your monitor signal separate from FOH. Outside of my Yamaha MV802, I have not seen this feature in a rack-mount stereo mixer. Samson SM10 Behringer 1602 Both can keep your stereo monitor mix separate from FOH Good to know David, thanks. Quote "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing." - George Bernard Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 You're welcome. I still have an use the Samson now and then. Of course my 2 rack space X-air XR12 is the king of routing possibilities, with the 16 and 18 even better. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel71 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The behringer 1602 has mono monitor, not stereo. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 The behringer 1602 has mono monitor, not stereo. Regards You're right I was thinking about the Stereo Headphone output that can be assigned the monitor feeds. Quote David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 All of there mixers are well thought out too. Some 3 Stage Tubes for signals post USB Ports would be like Gold. I can wait. I use their 8 channel Space Heater on Canterbury Rhodes 8 DIO Clavinet,, Zebra2 HZ and Omni. Shit gets Fat... Really liking deez guys. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 This picture from Gearslutz shows the back with ground lift on main and monitor outs. I will definitly get this! https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/winter-namm-show-2018-jan-25-28-anaheim-ca-usa/720373d1516764929-radial-engineering-namm-2018-first-look-upcoming-products-radial_kl-8-stacked.jpg Yup,there are the ground lift switches plain as day in that pic. That pic also enlarges better than the other one. I think I can almost see one of the pins of the power input labeled DC. so I guess maybe external power supply. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losendoskeys Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Wake me up when there is an 8 channel stereo version with 8 XLR outs. Meanwhile it's 2 x DBX DI4 https://dbxpro.com/en/products/di4 Quote Yamaha CP70B;Roland XP30/AXSynth/Fantom/FA76/XR;Hammond XK3C SK2; Korg Kronos 73;ProSoloist Rack+; ARP ProSoloist; Mellotron M4000D; GEM Promega2; Hohner Pianet N, Roland V-Grand,Voyager XL, RMI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorayM Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Fantastic news! Really dig that you can keep your monitor signal separate from FOH. Outside of my Yamaha MV802, I have not seen this feature in a rack-mount stereo mixer. Samson SM10 Behringer 1602 Both can keep your stereo monitor mix separate from FOH Yeah I got the Samson for this very reason. I would like to replace it with this, although David's route of using his Focusrite as interface and mixer is very attractive too. Price will tell, as always! Quote North Haverbrook - Godsticks - SoundCloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Wake me up when there is an 8 channel stereo version with 8 XLR outs. Meanwhile it's 2 x DBX DI4 https://dbxpro.com/en/products/di4 With the addition of an audio interface, and the (apparent) ability to send each channel to either FOH or headphones/monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Am I the only one who wished this (and the original KL) would have a sum to mono button for the outputs? Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Am I the only one who wished this (and the original KL) would have a sum to mono button for the outputs? You might wish for the button, but not for how it sounds. Most digital stereo keyboards still sound crap in mono and there are only a very few exceptions where the exceptions are just only a very few patches from the overall palette. Radial Engineering knows that,- and what´s your intention making everything mono when the FOH guy can do it and will be responsible for how it sounds then ? I tell ya what I miss on the KL-8 design ... "Balance/Pan" controls for each input channel, the channels being balanced TRS and individual gain (-20dB/+4dB) switches per input channel for the case there are unbalanced and balanced output keyboards/expanders in the rig. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I have a stereo DI on my pedal board which has a mono function. When I have a bar gig with less than optimal situation i prefer mono. All cables are pre-wired, so I only have to push the button. I have to say, in this rig it is synth sounds only, so stereo image is only coming from the effects. Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 I have to say, in this rig it is synth sounds only, so stereo image is only coming from the effects. And my experience is that the FX are the ones collapsing to some phase cancellation nightmare when forced to be in mono. I´m not aware of any of my gear has true-mono-compatible stereo FX build in. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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