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#2905229 - 01/27/18 07:20 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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"built in speakers". This isn't going to end well. Just sayin'.

If you've got any sort of audience, consider amplification so *they* can hear vs *you* can hear. None of the built-in speaker boards are designed around the audience hearing anything.

Edit: if you haul around one of the digital hybrids, maybe it could work. But given the weight factor, not in your wheelhouse. Nor mine.

Step up?
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#2905235 - 01/27/18 08:19 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: cphollis]
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#2905267 - 01/28/18 05:36 AM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
That's the problem of cheap slab digitals with internal speakers. They're mainly for personal monitoring playing alone or with unmiced singer or acoustic instrument.

The problem isn't the speakers per se so much as the whole concept and design.

Yamaha P-115 two 7 watt amplifiers driving a pair of 4.5" speakers with 1.5" tweeters.

Casio PX-360M two 8 watt amps driving a pair of 4.73" speakers with 1.97" tweeter.

Kawai ES-110 two 7 watt amps driving a pair of 4.72" speakers.

Try the 71.63lbs Yamaha CP-300 with a pair of 30 watt amps driving a pair of 5.1" speakers. $2499.99

Or pickup a fairly light weight monitor. Here are some popular models.
Center Point Stereo Spacestation V.3 Powered Stereo Speaker
Alto Truesonic TS212 12" 2-Way Powered Speaker
QSC K10.2 2000W 10" Powered Speaker
Originally Posted By: cphollis
"built in speakers". This isn't going to end well. Just sayin'.

If you've got any sort of audience, consider amplification so *they* can hear vs *you* can hear. None of the built-in speaker boards are designed around the audience hearing anything.

Hey, guys, you're pretty much repeating what you already posted earlier in the thread, but again, I don't think you should lump all slabs-with-speakers together. Wattage tells you very little, when you don't know other design characteristics like speaker efficiency and enclosure, not to mention differences in how companies may be measuring wattage. The 7 watt/ch Roland FP2 and FP4 are way louder than the 8 watt Casio 560. In fact, I've had no problem using the FP2 for solo cocktail hour gigs, but I would not use the Casio for that, nor the Kawai ES100 I tried which I think was a bit louder than the Casio but still not nearly as loud as the Roland (and I think the ES110 is similar to the ES100 here). As I mentioned earlier, others beefier boards are the Kurzweil KA90 and Dexibell P3/P7, though the OP ruled out the P3 for having only 73 keys, and the P7 for being too heavy at 32 lbs.

Since the OP thinks the P115 *might* be loud enough, I'm not sure he needs to go with external amplification. If the P115 is in fact barely not loud enough, the KA90 would almost certainly handle it (and probably the similar Alesis and other boards that are largely if not entirely identical). But Elmer, if he does need an amp, you're recommending awfully heavy amps to someone who doesn't want a piano that's more than about 25 lbs! Again as I mentioned earlier, if he does need an amp, I'd look at EV ZXa1 (19 lbs), Behringer B208D (14 bs, lesser sound quality), Klipsch KMC3 (8 lbs, not nearly as loud, but louder than what's in most slabs, so might be okay if you're on the cusp). I did a cocktail hour with a Numa Compact 2 and the KMC3, it was fine, though the speakers in the Numa would not have cut it by themselves.
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#2905277 - 01/28/18 06:38 AM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: AnotherScott]
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I think I might check out that Kurz KA90, Scott. I know the triple strike sample is outdated, but I did use the PC2 for a number of years in bands and it seemed okay at the time. Just need to find a music stand that folds up small enough as this model doesn't have a built in rack.
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#2905316 - 01/28/18 10:30 AM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Polkahero]
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aren't all built in speakers pretty much pointed straight up at the face of the keyboard player? not seeing how that works for the audience but i am prejudiced by my irrational and unfounded hate for the very idea of internal speakers so ... i'll just let myself out.
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#2905323 - 01/28/18 11:11 AM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
aren't all built in speakers pretty much pointed straight up at the face of the keyboard player?

No, some face up, some face down (yup), some face out the back... but regardless, the sound isn't entirely directional (with high frequencies being the most directional). When I was comparing the sound output of some of these myself, I placed an SPL meter (okay, an iPad running an SPL app) a few feet into the "audience" space, because I wanted to confirm the differences from that perspective.
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#2912494 - 03/01/18 01:24 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: AnotherScott]
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I received the Kawai ES110 today. Knew within a few minutes the speakers aren't going to be loud enough. Two speakers facing downwards which on a carpeted floor not only reduces the volume but also muffles the sound. Doesn't sound at all like my MP7 even with the same piano sample. This one is going back! Hoping the Kurzweil KA90 I ordered comes next week.
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#2912544 - 03/01/18 03:44 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Polkahero]
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I have an MP7 hoping that the Kurzweil SP6 can replace it at half the weight. It has no speakers.


Edited by Dlrshort (03/01/18 03:45 PM)

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#2912690 - 03/02/18 11:35 AM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Dlrshort]
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I donít know about you, but iíd hate to be limited in a room of 50 hard of hearing folks to the power of onboard speakers (in this price range and weight). Itís not as satisfying if you donít have enough volume, projection, and overall sound quality. And as a classically trained pianist iím sure that the piano tone and keybed are very important to you, which doesnít necessarily coincide with the quality of the built-in speakers!

Of the various add-on speakers the one that makes the most sense to me given your needs would be the Klipsch KMC 3, as Another Scott was recommending. Itís a boom box sized speaker that weighs only 8 pounds, and delivers some serious bass and volume. Itís also cheap, i got mine new off Amazon for $170. That it also has BT built-in (its sold as a BT speaker on steroids), and can run off of batteries if needed are more pluses. It would still make a one trip carry in possible (put it in a backpack).

Iíve been very impressed with its sound quality, and if anything it has too much bass, they overdid that, i use EQ to tame it a bit.

If you did that youíd have a lot more options, esp. if you used the onboard speakers more for your personal monitoring, and the Klipsch for the audience. It also comes with a remote control, very handy for setting volume from a distance!

Three thumbs up for a highly portable, good sounding, and inexpensive speaker!
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#2912719 - 03/02/18 02:27 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Randelph]
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Originally Posted By: Randelph
If you did that youíd have a lot more options, esp. if you used the onboard speakers more for your personal monitoring, and the Klipsch for the audience.

Yes, though in that case, you also have to make sure you choose a piano that lets you play internal and external speakers at the same time.

That said, if the KA90 works for him, it may well be loud enough on its own, it's a lot louder than most. I don't think I'd need the Klipsch with that one.
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#2912770 - 03/02/18 08:04 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Used to cart around a Roland RD600. Nice action and sounds, but a back-breaker, and the hammer action keys kept breaking. Now I use a Nord 3HP (rock/funk/jazz) or my Casio PX5 Stage (snooty jazz, weddings, no speakers or amp)...both at about 20 lbs, and soft bag safe.
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#2912787 - 03/02/18 10:29 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: shmuelyosef]
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Korg sp 280 has two speakers, 22 watts each. Nice action, sounds. Weighs 42 lbs.
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#2914559 - 03/12/18 04:21 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: David Loving]
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Update: Received the Kurz KA90 today. Noticeably louder plus the speakers face up so it doesn't suffer from the muffling effect of the Kawai's downward facing speakers. Action isn't as quick as the Kawai but not horrible. Piano sample isn't as good, but I could improve that with a module. I think it will be loud enough on its own, fortunately the speakers don't distort with the volume cranked all the way. Guess I'll have to bring both boards to my next gig (this Friday) and see how they perform.
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#2914588 - 03/12/18 08:47 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Polkahero]
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If it doesn't fly, I can second David's suggestion of the Korg. A choir I accompany has one and it's definitely loud enough on its own for both rehearsals in a large-ish room and the occasional low volume concerts.

Neither the piano sample nor the action are anywhere near being my favourite thing to play but they're adequate, and I get the feeling that what you're looking for here is a quick and dirty solution at a reasonable price. Those suggesting iPads etc are overthinking this, IMO.
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#2914592 - 03/12/18 08:58 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Aidan]
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Unfortunately, the Korg is pretty far from the 25 lb target. Not as bad as a CP300, though. ;-)
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#2914594 - 03/12/18 09:20 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: AnotherScott]
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LOL Scott, fortunately, I've never had to haul the choir's Ė it's always set up there for me!
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#2918234 - 03/30/18 01:44 PM Re: Looking For Lightweight (25 Lbs.) 88-Key Digital Piano [Re: Aidan]
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Just got back from a retirement community gig, pretty good sized dining room and the Kurzweil KA90 was plenty loud enough. This time I borrowed my friend's Motif XS module to enhance the piano sound and it sounded great! I even got compliments from some of the residents on just the SOUND of the piano. The Motif is too bulky for me to keep lugging around in a rack case so I'm hoping the GEM RPX and/or V3 module(s) will be more than adequate going forward.
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