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#2890018 - 11/13/17 05:19 AM "I'm not playing this wonky piano!"
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Thought I saw this here, but I guess not. Anywho, Elton had a bad moment during a show this weekend:


He had some choice words for the crew that came off a bit divaish, but I do like what he said to the audience:
"Sorry about this, but I can't play it when it's not sounding right,' 'I don't want you to have anything but 100 percent perfection here.'


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#2890024 - 11/13/17 06:33 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: #%$(#]
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#2890025 - 11/13/17 06:40 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: PianoMan51]
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Enh. Swearing at people and name-calling isn't cool, even if you are Elton John.
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#2890035 - 11/13/17 07:30 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: #%$(#]
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Originally Posted By: DulceLabs.com
Thought I saw this here, but I guess not. Anywho, Elton had a bad moment during a show this weekend:
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He had some choice words for the crew that came off a bit divaish, but I do like what he said to the audience:
"Sorry about this, but I can't play it when it's not sounding right,' 'I don't want you to have anything but 100 percent perfection here.'



he should have an arranger wink

anyway, shit happens. And he takes responsibility for stuff to work.

creative people typically show their emotions. I like that.

And Elton is successful, creative, etc, etc.

He praised the crew for fixing the problem.

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#2890038 - 11/13/17 08:15 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: GregC]
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He sounds so English!

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#2890044 - 11/13/17 09:03 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: nickd]
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Me neither.

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#2890060 - 11/13/17 10:34 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: Theo Verelst]
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What was the problem?
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#2890061 - 11/13/17 10:36 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: Jazz+]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What was the problem?


I guess you didn't notice ?

A 500 pound bear walked on the stage and sat on the piano bench wink


Edited by GregC (11/13/17 10:36 AM)

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#2890067 - 11/13/17 11:05 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: GregC]
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Since the tech was crawling underneath the piano, I'm gonna guess it was a problem with his MIDI setup. He's not on in-ears and he likes his monitor volume really loud. A mic'ed piano would feed back too much so he uses a MIDI9 key scanner to trigger piano sounds via MIDI. The triggered sample thing is something he started doing in the early 90s using a Gulbransen KS20 key scanner. (I wrote software for both companies).

It sounds like the damper pedal sensor got hosed up or out of alignment. On this system the sensor is typically mounted to the pedal lyre, not inside the piano, and the lyre and legs have to come off every time you move a grand piano. I am guessing the sensor got bumped out of position. During the dead time it sounds like everything he plays sustains, so that's another clue, and at one point he asks for "the normal piano sound." So I'll bet a beer on this one - MIDI sustain was stuck on because of sensor misalignment.


Edited by OB Dave (11/13/17 11:20 AM)

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#2890088 - 11/13/17 12:42 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: OB Dave]
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Nothin' like depending on software crazy
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#2890106 - 11/13/17 02:02 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: David Loving]
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Ha, well to be fair I think this was a hardware issue. smile

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#2890121 - 11/13/17 02:53 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: OB Dave]
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Thanks for that insight, OB Dave!

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#2890135 - 11/13/17 03:49 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: analogika]
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Using MIDI sustain..."MIDI sustain was stuck on because of sensor misalignment." "sensor misalignment", hardware? Nothing required by MIDI is hardware. The piano is hardware. you are just parsing words. If it weren't for using MIDI they would not need a sensor. wouldn't happen if they just mic'ed the piano.


Edited by David Loving (11/13/17 03:50 PM)
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#2890137 - 11/13/17 04:13 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: OB Dave]
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Originally Posted By: OB Dave
Ha, well to be fair I think this was a hardware issue. smile


I thought it was a ' temperament ' issue. The piano was not in a good mood that night wink

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#2890143 - 11/13/17 06:09 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: GregC]
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"Nothing required by MIDI is hardware. The piano is hardware. you are just parsing words. If it weren't for using MIDI they would not need a sensor. wouldn't happen if they just mic'ed the piano."

Right, but Elton John IS using MIDI; and as Dave (the person who wrote either the software required for this system or similar software) said, a sensor (which is hardware) is required by the system.

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#2890145 - 11/13/17 06:39 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: Jonathan Hughes]
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Huh. Apparently I've been doing it wrong all these years.


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#2890147 - 11/13/17 06:49 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: OB Dave]
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HA! Exactly.

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#2890151 - 11/13/17 07:35 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: Jonathan Hughes]
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Oh boy. And wanted this to be a happy thread. Well then.. YOU'RE ALL JERKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#2890156 - 11/13/17 08:43 PM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: #%$(#]
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He wasnít so bad about it. I was expecting some sort of blowout. That was nothing. The sustain was stuck, obvious why he didnít want to play a whole set like that.

Nothing burger.
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#2890198 - 11/14/17 07:35 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: MotiDave]
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Originally Posted By: MotiDave
Nothing burger.


Can I get large fries with that burger? laugh
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#2890206 - 11/14/17 08:27 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: Synthoid]
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Anyway Elton has long since foregone any pretense of not saying exactly how he feels about anything or anyone at any given time, of being polite and people-pleasing, you gotta love him!
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#2890211 - 11/14/17 08:53 AM Re: "I'm not playing this wonky piano!" [Re: richforman]
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It was a f*%$ing rock show yes? I can't think of a better or more appropriate place for a tiny bit of colorful language, especially since he made the audience and getting back on track the priorities.

The profanities were well timed, implying humor. More of a "busting their balls" thing than a "absolutely losing his marbles" rant. The crowd was eating it up, just a useful tool to help get through an actual train-wreck. I would be hard pressed to do half as well in the midst of a similar sh*t-storm!

Side note: To quote Weird Al, I would rather clean all the bathrooms in Grand Central Station with my tongue than have anything work-related to do with a hybrid acoustic/MIDI rig.


Edited by Dave Weiser (11/14/17 08:56 AM)

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