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#2901672 - 01/12/18 01:29 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Raymb1]
aellison62 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Raymb1
My Ultimate Double X stand has lasted for over 20 years, lucky! After seeing the above video of X stand failures I need to buy a new stand. Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand: http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-Stands/KS7350-Keyboard-Stand.gc


The On Stage Z stand is very nice. The problem (for me at least) is the double tier version of it. The upper tier doesn't have the upper keyboard sit far back enough so your bottom keyboard is only half visible, especially when standing. That's OK if your bottom is a very simple slab AP but not good if you need to read a screen display. I thought the depth of that upper tier would be adjustable but as far as I can tell, it's not.
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#2901689 - 01/12/18 03:45 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: aellison62]
DanL Offline
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Originally Posted By: aellison62
Originally Posted By: Raymb1
My Ultimate Double X stand has lasted for over 20 years, lucky! After seeing the above video of X stand failures I need to buy a new stand. Does anyone have any reservations about this Z stand: http://www.guitarcenter.com/On-Stage-Stands/KS7350-Keyboard-Stand.gc


The On Stage Z stand is very nice. The problem (for me at least) is the double tier version of it. The upper tier doesn't have the upper keyboard sit far back enough so your bottom keyboard is only half visible, especially when standing. That's OK if your bottom is a very simple slab AP but not good if you need to read a screen display. I thought the depth of that upper tier would be adjustable but as far as I can tell, it's not.


I put my slab (FA08) on the top tier and my Electro on the bottom.
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#2901731 - 01/12/18 08:21 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Raymb1]
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@Raymb1,
I have three of the similar OnStage two tier Z stands - very sturdy and reliable. One stays in my shop/studio, one stays at church, the third in the matching bag for travel.
Admittedly, I use my K&M 18880 (and 18881 when needed) more often for travel now due to the very light weight combined with reasonable strength.
But I'm pleased with the Z stands.
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#2901742 - 01/12/18 10:04 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: MoodyBluesKeys]
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Thanks for replies fellas. Much appreciated.
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#2901839 - 01/13/18 12:02 PM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Synthoid]
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Registered: 01/29/08
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Yes, Ive had a couple of fails on an apex. Once one of the arms broke off near the hook end. Another time the whole block that holds two arms to the stand split. Both times I caught the instrument before it hit the floor.

I only use Z stands now. One I've had for about 12 years with medium use still is rock solid. It's a pain to move, but I'll put up with that.

Pete
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#2901937 - 01/14/18 07:58 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Darcity]
kbrkr Offline
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I have always been curious about the Gibralter Keytree and Workhorse keyboard stands. Non mainstream, heavy, expensive, but rock solid.

http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa=detail&mid=3016&sid=749&cid=31

http://www.gibraltarhardware.com/?fa=workhorse

I costed out this stand and it came to $515.00 Yikes!!!


Edited by kbrkr (01/14/18 08:01 AM)

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#2901941 - 01/14/18 08:31 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: kbrkr]
Moonglow Offline
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I like the way the “Keytree” stand looks, but where to put pedals? I’m also wondering if the height of the top tier is adjustable?
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#2901954 - 01/14/18 09:48 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
I like the way the “Keytree” stand looks, but where to put pedals? I’m also wondering if the height of the top tier is adjustable?


The Gibraltar stuff is very cool! You can pretty much build anything you can think of. It comes down to how much $$$$ you want to spend.
The current NIghtRanger keys dude (Eric Levy) uses Gibraltar he designed.
Two Tier, basic setup with a mic attachment tube.
As far as adjustable height, it depends how you build it.

In my case, If I were to build one, it would be for standing gigs only, so I would buy the proper tubes for the height I want. Also, the tubes are easy to cut to custom length



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#2901960 - 01/14/18 10:11 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Hey thanks for the clarification, David! That Night Ranger stand looks badass, bottle-holder, to boot. twothumbs
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#2901968 - 01/14/18 10:42 AM Re: Death of an X stand [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Hey thanks for the clarification, David! That Night Ranger stand looks badass, bottle-holder, to boot. twothumbs


You're welcome! Eric says it's the most stable stand he's used on tour.

Also, for those curious.... if you need to tear it down all the time, the clamps use "memory locks", so you don't have to remember the correct position.
My drummer uses Gibraltar rack hardware, and setting up his rack at shows takes no time.

Also, the way Eric's stand is built, you just loosen a couple clamps, and the sides fold in. You don't even have to remove the top cross bar.
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