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#2889849 - 11/12/17 05:28 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
Hardware only.I tried with a Receptor and it wasn't a good experience. The hardware I have now does everything I need for the projects I'm in. That could change some day and maybe I'd do a Mainstage type setup but for now 2 or 3 keyboards is more than adequate.

It's exactly the "2 or 3 keyboards" part that pushed me to a laptop rig. I wanted one keyboard, small & portable, connected to one small (and very portable) laptop, with my choice of top-shelf sounds. Not to say the journey hasn't been without bumps but I wouldn't do it differently. I'm old, and remember those "multi-keyboards" days except in my day it was an OBXa, Yamaha CP70 and Rhodes. I know today's hardware boards are lighter, but they're not 9 lbs like my Roland A800! Shlep factor is not as high on my list as sound quality & playability but it's a very close second, and the older I get, the closer it gets to #1! smile

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#2889865 - 11/12/17 07:19 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
It's exactly the "2 or 3 keyboards" part that pushed me to a laptop rig. I wanted one keyboard, small & portable, connected to one small (and very portable) laptop
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9 lbs like my Roland A800

I think 61 keys for piano would be too irritating to me. I'd probably at least go up to a 76-key Yamaha Piaggero or an 88-key Numa Compact (the 2 has aftertouch), and add something like a Korg Nanokontrol if I needed more of a control surface.

What's the action like on the A800? I really could not play piano well from the VR-09/FA-06 or even the improved FA-07 because of how much more resistance there was in the rear section of the keys compared to the front. OTOH, the Jupiter 50 action does not have that issue, and so is more amenable to piano playing. How does the A800 fare on that front?
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#2889869 - 11/12/17 08:12 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: RudyS]
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Originally Posted By: RudyS
Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Hardware only, don't own a single soft synth. Not that they don't intrigue me...I look at Paich and Porcaro's rig with Toto and really dig what they are doing. Similarly, I am incredibly impressed with the rig our own EscapeRocks has put together. I simply have no time to take the plunge.


Do you have a resource on that toto rig? Im curious now.

Here ya go:

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#2889876 - 11/12/17 09:06 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: DanL]
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Hardware only for nearly 30 years....:-)
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#2889878 - 11/12/17 09:18 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
What's the action like on the A800? I really could not play piano well from the VR-09/FA-06 or even the improved FA-07 because of how much more resistance there was in the rear section of the keys compared to the front. OTOH, the Jupiter 50 action does not have that issue, and so is more amenable to piano playing. How does the A800 fare on that front?

I bought an A800 because I heard Rob (Reezekeys) play his so beautifully. He also has his sounds optimized and key velocity adjusted to his liking. Unfortunately, I had the exact problem you described and returned it. I have a 61-key Piaggero which I suspect has the same action as the 76-key Piaggero and am very comfortable with it's action. My theory is that most of us can get used to most actions if that's the action we mostly play on. For me, I mostly practice on acoustic piano so I have the need for an action that is similar. The Piaggero is and the A800 is not.

I continue to flirt with a laptop based rig but am struggling to find a controller I like. I did a blues gig a couple of months ago with my MacBook Pro and Electro 4D as a controller and was disappointed with the sound. For example, Ravenscroft didn't sound as good to me as the CP4. Never expected that. At this point, I've decided the laptop based rig is still worth pursuing if, for nothing else, portability. I've ordered a set of lighter springs from my E4D because I dislike it's stiff action. If I'm happy with this modification I'll use the E4D until something better comes along. I like that the E4D has drawbars and most of the controls pre-labled. If it works out it would be an expensive controller but it also has backup sounds plus I already own it. This could work! Just need to put aside some time to swap the springs. I selected springs that, as best I can tell, match the action on the Mojo (which I like).
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#2889882 - 11/12/17 09:27 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Electro 4D as a controller and was disappointed with the sound. For example, Ravenscroft didn't sound as good to me as the CP4. Never expected that.

I'm not totally surprised... a lot of what makes a piano sound good is its playability (velocity responsiveness) from the action, and while I never played the E4D, I thought the earlier Nord Stage 2 (SW) and Electro 3 actions were particularly bad for piano. E5D seems better, and someone reported that he NS3 feels better still.

Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I've ordered a set of lighter springs from my E4D because I dislike it's stiff action...I selected springs that, as best I can tell, match the action on the Mojo (which I like).

Where did you find the springs? I've been looking into sources for springs myself.
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#2889887 - 11/12/17 09:50 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I've ordered a set of lighter springs from my E4D because I dislike it's stiff action...I selected springs that, as best I can tell, match the action on the Mojo (which I like).

Where did you find the springs? I've been looking into sources for springs myself.

+1 smile

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#2889888 - 11/12/17 09:54 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Not insinuating folks dont already know this, but you greatly enhance the presence of your Native Synths & Samples just running them through a TC Fireworx especially if you use ADAT Out Of your Audio interface.

Theres a guy who uses an Akai Advanced 61 Controller and a laptop into a TC Fireworx that sounds great.
I first saw him 10 years ago with a KS-88 and the same rig.
Made me buy one, and I decided to add 3 more to Vocal automations and other chores like Drums, etc.

Omnisphere sounds fantastic, saw him last night on break.
Mostly Rock orientated music.
Stood by FOH. She commented how she never touched his Mix. Everyone else needed attention.
Hes knocking down doubles still for big bucks for years now.

Fun to see such mercinairies getting Fat...
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#2889890 - 11/12/17 10:02 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Is that with onboard audio chipset, or a USB or Thunderbolt audio interface?
Also, how old is the Mac and which AUs are you running?
Omnisphere and Keyscape are pretty resource hungry.
But there are lots of instruments that are much lighter.
Also, lay off Spacedesigner - very high cpu use at low buffer settings.


I have a maxed-out 13" touchbar MBP (3.5Ghz i7, 16GB RAM). I know most of the tricks for lowering the resources -- I'm not using space designer, Omnisphere, Keyscape, etc. I'm using an organ AU (VB3 or Blue3), Pianoteq, and sometimes a couple 'real' audio sources (vocal mic, guitar).

It's mostly the latency on the real instruments that I'm unhappy with. I want to monitor the processed sound (i.e., I don't want 'zero latency'). At 256, everything works but the delay is audible and throws off the groove between the drummer & me, and it's distracting while singing. At 128 the delay is gone for me, but the laptop can't hack it.

For the interface, I'm using either a little Focusrite 2nd gen, or a Behringer XR18. I can't detect a difference between the two. Are there other interfaces that may give me just a little less latency?

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#2889893 - 11/12/17 10:21 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: keyman27]
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Those AUs should really not be a tax on system resources at all and that Mac is plenty fast. If you're using VB3 with a 32bit bridge - remove it and see if that makes a difference. Check with the developer of Blue3 as well regarding how low they are able to push buffer on their test machines. Pianoteq is used by a lot of latency sensitive players and they like it, so I would need surprised that's the one. Do you find the instruments included with MainStage perform at lower buffer settings than the ones you've added?

Also, yes, the drivers for the interfaces you mentioned could be the culprit for not being able to push buffer down to 128 or lower. I'd be inclined to give the onboard audio a comparison test first - it might actually do better than the interfaces you have. And if you really want to go low latency one of the new thunderbolt interfaces like Focusrite's Clarett 2Pre which they say is delivering "ultra low round trip latency so you can use your DAW plug-ins for monitoring."
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#2889894 - 11/12/17 10:26 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Depends on the gig
My band is NE5+Yamaha reface organ

Other gigs is NE5 with Apple Mainstage.

In one band with mostly fly-in gigs, i don't use my hardware. There it's XV2020+Mainstage and a 88 piano as a piano/controller

As other member said, there should be another option to the poll for us using both worlds depending on the gig
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#2889897 - 11/12/17 10:51 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: yannis D]
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As other member said, there should be another option to the poll for us using both worlds depending on the gig

I know, lots of people will do different things for different gigs, which is why I asked what people use most often. Asking what people may *ever* use would be a different poll. ;-)
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#2889905 - 11/12/17 11:12 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: keyman27]
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I have a maxed-out 13" touchbar MBP (3.5Ghz i7, 16GB RAM). I know most of the tricks for lowering the resources -- I'm not using space designer, Omnisphere, Keyscape, etc. I'm using an organ AU (VB3 or Blue3), Pianoteq, and sometimes a couple 'real' audio sources (vocal mic, guitar).

It's mostly the latency on the real instruments that I'm unhappy with. I want to monitor the processed sound (i.e., I don't want 'zero latency'). At 256, everything works but the delay is audible and throws off the groove between the drummer & me, and it's distracting while singing. At 128 the delay is gone for me, but the laptop can't hack it.

Something seems wrong. I used a 128 buffer with no issues on a 2007 MacBook Pro that's with a Core 2 Duo processor - and my host software (Plogue Bidule) only used one of those two cores! I had several VIs going sample playback & synth stuff. No live audio going through though. Have you looked at your log files for any clues? Or maybe tried removing VIs one by one to see if any one of them is especially CPU-hungry?

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#2889907 - 11/12/17 11:27 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's exactly the "2 or 3 keyboards" part that pushed me to a laptop rig. I wanted one keyboard, small & portable, connected to one small (and very portable) laptop
...
9 lbs like my Roland A800

I think 61 keys for piano would be too irritating to me. I'd probably at least go up to a 76-key Yamaha Piaggero or an 88-key Numa Compact (the 2 has aftertouch), and add something like a Korg Nanokontrol if I needed more of a control surface.

What's the action like on the A800? I really could not play piano well from the VR-09/FA-06 or even the improved FA-07 because of how much more resistance there was in the rear section of the keys compared to the front. OTOH, the Jupiter 50 action does not have that issue, and so is more amenable to piano playing. How does the A800 fare on that front?

Action is pretty personal. I had the "advantage" of hardly ever playing an acoustic piano, so getting used to a synth action was easy. I like the A800 action. Al talks about different response near the end of the keys I have not noticed that but don't take that to mean that I don't believe him! I just genuinely haven't felt that since I've been playing it so long and have acclimated to it (I just started with my second A800. Also, as Al said I've spent a lot of time tweaking velocity curves and sample layer switch points). I can see how playing acoustic piano on an unweighted controller would be a drag for those used to the real thing. Then again I wanted to get it together with a 61-key unweighted action; I liked being portable, and felt that if I worked at it (and got comfortable with the octave-switch buttons, lol) I could make it work.

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#2889909 - 11/12/17 11:34 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Reezekeys]
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I don't gig with, but certainly used computers a long time for music making, and I'd say apart from the reliability matters, including being able to prevent loud sound excesses because of frozen computers and software glitches, often it bothers me that the sound of software isn't according to certain studio standards about acoustics and so on, as well as that there's not just the latency matter, but also the *constant* latency matter.

T.

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#2889913 - 11/12/17 12:04 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: keyman27
At 128 the delay is gone for me, but the laptop can't hack it.

Something seems wrong. I used a 128 buffer with no issues on a 2007 MacBook Pro...No live audio going through though.

Live audio (and the processing of it) could be making the difference. But one thing I would try would be to create a new User (very easy to do), and try running your software from there, just to rule out the possibility that you've got some other background processing going on from other stuff you've installed.
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#2889914 - 11/12/17 12:14 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: DanL]
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I went through a NativeInstruments phase, have Main Stage3(?), but reverted back to sola hardware. I thought gigging with software was an unreliable hassle.
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#2889916 - 11/12/17 12:20 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Moonglow]
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Originally Posted By: RudyS
Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Hardware only, don't own a single soft synth. Not that they don't intrigue me...I look at Paich and Porcaro's rig with Toto and really dig what they are doing. Similarly, I am incredibly impressed with the rig our own EscapeRocks has put together. I simply have no time to take the plunge.


Do you have a resource on that toto rig? Im curious now.

Here ya go:

Klonk Here


Thanks!
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#2889920 - 11/12/17 12:38 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: heavy_keys]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I've ordered a set of lighter springs from my E4D because I dislike it's stiff action...I selected springs that, as best I can tell, match the action on the Mojo (which I like).

Where did you find the springs? I've been looking into sources for springs myself.

+1 smile

The company is Syntaur. My contact is Sam Mims. I bought 61 springs for $42.55. Initially, Sam sent me samples. I then used coins as weights to figure out the force needed to depress a key on my Mojo and then swapped springs in the E4D until the force was matched (i.e., using the same set of coins as weights). It's my understanding that the Mojo and E4D use the same Fatar keyboard. So, I made the assumption that only the springs are different. I hope my assumption is correct. Next I need to install the springs which isn't difficult or very time consuming.
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#2889922 - 11/12/17 12:48 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
The company is Syntaur. My contact is Sam Mims. I bought 61 springs for $42.55. Initially, Sam sent me samples. I then used coins as weights to figure out the force needed to depress a key on my Mojo and then swapped springs in the E4D until the force was matched (i.e., using the same set of coins as weights). It's my understanding that the Mojo and E4D use the same Fatar keyboard. So, I made the assumption that only the springs are different. I hope my assumption is correct. Next I need to install the springs which isn't difficult or very time consuming.

Ah. Last I checked with Syntaur, they offered springs only for the TP8-based Kurzweils, which they specifically told me would not work in Nords (TP8O)... and besides that, they didn't even have those anymore. I guess they've gotten more/other springs since then (and maybe they were wrong about the spring interchangeability?).

Yes, springs among all TP8O models should be interchangeable. Though the springs aren't the only difference. I know that on the Numa Organ 2, not only do they use a lower tension spring than on the original, they also add a felt strip that raises the landing point (shortens the throw). But the spring makes the bigger difference.
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#2889948 - 11/12/17 03:11 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I just swapped the springs and am now happy with the action on my Electro 4D! I don't think Syntaur has experience with the E4D. Sam sent me several samples: some fit and some did not. I think we were learning together on this.

FYI, the springs I installed are Syntaur part number KYSP27. They're much lighter than the stock Nord springs.
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#2889952 - 11/12/17 03:46 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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#2889954 - 11/12/17 03:51 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I just swapped the springs and am now happy with the action on my Electro 4D! I don't think Syntaur has experience with the E4D. Sam sent me several samples: some fit and some did not. I think we were learning together on this.

FYI, the springs I installed are Syntaur part number KYSP27. They're much lighter than the stock Nord springs.



Whoa...very interesting. A nord electro would be almost perfect for me as an upgrade (in most ways) to my Roland vr700 (if I could sell it...), the action being one of the way it isn't an upgrade...and one of the main reasons I was hesitant on it. That's really cool to know you can change it.

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#2889960 - 11/12/17 04:27 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Stokely]
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This thread is awesome.

Using a laptop gives you infinite sounds -- at the price of occasional hardware hassles. Using hardware means predictable results, every time. Unless your board breaks, which rarely happens.

Even without going with aftermarket springs (!)
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#2889961 - 11/12/17 04:28 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Stokely]
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#2889962 - 11/12/17 04:29 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I just swapped the springs and am now happy with the action on my Electro 4D! I don't think Syntaur has experience with the E4D. Sam sent me several samples: some fit and some did not. I think we were learning together on this.

FYI, the springs I installed are Syntaur part number KYSP27. They're much lighter than the stock Nord springs.


very useful info.
what you're experiencing is less "tight and springy" than the stock spring?
also one of the reasons (aside from price) that I've passed on Nord Electro in general.
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#2889973 - 11/12/17 05:47 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yes, less tight and springy. I used the action on my Mojo as a reference when selecting the springs for the E4D.
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#2889975 - 11/12/17 06:02 PM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Yes, less tight and springy. I used the action on my Mojo as a reference when selecting the springs for the E4D.


Way cool. Although I'm happy with my stock E4D. For now, at least smile
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#2890164 - 11/14/17 02:46 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: yannis D
As other member said, there should be another option to the poll for us using both worlds depending on the gig

I know, lots of people will do different things for different gigs, which is why I asked what people use most often. Asking what people may *ever* use would be a different poll. ;-)



You're right
But for some people -like me- it's probably 50-50, so the notion of "most often" does not apply wink
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#2890169 - 11/14/17 04:03 AM Re: POLL: Gig with hardware, computer, or both? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: yannis D
As other member said, there should be another option to the poll for us using both worlds depending on the gig

I know, lots of people will do different things for different gigs, which is why I asked what people use most often. Asking what people may *ever* use would be a different poll. ;-)

I've always thought it a plus for a laptop rig that you can load it up with whatever VI & efx plugins you'd need to be covered for any gig. No need to think about what keyboards to bring or leave behind depending on the job. Minimal shlep, maximum sound that's what the laptop does for me. I just had to work at two things: being comfortable playing piano, synth & organ parts on my little unweighted 61-key guy, and getting creative with split points & transpositions for those times I need to cover more than one part simultaneously with my single keyboard. More work on the front end, big reward (imo) at the back end especially when I hear about my musician friends' back surgeries!

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