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#2888219 - 11/02/17 04:56 AM Forgotten guitarists...?
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List 'em here if you think of them. Those guitarists who made a kind of "splash" and then disappeared from sight and sound.

Two for me are JORGEN INGMANN, well known in Denmark as a jazz guitarist, who made a "hit" in the U.S. with his cover of The Shadows' "Apache" in '61

The clip I post here though is an example of what he was able to do otherwise and oddly, the video doesn't match the audio( odd clip). Inspired by Les Paul, Jorgen got into multi-tracking with his own studio built with LP's inspiration. He died just two short years ago. He does all the guitar parts in this clip:



My next entry is TRAVIS WAMMACK---
Still with us, but had a minor "hit" in '64 with this one---



But when guitar players past or present come up for discussion, these two never get mention.

Any others?
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#2888236 - 11/02/17 06:46 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Aldo Nova.



Exploded onto the scene with that video, did a few albums, then *pfft*
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#2888250 - 11/02/17 08:02 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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This is a list that could go way back but here's a semi-contemporary who not only defined much of modern rock but even directly inspired at least one of our greatest exemplars.

Jesse Ed Davis cool

His studio credits rival many from 1960's & 70's but most resemble Ry Cooder's, whom he succeeded in Taj Mahal's band.
In studio he played w/ everyone from Neil Diamond ~ John Lennon~ Eric Clapton~Rod Stewart.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xLluLQp6ms


Here he is inventing Duane Allman. Allman was a great guitarist but he & his career were defined by his discovery of Davis & thereafter adoption of slide gtr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va7elbEorxA



Here he is giving Jackson Browne a lift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsM7qCulsRM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xAVDJQPMI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHyC9qldYb4
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#2888267 - 11/02/17 09:49 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Maybe not forgotten but I do not hear his name much anymore Rory Gallagor (likely spelled wrong). Another one I always looked up to is rarely mentioned Roy Clark. Jim

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#2888280 - 11/02/17 11:32 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: jimmac]
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My old friend and mentor - Sam McGee

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#2888289 - 11/02/17 12:32 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: DocPate]
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+1 on Roy Clark Jim...excellent guitarist long before being on Hee Haw!

Here's my entry as most people just think of Charo as the cuchi cuchi girl, but she is an excellent guitarist:



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Edited by Larryz (11/02/17 04:29 PM)
Edit Reason: sp: cuchi
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#2888307 - 11/02/17 02:50 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

GROUCHO MARX
JIMMY CAGNEY
WILLIAM SCHALLERT
DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)
etc.
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#2888322 - 11/02/17 04:09 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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#2888328 - 11/02/17 04:24 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

GROUCHO MARX
JIMMY CAGNEY
WILLIAM SCHALLERT
DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)
etc.
Whitefang


Charo was famous for it (i.e. playing guitar that is, taught by none other than Andres Segovia)...here's an excerpt from Wiki:

"As a musician, Charo has performed and recorded in various styles for five decades. She released a series of disco recordings in the 1970s with Salsoul Records, most notably Dance a Little Bit Closer (1970). In 1995, her flamenco album Guitar Passion (1994) won the Female Pop Album of the Year award at the Billboard International Latin Music Conference and was named best female Latin pop album by Billboard. In an interview Charo said "around the world I am known as a great musician. But, in America I am known as the cuchi-cuchi girl. That’s okay because cuchi-cuchi has taken me all the way to the bank."

I think she's a good addition to this thread...
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#2888335 - 11/02/17 05:19 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Randy Jackson, with Zebra-specifically this song-
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#2888356 - 11/02/17 08:22 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
Randy Jackson, with Zebra-specifically this song-


Loved that band, that man, and that song.
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#2888363 - 11/02/17 10:59 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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#2888372 - 11/03/17 03:14 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
That's true, most people don't know that about Charo. I didn't either until just a few years ago.

But she would have been a better addition to a thread I attempted a few years back called "They also played guitar" about people who were famous for one thing but also were pretty good at playing guitar but never famous for it. Like:

GROUCHO MARX
JIMMY CAGNEY
WILLIAM SCHALLERT
DAVID CARRADINE(and brother Robert)
etc.
Whitefang


On that topic, the Bacon Brothers Band-as in Kevin and his brother-have been regulars around the Hudson Valley area of New York for many years:

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#2888378 - 11/03/17 04:56 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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OK, OK. I'll concede just a bit with Charo, even though she's not really a "forgotten" guitarist, at least not in the general public's view. Which is what I was sort of after.

I mean, in a guitar player forum most of these names AREN'T forgotten. But in a "Man on the street" sense, many have slipped people's minds. THAT'S what I meant. For instance, most, if not all, of us in here remember THESE two....but go out and about and ask around and you'll probably get blank stares. And THAT'S a shame....








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#2888380 - 11/03/17 05:01 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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I don't know if he's forgotten by those of us in our '60s, but maybe he's unknown to the younger set:
Amos Garrett; and also Otis Rush. Steve Cropper on all those soul records. And many others.
There are just not that many who are going to be remembered for generations after their mainstream careers are ended, unfortunately.
After all, Beethoven had many talented contemporaries, but how many of them are well known today?

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#2888384 - 11/03/17 05:25 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Well, LISZT, CHOPIN, ROSSINI and SCHUBERT come to mind, but I get your drift. There were more. But you gotta consider.....

The guys you mentioned were and STILL are well known among guitarists and even casual players, but were also, in their "primes", basically unknowns among the "mainstream" music audience, unlike EDDY, MACK, INGMANN and WAMMACK, who each had some level of "mainstream" popularity.
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#2888398 - 11/03/17 08:26 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Most here knew of Chet Atkins I'm sure, but among the most forgotten is his half-brother Jim Atkins who Chet admired.

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#2888444 - 11/03/17 12:25 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: DocPate]
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Brian Jones
He & Ian Stewart were the original founders of the Strolling Ruins.
While Mick'N'KR were tryna get a gig together BJ had been playing pro for a couple yrs.
In fact it was seeing him in action that set the other 2 on their certain blues, R&B path.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwc1X598ID4


Here he is helping break the band in the USA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvIIM2AZgCA


Brian introduces slide gtr to R&R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a3YjyOp8N8


He was by far (trailed by Wyman) the best musician in that band, w/ a grasp of instruments bordering on genius.

He wailed on harmonica at least as good as John Lennon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VWC1wi3weE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BcJaUYE5Jw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJXfcndyvU


Here he is breaking ground by plying a marimba on a pop record.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX6dM4eXdTw


He played on 1 or 2 Beatles tracks, "You Know My Name" (sax) & some credit him w/ the shenai on "Baby Yer a Rich Man" [ http://www.mojvideo.com/video-the-beatles-baby-you-re-a-rich-man/891dc870ac4bf73d0256 ].

But most of all he was a guitarist.
Here' he is laying his last track on slide gtr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rIqBeMZAMc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLJzU85_CYw
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#2888467 - 11/03/17 02:42 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Good point d. Brian isn't only forgotten as a guitarist but also a multi-instrumentalist and these days even as once a founding member of the Stones. And that just sucks.

I actually run across occasionally a few here and there that confuse Brian Jones with Zeppelin's JOHN PAUL JONES! And then some who thought the two were BROTHERS!

And I remember seeing that performance of "Paint It Black" on one of them ED SULLIVAN shows I threaded about. Cracks me up Brian's sitar doesn't have any STRINGS. grin
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#2888509 - 11/04/17 05:03 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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When I was in high school, this late great former member of The Lovin' Spoonful was thought of as SO "cool".

Sadly, never made it too far on his own....



Every time I see SLASH anywhere I think of Zal 'cause HE wore some odd hats sometimes too. wink
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#2888545 - 11/04/17 09:20 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Here`s a name I bet will stir up some sediment-Terje Rypdal.
He had killer chops before killer chops was a term.
He is still kicking it into outer space, most likely his
passion for putting electric guitar in an orchestral setting is why
he isn`t getting the attention he deserves.


Here`s a show from back in the day, with Miroslav Vitous and Trilock Gurtu-no more need be said.


Edited by skipclone 1 (11/04/17 09:39 AM)
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#2888549 - 11/04/17 10:30 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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Forgotten guitarists...? This maybe a little OT but I'm going to throw in guys like Jim Croce, James Taylor and Bob Dylan. They are very well known due to their hit songs (lyrics and vocals), but people forget what great guitar players they are. It doesn't take long to appreciate their chord work once you pick up a song book or two. The great singer songwriters out there (and there are many), using the guitar as their backing instrument, are forgotten maestros IMHO. cool
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#2888551 - 11/04/17 10:41 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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A great guitarist in a blah band - Vito Bratta.
Even at his most raging, the guitar just sang in his hands:




When the band's career came to a halt in the early '90s, he straight-up left the music business. I hear he went into the real estate biz.
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#2888555 - 11/04/17 11:12 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
Here`s a name I bet will stir up some sediment-Terje Rypdal.
He had killer chops before killer chops was a term.
He is still kicking it into outer space, most likely his
passion for putting electric guitar in an orchestral setting is why
he isn`t getting the attention he deserves.


Here`s a show from back in the day, with Miroslav Vitous and Trilock Gurtu-no more need be said.


He just got some coverage in one of the gtr mags I audit...back later w/ link.
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#2888595 - 11/04/17 02:52 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
Forgotten guitarists...? This maybe a little OT but I'm going to throw in guys like Jim Croce, James Taylor and Bob Dylan. They are very well known due to their hit songs (lyrics and vocals), but people forget what great guitar players they are. It doesn't take long to appreciate their chord work once you pick up a song book or two. The great singer songwriters out there (and there are many), using the guitar as their backing instrument, are forgotten maestros IMHO. cool


Heh! I thought of that briefly too, so let's go there as well. Right, those guys AREN'T forgotten EXCEPT for their guitar skills. Most people think of them in their singer/songwriting personas.

Like how many forget Bob Dylan's guitar skill AND vocal skill with this from his debut album?



Or Paul Simon's ability?




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#2888635 - 11/04/17 09:48 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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+1,000 on Paul Simon...he's the best of them all IMHO. If you lock yourself in a dark room and focus on the guitar parts of all of their greatest hits, you can't help but hear and appreciate a musical genius...at least I can't.

What happens when I am watching and listening to Simon and Garfunkel live, is I forget about Paul's guitar playing and get distracted. It's so much an integral part of the song that it just blends in and all of that beauty is flying by so fast in the harmony, melody, guitar work, lyrics, rhythms, etc., that I have to remind myself to focus on the guitar or I'll miss it... cool
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#2888652 - 11/05/17 05:05 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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like

That happens a lot with MANY others. wink

Now, another one "forgotten", or at least often overlooked even in here when the discussions get into the "greats". Which IS subjective, really...

Another one of my favorites with a favorite tune from one of my favorite albums. smile




Saw and met the man back in '73 before his recording career. Did a knock-out version of "When You Wish Upon A Star" that began and ended with so many "harmonic" notes played unbelievably rapid it still dazzles just thinking about it.
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#2888660 - 11/05/17 06:24 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Luther Perkins of the Tennessee Two (With Johnny Cash)

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#2888661 - 11/05/17 06:24 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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He's very cool and very smooth...If I could play like that, I would lock myself in a room and never come out till be fingers gave out! thu
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#2888689 - 11/05/17 10:19 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Y'know, whenever we talk about "slide" in here, we bring up Duane, Winter, Harrison and even Trucks.

But MATT ANDES never gets mention. SPIRIT bassist MARK's brother, listen to some of his work on a Jo Jo Gunne favorite of mine. wink


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#2888724 - 11/05/17 04:57 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Of all the musicians that made their way through the whole Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship family, bassist Jack Cassady seems to be the one who garnered the most praise for the musicians' community. Granted, Jack deserves all of it and then some, being one of the best rock bassists in music history, but it also means that some really talented people kinda fell through the cracks. People like Craig Chaquico, who just burns the living s*** out of this song.

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#2888766 - 11/06/17 06:02 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I don`t know about that-Craig Chaquico totally switched gears post-Starship, and went into the smooth jazz field, where his name recognition ensures plenty of airplay.
On that topic, some of you long-termers may remember Eumir Deodato`s epic piece `2001-Also Sprach Zarathustra`. The guitar on that song was by John Tropea. Some time later I ran across one of his albums on vinyl-I bought it both for the great cover and recognizing his name. There was a gorgeous version of Earth Wind and Fire`s `Can`t Hide Love` and other treats. Here you are-first, all nine minutes of `Also Sprach Zarathustra`:


Here is the version of `Can`t Hide Love`, from 1977:


Here he is kickin it in NYC just a couple of years ago:


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#2888925 - 11/07/17 04:41 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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There's not much talk or recollection of RANDY CALIFORNIA lately either. And it's made even sadder when I tried to find a decent clip of him but none could be found. frown

But having seen Spirit live a few times, I can say hearing Randy in that situation was something to behold. He'd cut loose more than he ever did on record.
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#2889485 - 11/10/17 04:58 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Folks also seem to overlook and forget about Grand Funk Railroad's MARK FARNER, who does a lively little solo in this, probably MY favorite by them.



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#2889504 - 11/10/17 06:19 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Frank Marino from Mahogany Rush. Frank was an exceptionally talented guitar player, but not a gifted songwriter. For instance, he could play just about anything Jimi Hendrix could play, but Frank couldn't create songs like Red House or Voodoo Child.
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#2889511 - 11/10/17 06:30 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Sharkman]
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Agreed, he was a fine singer as well. Despite his talk of `Taking JH to the next level`, he lacked the musical depth of the original.
That said, I REALLY liked this song...
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#2889635 - 11/10/17 02:46 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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HMMmm.........

Not only is Marino a sadly forgotten guitarist, his group Mahogany Rush is also pretty much forgotten. Heh....

Back in the late '70's and because of all the WOOD used in it's construction, my brother in law at the time named his '54 CHRIS CRAFT "Mahogany Rush". wink
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#2889718 - 11/11/17 07:04 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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+1 on Roy Clark Jim...excellent guitarist long before being on Hee Haw!

Here's my entry as most people just think of Charo as the cuchi cuchi girl, but she is an excellent guitarist:



cool

I think I was vaguely aware years ago that Charo was a guitarist but for some reason I only checked out her work a few years ago. Pretty impressive

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#2889725 - 11/11/17 08:35 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: bbqbob]
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+1 BBQ...I remember seeing her on a few TV shows back in the early 70's and she played a little guitar and sang (quite well in Spanish). I forgot all about her until quite a few months back we were talking with JuJu about some female guitarists that get recognition and naming some like Bonnie Raitt, Orianthi, Kaki King, etc., and someone mentioned Charo! So I went to YouTube and was quite taken with a lot of her guitar work especially in some of her Casino shows during this last decade or so...truly a talented flamenco/Latin nylon string guitar player. She's known around the world, more so than here in the US. thu
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#2889842 - 11/12/17 04:36 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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How about STEVE KATZ, co-founder of both Bod, Sweat and Tears and the earlier Blues Project? And with any luck, listen to his frantic solo about a minute or so in....


He's still chuggin' around here and there...
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#2889936 - 11/12/17 02:10 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Lowell George
One of pop music's most distinctive stylists.
His slide style was completely diff from the main schools of trad (Cooder), busy (Winter), melodic (Harrison).
LG played as little as possible to create the mood for a track, accentuating long sustained notes & a keening way-above-the-frets positioning.
His work was more like that of a synthesist than most guitarists.

Training lesson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDF4x1ICbkY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5J70ouitMM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1AWV3F8muI


He was also one of pop's most sensitive writers & singers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLNjHv51ZU


Hosting the Midnight Special / full show
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#2889998 - 11/12/17 09:56 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Lowell George popped into my mind a while back, but I have to say I really don't think of him as forgotten. Legendary, really, & well missed.
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#2890004 - 11/13/17 02:54 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I don't really think of many of these guys as forgotten. Probably because so many of my guitar heroes were never known to begin with .... But they played on everything. Like the great Louie Shelton





No shredding at all on this track but this guitar track is really hard to copy Louie's touch on. Especially the middle break.




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#2890012 - 11/13/17 04:31 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: CEB]
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Well I thought the idea was, guitarists who made an impact and then kind of vanished. A few of these listed don`t really fit that description.
Here`s one-I must confess, sometimes a little background muzak helps jog a memory.
Les Dudek-he was the hands behind the tasty playing on Boz Skaggs` classic `Lowdown`. I had his followup solo album `Ghost Town Parade` on vinyl. He was another guitarist who could also hold his own vocally.


I wanted to post `Central Park`, but the only vid I can find is a live version with awful sound. Bummer


Well now, look what I found-a live set from this past summer, starting with the very song in question:


Edited by skipclone 1 (11/13/17 04:52 AM)
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#2890013 - 11/13/17 04:32 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: CEB]
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All good additions to the topic. "Forgotten" guitarists however, are not really forgotten by everybody, but those whose names have slipped the consciousness of the larger number and also whose names, when discussions of "great" or just "good" guitarists come up get lost in the shuffle of the "usual suspects" like Jimi, Johnny, Chuck, STRV, EVH and such. And quite often, someone's "favorite" guitarist falls into that group. But at one time, these guy's names were on EVERYBODY'S lips, but over time for whatever reason just slipped away.....
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#2890017 - 11/13/17 05:12 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Your additions just slipped in a minute before my last posting up there Skip, but yeah, you put it good.

And too, THESE guys, who also share a birthday today!

John Hammond, who's 75 today....




Rogrer Steen, TUBES co-founder who's 68 today...




And Terry Reid too, is 68 today....




And Aldo Nova is the "kid", just 61 today. wink



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#2890064 - 11/13/17 10:51 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Happy Birthday, Aldo! Some of us have NEVER forgotten! like


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#2890085 - 11/13/17 12:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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Did anyone remember if they forgot... or forget to remember... Steve Hillage?

He started out in the Canterbury scene of progressive rock. Did some time with Gong, playing space rock; lots of solo projects in the 70's and 80's, then did more producing in the 80's & 90's with the occasional solo project.


Lots of atmospheric pieces, with elements of Jeff Beck-ish blues-jazz licks and Andy Summers-like effects.

He has reunited with Gong and is touring with them now, from what I hear.

Live stuff from 11 years ago - still able to get it! nothing fishy going on here.


And back in the day covering Donovan



And with the mighty Gong:
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#2890107 - 11/13/17 02:03 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: Scott Fraser
Lowell George popped into my mind a while back, but I have to say I really don't think of him as forgotten.


Mention his name to most ppl, even most guitarists.
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#2890113 - 11/13/17 02:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Well, THIS guy is no doubt forgotten-----

Singer and guitarist MIKE McGEAR, real name MIKE McCARTNEY, younger brother of PAUL, who did this ditty back in '74....




He never really went anywhere after this, but I've always liked the tune.
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#2890116 - 11/13/17 02:38 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Uh, from the YT page for that track...Giving Grease A Ride by Mike McGear.
"Excellent guitar work by Jimmy McCulloch" (from Wings).
JM maybe be forgotten but he wasn't Mike, who's an excellent photographer but not much of a guitarist.
idk

Here's a cat who, maybe not forgotten, seems to be the next worst thing = unidentifiable.
facepalm
Mystery gtr absolutely burning jazz(dig the quasi-MidEastern line he reels out at 4:45)/funk/rock style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdDMGp8IS8
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#2890141 - 11/13/17 05:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Uh, from the YT page for that track...Giving Grease A Ride by Mike McGear.
"Excellent guitar work by Jimmy McCulloch" (from Wings).
JM maybe be forgotten but he wasn't Mike, who's an excellent photographer but not much of a guitarist.
idk

Here's a cat who, maybe not forgotten, seems to be the next worst thing = unidentifiable.
facepalm
Mystery gtr absolutely burning jazz(dig the quasi-MidEastern line he reels out at 4:45)/funk/rock style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmdDMGp8IS8


I’m 95% certain that’s Danny Johnson. The remaining 5% thinks Ruben De Fuentes.
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#2890176 - 11/14/17 05:21 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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All I know is that when looking up McGear/McCartney it claims that like brother Paul he plays both piano AND guitar.

I would have mentioned it was McCulloch on the guitar there, but I, uh....forgot! wink

As for that clip up there, Steppenwolf had so many changes it depends on when that clip was recorded as to who the guitarist might be. For all we know, it could be Kent Henry, or even Bobbie Cochran or Michael Palmer. Kind of a "revolving door" with personnel in that band.
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#2890271 - 11/14/17 01:11 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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+1 on Aldo Nova, Rory Gallagher, Terje Rypdal and Frank Marino.
I'll add Robby Kreiger, Al Di Meola, Randy Bachman, Robbie Robertson, Bill Connors, Donald Roeser (Buck Dharma), Tom Scholtz, Jan Akkerman, Mark Farner, Jeff Healey, Kerry Livgren, Gary Rossington, Mason Ruffner, Michael Landau, Rik Emmett, Roy Buchanan, Michael Schenker, Steve Morse, Alvin Lee and Tommy Bolin.
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#2890294 - 11/14/17 02:20 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Delta]
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+1 on Bill Connors.
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#2890306 - 11/14/17 02:51 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Good list Delta, although many on it haven't been forgotten. Not in here at least. Nor either among the general. And it also brings up not only the idea of "forgotten" guitarists, but guitarists many never KNEW were guitarists, or weren't as noted for being so in their career tenures. like......

Larry Knechtel providing that "wha" backing on this tune, that for a long time some thought David Gates was playing... frown


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#2890344 - 11/14/17 07:07 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

As for that clip up there, Steppenwolf had so many changes it depends on when that clip was recorded as to who the guitarist might be. For all we know, it could be Kent Henry, or even Bobbie Cochran or Michael Palmer. Kind of a "revolving door" with personnel in that band.
Whitefang


Besides checking out band membership timelines, I ran pictures of Steppenwolf’s guitarists through some proprietary facial recognition software using a still from the video.

(I froze the vid and looked at a LOT of pictures.)

Those were the only two who looked even remotely close.


Edited by Dannyalcatraz (11/14/17 07:09 PM)
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#2890375 - 11/15/17 02:21 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Dannyalcatraz]
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One of the artists whom I really liked way WAY back in the early days of fusion, was Noel Pointer. Sadly he passed away at a young age, but he had a stellar array of guitarists helping out, including a few names that belong on this thread. It could also be on the `Importance of phrasing` discussion-someone-I don`t know who-had a brilliant way of using silence, between his solo riffs.
In my efforts to figure out who that person was, I ran into a few more memory-jarring and `whatever happened to` names-one is Eric Gale:


Oddly enough, while looking up this vid I ran across a blues player named Eric Gales, whom I`ve never heard of but highly recommend a listen-wow!

John Tropea whom I posted earlier, also appeared on a few of Mr. Pointer`s compositions.

A name that may have escaped even many in this worthy group-well I knew it was something like Trautman-I ended up watching Richard Crenna in Rambo.
Finally I found it-Ross Traut. I believe he was on some of Steely Dan`s songs as well, and has a sterling resume of appearances.
I recall seeing this album on store shelves-man, I should have grabbed it. Just have a listen to the first tune on this, you`ll see what I mean:


More lovely playing from Mr. Traut:






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#2890380 - 11/15/17 04:42 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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THANK YOU, Skip! Finally find ANOTHER who's heard of Noel Pointer! Dug him for many years too.

Two other guitarists that worked with him were---

HIRAM BULLOCK. Here groovin' on a JACO tune....




And BARRY FINNERTY:



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#2890393 - 11/15/17 06:18 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Pretty sure I mentioned Noel Pointer before, tho not so recently.
Anyway what a full house of guitar ferocity! but it does make it hard to pin down who played on a particular track.
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#2890421 - 11/15/17 07:21 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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While wishing Kevin Eubanks a Happy Birthday, I thought he would be a good candidate for this thread. I remembered him on Jay Leno's tonight show and thought about what a great player he is. Another band leader that is one great guitar player, is G.E. Smith from SNL. Seems like they both disappeared on us, but they really are not forgotten, by me anyway! thu thu
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#2890434 - 11/15/17 09:35 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Sho' 'nuff Larry. But there are others still.....

How many for instance, remember the ORIGINAL guitarist for YES,

PETER BANKS (1947-2013)?



clip from maybe shortly before his death......

And here's some better work from earlier days....


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#2890438 - 11/15/17 09:47 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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@Whitefang - Old Prog fans like myself have never forgotten. Here's another player who never got the recognition he deserved, when the band he helped found went on without him: Anthony Phillips, the original Guitarist for Genesis.

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#2890439 - 11/15/17 09:47 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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I remember Banks. TBH, I remember a lot of the “other” players from major bands.

But there have been a number mentioned in this thread I’ve never heard of.
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#2890444 - 11/15/17 10:22 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
While wishing Kevin Eubanks a Happy Birthday, I thought he would be a good candidate for this thread. I remembered him on Jay Leno's tonight show and thought about what a great player he is. Another band leader that is one great guitar player, is G.E. Smith from SNL. Seems like they both disappeared on us, but they really are not forgotten, by me anyway! thu thu


I think Smith died a couple of years ago...?
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#2890447 - 11/15/17 10:39 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: hurricane hugo]
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As far as I know Hugo, GE Smith is still with us...
https://gesmithmusic.wordpress.com/

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#2890484 - 11/15/17 02:44 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Yeah, WIKI informs he's still above the dirt.

And as I mentioned, it doesn't matter if any of US here remember any mentioned here. But many "non-playing" listeners seemed to have.

And can you mention ex-Genesis guitarist Anthony Phillips without also bringing up the also forgotten by many STEVE HACKETT??




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#2890493 - 11/15/17 03:05 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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I was going to make Anthony Philips my next post. While I haven't forgotten him, I haven't followed his career since the late 80's / early 90's.

Steve Hackett - not forgotten by me or many others (but yes, by some). Still active - that song you linked to is from his latest album, which I love. he's also making guest appearances on many artists' albums, including Dave Kerzner, Steve Rothery Band, The Rome Pro(G)ect and more. I also enjoy his acoustic/classical albums.
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#2890497 - 11/15/17 03:28 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Danzilla]
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Haven’t forgotten Hackett...but didn’t know Anthony Phillips. blush
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#2890507 - 11/15/17 04:46 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
While wishing Kevin Eubanks a Happy Birthday, I thought he would be a good candidate for this thread. I remembered him on Jay Leno's tonight show and thought about what a great player he is. Another band leader that is one great guitar player, is G.E. Smith from SNL. Seems like they both disappeared on us, but they really are not forgotten, by me anyway! thu thu


Eubanks was/is, before & continuing after his stint w/ Leno, a major player in the modern jazz scene.
Like the Marsalis clan, his family is a multi-generational collection of players.

Here's a really cool cut from 2010.
Starts kinda 3rd stream but then catch the absolutely stunning post-Wes octave hopscotching lines he does between abt 2:00~4:15.
So fast it's hard to even hear them accurately !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbKJocSbNbA


More recently here's a bopperish track from his new alb.
Besides KE's burbling lines, note the drumming of Jeff Waits & the trumpet solo by Nick Payton !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNNaXS5BJVY


Let me go out by offering this duet w/ Stanley Jordan.
Both acquit themselves superbly on this beautiful tune but watch the section 2:20~4:10 especially for a look at some truly phenominal phingering !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKkjEP29_6Y
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#2890527 - 11/15/17 08:51 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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+1 D, I went on YouTube before your post and listened to all of those vids...I really liked the East West Time Line! The guy is just a phenomenal guitar player! Jazz is in his blood! Jordan is a very cool guitar god too! cool


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#2890557 - 11/16/17 04:45 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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One song that finally pushed TALKING HEADS to the forefront was their cover of AL GREEN's "Take Me To The River", which was co-written by this associate/guitarist of Green's and a major force of the "Memphis Sound", TEENIE HODGES:




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#2890571 - 11/16/17 07:25 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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+1 D, I went on YouTube before your post and listened to all of those vids...I really liked the East West Time Line! The guy is just a phenomenal guitar player! Jazz is in his blood! Jordan is a very cool guitar god too! cool

Wow ! Ya lissened to all the KE vids there ?!
freak
Didja catch this 1 ?
(KE & BBK ecahnge lines, well sorta)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwBz8SkoRrs


What abt this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YnVw_iyALM


Then, back 2 the reayall, there's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT7QKd6Wlr0


FULL STOP

OK, folks, ya inspired to play that well or dismally dejected that yer fingers need therapy just from tryna hear that ?
HeadPop
....b/c, after all, what we talkin' 'bout ?
As much as I like to celebrate the days of those who've helped put us here, where we are, I think we're gettin' too close to just a list of "I forgot more abt gtr than U ever knew" w/no actual evaluation of nor end point.

The list of forgotten players is, literally, endless...since we fergot most of 'em !
[Who WAS on 1st?]
The A to the Q&A is, now what ? idk

As JB (of the Famous Flames) most famously said, "Let a man come in & do the Popcorn!"
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#2890588 - 11/16/17 08:26 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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No D, I said that I "listened to all of those vids" before your post (i.e. the 3 you posted) as I thought about posting a clip or two myself, but then figured I really didn't need to and didn't have all night to play around on YT...

I didn't mean that I listened to "all the KE vids". I did skip over the BB King embarrassment vid but I'm glad you posted it...I recall having seen it before, but it's still a very cool story and I'm glad you posted it too...
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#2890595 - 11/16/17 08:36 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Ya, LarZ, I made a joke.
However let's be clear.
That "BBK embarrassment" was only the YT label....
if y' chk it , it's hardly an embarrassment.
[which ya alredy dug, I dig]

As to oft is lost here, LETS' GET BACK TO THE MAIN P....where we go....
To dig deeper...we got lotsa examples.
Wheeeeeeeeeer we go ?

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#2890600 - 11/16/17 08:43 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Well in the clip KE says he was embarrassed in front of the man for wearing his stolen jacket, so I can see where YT chose the label...(so, back to the other forgotten guitarists), I just thought I would mention a couple...
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#2890602 - 11/16/17 08:48 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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No , let's got to the real point, not just an endless list.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMY9Wrh1oPA


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#2890608 - 11/16/17 09:16 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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SRV and BB will never be forgotten. You have a couple of threads for posting their YT clips already...and I can listen to them all day long. My input on this thread is because I had not forgotten Kevin or GE from the Tonight Show and SNL, but I think many people out there have. My only other addition to the list was Charo. Many people here in the US forget about her as a guitar player but she is truly talented. Anyway, feel free to make your point...
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#2890638 - 11/16/17 02:41 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Many of the ones I've posted were guitarists I too, haven't forgotten but it wasn't the issue. You, I or d might not have forgotten Jorgen Ingmann or Travis Wammack, but ask the next guy that comes along. And too, I even ran across a few who hearing the name "Duane" when I asked if they remembered DUANE EDDY asked, "Ain't he the guy in the Allman Brothers band that died?" crazy

And I'll add that many as well were guitarists that I too, have also forgotten. frown
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#2890656 - 11/16/17 04:27 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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List 'em here if you think of them. Those guitarists who made a kind of "splash" and then disappeared from sight and sound.

Any others?
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This is the issue AFAIK...I stand by my 3, as that's all I wished to add as far as my comments go. The ask the guy on the street who Duane Eddy is? Could be applied to many of the greats out there. Ask who Joe Pass, Roy Buchanan or Django Reinhardt was? You'll get the same blank stares on the street. Us old guitar players know who many of the greats are (like Duane, even though I never considered him a great guitar player), and could answer your survey questions as they have really not been forgotten by us. We just don't hear much from them anymore. Most of the players in many of the bands listed on this thread are unknown to me by name and I have to google on them to know who they are/were. A lot of this has to do with the age of the person being asked and/or just making a comment. You'll get different answers from the younger crowd and from the older crowd...and by genre.

ps. Correction: I have forgotten [no pun intended] that I had mentioned 3 others on this thread (i.e. Dylan, Croce and Taylor, et al) and was making a previous point/comment about how great these kinds of singer songwriters are, and yet they are forgotten as guitar players...they are truly guitar playing maestros IMHO.


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#2890723 - 11/17/17 04:19 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Fair 'nuff. There IS the "out of sight, out of mind" factor. And unless or until one is searching for other information about something, they discover history or are just reminded of it. For example.....

I first heard of the band JETHRO TULL when my band's drummer bought their first LP "This Was" as an "import" back in late '68. Which means many forgot that THIS guy, and not MARTIN BARRE was their original guitarist:
(and really just about NOBODY heard of them until "Stand Up" came out the following year)




I knew Barre wasn't the first, but when looking it up to get the first guy's name, also discovered the NOT forgotten TONY IOMMI was in the Tull line-up for a few weeks!
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#2890759 - 11/17/17 07:41 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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I`ll see that, and raise you a David Lindley-with Jackson Browne, his band El Rayo X, and this-and btw a `tonal holy grail` contender as well-

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#2890770 - 11/17/17 08:11 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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I will call your two poker hands! Here's G E Smith on Mike Bloomfield and his Tele on the Paul Butterfield's Blues Band album, and about half way through, he talks about my favorite album by Bob Dylan (i.e. Highway 61)...the title of the vid is about the guitar that really killed folk music and it's not the Strat that Dylan came out with on stage LOL! It's this Tele!



This vid will work on the tonal holy grail and the fantasy band thread(s) too, so I would love to hear all of the HWY 61 players again, much like the CCR fantasy band from their era, that I mentioned on the FB thread... cool


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#2890879 - 11/17/17 02:46 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Why sure. That WAS one helluva line-up on that LP, wasn't it? Bloomfield, Kooper, Paul Griffin, Bobby Gregg, Charley McCoy, Russ Savakus and a few others....

frown But now it seems it's "ridiculous" to think of such things....... wink
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#2890880 - 11/17/17 02:46 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
SRV and BB will never be forgotten. You have a couple of threads for posting their YT clips already...and I can listen to them all day long. My input on this thread is because I had not forgotten Kevin or GE from the Tonight Show and SNL, but I think many people out there have. My only other addition to the list was Charo. Many people here in the US forget about her as a guitar player but she is truly talented. Anyway, feel free to make your point...


My point ?
I thought I'd let SRV make that in the lyrics he sang there but, as so sadly is often the case, seemed like many never listen...
idk
"Ya can't change it
rearrange it
This time is all that we got
Let's take it"
[Sorry, but sometimes y' gotta find the context yerself but here's a hint....memories are great but making something real, here & now is better.
How many of these cats weren't just our faves but world changers ?
In my case, here, it was only 2 outta 4 facepalm ]

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Time we're not moving?
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#2890891 - 11/17/17 03:31 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Sadly D, I don't take the time to listen to all YouTube clips, so if your point and/or the context is somehow hidden therein, I may not hear it. I did go back and listen and it's a cool song. My posts are more about listing those guitarists that made a splash and then disappeared from sight and sound as requested in the OP. Some of my examples, were right in front of our faces while performing their guitar work live, and yet people forgot about how good their guitar work really was. Even though many of them are no longer with us in the here and now, their guitar work and lyrics live on in our memories. Much like SRV's and all the others...

Ps. @ Fang, I think it's cool to think of all those mentioned now and then...here's a little something to remember from Mike Bloomfield:



cool


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#2890895 - 11/17/17 03:52 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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#2891000 - 11/17/17 09:32 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
I will call your two poker hands! Here's G E Smith on Mike Bloomfield and his Tele on the Paul Butterfield's Blues Band album, and about half way through, he talks about my favorite album by Bob Dylan (i.e. Highway 61)...the title of the vid is about the guitar that really killed folk music and it's not the Strat that Dylan came out with on stage LOL! It's this Tele!



This vid will work on the tonal holy grail and the fantasy band thread(s) too, so I would love to hear all of the HWY 61 players again, much like the CCR fantasy band from their era, that I mentioned on the FB thread... cool


I`ll be honest-I have some big catching up-and some big second chancing-to do about Mr. Smith. A buddy of mine first said what I had also been thinking-as the SNL music director, what he and I heard when the breaks came were basically expertly rendered music cliches. Okay, in this one we`ll do the `Smoke on the Water` motif. In this one we`ll sound like Memphis blues. It was kind of the Mr. Studio Guy thing-all the music sounded like a sterile copy of something else. I`m the first to admit, I did not follow G.E. beyond that-the video here is the first I`ve heard outside the show.

P.S. Jeeziz, the high notes on that guitar....wish I was in that room.


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#2891013 - 11/18/17 12:12 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: skipclone 1]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
I`ll see that, and raise you a David Lindley-with Jackson Browne, his band El Rayo X, and this-and btw a `tonal holy grail` contender as well-



Well, I actively seek out David Lindley gigs to attend, & I play & record with his brother (a keyboard prodigy) so he's certainly not forgotten in my world. Partly it's a long time Southern California connection too. I friend of mine was in Kaleidoscope (a psychedelic world music band) with Lindley in the 60's, so I've known of him forever. But for most, yeah, probably forgotten if not just completely unknown. Worth looking into for sure.
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#2891015 - 11/18/17 12:50 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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I first heard of the band JETHRO TULL when my band's drummer bought their first LP "This Was" as an "import" back in late '68. Which means many forgot that THIS guy, and not MARTIN BARRE was their original guitarist:
(and really just about NOBODY heard of them until "Stand Up" came out the following year)


Let's not forget Mick Abraham's great, yet far too short lived post-Tull band, Blodwyn Pig.
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#2891031 - 11/18/17 04:34 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Sadly Scott, too many people HAVE forgotten them. AND him too.

@Larry:

Outstanding list of greats in that Bloomfield clip. And I don't think I know anybody, or care to KNOW anybody that can ever get tired of listening to Mike! cool
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#2891046 - 11/18/17 05:58 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Originally Posted By: skipclone 1
I`ll see that, and raise you a David Lindley-with Jackson Browne, his band El Rayo X, and this-and btw a `tonal holy grail` contender as well-



Well, I actively seek out David Lindley gigs to attend, & I play & record with his brother (a keyboard prodigy) so he's certainly not forgotten in my world. Partly it's a long time Southern California connection too. I friend of mine was in Kaleidoscope (a psychedelic world music band) with Lindley in the 60's, so I've known of him forever. But for most, yeah, probably forgotten if not just completely unknown. Worth looking into for sure.


Well I think it`s an all-too frequent case, where once separated from pop songwriting, vocalizing and general `front guy` appeal, the main appeal of musicians no matter how gifted, becomes mostly to other musicians. When most or all of those come together in one person, like Prince for example, the appeal is much broader.
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#2891067 - 11/18/17 07:40 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang

@Larry:

Outstanding list of greats in that Bloomfield clip. And I don't think I know anybody, or care to KNOW anybody that can ever get tired of listening to Mike! cool
Whitefang


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#2891139 - 11/18/17 02:55 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Off the record & off track

3 daze & 17 bottles o' wine later, after lookin' th'ough alla the closets in tha house tryna find my copy of Bloomers's (thass Mike Bloomfield, for y'all kids) autobio [Me & Big Joe----read it !] all I got 2 say's is lookat this cat on 2nd gtr/harpmonica & dial in his haircut for a taste of MB...........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mPa_6c87gE
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#2891188 - 11/19/17 04:49 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Who IS that guy? Sure, kinda looks like Mike, but as the tune was shot six years after Mike died, well........
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#2891245 - 11/19/17 01:02 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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It's somebody but of course not Bloomers & doesn't even really look much like him beyond the hair & sidies.

I hereby dub him The Swedish Boogieman Who Accompanied John Dawson Winter The 3rd During One Of His Most Boisterous (& Prolly Drunken) Performnaces, & thus shall he not be forgotten !
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#2891259 - 11/19/17 02:26 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Here's an interesting story.
Yesterday I was waiting for a MARTA train when I heard a kinda talented cat playing his acoustic in the station.

During a brief discussion it came to light that he likes Larry Coryell, Antonio Jobim & esp Prince...however he had no idea who Chuck Berry was & only a hazy idea abt Hendrix ("he did some psychedelic stuff, right ?").

Read that again & think what it means that a young player, who's fave musician is Prince, basically only knows Hendrix as a name.
Of course PRN was one of the most talented musicians of our time & maybe the best live performer since Franz Lizst or Paganini but I'm guessing he'd never have developed as he did w/out Jimi, let alone Chuck Berry (who, of course made a major splash in in the news just this year).

I'd say this list of the forgotten may eventually include everyone.
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#2891262 - 11/19/17 02:36 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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This'll be off the path a bit, but something in the previous post reminds me of something that seems a peculiarity lately...

For instance-----

For nearly 30 years everybody knew one guy by only one name. Say it and everybody knew immediately who you were talking about. That man was PRINCE. His vids on MTV were attributed only to "PRINCE". DJs on the radio would introduce his songs as, "Here's the new single by PRINCE." Even his LPs and CDs identified him as "PRINCE". Yet for some reason, after his death every time a reference to him comes up in any forum I patronize it's always the FULL name, PRINCE ROGERS NELSON. I mean, all needs doing is just typing out PRINCE and we'd all know who it is.

And now I see it's being done to my boy Johnny Winter. Sure, John Dawson Winter III is his full and correct name, but is ALL of that necessary?

Well, that's my "vent of the day", so I'll drop it now. As for the other guy, sure. It's hard to forget a name you never knew in the first place. wink
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#2891271 - 11/19/17 02:55 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Necessary ?
Naw.
Fun ?
You betcha !
grin
& kinda respectful , in a sly way!
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#2891354 - 11/20/17 04:01 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Not only is this guy, Gary Green, a "forgotten guitarist", he also hails from a pretty much forgotten band--Gentle Giant--

He's the dude with the specs....


AND--check the birthday thread...
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#2891363 - 11/20/17 04:37 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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All of this reminds me of that old song,
"I'm sure it wouldn't interest anyone
Outside of a small circle of friends..." (By Phil Ochs, if I remember correctly. This is 50 years ago or so, LOL.)
By that I mean, most people, even music lovers, don't listen to music from a guitarist's point of view. They don't focus on the exquisitely subtle guitar nuances, although they enjoy them as part of the whole package.
So it's a good thing that those of us in the "small circle of friends" make an effort to remember our talented colleagues and partners in crime....

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#2891409 - 11/20/17 07:41 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Eric Iverson]
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So true Eric of having this small circle of friends. Your comments remind me of my 1st Tommy Emmanuel concert at a theater in Sacramento. The place was packed to the nose bleeds. I looked around the audience and I could tell every guy in the joint was a guitar player and their eyes were glued to Tommy from the beginning to the end of the show...I get the same feeling watching the many YouTube clips of performances of guys like Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, Les and so many other greats. We have to go see our favorites while they are still around... cool
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#2891469 - 11/20/17 01:34 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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That GG clip is an example of why some of these folks & bands are forgotten.
Sounds like many in the room w/them, at least at 1st, weren't really alert to them...

Perhaps you could find a better example of their worth or, as a colleague here recently suggested to me, put some context to why you cite them ?
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#2891481 - 11/20/17 02:48 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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As for the GG clip, I was offered by the "almighty" Tube very little in the way of any that centered mostly on Gary Green, who WAS after all, the main focus at the time. wink at least recorded in what was his "heyday".

As for what goes on at concerts, I've always noticed a huge amount of folks that seemed to be there just to be there and be able to SAY they were and little if any attention paid to what was going on stage-wise. It's what turned me off about going to concerts really. One good example is just listen to "Do You Feel Like We Do" on the "Frampton Comes Alive" LP and hear how many are making noise, whistling loudly and all that during Bob Mayo's fine piano solo.
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#2891594 - 11/21/17 04:40 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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That's why I like small clubs - as in primarily for music lovers, not people mostly looking to get drunk and/or laid.
The audience can be happy and in a good mood, excited to hear good tunes, without being obnoxious - I remember enjoying concerts at the Bottom Line particularly for that reason - and oh, the reasonable prices and excellent sound system didn't exactly HURT... LOL.

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#2891625 - 11/21/17 08:05 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Eric Iverson]
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I like sit down concerts as opposed to bars and dance halls...not that dancing is not fun, but I like listening to live performances more than dancing to it...fewer drunks and fewer fights is a lot more fun for me! cool
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#2891684 - 11/21/17 11:14 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: Larryz]
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Gee, I think dancing, by nature, involves listening & hearing music, as well as thinking abt it...
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#2891740 - 11/21/17 02:30 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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..... grin You've obviously never seen me dance. wink grin

Besides, most people who dance (at clubs anyway) never pay much attention to the music past the beat. The girls dancing are paying too much attention to trying to look good while they're moving on the floor, and the guys are dancing with them just hoping to get laid. wink
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#2891786 - 11/21/17 06:25 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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#2891825 - Yesterday at 04:24 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: picker]
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OK Picker. So, let's take a LOOK at this guy to find out WHY. wink


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#2891896 - Yesterday at 08:33 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: d]
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Gee, I think dancing, by nature, involves listening & hearing music, as well as thinking abt it...
idk


I don't know why I do what I do sometimes as the wife loves to dance and I love to sit and listen...I'll get up and dance now and then and used to dance the night away back in my younger days. But, when I get around some good live entertainment, I like to sit and focus on the performers and prefer sit down concerts...I do love it when people are having fun and dancing too! cool
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#2891923 - Yesterday at 10:17 AM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: picker]
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Dave Meniketti impressed me back in the day...


Back in the 80's or 90's I worked on a video with Y & T. I seriously believe they are the actual model for Spinal Tap. They endlessly reinvented themselves with different looks & sounds over the years while never quite achieving big success. They went through phases of psychedelic pop, Edwardian dandyism, metal, prog rock, 80's arena rock, etc. Good players for sure.
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#2891951 - Yesterday at 12:50 PM Re: Forgotten guitarists...? [Re: whitefang]
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Quote:
...most people who dance (at clubs anyway) never pay much attention to the music past the beat.


Last diversion (I promise grin ) but actually if ya ever watched Soul Train or caught the Lockers or other troupes y'saw how much attention some pay to matching their moves specifically to the music.
w00t PianoBanana w00t

& then we have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnQZ2PsyrYE
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