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#2888724 - 11/05/17 04:57 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Of all the musicians that made their way through the whole Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship family, bassist Jack Cassady seems to be the one who garnered the most praise for the musicians' community. Granted, Jack deserves all of it and then some, being one of the best rock bassists in music history, but it also means that some really talented people kinda fell through the cracks. People like Craig Chaquico, who just burns the living s*** out of this song.

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#2888766 - 11/06/17 06:02 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I don`t know about that-Craig Chaquico totally switched gears post-Starship, and went into the smooth jazz field, where his name recognition ensures plenty of airplay.
On that topic, some of you long-termers may remember Eumir Deodato`s epic piece `2001-Also Sprach Zarathustra`. The guitar on that song was by John Tropea. Some time later I ran across one of his albums on vinyl-I bought it both for the great cover and recognizing his name. There was a gorgeous version of Earth Wind and Fire`s `Can`t Hide Love` and other treats. Here you are-first, all nine minutes of `Also Sprach Zarathustra`:


Here is the version of `Can`t Hide Love`, from 1977:


Here he is kickin it in NYC just a couple of years ago:


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#2888925 - 11/07/17 04:41 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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There's not much talk or recollection of RANDY CALIFORNIA lately either. And it's made even sadder when I tried to find a decent clip of him but none could be found. frown

But having seen Spirit live a few times, I can say hearing Randy in that situation was something to behold. He'd cut loose more than he ever did on record.
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#2889485 - 11/10/17 04:58 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Folks also seem to overlook and forget about Grand Funk Railroad's MARK FARNER, who does a lively little solo in this, probably MY favorite by them.



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#2889504 - 11/10/17 06:19 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Frank Marino from Mahogany Rush. Frank was an exceptionally talented guitar player, but not a gifted songwriter. For instance, he could play just about anything Jimi Hendrix could play, but Frank couldn't create songs like Red House or Voodoo Child.
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#2889511 - 11/10/17 06:30 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Sharkman]
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Agreed, he was a fine singer as well. Despite his talk of `Taking JH to the next level`, he lacked the musical depth of the original.
That said, I REALLY liked this song...
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#2889635 - 11/10/17 02:46 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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HMMmm.........

Not only is Marino a sadly forgotten guitarist, his group Mahogany Rush is also pretty much forgotten. Heh....

Back in the late '70's and because of all the WOOD used in it's construction, my brother in law at the time named his '54 CHRIS CRAFT "Mahogany Rush". wink
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#2889718 - 11/11/17 07:04 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
+1 on Roy Clark Jim...excellent guitarist long before being on Hee Haw!

Here's my entry as most people just think of Charo as the cuchi cuchi girl, but she is an excellent guitarist:



cool

I think I was vaguely aware years ago that Charo was a guitarist but for some reason I only checked out her work a few years ago. Pretty impressive

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#2889725 - 11/11/17 08:35 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: bbqbob]
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+1 BBQ...I remember seeing her on a few TV shows back in the early 70's and she played a little guitar and sang (quite well in Spanish). I forgot all about her until quite a few months back we were talking with JuJu about some female guitarists that get recognition and naming some like Bonnie Raitt, Orianthi, Kaki King, etc., and someone mentioned Charo! So I went to YouTube and was quite taken with a lot of her guitar work especially in some of her Casino shows during this last decade or so...truly a talented flamenco/Latin nylon string guitar player. She's known around the world, more so than here in the US. thu
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#2889842 - 11/12/17 04:36 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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How about STEVE KATZ, co-founder of both Bod, Sweat and Tears and the earlier Blues Project? And with any luck, listen to his frantic solo about a minute or so in....


He's still chuggin' around here and there...
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#2889936 - 11/12/17 02:10 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Lowell George
One of pop music's most distinctive stylists.
His slide style was completely diff from the main schools of trad (Cooder), busy (Winter), melodic (Harrison).
LG played as little as possible to create the mood for a track, accentuating long sustained notes & a keening way-above-the-frets positioning.
His work was more like that of a synthesist than most guitarists.

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He was also one of pop's most sensitive writers & singers
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Hosting the Midnight Special / full show
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#2889998 - 11/12/17 09:56 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Lowell George popped into my mind a while back, but I have to say I really don't think of him as forgotten. Legendary, really, & well missed.
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#2890004 - 11/13/17 02:54 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I don't really think of many of these guys as forgotten. Probably because so many of my guitar heroes were never known to begin with .... But they played on everything. Like the great Louie Shelton





No shredding at all on this track but this guitar track is really hard to copy Louie's touch on. Especially the middle break.




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#2890012 - 11/13/17 04:31 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: CEB]
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Well I thought the idea was, guitarists who made an impact and then kind of vanished. A few of these listed don`t really fit that description.
Here`s one-I must confess, sometimes a little background muzak helps jog a memory.
Les Dudek-he was the hands behind the tasty playing on Boz Skaggs` classic `Lowdown`. I had his followup solo album `Ghost Town Parade` on vinyl. He was another guitarist who could also hold his own vocally.


I wanted to post `Central Park`, but the only vid I can find is a live version with awful sound. Bummer


Well now, look what I found-a live set from this past summer, starting with the very song in question:


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#2890013 - 11/13/17 04:32 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: CEB]
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All good additions to the topic. "Forgotten" guitarists however, are not really forgotten by everybody, but those whose names have slipped the consciousness of the larger number and also whose names, when discussions of "great" or just "good" guitarists come up get lost in the shuffle of the "usual suspects" like Jimi, Johnny, Chuck, STRV, EVH and such. And quite often, someone's "favorite" guitarist falls into that group. But at one time, these guy's names were on EVERYBODY'S lips, but over time for whatever reason just slipped away.....
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#2890017 - 11/13/17 05:12 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Your additions just slipped in a minute before my last posting up there Skip, but yeah, you put it good.

And too, THESE guys, who also share a birthday today!

John Hammond, who's 75 today....




Rogrer Steen, TUBES co-founder who's 68 today...




And Terry Reid too, is 68 today....




And Aldo Nova is the "kid", just 61 today. wink



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#2890064 - 11/13/17 10:51 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Happy Birthday, Aldo! Some of us have NEVER forgotten! like


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#2890085 - 11/13/17 12:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Did anyone remember if they forgot... or forget to remember... Steve Hillage?

He started out in the Canterbury scene of progressive rock. Did some time with Gong, playing space rock; lots of solo projects in the 70's and 80's, then did more producing in the 80's & 90's with the occasional solo project.


Lots of atmospheric pieces, with elements of Jeff Beck-ish blues-jazz licks and Andy Summers-like effects.

He has reunited with Gong and is touring with them now, from what I hear.

Live stuff from 11 years ago - still able to get it! nothing fishy going on here.


And back in the day covering Donovan



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#2890107 - 11/13/17 02:03 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Lowell George popped into my mind a while back, but I have to say I really don't think of him as forgotten.


Mention his name to most ppl, even most guitarists.
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#2890113 - 11/13/17 02:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Well, THIS guy is no doubt forgotten-----

Singer and guitarist MIKE McGEAR, real name MIKE McCARTNEY, younger brother of PAUL, who did this ditty back in '74....




He never really went anywhere after this, but I've always liked the tune.
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#2890116 - 11/13/17 02:38 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Uh, from the YT page for that track...Giving Grease A Ride by Mike McGear.
"Excellent guitar work by Jimmy McCulloch" (from Wings).
JM maybe be forgotten but he wasn't Mike, who's an excellent photographer but not much of a guitarist.
idk

Here's a cat who, maybe not forgotten, seems to be the next worst thing = unidentifiable.
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Mystery gtr absolutely burning jazz(dig the quasi-MidEastern line he reels out at 4:45)/funk/rock style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdDMGp8IS8
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#2890141 - 11/13/17 05:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
Uh, from the YT page for that track...Giving Grease A Ride by Mike McGear.
"Excellent guitar work by Jimmy McCulloch" (from Wings).
JM maybe be forgotten but he wasn't Mike, who's an excellent photographer but not much of a guitarist.
idk

Here's a cat who, maybe not forgotten, seems to be the next worst thing = unidentifiable.
facepalm
Mystery gtr absolutely burning jazz(dig the quasi-MidEastern line he reels out at 4:45)/funk/rock style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdDMGp8IS8


I’m 95% certain that’s Danny Johnson. The remaining 5% thinks Ruben De Fuentes.
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#2890176 - 11/14/17 05:21 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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All I know is that when looking up McGear/McCartney it claims that like brother Paul he plays both piano AND guitar.

I would have mentioned it was McCulloch on the guitar there, but I, uh....forgot! wink

As for that clip up there, Steppenwolf had so many changes it depends on when that clip was recorded as to who the guitarist might be. For all we know, it could be Kent Henry, or even Bobbie Cochran or Michael Palmer. Kind of a "revolving door" with personnel in that band.
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#2890271 - 11/14/17 01:11 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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+1 on Aldo Nova, Rory Gallagher, Terje Rypdal and Frank Marino.
I'll add Robby Kreiger, Al Di Meola, Randy Bachman, Robbie Robertson, Bill Connors, Donald Roeser (Buck Dharma), Tom Scholtz, Jan Akkerman, Mark Farner, Jeff Healey, Kerry Livgren, Gary Rossington, Mason Ruffner, Michael Landau, Rik Emmett, Roy Buchanan, Michael Schenker, Steve Morse, Alvin Lee and Tommy Bolin.
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#2890294 - 11/14/17 02:20 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Delta]
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+1 on Bill Connors.
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#2890306 - 11/14/17 02:51 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Good list Delta, although many on it haven't been forgotten. Not in here at least. Nor either among the general. And it also brings up not only the idea of "forgotten" guitarists, but guitarists many never KNEW were guitarists, or weren't as noted for being so in their career tenures. like......

Larry Knechtel providing that "wha" backing on this tune, that for a long time some thought David Gates was playing... frown


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#2890344 - 11/14/17 07:07 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

As for that clip up there, Steppenwolf had so many changes it depends on when that clip was recorded as to who the guitarist might be. For all we know, it could be Kent Henry, or even Bobbie Cochran or Michael Palmer. Kind of a "revolving door" with personnel in that band.
Whitefang


Besides checking out band membership timelines, I ran pictures of Steppenwolf’s guitarists through some proprietary facial recognition software using a still from the video.

(I froze the vid and looked at a LOT of pictures.)

Those were the only two who looked even remotely close.


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#2890375 - 11/15/17 02:21 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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One of the artists whom I really liked way WAY back in the early days of fusion, was Noel Pointer. Sadly he passed away at a young age, but he had a stellar array of guitarists helping out, including a few names that belong on this thread. It could also be on the `Importance of phrasing` discussion-someone-I don`t know who-had a brilliant way of using silence, between his solo riffs.
In my efforts to figure out who that person was, I ran into a few more memory-jarring and `whatever happened to` names-one is Eric Gale:


Oddly enough, while looking up this vid I ran across a blues player named Eric Gales, whom I`ve never heard of but highly recommend a listen-wow!

John Tropea whom I posted earlier, also appeared on a few of Mr. Pointer`s compositions.

A name that may have escaped even many in this worthy group-well I knew it was something like Trautman-I ended up watching Richard Crenna in Rambo.
Finally I found it-Ross Traut. I believe he was on some of Steely Dan`s songs as well, and has a sterling resume of appearances.
I recall seeing this album on store shelves-man, I should have grabbed it. Just have a listen to the first tune on this, you`ll see what I mean:


More lovely playing from Mr. Traut:






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#2890380 - 11/15/17 04:42 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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THANK YOU, Skip! Finally find ANOTHER who's heard of Noel Pointer! Dug him for many years too.

Two other guitarists that worked with him were---

HIRAM BULLOCK. Here groovin' on a JACO tune....




And BARRY FINNERTY:



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#2890393 - 11/15/17 06:18 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Pretty sure I mentioned Noel Pointer before, tho not so recently.
Anyway what a full house of guitar ferocity! but it does make it hard to pin down who played on a particular track.
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