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#2893549 - 12/01/17 11:12 AM Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe?
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I searched for a thread on the VR730 but only found the one concerning the NAMM announcement. By now there may be folks on this forum who have played if not purchased one. Also, I figured a new thread could be justified if it had a provocative title.

My situation is I have a gig in a couple weeks. This would be the first gig in a few years that isn't solo piano (kiddies have grounded me until now), so I need a keyboard and would like to go with one do-it-all board. I can judge the sounds and features of the VR well enough through videos and whatnot, but I'm very curious how the action works for pianos. On the videos I've watched, pianos sounds seem to be triggering with little or no nuance. It may be that there's a sensitivity adjustment that the demonstrators on these videos didn't bother to adjust. What I'm hearing on the videos seems borderline unacceptable to me. Can anyone speak to this?

Also curious about how the swell pedal works for organ? Is it just a volume pedal or is it true swell and is it as smooth as it should be for a real clone?

There's a couple user reviews on the Sweetwater site that aren't very helpful. My questions will be answered once the VR is in stores, which I expect will be soon, but timing is tight with this gig.
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#2893565 - 12/01/17 12:31 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
timing is tight with this gig.


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#2893566 - 12/01/17 12:37 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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I just picked up one of these. So I guess this will be an initial, mini-review as well.

The VR-730 is not quite an 'Electro Killer', though it is pretty cool. The Electro 5 has flexible piano and synth memory; so you can make use of the Nord piano and sample libraries. Plus it has a much more flexible effects section, larger patch memory, and a couple other pluses. What is doesn't have is pitch/mod control, built-in drum tracks/looping, and the depth of synth power and programming that Roland provides.

As for piano touch, it's as nuanced as one could likely get on a waterfall action (which I found, BTW, to be stellar with the organ and synth sections); in other word, very passable for band work. Haven't played an NE5 action, but I can compare the VR-730 action to my SK1. I much prefer the VR-730 action, especially for piano tones. There are ten levels of velocity; coupled with a wide choice of piano tones, I've been able to dial in some surprisingly playable pianos.
I haven't connected a swell pedal, yet. The VR-730 only provides two pedal inputs: damper, and assignable - which I've been using with a pedal switch assigned to rotary speed.

The VR-730 is basically a slightly expanded VR-09b - with the 73-key waterfall action, and a nice handful of additional synth tones. I'd sold off a few pieces of gear recently, and had planned to pick up a Stage 3 Compact, but some unexpected expenses caused my compact, all-in-one to become this particular keyboard. I do miss detailed effects editing, multi-band EQ, and sample importing.... But the VR-730 does sound great; its core engines are solid and inspiring to play. Also, I just ordered in a Zoom MS-70CDR stereo effects pedal, which should help me feel more at 'home' on the VR.
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#2893571 - 12/01/17 12:50 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: allan_evett]
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The VR-730 keys/action would be viewed by "most" keyboardists as an improvement over the original VR-09. The action feels much more classy:)

That being said, I never had a problem with the action on the VR09 when I owned it...
I found it very easy to adjust my playing style to the piano and Rhodes sounds...no issues. But, if you have trouble doing that, there are velocity parameters you can adjust to suit your playing style.

It is a great keyboard for the price, but I feel the Nord Electros sound much better on the Hammond Organ modeling. And, speaking of action, I never have been able to adjust to the Nord action when playing pianos or EP's...quite the opposite of my VR experience! I have always wished Nord would make a synth-action keyboard with their Electros...
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#2893591 - 12/01/17 02:54 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: iluvchiclets]
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I own a VR-09 (updated with the latest rotary which is a big improvement) and was tempted by the 730, but what surprised me was the pricing. It's almost double the price of a VR-09, at £1300.

Given the Nord Electro 5 73 is only a couple of hundred more, I was more tempted by this option for the better Hammonds. I think Roland could have pitched a bit lower if they wanted to steal market share from Nord here.

However in the end they won out since I kept the 09 up top and bought an FA-07 as the bottom board!

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#2893599 - 12/01/17 03:49 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: allan_evett]
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I really appreciate the mini-review Allen! This keyboard is currently on my sub-$1500 'short list', along with the Kurzweil SP6. As soon as Sweetwater gets an SP6 in-house I plan to head there for an afternoon of hands-on playing time evaluation. i understand that the VR-730 has several additional new voices from the RD-2000. Could you elaborate on how well these sound and play from the waterfall keyboard?
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#2893600 - 12/01/17 04:07 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: allan_evett]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett
Haven't played an NE5 action, but I can compare the VR-730 action to my SK1. I much prefer the VR-730 action, especially for piano tones.


That's a useful reference. For piano, I thought the SK1 was passable for band work, but just barely. Good to know the VR surpasses it.
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#2893663 - 12/02/17 09:26 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
I really appreciate the mini-review Allen! This keyboard is currently on my sub-$1500 'short list', along with the Kurzweil SP6. As soon as Sweetwater gets an SP6 in-house I plan to head there for an afternoon of hands-on playing time evaluation. i understand that the VR-730 has several additional new voices from the RD-2000. Could you elaborate on how well these sound and play from the waterfall keyboard?


Star Guy, It will be interested to get your impressions of the VR-730, once youíve gotten some hands-on time with it.

Regarding the additional voices (beyond the VR-09 sound set): There are two versions of the V Grand from the RD-2000, and having 10 levels of ĎInitial Touchí - VR-speak for velocity - is a plus, in that individual players should be able to find their Ďsweet spotí in the action. So far Iíve been using Levels 9 and 10, on the most sensitive end of the scale. Itís about the same as the fingers-to-ears connection of the JP-50ís action, as used with its SuperNatural pianos.
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#2893671 - 12/02/17 10:10 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: allan_evett]
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Korg Vox continental 73 looks tempting.
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#2893678 - 12/02/17 11:54 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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Not sure about the new ones, but the VR09 does actual swells; overdrive ramps up with the volume. Ended up using Yamaha FC7 with an Ashby adapter (unfortunately out of production) as I just could not get decent amounts of throw with Roland's EV5 or M-Audio's EX-P and the small amount of control seemed jittery and difficult to set. Recently, my 2nd Yami in 20 years broke and was pleased to find that Behringer's FCV100 works nearly as well however only with the Ashby in line. Perhaps the new ones have addressed the foot-controller parameters?

I'm just a local bar band hack, but have been quite pleased with this little board. Four-and-a-half years of dirty bars, sunny weddings, hot festivals, dusty fairs, and damp pool parties, this light-weight keyboard has really held up well.
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#2893749 - 12/03/17 07:29 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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Originally Posted By: ApprenticeGary
Korg Vox continental 73 looks tempting.


How did I totally miss this keyboard? Indeed it looks like a worthy competitor for my needs. But the 73 is not available in time for my gig.

Is there a thread on the Korg Vox? I tried to search but maybe I'm not finding the right search terms, all I see are threads about the classic Vox.
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#2893756 - 12/03/17 07:46 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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#2893760 - 12/03/17 08:59 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: J. Dan]
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Well it's time for a new thread on that keyboard too!

I think the CX-3 engine might be considered a weak point, but only if you're holding this up against state of the art clones. As a do-it-all lightweight board dressed up in retro clothing, I think it looks pretty great. The tube could be a big plus.

OK, so it's a "Vox Continental," but I mean, they could has called it almost anything. . . a Korg Pianet, because it's got that sound engine on it too. I exaggerate, but only a little.

It's pricey, but maybe it deserves to be in the same price category as the Electro.
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#2893761 - 12/03/17 09:08 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Is there a thread on the Korg Vox?

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2877322/1
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#2893765 - 12/03/17 09:25 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Thanks, Scott. Looks like still no user reviews by forum members. The thread ends with Teashea saying he's posted a review, but I don't see it.

Like others, I was fooled into thinking it's dual timbral and it's not. Still, looks like a very cool board in its own right.
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#2893781 - 12/03/17 12:33 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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The thread ends with Teashea saying he's posted a review, but I don't see it.

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2887531
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#2893873 - 12/04/17 07:54 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: brenner13]
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I'm new to these forums and certainly wouldn't consider myself a keyboard player.... more like a user.
I haven't played live since the late 70s, except for a high school band reunion in 1996.
All of my playing now is done in my home studio, where I can quickly fix any strange sounding notes that might have gotten in the way while recording.
I am also new to Roland keyboards.... but I remember sitting down to an A-90 way back when they first came out and was very impressed by the keyboard action.

So for what it's worth, I am the happy new owner of a VR-730. I've had it a couple of weeks now and
really like the ability to change the action on the keyboard.
My fingers need lots more exercise to be able to play at the Initial touch setting of 10.
I am happy that I can lower that to where it is much closer to the touch on my Triton Studio.

As for the pedal, like Brenner13 I too am using a Yamaha FC7. It gets much closer to the Hammond EXP-100F pedal that I have for my XK3C.
Tried both the M-Audio and Ernie Ball 250K Mono and they don't come close to the FC7 for use with the VR-730, imho.
The reason I bought the VR-730 is to practice for a 51st year Reunion gig later next year...
based on how that goes I might consider getting out and playing live again... we'll see.

I also tried an SK1 first, but felt that the learning curve was going to be much longer with that keyboard as opposed to the Roland.
Also I feel that the Roland has better non-organ sounds than the SK1...
Because I have an XK3C my Hammond sounds are already taken care of.

There are a few software problems that I'm having but the only real concern is that it appears that recording with the VR-730 into my sequencer, Cubase,
may be not quite as easy as turning a Local On switch Off like it is with my Korg.
I am having problems recording organ swells.... and awaiting Roland support's answer on how to use the VR-730 with Cubase,
as there appears to be, hopefully not a Rubik's cube solution to this problem.

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#2894005 - 12/05/17 12:43 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: DannyDep]
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Originally Posted By: DannyDep

There are a few software problems that I'm having but the only real concern is that it appears that recording with the VR-730 into my sequencer, Cubase,
may be not quite as easy as turning a Local On switch Off like it is with my Korg.
I am having problems recording organ swells.... and awaiting Roland support's answer on how to use the VR-730 with Cubase,
as there appears to be, hopefully not a Rubik's cube solution to this problem.


The VR is a simple bitimbral keyboard (bitimbral meaning it produces not more than two sounds at once). It's a simple setup with cubase because you cannot create complex songs on the midi level.
If you want to record midi, you don't need to turn local keyboard control off. There is also a way to tell cubase not to pass the notes back to the keyboard when you play. I don't use cubase at this time but I think you simply need to turn the monitor function off. It should be right there in the track where you solo/mute/set record.
Since the keyboard is bitimbral, you anyway need to record everything as audio to free the keyboard up for new tracks.

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#2894151 - 12/05/17 03:30 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: mojkarma]
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My new 730 is in the mail and I already have a problem. Was excited to review all the available axial sounds for it and have the ones I like waiting to install, but find the Axial site totally confusing.

The page seems to be divided into collections per model and the VR-09 only has one choice - 'Cover Band Collection'.

Click on that and you get a page where you can download Cover Band but seemingly also preview any of the following in it... 'Lead - Organ - Pop - Rock - Synth'.

Click on Lead, you go to a japanese site with 20 collections similar to the ones you DIDN'T have a choice of if you first chose VR-09 in 'select your synthesizer'.

And you can keep going in circles from there.

Bottom line, does anyone know what Collections or sounds from the Axial site are available to download into your VR-09/730? Boy would it be disappointing if only that one collection was the only one, seemingly the only one with a little picture of the VR-09 as being compatible with.

Thanks in advance!


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#2894169 - 12/05/17 05:17 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: wcsound]
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Did they put vibrato on the percussion like the VR-09 has?

If so, I'd still like to find an affordable VK8m module, one of the best pieces of gear Roland ever put out ( for those who like the VK organ engine concept.)

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#2894172 - 12/05/17 05:58 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Did they put vibrato on the percussion like the VR-09 has?

If so, I'd still like to find an affordable VK8m module, one of the best pieces of gear Roland ever put out ( for those who like the VK organ engine concept.)



That was one of my favorites, as well. I gigged with a Triton Extreme 76 / VK8m combination for several years. I saw a few VK8m modules on reverb.com today..
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#2894175 - 12/05/17 06:14 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: LX88]
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Did they put vibrato on the percussion like the VR-09 has?


This has been fixed with the latest firmware. No more warbley perc.
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#2894197 - 12/05/17 08:46 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: brenner13]
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Well I ordered a Vox Continental. The VR730 might be a more logical choice, but I just couldn't get excited about it. I think the Vox is going to be one of those keyboards that, despite its functional shortcomings, can get you excited about playing something that feels like a real instrument. We'll see.

That the Vox can't do splits is a major shortcoming, but I've always been ambivalent and splits anyway. Is it worth the convenience of one board to be compromising either piano or organ action? I'm never able to resolve that debate for myself. My plan, for now , is to use a Vox + RD64 on gigs but bring only the Vox to rehearsal.

I'll report on the VOX in a week or so.
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#2894205 - 12/05/17 10:04 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Well I ordered a Vox Continental.


It's 1966 all over again ! My second keyboard and first upgrade over a really funky Wurlitzer my Mom bought for me that I seem to remember being $100.

The Sweetwater demo sounds great ! A bit of an SV-1/Grandstage vibe, which I guess is no surprise.


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#2894212 - 12/06/17 12:34 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: LX88]
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Originally Posted By: LX88
Did they put vibrato on the percussion like the VR-09 has?

If so, I'd still like to find an affordable VK8m module, one of the best pieces of gear Roland ever put out ( for those who like the VK organ engine concept.)





FYI, the "C/V applied to percussion" bug was fixed in firmware update version 1.12 by Roland for the entire current V-Combo series.
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#2894460 - 12/07/17 07:12 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
Originally Posted By: ApprenticeGary
Korg Vox continental 73 looks tempting.


How did I totally miss this keyboard? Indeed it looks like a worthy competitor for my needs. But the 73 is not available in time for my gig.

Is there a thread on the Korg Vox? I tried to search but maybe I'm not finding the right search terms, all I see are threads about the classic Vox.



I did a review of mine, which I posted here. It is a terrific machine. Solid build quality and excellent sounds with a very good layout.
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#2898420 - 12/28/17 07:44 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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Anyone knows if there is an instrument definition file for VR-730/VR-09b including the hidden Atelier sounds?

Does anyone knows the key width of VR-730. Is the octave 165mm as for standard piano or is it 160mm as for some other Roland (and all Yamaha) synth type keys (is the VR-09 165mm or 160 octave width?)

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#2898447 - 12/29/17 05:15 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Nils_O]
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The VR730 seems quite nice but it is not in the same place an and Electro 5. First, it is plastic...... Actually that is enough to knock it out of contention.
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#2898450 - 12/29/17 05:22 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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Slightly OT but have just been offered an Electro 5D 73 for about £1100 ($1400).

Seems like a great deal but does anyone think it might be supplanted at NAMM? (I realise the Stage 3 is already out there - different beast...and price!)

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#2898456 - 12/29/17 06:04 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: allan_evett
Haven't played an NE5 action, but I can compare the VR-730 action to my SK1. I much prefer the VR-730 action, especially for piano tones.


That's a useful reference. For piano, I thought the SK1 was passable for band work, but just barely.

Out of the box, I found the SK1 action terrible for piano, but it gets much more usable if you set it for "velocity offset +10" or thereabouts. At least for me.

As for the general question of VR730 vs Electro, since the VR730 is essentially a slightly updated VR09, most of what I said in that comparison would still be relevant (though there has been some update to the organ engine and, of course, the action)... http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2847121/Nord_Electro_5D_vs_Roland_VR_0
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#2898457 - 12/29/17 06:05 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Marillo]
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#2898459 - 12/29/17 06:07 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: WesG]
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Stuff doesn't get bad just because something else exists.

Agreed. I think the concern would be that value would drop, so what seems like a killer price today might not look so great a month from now.
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#2898469 - 12/29/17 06:51 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Given that the 5D73 MAP is currently $2500 (of course it can be had for a better price), Iíd still say that $1400 equivalent is a good deal.

With regard to whatís around the corner, very few actually know. Does the 5D73 do what you want/need it to do? If so, then itís a good purchase right now.

I would speculate that Nord is having a pretty good run with the Electro 5 right now, and that we wonít see a successor this coming year. The Stage may be their flagship, but I believe the Electro is their volume seller. And even though updates have become more frequent in recent years, Nord is not exactly notorious for short product lifecycles.

With the Electro 3 and 4, users were clamoring for features that are now in the Electro 5. I donít read a lot about Electro wish list items outside of better synth controls e.g., filter control, pitch stick, mod wheel, etc. I doubt Nord will add those features to the the Electro because a) thatís not the product categorization and b) it moves the Electro too far into Stage territory.

If anything, the next Electro may inherit some of the Stage 3 features such as the piano filters, larger piano memory and new sample format. Just guessing.

And even if they do succeed the Electro 5, itís still a great instrument. And arguably superior to the VR730 in many ways.
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#2898554 - 12/29/17 04:54 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Well I ordered a Vox Continental. The VR730 might be a more logical choice, but I just couldn't get excited about it. I think the Vox is going to be one of those keyboards that, despite its functional shortcomings, can get you excited about playing something that feels like a real instrument. We'll see.

That the Vox can't do splits is a major shortcoming, but I've always been ambivalent and splits anyway. Is it worth the convenience of one board to be compromising either piano or organ action? I'm never able to resolve that debate for myself. My plan, for now , is to use a Vox + RD64 on gigs but bring only the Vox to rehearsal.

I'll report on the VOX in a week or so.



I think you will like the Vox. I have a high opinion of mine. The build quality is excellent - metal instead of plastic like the Roland. The sounds are quite good and the controls are so intelligently designed. It is a wonderful instrument. I did post a pretty lengthy review here but don't have time to search for it now.
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#2898556 - 12/29/17 04:58 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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Teashea, I thought for sure you had picked the Dexibell Combo J7 after posting a few weeks ago... did you wind up with the Korg VOX?

How do those two compare?
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#2898614 - 12/30/17 05:09 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Teashea, I thought for sure you had picked the Dexibell Combo J7 after posting a few weeks ago... did you wind up with the Korg VOX?

How do those two compare?


I have two Dexibell Combo J7's and the Vox Continental ---- (and some other combo/stage keyboards).
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#2898660 - 12/30/17 09:15 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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Originally Posted By: teashea
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Teashea, I thought for sure you had picked the Dexibell Combo J7 after posting a few weeks ago... did you wind up with the Korg VOX?

How do those two compare?


I have two Dexibell Combo J7's and the Vox Continental ---- (and some other combo/stage keyboards).


Hi Teashea, Please let us know your experience with and between the Dexibell Combo J7 & the Vox Continental. Specifically compare: overall sound quality, instrument and FX/Rotary sim sound quality, user interface (performance, quick edits and deep programming), keyboard feel, build quality and various pros/cons of each. Thanks!

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#2898769 - 12/31/17 06:56 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Well I ordered a Vox Continental.


It's 1966 all over again ! My second keyboard and first upgrade over a really funky Wurlitzer my Mom bought for me that I seem to remember being $100.

The Sweetwater demo sounds great ! A bit of an SV-1/Grandstage vibe, which I guess is no surprise.



You are correct. The sounds are essentially identical. The Grandstage is somewhat more powerful in terms of polyphony but the basic electronics and software are the same.
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#2898771 - 12/31/17 07:14 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Cybersoniq]
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Teashea, I thought for sure you had picked the Dexibell Combo J7 after posting a few weeks ago... did you wind up with the Korg VOX?

How do those two compare?


I have two Dexibell Combo J7's and the Vox Continental ---- (and some other combo/stage keyboards).


Hi Teashea, Please let us know your experience with and between the Dexibell Combo J7 & the Vox Continental. Specifically compare: overall sound quality, instrument and FX/Rotary sim sound quality, user interface (performance, quick edits and deep programming), keyboard feel, build quality and various pros/cons of each. Thanks!



Well that is a great comparison. They are very similar. They are both organ based combos. Both has semi weighted keybeds that are both quite good to me.

The build quality on both is excellent --- very solid feeling with metal construction and very fine attention to details. I do not like the knobs on either and replaced them with Chroma Caps (as I do on many of my synths and digital organs).

The drawbars are very different. The Vox uses touch sensitive led strips which are quite easy to use and quick acting. They show exactly what is playing. I have never had led strips on anyother keyboard and did not know if I would like them, compared to drawbars or sliders - but I do. They also serve multifunctions such as an equalizer ---- nice.

The J7 has motorized faders - which are fabulous. They are quite satisfying to use, feel great and show exactly what is going on. I don't know why more manufacturers don't use them.

Both the Vox and J7 are oriented toward panel control instead of menus - which I really like. The J7 does have a screen and has the ability to tweak various parameters. For example there are several parameters for the Leslie effect. The tweakability of the Vox are much more limited.

The Hammond organ sound on both - very good but not quite up there with the top tier like a Mojo, Legend or XK5. I would generally say that the differences are in the range of being subjectively different rather than one being objectively better than the other.

The Leslie effect of the Vox is quite nice to me - probably better than the J7 but the J7 has several parameters are are adjustable.

The piano for the J7 is the same all the other Dexibelles. It has samples that are up to 15 seconds long. Dexibelle has the best piano of anyone of the boards I have. The Vox is the same piano as the Grand Stage - which is very very good.

Other sounds on both are quite nice. Well done all the way around.

The Vox has a tube for distortion - quite tasty. The J7 has more sounds.

The controls on both are very well thought out and easy to use.

By objective measures they are both up there with each other. It really comes down to subjective opinions.

One more thing - (very subjective). The stand with the Vox is so ugly that I gave it away without even opening it.
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#2898772 - 12/31/17 07:19 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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The sounds are essentially identical. The Grandstage is somewhat more powerful in terms of polyphony but the basic electronics and software are the same.

They have plenty in common, but also plenty of differences. 10.5 GB of sample data in the VC, 19 GB in the GS. VC has the tube, GS does not. 9-band EQ vs. 3-band w/sweepable mid. 150 factory sounds vs 500 (and 16 user presets vs. 64). GS has the full split function. In short, there are plenty of ways these two boards can sound different from each other.
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#2898803 - 12/31/17 09:51 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Interesting, the Dexibell is yet another Electro competitor I was not aware of when I started this thread. Looking at some YouTube videos, I think it sounds extremely good. But I'd say the strength of the Vox relative to the Dexibell is in it's functions for live performance. For instance, the Dexibell lacks a pitch bend lever and changing leslie speeds means reaching for a small button sandwiched between other buttons (though maybe you can program a pedal for that, but I can't tell from online info).
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#2898807 - 12/31/17 10:11 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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Been watching it closely since announcement:
Initial thread here:
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2841193/Dexibell_Combo_J7
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#2898824 - 12/31/17 12:42 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I gotta add my voice to those who say the leslie sim and overdrive on the J7 are disappointing. Useable, yeah, I think so, but this is obviously supposed to be a B3-centered keyboard. The B3/leslie emulation should be in the same league as the best clones, but I think the Leslie sim falls pretty far short.
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#2898827 - 12/31/17 01:21 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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And yet, there's multi style demos rock to jazz by Ralf Schink that the J7 is doing a great job on. Abrama Riti on the other hand has a very different playing and timbre going from what a lot of US guys dig from their organ.

The J7 is cool, worthy effort out the gate. They'll tweak as user feedback comes in. It's not for me because other than the acoustic piano the other tones aren't that great and there's no synth. Other than the Stage 3 and Gemini card in the DMC-122 who has a programmable synth on their organ centric instrument? For acoustic and electric pianos I rather play a weighted action keyboard.
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#2898829 - 12/31/17 01:35 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Other than the Stage 3 and Gemini card in the DMC-122 who has a programmable synth on their organ centric instrument?

Roland VR-09/VR-730 though you need an iPad to program the synth... though at that point, you could arguably just use any of a zillion iPad synths. ;-) The FA-06/07 is the reverse... it has on-board synth editing, but you lose the real-time drawbar control without an add-on. There's the often-overlooked cool Casio XW-P1 though the organ is just okay (and the overdrive is awful). Also Kronos and some of the Kurzweils.
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#2898831 - 12/31/17 01:43 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'll admit I didn't listen to more than a couple videos. The Leslie might sound better with tweaking, I don't know. The overdrive probably not.

Definitely a "worthy effort out of the gate." Including stuff like sax while sort of neglecting synth abilities is kind of an odd design choice, imo, leaning more towards workstation than performance keyboard.

The Vox isn't as deep or diverse but it implements a clear design vision as a performance keyboard, that's what I like about it.


Edited by Adan (12/31/17 01:46 PM)
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#2898841 - 12/31/17 02:48 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Other than the Stage 3 and Gemini card in the DMC-122 who has a programmable synth on their organ centric instrument?

Roland VR-09/VR-730 though you need an iPad to program the synth... though at that point, you could arguably just use any of a zillion iPad synths. ;-) The FA-06/07 is the reverse... it has on-board synth editing, but you lose the real-time drawbar control without an add-on. There's the often-overlooked cool Casio XW-P1 though the organ is just okay (and the overdrive is awful). Also Kronos and some of the Kurzweils.


Very true regarding the VR-09/730 and iPad editing AND that if you're going to bring the iPad anyway to program, you may as well use it as synth. But I do like things simple - program at home! lol Once you drop certain ergonomics of the organ including drawbars, dedicated great feeling switches/buttons for CV, Leslie control and even design/look choices for me you can get too far away from the organ-ness. So it's a tricky bit of business designing an instrument that doesn't go too far into workstation/computer feeling.
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#2898848 - 12/31/17 03:28 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Once you drop certain ergonomics of the organ including drawbars, dedicated great feeling switches/buttons for CV, Leslie control and even design/look choices for me you can get too far away from the organ-ness. So it's a tricky bit of business designing an instrument that doesn't go too far into workstation/computer feeling.

That's true. But my Artis7 feels a lot more like a clonewheel since I put OB Dave's drawbar caps on the faders! They work on a Kronos, too, though the Kurz has better implemented semi-dedicated organ buttons (i.e. percussion, C/V).
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#2898865 - 12/31/17 06:14 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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The Artis7 is a great pick for a top tier board, even one board gigs in a pinch. Made even more palatable for an vibing organ junky with the drawbar caps and spring swap you did (I've passed on older Electros because of that tight feel and lack of a synth). I wish they'd have considered the waterfall key style as well. Sheesh, that would have done it for me, ding. Not to mention the great preset work they've done all around but also on the KB3. As you know, I compromised (for the time being) on the VR-700 it checked all my boxes but a synth - but enough sampled presets to fake it till I make it. I'm still hoping for Crumar to go 73/76k on a new Mojo and turn on all engines from the Gemini (especially the VA synth). Need to see how decent the action on the VR-730 is too.

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#2898872 - 12/31/17 08:48 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
The Artis7 is a great pick for a top tier board, even one board gigs in a pinch. Made even more palatable for an vibing organ junky with the drawbar caps and spring swap you did (I've passed on older Electros because of that tight feel and lack of a synth). I wish they'd have considered the waterfall key style as well. Sheesh, that would have done it for me, ding. Not to mention the great preset work they've done all around but also on the KB3. As you know, I compromised (for the time being) on the VR-700 it checked all my boxes but a synth - but enough sampled presets to fake it till I make it. I'm still hoping for Crumar to go 73/76k on a new Mojo and turn on all engines from the Gemini (especially the VA synth).



The Artis 7 is my most recent keyboard. A very solid piece. It reminds me a lot of the Dexibell Stage S3. The Artis 7, however, adds the 9 sliders that really add to the usability as a Hammond clone. It is very easy to access the sounds. One does have to use the screen to set up multis (ie layers and splits) but it is easy and quick.

By hooking up a computer, it is possible to do some very heavy and deep editing of just about everything, including all the sounds.

The sounds do not have wide diversity within categories but are good quality. What I mean is that the sounds have a lot of similarity to each other within categories. There are more of them than with a Dexibell S3 but the Dexibell sounds are certainly as diverse.

There are a bunch of options in this area of stage organ/pianos. All the ones I am familiar with are good. No bad choice. I don't know much about Rolands - my personal bias against plastic construction.




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#2898889 - 01/01/18 06:24 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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The Artis 7 is my most recent keyboard....The keyboard is hammer action, so not ideal for organ but good for piano oriented playing.

Are you sure you got the 7? It does not have a hammer action. Though it is more piano-friendly than most non-hammer actions are (and certainly more organ friendly than actual hammer action boards). Though also, as alluded to earlier, I have lighter springs in mine, which I prefer.

Originally Posted By: teashea
The sounds do not have wide diversity within categories but are good quality. What I mean is that the sounds have a lot of similarity to each other within categories.

Not immediately apparent (and a big selling point which I think Kurzweil was remiss to not promote, as it's not mentioned on their product page or in the manual) is that you can load in any of the 1000+ PC3 programs (up until you fill the 256 user slots, anyway), so you can have a much wider range of sounds if that's what you're after. The sounds can be downloaded from http://www.soundtower.com/artis/index.html - scroll down and look for the file: PC3_LE_Library.ZIP and use the free editor on that same page to load them in.
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#2898902 - 01/01/18 08:01 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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The Artis 7 is my most recent keyboard....The keyboard is hammer action, so not ideal for organ but good for piano oriented playing.

Are you sure you got the 7? It does not have a hammer action. Though it is more piano-friendly than most non-hammer actions are (and certainly more organ friendly than actual hammer action boards). Though also, as alluded to earlier, I have lighter springs in mine, which I prefer.

Originally Posted By: teashea
The sounds do not have wide diversity within categories but are good quality. What I mean is that the sounds have a lot of similarity to each other within categories.

Not immediately apparent (and a big selling point which I think Kurzweil was remiss to not promote, as it's not mentioned on their product page or in the manual) is that you can load in any of the 1000+ PC3 programs (up until you fill the 256 user slots, anyway), so you can have a much wider range of sounds if that's what you're after. The sounds can be downloaded from http://www.soundtower.com/artis/index.html - scroll down and look for the file: PC3_LE_Library.ZIP and use the free editor on that same page to load them in.


You are correct ---- semi weighted action on the Artis 7 - TP 8
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#2898906 - 01/01/18 08:08 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm glad I started this thread, it introduced me to 3 new keyboards. I didn't know about the Artis 7 either! This is what happens when you're busy changing diapers.

The Artis 7 looks like a great keyboard and a great value in the Kurzweil mold. I don't think it's a competitor with the Electro in the category of boards designed for live performance.
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#2898916 - 01/01/18 09:28 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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#2898919 - 01/01/18 09:42 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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You are correct ---- semi weighted action on the Artis 7 - TP 8

It actually says something for the quality of the semi-weighted that you found piano sufficiently playable that, even momentarily, you mentally classified it as hammer action. The keys are more piano-shaped than some others which could help with the illusion. But spend some more time playing organ on it... now that you "know" it's not a hammer action, I bet you find it surprisingly improved for organ. ;-)

Originally Posted By: Adan
The Artis 7 looks like a great keyboard and a great value in the Kurzweil mold. I don't think it's a competitor with the Electro in the category of boards designed for live performance.

It depends.

Electro has the edge in instant real-time tweaking with its dedicated knobs for various functions, but Kurz is more flexible and gives you much better ability to call up presets. Some live players are more on-the-fly tweakers, others mostly call up stored sounds. Both boards let you do both, but their strengths are on opposing sides.

For many, the most important part of real-time tweaking on these boards is the organ controls, and Kurz still gives you instant access to the 9 drawbar levels, the percussion, C/V. And with OB Dave's drawbar knob replacements which I mentioned, it "feels" that much more authentic. I do miss some Nord niceties though, like an equivalent to their sync/live buttons to instantly read the current drawbar positions.

Other than that, the Nord has better live effects manipulation, "hard-wired" envelope controls (albeit only two of them), the ability to more quickly manipulate either side of a split (albeit with fewer options), a setlist mode that lets you group together sets of up to 4 sounds, and the ability to load custom samples.

Kurz live performance advantages include better patch recall (10 Favorite buttons, plus you can get to any of 256 of your custom sounds with no more than two button presses, I think the Nord equivalent is 8 sounds within two buttons), and patch remain (especially nice if you're trying to use it as your only board), pitch bend and modulation wheels, extensive MIDI programmability (great for adding sounds via an iPad, for example), a complete VA synth including things like a mono mode and portamento (though most synth editing can only be done from computer). It's nice to be able to do a split with any sounds you want (instead of one of the two sounds having to be a piano or organ), and be able to put the split points wherever you want.

Operationally/philosophically, there is the difference between the Nord having a bunch of controls with labeled, dedicated functions, whereas the Kurz has sliders and knobs that can be programmed to do many more things, giving you more versatility but trading off instant simplicity. There is a lot you can tweak in real-time, but beyond the organ drawbars, you'd actually have to learn (or program) what those 9 sliders would let you do on a given program.

Nord and Kurz both have front panel EQ.

Really, they're both great performance boards. If I had to do a gig with just a single board, I might lean Nord if it was mostly pianos and organ, and lean Kurz if I needed a wider range of capabilities.
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#2898949 - 01/01/18 01:20 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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They actually compliment each other quite well, which is why I use both in my rig!

And I concur with Scott on the best use cases if doing a single 'board gig.

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#2898989 - 01/01/18 05:43 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: zxcvbnm098]
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And it is interesting that Jim Alfredson uses a Forte (which is very similar to an Artis in terms of panel layout and controls) with his XK5.
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#2898992 - 01/01/18 05:46 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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I must compliment AnoterScott for how gently his response was in correcting my mistake about the Artis 7 keyboard action. There are a lot of places on the web where such a mistake would draw fire and brimstone. You are a gentleman.
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#2898993 - 01/01/18 05:47 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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I gotta add my voice to those who say the leslie sim and overdrive on the J7 are disappointing. Useable, yeah, I think so, but this is obviously supposed to be a B3-centered keyboard. The B3/leslie emulation should be in the same league as the best clones, but I think the Leslie sim falls pretty far short.


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#2898994 - 01/01/18 05:48 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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AnotherScott what is you evaluation of the difference in sounds between the Electro 5 and the Artis 7?
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#2899007 - 01/01/18 06:44 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: cphollis]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
I gotta add my voice to those who say the leslie sim and overdrive on the J7 are disappointing. Useable, yeah, I think so, but this is obviously supposed to be a B3-centered keyboard. The B3/leslie emulation should be in the same league as the best clones, but I think the Leslie sim falls pretty far short.


At some point, one of these clone makers will embed a Neo Vent into their board, and rule the world!!!


There is at least one doing this!
http://www.magorgans.com
They stick the HX3 and a Mini Vent II into their custom order clones.


I started this thread two seasons ago before the Korg VOX and VR-730 were out.
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2751406/Portable_Organ_Review_Post_NAM
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#2899009 - 01/01/18 07:03 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2899232 - 01/02/18 06:54 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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AnotherScott what is you evaluation of the difference in sounds between the Electro 5 and the Artis 7?

As you might guess, each has sounds I prefer over the other. For example, I'd choose Nord for pianos and organs, Kurz for strings and synths. Nothing very surprising there. Though for some of the Mellotron sounds, I prefer Kurz. which might be unexpected. Sometimes my preference has at least as much to do with playability as sound. For Clavinet, I like the Nord's snappy lower release point. For harmonica, I like that the Kurz gives me a wheel to bend pitch. Other sounds are a mix, sometimes I have a clear preference, other times they are simply different but not necessarily better or worse. And some sounds would be better on a Yamaha or Roland. ;-)
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#2900806 - 01/09/18 06:45 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Has anyone compared the action of the VR 730 to the NE5D 73 semiweighted? So far, the 730 is excellent for organ and acceptable for AP. I am trying to decide if the Nord would be worth the money before my return period expires.


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#2900840 - 01/09/18 09:07 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Coker]
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In another forum, someone said that the VR730 used the Fatar TP8O, which is what Nord uses as well, though Nord springs it more heavily than most others, so it may not feel exactly the same.
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#2901240 - 01/10/18 05:21 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Played a VR730 today. I actually loved it. Organ wasn't Nord standard but throw a vent on it and bob's your uncle. Synth and pianos were typical Roland, get you through most gigs. Would work well as a poor man's Nord Stage.

Also piano wasn't effected by rotary when split or layered, contrary to what the other thread said.
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#2901245 - 01/10/18 05:43 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Nadroj]
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Played a VR730 yesterday. It didn't completely suck. Action was OK but not the butter I remember from the old version. Some actions are done logically with panel buttons, others are hidden in the menu.

Sounds are kinda second tier but OK. The VR was sitting right above a Nord and I preferred organs and pianos from the Nord (and I don't like Nord organs.) The Roland clav was pretty good.

Meh, but a definite step up from the VR-09, which feels like a toy.
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#2901252 - 01/10/18 06:14 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: mate stubb]
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Too bad ... I still maintain that the VK8m module is a good clone - with one reservation.

It does not come stock with the leslie sim by passed.

However, I had one with the sim bypass ( it can be done) and I swear that the " Vintage 1" setting had extremely good CV and overdrive.

But Roland doesn't seem to have progressed beyond that.

The VK8m is more than 15 years old I believe.

I don't get it ....

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#2901253 - 01/10/18 06:14 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: mate stubb]
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Also piano wasn't effected by rotary when split or layered, contrary to what the other thread said.

IIRC, that was specifically with organ on bottom, piano on top. Did you try that combo?

Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Played a VR730 yesterday. It didn't completely suck. Action was OK but not the butter I remember from the old version.

Old version, you mean VR700? Yeah, that was a nice action, and I could tell from the pics that the 730 isn't the same.
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#2901275 - 01/10/18 07:37 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Nadroj]
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Played a VR730 today. I actually loved it. Organ wasn't Nord standard but throw a vent on it and bob's your uncle. Synth and pianos were typical Roland, get you through most gigs. Would work well as a poor man's Nord Stage.

Also piano wasn't effected by rotary when split or layered, contrary to what the other thread said.


Try putting the organ in the LH, piano or synth in the RH, then turn on the rotary speaker effect. It covers the whole keyboard, and there is no way to disable it for the upper split part. Confirmed this with Roland corporate in December; and was told that there was no fix in the works (OS update, etc.). That split configuration is something I needed in a compact stage keyboard. It's unfortunate that the VR-730 has that limitation, as I liked the instrument, a lot.
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#2901276 - 01/10/18 07:48 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: allan_evett]
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Thatís a deal breaker for a few guys, Allan. Yourself included as suggested earlier. But not everyone has the same need to split with Leslie/Organ in left and piano or synth patch in right. However, the VR-09b and VR-730 also have not deviated from the 700 with regard to lacking a sub out or, if I understand correctly, you still cannot pan organ L and other layer or split R... so you canít externally Leslie just the organ when split that way either. So the issue is really mainly related to flexibility in Leslie routing when split or layered. On the other hand, as before, Roland has a budget friendly swiss army knife board in the VR-730 which is why people buy Roland - good value.
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#2901309 - 01/11/18 04:58 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: mate stubb]
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Mate stub, you played both VR 730 and Nord. Which Nord? Can you compare the actions?
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#2901318 - 01/11/18 05:35 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Coker]
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Action was very very similar to my Electro 4 SW. Might be the TP-80 too?
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#2901325 - 01/11/18 05:41 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Nadroj]
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I have a 730 boxed up and ready to return to Kraftmusic. Organ playing was fine, but couldnít make the AP feel comfortable. I wondered if the NE5D 73 might be better. However, if theyíre the same action, oh well.
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#2901334 - 01/11/18 06:44 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Coker]
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The only lightweighted action I am getting by with for AP and also for synth/organ sounds is the TP8 in the Artis 7. In contrast the TP8O in the Nord Stage 2 compact was dreadful for AP sounds.
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#2901366 - 01/11/18 08:13 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: TomKittel]
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Scott swapped his springs on the TP8 in the Artis7.
Iím of the same inclination.
Really donít enjoy to play AP/EP on the TP-8O.
This is definitely the case on the Electro. Terrible.
Semi weights that have been much better for me are VR-700 or if you remember XP-80.
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#2901377 - 01/11/18 08:33 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: TomKittel]
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I have a 730 boxed up and ready to return to Kraftmusic. Organ playing was fine, but couldnít make the AP feel comfortable. I wondered if the NE5D 73 might be better. However, if theyíre the same action, oh well.
Originally Posted By: TomKittel
The only lightweighted action I am getting by with for AP and also for synth/organ sounds is the TP8 in the Artis 7. In contrast the TP8O in the Nord Stage 2 compact was dreadful for AP sounds.

I thought the TP8O in the NS2 Compact was pretty unplayable for piano... but it is much better on the NE5D. Not ideal, but playable. Point being, even if you determine that the TP8O is awful for piano based on your prior experience with a TP8O (whether Nord Stage 2 or VR730 if that is indeed a TP8O), that won't tell you for sure that you would find it just as bad on the NE5D (or NS3).
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#2901414 - 01/11/18 10:22 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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The Electro over the VR-730 I played was a 5D. It was a bit stiffer than the Roland. Didn't necessarily feel like a Fatar action on the Roland, so maybe they are still making their own actions.

I wish it had the action from the VR-700. That one was special.
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#2901423 - 01/11/18 11:12 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: LX88]
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Too bad ... I still maintain that the VK8m module is a good clone - ...I swear that the " Vintage 1" setting had extremely good CV and overdrive.

But Roland doesn't seem to have progressed beyond that.

The VK8m is more than 15 years old I believe.

I don't get it ....

Yes, VK8 organ, VK8M module, VR700 all had much better overdrive than the current generation VR09/730 and FA. They had the COSM effects, which are gone. OTOH, IIRC, the VK8M by itself cost hundreds more than a VR09 or an FA06. The VK8 and VR700 were $2k+. So I think taking out the COSM and going with lesser actions was the trade-off for getting the price down.
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#2901424 - 01/11/18 11:13 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: mate stubb]
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The Electro over the VR-730 I played was a 5D. It was a bit stiffer than the Roland.

Not surprised, Nords seem to be a bit stiffer than anyone else's.
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#2901730 - 01/12/18 08:09 PM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Coker]
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I played the vr730 vs nord 5d73 vs vox73. For my money the roland keybed was the clear winner - weighty, but not stiff/spongey like the nord. I didn't like the keys on the vox at all (despite liking the rest of it) they were almost flimsy feeling - may have all been in my head though? And not that this should matter, but the roland keys seemed to be a 'better' grade of plastic and a much nicer colour (nicotine stained look)

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#2901772 - 01/13/18 07:17 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Eddie Edwards]
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I could be wrong, but I think the Vox has the same keybed as the Kronos 61. For me, it's the best unweighted keys for acoustic for piano I've played. Of course, that subjective. It's an extremely light action so in that sense completely unpiano-like, but it's predictable, expressive, and very adjustable. In contrast to, say, the VR-09, on which I can't attain any degree of expressiveness.

I've always had a serious problem playing AC on springy keys like the Electro. It's a shame because if not for that, the Electro would be my keyboard of choice for many applications.


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#2901782 - 01/13/18 07:35 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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I could be wrong, but I think the Vox has the same keybed as the Kronos 61.

The Kronos 61 is not waterfall shaped.

Originally Posted By: Adan
I've always had a serious problem playing AC on springy keys like the Electro. It's a shame because if not for that, the Electro would be my keyboard of choice for many applications.

Even though the Nord Electro 5D is pretty heavily sprung, I find it more piano-playable than the (also heavily sprung) Nord Stage 2 Compact. Still not ideal, but I was surprised at the difference. I'm curious to try the NS3 Compact.
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#2901808 - 01/13/18 08:48 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I could be wrong, but I think the Vox has the same keybed as the Kronos 61.

The Kronos 61 is not waterfall shaped.


True, but irrelevant. Keys are the same shape (more elongated than a Hammond organ), feel is the same, waterfall fronts make no difference for trying to use piano technique.
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#2901809 - 01/13/18 08:54 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: LX88]
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Too bad ... I still maintain that the VK8m module is a good clone - with one reservation.

It does not come stock with the leslie sim by passed.


It's easy to bypass the VK8M leslie. All you have to do is to send this midi sysex dump to the VK8M:

F0 41 10 00 4D 12 10 00 20 05 01 4A F7

To turn the leslie back on :

F0 41 10 00 4D 12 10 00 20 05 00 4B F7


Edited by U.Honey (01/13/18 08:55 AM)
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#2901816 - 01/13/18 09:26 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: Adan]
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I could be wrong, but I think the Vox has the same keybed as the Kronos 61.

The Kronos 61 is not waterfall shaped.


True, but irrelevant. Keys are the same shape (more elongated than a Hammond organ), feel is the same, waterfall fronts make no difference for trying to use piano technique.

Well yes, it could be a variant of the same action with differently shaped keys (and also no aftertouch). Along those lines, Busch mentioned thinking it used the same action as the Kronos LS (again, with differently shaped keys).
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#2901914 - 01/14/18 05:03 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: U.Honey]
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It's easy to bypass the VK8M leslie. All you have to do is to send this midi sysex dump to the VK8M:

F0 41 10 00 4D 12 10 00 20 05 01 4A F7

To turn the leslie back on :

F0 41 10 00 4D 12 10 00 20 05 00 4B F7


I remember doing that with my VK8M! I really was fond of that module, but I have often wondered if I was correct in remembering it sounding so good? At the time it was released the Nord's were way too expensive (I think they were generation 1 Electros?) which were unattainable.

When I saw a 2nd hand VR760 recently, I got very excited to try out that 'ol VK Organ engine again. After about 30 seconds of trying the different organ models I thought it sounded exactly like the VR09 organ. Definitely Roland has "their" sound.
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#2901921 - 01/14/18 06:14 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: iluvchiclets]
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#2901932 - 01/14/18 07:40 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: teashea]
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I would be excited about this if they have invested in a growing sample library and have added a good chunk of flash RAM to store it in. Or, provide software to make and convert our own libraries, use sFz or something real standard.

And have they I invested in a programmable synth engine? It wouldn't be expensive - so many out there now. Could snatch up some solo dev with a great iOS or VST engine and get it running on their hardware.
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#2901943 - 01/14/18 08:37 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Could snatch up some solo dev with a great iOS or VST engine and get it running on their hardware.

generally non-trivial
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#2901948 - 01/14/18 08:57 AM Re: Roland VR-730: Electro Killer or Wannabe? [Re: AnotherScott]
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True - unless he/she is good with programming for DSP.
But stranger things have happened ie. GSi got all his engines onto the Gemini.

Would be nice if SKx also "buttered" up its TP-8O like Mojo 61.

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