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#2894409 - 12/06/17 10:58 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Its not the first time in history the musicians are stashed behind a curtain or in a room, aristocrats and royals used to stash the musicians in a small room adjacent to where the party was with holes to let the music sip out. The original loudspeaker with a musician in it.......its just entertainement.
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#2894418 - 12/07/17 02:01 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
We're all so high on technology except when it interferes with our purist views of how live music is made.

Put me underneath a stage with U2 or some other major act, and assuming it pays a fair wage you will see me with a big smile on my face.



I like your 1st point.

To me, its not primarily about the money. I understand you need to be compensated.
IOW, I don't have the mercenary approach ( as long as one is paid so what) if it involves putting me out of sight.

I didn't communicate clearly. I didn't mean to imply that being offstage vs onstage was in any way tied to what my compensation was. I'm assuming that any gig that would have me hidden under a stage with a major touring act would pay a fair wage. That's what would put the smile on face (along with playing music I like of course!) Whether I'm on or offstage doesn't matter to me one bit that's all my poorly-worded aside was trying to say.

Originally Posted By: GregC
I am not as impressed with rubbing elbows with U2 if thats the ' gig '. That is essentially
a fan sentiment vs having a musical role.

And i feel its not worth bragging about, either.

Different strokes, etc, etc.

I hear you, I'm not one to toot my own horn either but if I got the gig with U2 I wouldn't be keeping it a secret and I'll hazard that you or anybody else wouldn't either!

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#2894421 - 12/07/17 02:23 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys

I hear you, I'm not one to toot my own horn either but if I got the gig with U2 I wouldn't be keeping it a secret and I'll hazard that you or anybody else wouldn't either!


Well if you ever get the gig and need a sub I'm up for it. I'll even wear full cover up including a balaclava and fingerless gloves so the audience think its you under the stage. I can even press play if they need a contemporary multi instrumentalist.
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#2894429 - 12/07/17 03:53 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: waygetter]
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Originally Posted By: waygetter
I personally like the offstage gigs. Oh yeah... have a nice little room, got your boards set up, play a little bit here and there. Got the big screen TV going, the laptop, the iPad, got some pizza, some beers, a milkshake. Get a little foot massage going, watch some Gilligan's Island reruns, play a few parts, get back to the couch, a little Facebook, some KC posts. What could be better? thu


don't forget the parade of attractive women stopping by to admire your keyboard rig.
And the inexpensive supply of mind shaping substances in case the gig gets a little boring wink

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#2894430 - 12/07/17 03:54 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: fjzingo]
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Originally Posted By: fjzingo
Its not the first time in history the musicians are stashed behind a curtain or in a room, aristocrats and royals used to stash the musicians in a small room adjacent to where the party was with holes to let the music sip out. The original loudspeaker with a musician in it.......its just entertainement.


We have learned so much from history . Assuming we can remember smile

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#2894431 - 12/07/17 03:56 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: waygetter]
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Originally Posted By: waygetter
Originally Posted By: GregC
There are talented keyboard players out there, at least in my urban area, but they are driven by more lucrative economic interests, such as a ( corporate) job that pays $100,000 per year.

FYI... $100,000 in the Bay Area is considered low income
Sxi figures is low income


I am so shocked.

Where's the justice ? wink

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#2894498 - 12/07/17 09:24 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: sherry
In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


the Chicago band scene was as tough as a Chicago winter from my experience ( 70's)

I was tempted to switch to saxophone and busker on Michigan Avenue


In the 80's in Chicago it was no better. If you wanted to play a hotel or club circuit full-time, well, we played from 10PM till 4 AM (6 hrs because of the region's liberal liquor license laws) 6 nights a week. (Yeah, I said 4 AM). And if you didn't want the gig because of the hours, there were a lot of starving musicians in Chicagoland that would jump on it.
Not a lot happening at the Harvey or Waukegan Holiday Inns on a Tuesday at 2 or 3 am. For us musicians, it was like working as an employee at the Mustang Ranch. Soul crushing, and like a marathon to the finish line. Every night. And then there was the night the club owner refused to pay us extra when we "lost an hour" during Daylight Savings Time in the fall ("hey you guys, it's in the contract") and we played SEVEN hours that night.
I have few good memories of my short time living in Chicago, mostly due to the musician crap such as this. Murph and the Magictones at The Armada Room, indeed.

Regarding keyboardists onstage, many of my fellow weekend warriors have gone to backing tracks or Pro Tools or similar. One less guy to pay. But most barflies don't care at all.


Edited by kpl1228 (12/07/17 09:28 AM)

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#2894525 - 12/07/17 10:07 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: kpl1228]
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Originally Posted By: kpl1228
Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: sherry
In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


the Chicago band scene was as tough as a Chicago winter from my experience ( 70's)

I was tempted to switch to saxophone and busker on Michigan Avenue


In the 80's in Chicago it was no better. If you wanted to play a hotel or club circuit full-time, well, we played from 10PM till 4 AM (6 hrs because of the region's liberal liquor license laws) 6 nights a week. (Yeah, I said 4 AM). And if you didn't want the gig because of the hours, there were a lot of starving musicians in Chicagoland that would jump on it.
Not a lot happening at the Harvey or Waukegan Holiday Inns on a Tuesday at 2 or 3 am. For us musicians, it was like working as an employee at the Mustang Ranch. Soul crushing, and like a marathon to the finish line. Every night. And then there was the night the club owner refused to pay us extra when we "lost an hour" during Daylight Savings Time in the fall ("hey you guys, it's in the contract") and we played SEVEN hours that night.
I have few good memories of my short time living in Chicago, mostly due to the musician crap such as this. Murph and the Magictones at The Armada Room, indeed.

Regarding keyboardists onstage, many of my fellow weekend warriors have gone to backing tracks or Pro Tools or similar. One less guy to pay. But most barflies don't care at all.


I have some soul crushing experiences but they are worth forgetting.

I moved to SF in '78 as my first business job out of college created a better job opportuntity- I jumped on it and never looked back.

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#2894782 - 12/08/17 09:11 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: sherry]
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Originally Posted By: sherry
Seen the Who twice in the last three years. Keyboard players are right there on stage with the rest. But I have to say, the live cover band scene, keyboardists are being eliminated like the plague. In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


I see this EVERYWHERE. The ones I hate the most are '80s cover bands that play the same cliche '80s hits and have the audacity to play synth-heavy tunes WITHOUT a visible keyboard player (Yes, all synth parts are on backing tracks). Grrr...

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#2894801 - 12/09/17 07:08 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: elsongs]
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Originally Posted By: elsongs
Originally Posted By: sherry
Seen the Who twice in the last three years. Keyboard players are right there on stage with the rest. But I have to say, the live cover band scene, keyboardists are being eliminated like the plague. In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


I see this EVERYWHERE. The ones I hate the most are '80s cover bands that play the same cliche '80s hits and have the audacity to play synth-heavy tunes WITHOUT a visible keyboard player (Yes, all synth parts are on backing tracks). Grrr...

Agree, thats just rude.
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#2894803 - 12/09/17 07:21 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: elsongs]
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Originally Posted By: elsongs
Originally Posted By: sherry
Seen the Who twice in the last three years. Keyboard players are right there on stage with the rest. But I have to say, the live cover band scene, keyboardists are being eliminated like the plague. In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


I see this EVERYWHERE. The ones I hate the most are '80s cover bands that play the same cliche '80s hits and have the audacity to play synth-heavy tunes WITHOUT a visible keyboard player (Yes, all synth parts are on backing tracks). Grrr...


I agree. We should all boycott Korg, Roland, casio, Yamaha, etc for ruining potential keyboard gig employment. And refuse to buy any of their products.

after all, we must stand for our principles, correct ? Or do we stand by and hold our noses and make disapproving noises ?

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#2894817 - 12/09/17 09:12 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: Tom Williams]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Williams
I gotta say, it hit bottom with me at a festival this summer where the 3-piece (Guitar/Bass/Drums) band before us used sequences for brasses, keys, and backup vocals (Vocoder? Not sure; maybe audio in parallel to the MIDI...). The most talented musician was the drummer / sequencerist.

Then, amazingly, they used the sequencer to play a difficult bass solo while the bassist just sorta moved his fingers around, like Mike Nesmith playing the opening to Valleri.

Related: talent shows and open mic nights where the singer brings in the original song's MP3 -- which includes the original lead vocals -- sings with it, and hopes to be respected.


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#2894826 - 12/09/17 10:10 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: elsongs
Originally Posted By: sherry
Seen the Who twice in the last three years. Keyboard players are right there on stage with the rest. But I have to say, the live cover band scene, keyboardists are being eliminated like the plague. In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


I see this EVERYWHERE. The ones I hate the most are '80s cover bands that play the same cliche '80s hits and have the audacity to play synth-heavy tunes WITHOUT a visible keyboard player (Yes, all synth parts are on backing tracks). Grrr...


I agree. We should all boycott Korg, Roland, casio, Yamaha, etc for ruining potential keyboard gig employment. And refuse to buy any of their products.

after all, we must stand for our principles, correct ? Or do we stand by and hold our noses and make disapproving noises ?


not following your snarky retort. he said he dislikes certain bands that backtrack the entire keyboard player. I do too - its a rude insult to keyboardists. you don't see a live band with just a keyboardist and drumnmer - with the vocals, guitar and bass backtracked, do you? (excluding boy bands now). no, not really.

But why did you jump straight to keyboard manufacturers? These bands don't have keyboardists playing in the green room or behind a curtain. and they aren't running sequencers on keyboards off stage. they recorded tracks on digital media. they are running an mp3 player with the mixed tracks channel fed to FOH and the synch'd click track channel fed to drummer's ear. it has nothing to do with Korg, Yamaha or Roland - one can record literally anything nowadays. if you record a guitarist and then play it back as a track, should we go ban guitar makers? makes no sense.

maybe you should boycott the manufacturers of microphones, A/D converters, digital recorders and memory and mp3 playback machines? add in those f__kers who make software to mix down multiple recorded tracks to a single channel while adding a second channel with a click track. that could include everyone from DAW developers, Microsoft, Dell, Apple ... etc.

you've got alot of boycotting to do before you ever get to a keyboard manufacturer. better get started ...


Edited by MotiDave (12/09/17 10:12 AM)
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#2894833 - 12/09/17 11:01 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: elsongs
[quote=sherry]Seen the Who twice in the last three years. Keyboard players are right there on stage with the rest. But I have to say, the live cover band scene, keyboardists are being eliminated like the plague. In Chicago most cover bands use tracks to cover keys. Audience doesn't care and neither do the bands. Sad.


I see this EVERYWHERE. The ones I hate the most are '80s cover bands that play the same cliche '80s hits and have the audacity to play synth-heavy tunes WITHOUT a visible keyboard player (Yes, all synth parts are on backing tracks). Grrr...


I agree. We should all boycott Korg, Roland, casio, Yamaha, etc for ruining potential keyboard gig employment. And refuse to buy any of their products.

after all, we must stand for our principles, correct ? Or do we stand by and hold our noses and make disapproving noises ?


not following your snarky retort. he said he dislikes certain bands that backtrack the entire keyboard player. I do too - its a rude insult to keyboardists. you don't see a live band with just a keyboardist and drumnmer - with the vocals, guitar and bass backtracked, do you? (excluding boy bands now). no, not really.

1) But why did you jump straight to keyboard manufacturers? These bands don't have keyboardists playing in the green room or behind a curtain. and they aren't running sequencers on keyboards off stage.

2) they recorded tracks on digital media. they are running an mp3 player with the mixed tracks channel fed to FOH and the synch'd click track channel fed to drummer's ear. it has nothing to do with Korg, Yamaha or Roland - one can record literally anything nowadays. if you record a guitarist and then play it back as a track, should we go ban guitar makers? makes no sense.

3)maybe you should boycott the manufacturers of microphones, A/D converters, digital recorders and memory and mp3 playback machines? add in those f__kers who make software to mix down multiple recorded tracks to a single channel while adding a second channel with a click track. that could include everyone from DAW developers, Microsoft, Dell, Apple ... etc.

4)you've got alot of boycotting to do before you ever get to a keyboard manufacturer. better get started ... [/quote]

I see that. Lets not look at the bigger picture wink

1) Why not pick on the big boys. Who started all the SEQ's, + 15 yrs ago. Who continues putting SEQ's in their products ? I suppose thats not relevant, if you blink bother eyes and rub them

2) all of these track bands ? Some of them ? What about the big venue bands ? Do they track on $10 media players. No, they do not.

3) Be my guest. Think big or go home

4) I can tell you are on board. Of course, I jest. Its far too late. Everyone likes
their toys.

BTW, I know zero will change with bands using tracks. Because there is lots of ' following ' going on. "Following ' is cheap. And convenient.

Lets not connect the dots. Only some of them wink


Edited by GregC (12/09/17 11:23 AM)

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#2894836 - 12/09/17 11:16 AM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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There's no use debating whether this is the future: it clearly is. I'm getting the kind of vibe the horn and string players must have gotten in the 80's. Fewer musicians will be employed, the performance will become further detached from humanity, no one cares, and it's a slippery slope there's no going back from.

Maybe in fifty years, audiences will realize what's been lost. Meanwhile, it's probably the worst time since the invention to be a piano teacher.

I'm not challenging anyone's way of performing, just lamenting what is being lost.
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#2894856 - 12/09/17 12:30 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: Ledbetter]
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Wow. DUDES, what's the real issue fueling all this anger. Is anybody here looking for a gig and can't find one? If not, then.....

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#2894858 - 12/09/17 12:42 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: J. Dan]
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I've got to find that fan vid, it's almost comical the lengths that guy went to to avoid showing the keyboard player.
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#2894860 - 12/09/17 01:09 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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You know that poster MotiDave? It seems like every time I post here, he posts next calling me sexy or something. Not that there's anything wrong with that, yoga has really improved my butt, who can blame someone for noticing. Anyway, I was just curious if this had ever happened to anyone else. Sorry for the hijack, it's just been hard to live alone with my burden.
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#2894862 - 12/09/17 01:48 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Originally Posted By: MathOfInsects
OK, found it. The guy was right in front of the guitar amp, so you hear mostly guitar. I was loud FOH, but not on stage, so you have to strain to hear me here. This is actually a specifically organ-heavy song. I was set up right at the bass player's right elbow, and downstage from him--"U" style around the BL. Much of that time you see the bass player looking off kind of to the right, that's us communicating about stops and stuff. Watch the pan at the beginning of the video. Keyboard player? What keyboard player?



I can hear you. your stylings are sexy and soulful, dig it. her voice is even sexier - love that soulful sh!t and truth to all i generally do not like the blues as it bores me. but this - this works for me. dig it!

but hang on here - you're on stage, theoretically visible to the audience (not filming this video) so technically your sexiness doesn't even belong in this thread discussion.
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#2894866 - 12/09/17 02:01 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
I see that. Lets not look at the bigger picture wink

1) Why not pick on the big boys. Who started all the SEQ's, + 15 yrs ago. Who continues putting SEQ's in their products ? I suppose thats not relevant, if you blink bother eyes and rub them

2) all of these track bands ? Some of them ? What about the big venue bands ? Do they track on $10 media players. No, they do not.

3) Be my guest. Think big or go home

4) I can tell you are on board. Of course, I jest. Its far too late. Everyone likes
their toys.

BTW, I know zero will change with bands using tracks. Because there is lots of ' following ' going on. "Following ' is cheap. And convenient.

Lets not connect the dots. Only some of them wink


i still don't know why you're singling out keyboard manufacturers for the rampant use of backing tracks. nothing you just added helps with that confusion.

you blame integration of sequencers in keyboards (intended mainly for composers) for today's use of backing tracks by bands that do not bring a keyboardist at all? you blinked and rubbed your eyes and this is what happened?

well I don't know about all that but I do know more than a few bands that have backing tracks. None of them use a keyboard sequencer.
it would be hard for them to do so as they didn't bring a keyboardist who has this sequencer!

they also don't record the keys tracks on internal sequencers either - they record them to a DAW.

yeah, still makes no sense. dots are dots. ok. have a good one, Greg.
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#2894868 - 12/09/17 02:22 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Originally Posted By: GregC
I see that. Lets not look at the bigger picture wink

1) Why not pick on the big boys. Who started all the SEQ's, + 15 yrs ago. Who continues putting SEQ's in their products ? I suppose thats not relevant, if you blink bother eyes and rub them

2) all of these track bands ? Some of them ? What about the big venue bands ? Do they track on $10 media players. No, they do not.

3) Be my guest. Think big or go home

4) I can tell you are on board. Of course, I jest. Its far too late. Everyone likes
their toys.

BTW, I know zero will change with bands using tracks. Because there is lots of ' following ' going on. "Following ' is cheap. And convenient.

Lets not connect the dots. Only some of them wink


1) i still don't know why you're singling out keyboard manufacturers for the rampant use of backing tracks. nothing you just added helps with that confusion.

you blame integration of sequencers in keyboards (intended mainly for composers) for today's use of backing tracks by bands that do not bring a keyboardist at all? you blinked and rubbed your eyes and this is what happened?

well I don't know about all that but I do know more than a few bands that have backing tracks. None of them use a keyboard sequencer.
it would be hard for them to do so as they didn't bring a keyboardist who has this sequencer!

2)they also don't record the keys tracks on internal sequencers either - they record them to a DAW.

yeah, still makes no sense. dots are dots. ok. have a good one, Greg.


this has been fun. I won't persist with any more dots. I happen to enjoy recording keyboard tracks. They are fun as hell. But I guess the mantra by some is they are evil if they find their way on stage.

Lets debate about something from 2017 or 2018 next time smile

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#2894873 - 12/09/17 02:49 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MotiDave]
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On the flip side of the coin for those complaining that keyboardists aren't getting the attention other band members get I spoke to a sax player that was fired from his club date (function, wedding, corporate etc.) band because... he looked too old. And in the New York club date FB group I frequent, there are sometimes calls put out for "youthful", "high energy" singers or sax players. Makes me happy to be a keyboardist that can disappear into the background!

And yea, technology puts people out of work it's always been like that, and in many more professions than just music. In other news, fire is hot. I agree with Sven... Joe & Jane Q Public don't give a shit, never have, never will. I like this quote from Frank Zappa's autobiography:

So, if music is the best, what is music? Anything can be music, but it doesn't become music until someone wills it to be music, and the audience listening to it decides to perceive it as music.

Most people can't deal with that abstraction -- or don't want to. They say: "Gimme the tune. Do I like this tune? Does it sound like another tune that I like? The more familiar it is, the better I like it. Hear those three notes there? Those are the three notes I can sing along with. I like those notes very, very much. Give me a beat. Not a fancy one. Give me a GOOD BEAT -- something I can dance to. It has to go boom-bap, boom-boom-BAP. If it doesn't, I will hate it very, very much. Also, I want it right away -- and then, write me some more songs like that -- over and over and over again, because I'm really into music.

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#2894891 - 12/09/17 04:42 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
I spoke to a sax player that was fired from his club date (function, wedding, corporate etc.) band because... he looked too old. And in the New York club date FB group I frequent, there are sometimes calls put out for "youthful", "high energy" singers or sax players.


I had a younger bass player, whom I had played with a couple times when we were both filling in with the same band, call me about a project he was putting together. I had to turn it down due to my schedule, but suggested a few other keyboard players I know. He said he was looking for somebody younger. I laughed and said "how old do you think I am?" (all of the guys I mentioned were my age). He guessed about 10 years younger.

Regardless of how old you ACTUALLY are, it IS important how you look on stage, like it or not. I dye my beard, cover my bald head, and dress young, and apparently it works. Live music is visual as much as it's audible.
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#2894894 - 12/09/17 05:17 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: J. Dan]
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Sure, I understand - "it's not personal, it's strictly business." smile I'm genetically blessed with my maternal grandfather's hair - which he kept his whole life. It has some grey but I'm not going with the grecian formula. I do believe that a front person - singer or horn player is more apt to feel the pressure to remain young-looking than my anonymous self sitting behind my keyboard. But that's kinda moot right now - I'm not really in the circuit of gigs where anyone's employment opportunities are determined by a large margin on their looks. That's probably a good thing!

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#2894898 - 12/09/17 05:23 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: GregC]
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Originally Posted By: GregC
Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Originally Posted By: GregC
I see that. Lets not look at the bigger picture wink

1) Why not pick on the big boys. Who started all the SEQ's, + 15 yrs ago. Who continues putting SEQ's in their products ? I suppose thats not relevant, if you blink bother eyes and rub them

2) all of these track bands ? Some of them ? What about the big venue bands ? Do they track on $10 media players. No, they do not.

3) Be my guest. Think big or go home

4) I can tell you are on board. Of course, I jest. Its far too late. Everyone likes
their toys.

BTW, I know zero will change with bands using tracks. Because there is lots of ' following ' going on. "Following ' is cheap. And convenient.

Lets not connect the dots. Only some of them wink


1) i still don't know why you're singling out keyboard manufacturers for the rampant use of backing tracks. nothing you just added helps with that confusion.

you blame integration of sequencers in keyboards (intended mainly for composers) for today's use of backing tracks by bands that do not bring a keyboardist at all? you blinked and rubbed your eyes and this is what happened?

well I don't know about all that but I do know more than a few bands that have backing tracks. None of them use a keyboard sequencer.
it would be hard for them to do so as they didn't bring a keyboardist who has this sequencer!

2)they also don't record the keys tracks on internal sequencers either - they record them to a DAW.

yeah, still makes no sense. dots are dots. ok. have a good one, Greg.


this has been fun. I won't persist with any more dots. I happen to enjoy recording keyboard tracks. They are fun as hell. But I guess the mantra by some is they are evil if they find their way on stage.

Lets debate about something from 2017 or 2018 next time smile

I dont know, G - you seem nice but then you keep numbering the sentences in my posts. Its sort of intimidating, like the line numbers on a court filing smile
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#2894905 - 12/09/17 06:36 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MotiDave]
GregC Offline
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Loc: Discovery Bay, California
Originally Posted By: MotiDave


Lets debate about something from 2017 or 2018 next time smile

I dont know, G - you seem nice but then you keep numbering the sentences in my posts. Its sort of intimidating, like the line numbers on a court filing smile[/quote]

Hi Dave, no worries. I sometimes do a little wind up on a topic. The numbering bit is to organize the thought process. I know, its annoying. I don't like court stuff, either.

Did you make a move on the FA ? I won't harass you or anyone for using the SEQ wink

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#2894920 - 12/09/17 09:40 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Sure, I understand - "it's not personal, it's strictly business." smile I'm genetically blessed with my maternal grandfather's hair - which he kept his whole life. It has some grey but I'm not going with the grecian formula. I do believe that a front person - singer or horn player is more apt to feel the pressure to remain young-looking than my anonymous self sitting behind my keyboard. But that's kinda moot right now - I'm not really in the circuit of gigs where anyone's employment opportunities are determined by a large margin on their looks. That's probably a good thing!


Same, it appears I'll be keeping my hair, and so far it's still got more pepper than salt. My mother's father never went all the way gray, so we'll see. If I get enough sleep, I look younger than I am, so I'm not a complete drag to have on the bandstand yet. But I'm hitting an age when even "younger than I am," is pretty ancient.
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#2894921 - 12/09/17 09:42 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MathOfInsects]
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Screw you guys with all your.......hair, and......hair color, and......whatever. Screw you!

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#2894924 - 12/09/17 10:12 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: MotiDave]
MathOfInsects Offline
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Registered: 02/04/15
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Loc: California
Originally Posted By: MotiDave
I can hear you. your stylings are sexy and soulful, dig it. her voice is even sexier - love that soulful sh!t and truth to all i generally do not like the blues as it bores me. but this - this works for me. dig it!

but hang on here - you're on stage, theoretically visible to the audience (not filming this video) so technically your sexiness doesn't even belong in this thread discussion.


Ha! You're right. I was following up on an earlier post. But I made it a separate post so I could delete it, and now you (and now I) have responded to it and it can't be deleted, so I am going to have to think of something creative to do with that post instead.
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#2894929 - 12/09/17 11:18 PM Re: U2 on SNL: Where was the keyboardist? [Re: wd8dky]
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Originally Posted By: wd8dky
Playing to backing tracks, or triggering samples/loops live? There's a difference...


It's a sampled loop. A 4 minute one. Triggered right at the beginning of the song.

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