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#2901357 - 01/11/18 08:00 AM Death of an X stand
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Now deceased, one of the older Italian Quik Lok two tier double X-stands with most impressive aluminum turnbuckles for the second tier and scaled aluminum center lok.

The horizontal that the lower (read heavier) keyboard sits on snapped right off at the welds.

An X-stand is only as string as its welds. And now looking at where the legs meet the "arms" and "feet" I notice that the welds were just little spot welds on either side of the legs.

Danger Will Robinson!!

Put an 88 on those arms and play hard(Boogie Woogie? McCoy Tyner?) and you're done.

(Not mine and I didn't witness the actual collapse...live on air, but it made me take a look at my Quik Lok slightly custom triple tier and...whew...the newer ones have full lateral welds.)

X-stand user?

Check those welds!!

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#2901359 - 01/11/18 08:04 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: zukskywalker]
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#2901380 - 01/11/18 08:38 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Synthoid]
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I’ve said this before, there are two types of X-stand users, those who have had their X-stand collapse, and those who will have their X-stand collapse. Unfortunately, I am a member of the former group...and no longer an X-stand user.
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#2901435 - 01/11/18 12:20 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Moonglow]
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I have the worst kind of X-stand. There's a hand lever that you squeeze to move a little spring loaded metal nub from hole to hole. It is begging to fail. Literally begging. I hardly ever use it, but when I do, the danger aspect is simply thrilling. Talk about a rush! Never knowing when it will happen...will tonight be the night? Will I make it through?....Damn, talk about excitement.

Actually, I have a strap that when opened to the right setting is tight between the upper section, preventing them from opening any further in the event the little metal nub fails. Not perfect, but piece of mind.

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#2901436 - 01/11/18 12:26 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: ABECK]
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
Talk about a rush! Never knowing when it will happen...will tonight be the night? Will I make it through?....Damn, talk about excitement.


Damn, talk about your one night stand.
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#2901438 - 01/11/18 12:42 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Markyboard]
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Lol
With the advent of Uber, do people still leave cab fare on the night table?

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#2901442 - 01/11/18 01:09 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: ABECK]
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As a two tier QuikLok Z-stand user, I see welds at the points that connect the segments of the "Z" together. They're good solid welds (not spot-welds), but it sometimes makes me a little nervous.
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#2901444 - 01/11/18 01:15 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: ABECK]
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
Lol
With the advent of Uber, do people still leave cab fare on the night table?


I usually just hum a few arpeggios on my way out.

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#2901445 - 01/11/18 01:26 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Markyboard]
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Sung to the tune of a certain ditty about a web-crawling hero...

Spider Pro, Spider Pro
Easy to carry where ever you go
Holds your boards, any size
Won't ever collapse on the guitarist's thighs
Look Out!
....Actually you won't need to, it'll be stable.

Thanks, I'll be here all week, try the veal.


Edited by Stokely (01/11/18 01:26 PM)

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#2901446 - 01/11/18 01:26 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: ABECK
Talk about a rush! Never knowing when it will happen...will tonight be the night? Will I make it through?....Damn, talk about excitement.


Damn, talk about your one night stand.
PianoBanana


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#2901448 - 01/11/18 01:28 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Markyboard]
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I have a proline double braced X-stand and noticed that the bolt had come loose that holds the two braces together. I only noticed it because the bolt barely went through. When i examined it to try to understand why, that is when I noticed the nut/bolt holding the braces together was significantly loose. But still never had a fail and I've been using one of mine for over 20 years on gigs with heavy keyboards.
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#2901455 - 01/11/18 02:48 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: ABECK]
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Originally Posted By: ABECK
Lol
With the advent of Uber, do people still leave cab fare on the night table?


I'd leave one bitcoin.


Edited by Morizzle (01/11/18 02:48 PM)
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#2901460 - 01/11/18 03:18 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Morizzle]
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Originally Posted By: Morizzle
Originally Posted By: ABECK
Lol
With the advent of Uber, do people still leave cab fare on the night table?


I'd leave one bitcoin.


You are one generous SOB. Today's value: 1 bitcoin = 13079.66 USD.
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#2901464 - 01/11/18 03:54 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: ABECK
Lol
With the advent of Uber, do people still leave cab fare on the night table?


I usually just hum a few arpeggios on my way out.


No more calls.....we have a winner!

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#2901470 - 01/11/18 04:51 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: area51recording]
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Yes, X-stands seem to be quite prominent in "keyboard fail" videos:

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#2901476 - 01/11/18 06:21 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: #%$(#]
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Originally Posted By: #%$(#
Yes, X-stands seem to be quite prominent in "keyboard fail" videos:


oh boy, that was something. laugh
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#2901491 - 01/11/18 07:27 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: davedoerfler]
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So if not an QuikLok X stand, what do y’all recommend? I’m about to buy a Nord Stage 3 and if my X stand collapses, I think Imma pass out! Lol
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#2901506 - 01/11/18 09:58 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Darcity]
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Originally Posted By: Darcity
if my X stand collapses, I think Imma pass out! Lol

is it Chinese or Italian?
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#2901524 - 01/12/18 03:19 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: zukskywalker]
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Originally Posted By: zukskywalker
Danger Will Robinson!!


My second-favorite Robot quote:

"Danger, Will Robinson! EXTREME danger!"

My most-favorite Robot quote:

"'Cause, baby, it's cold outside."
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#2901525 - 01/12/18 03:24 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: #%$(#]
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Originally Posted By: #%$(#


There was an Apex stand fail in that video as well. Has anyone experienced a major issue with one of those? freak

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#2901536 - 01/12/18 04:59 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
I have a proline double braced X-stand and noticed that the bolt had come loose that holds the two braces together. I only noticed it because the bolt barely went through. When i examined it to try to understand why, that is when I noticed the nut/bolt holding the braces together was significantly loose. But still never had a fail and I've been using one of mine for over 20 years on gigs with heavy keyboards.


I have that same stand and never had a problem either, even with heavier boards like my FA08 or when I had my Yamaha XS70. I think the kind with the pin that goes thru the hole to adjust the height is OK, there is not much to fail on those. The ones with the serrated gear kind of adjustment, I wouldn't trust.
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#2901543 - 01/12/18 06:13 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: DanL]
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Well, I have one X stand (brand Torrefiel from Spain I believe) being used every day since 1991, lots and lots of gigs and trips to multiple rehearsal spaces. Today it holds my Kurweil Forte. Solid as a rock.

Regards
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#2901566 - 01/12/18 07:03 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: #%$(#]
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Originally Posted By: #%$(#
Yes, X-stands seem to be quite prominent in "keyboard fail" videos:
Love the ones where they keep playing, even if the keyboard was on the floor!

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#2901569 - 01/12/18 07:17 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: #%$(#
Yes, X-stands seem to be quite prominent in "keyboard fail" videos:
Love the ones where they keep playing, even if the keyboard was on the floor!


The show must go on! Though the poor kid in the 1 where he was holding the mic and the stand failed and he just stood there with that wtf just happened look on his face was priceless.
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#2901578 - 01/12/18 07:52 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: DanL]
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Never had a problem with my Quik Lok X stand. Been using it for 20+ years.
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#2901580 - 01/12/18 08:02 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: aellison62]
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My Ultimate Double X stand has lasted for over 20 years, lucky! After seeing the above video of X stand failures I need to buy a new stand. Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand: http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-Stands/KS7350-Keyboard-Stand.gc
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#2901582 - 01/12/18 08:06 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Raymb1]
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Originally Posted By: Raymb1
Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand:


I've had one for almost 10 years with no problems. That sure is a big price drop. freak
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#2901583 - 01/12/18 08:06 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Darcity]
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Originally Posted By: Darcity
So if not an QuikLok X stand, what do y’all recommend? I’m about to buy a Nord Stage 3 and if my X stand collapses, I think Imma pass out! Lol


Darcity,

I use an On Stage Heavy Duty Double X. I've gigged it for 15+ years with an RD700 and then an FA08 on the bottom, an NE2 in the middle and a Micron on top. Never a hint of a problem. cool

Still, I have a safety rope for peace of mind. smile

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#2901605 - 01/12/18 08:49 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Joe P]
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And then there's the X thrones.
Most of which have a padded seat on top of particle board. Yes, particle board!
We had a gospel pianist that weighed over 200 lbs. come in for a session and he sat on an X throne and after just a few minutes BAM!
Straight to the floor, sprawled out like he was just shot. Not pretty but fortunately he was unhurt.

So far, I'm happy with my Quik-Lok double X but prefer not to use the X throne. They're too unstable and tend to rock out from under me.

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#2901661 - 01/12/18 12:16 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Joe P]
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Originally Posted By: Joe P
Originally Posted By: Darcity
So if not an QuikLok X stand, what do y’all recommend? I’m about to buy a Nord Stage 3 and if my X stand collapses, I think Imma pass out! Lol


Darcity,

I use an On Stage Heavy Duty Double X. I've gigged it for 15+ years with an RD700 and then an FA08 on the bottom, an NE2 in the middle and a Micron on top. Never a hint of a problem. cool

Still, I have a safety rope for peace of mind. smile


I have the Quiklok QL-742. I thought my stand was sturdy until I saw these videos but then again, those may be cheap X stands.

OTOH, y'all giving me a reason to buy the Quiklok QL-726 or the Black K&M Spider Pro!laugh
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#2901672 - 01/12/18 01:29 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Raymb1]
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Originally Posted By: Raymb1
My Ultimate Double X stand has lasted for over 20 years, lucky! After seeing the above video of X stand failures I need to buy a new stand. Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand: http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-Stands/KS7350-Keyboard-Stand.gc


The On Stage Z stand is very nice. The problem (for me at least) is the double tier version of it. The upper tier doesn't have the upper keyboard sit far back enough so your bottom keyboard is only half visible, especially when standing. That's OK if your bottom is a very simple slab AP but not good if you need to read a screen display. I thought the depth of that upper tier would be adjustable but as far as I can tell, it's not.
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#2901689 - 01/12/18 03:45 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: aellison62]
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Originally Posted By: aellison62
Originally Posted By: Raymb1
My Ultimate Double X stand has lasted for over 20 years, lucky! After seeing the above video of X stand failures I need to buy a new stand. Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand: http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-Stands/KS7350-Keyboard-Stand.gc


The On Stage Z stand is very nice. The problem (for me at least) is the double tier version of it. The upper tier doesn't have the upper keyboard sit far back enough so your bottom keyboard is only half visible, especially when standing. That's OK if your bottom is a very simple slab AP but not good if you need to read a screen display. I thought the depth of that upper tier would be adjustable but as far as I can tell, it's not.


I put my slab (FA08) on the top tier and my Electro on the bottom.
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#2901731 - 01/12/18 08:21 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Raymb1]
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@Raymb1,
I have three of the similar OnStage two tier Z stands - very sturdy and reliable. One stays in my shop/studio, one stays at church, the third in the matching bag for travel.
Admittedly, I use my K&M 18880 (and 18881 when needed) more often for travel now due to the very light weight combined with reasonable strength.
But I'm pleased with the Z stands.
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#2901742 - 01/12/18 10:04 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: MoodyBluesKeys]
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Thanks for replies fellas. Much appreciated.
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#2901839 - 01/13/18 12:02 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Synthoid]
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Yes, Ive had a couple of fails on an apex. Once one of the arms broke off near the hook end. Another time the whole block that holds two arms to the stand split. Both times I caught the instrument before it hit the floor.

I only use Z stands now. One I've had for about 12 years with medium use still is rock solid. It's a pain to move, but I'll put up with that.

Pete
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#2901937 - 01/14/18 07:58 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Darcity]
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I have always been curious about the Gibralter Keytree and Workhorse keyboard stands. Non mainstream, heavy, expensive, but rock solid.

http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa=detail&mid=3016&sid=749&cid=31

http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa=workhorse

I costed out this stand and it came to $515.00 Yikes!!!


Edited by kbrkr (01/14/18 08:01 AM)

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#2901941 - 01/14/18 08:31 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: kbrkr]
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I like the way the “Keytree” stand looks, but where to put pedals? I’m also wondering if the height of the top tier is adjustable?
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#2901954 - 01/14/18 09:48 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
I like the way the “Keytree” stand looks, but where to put pedals? I’m also wondering if the height of the top tier is adjustable?


The Gibraltar stuff is very cool! You can pretty much build anything you can think of. It comes down to how much $$$$ you want to spend.
The current NIghtRanger keys dude (Eric Levy) uses Gibraltar he designed.
Two Tier, basic setup with a mic attachment tube.
As far as adjustable height, it depends how you build it.

In my case, If I were to build one, it would be for standing gigs only, so I would buy the proper tubes for the height I want. Also, the tubes are easy to cut to custom length



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#2901960 - 01/14/18 10:11 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Hey thanks for the clarification, David! That Night Ranger stand looks badass, bottle-holder, to boot. twothumbs
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#2901968 - 01/14/18 10:42 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Hey thanks for the clarification, David! That Night Ranger stand looks badass, bottle-holder, to boot. twothumbs


You're welcome! Eric says it's the most stable stand he's used on tour.

Also, for those curious.... if you need to tear it down all the time, the clamps use "memory locks", so you don't have to remember the correct position.
My drummer uses Gibraltar rack hardware, and setting up his rack at shows takes no time.

Also, the way Eric's stand is built, you just loosen a couple clamps, and the sides fold in. You don't even have to remove the top cross bar.
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