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#2905388 - 01/28/18 02:35 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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I'm sorry d. I've just been havin' fun enjoying the clips. As for "development", I'd say his development was probably fully achieved by the time he started getting "famous". B.B. has always had the uncanny knack of playing what he's basically payed for years but still somehow managing to always make it sound fresh. And as to offering any kind of critique( review), I wouldn't presume.
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#2905556 - 01/29/18 09:00 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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Next single was this swinging blues track, a bit more poppy (even jivey) & maybe not such a good recording technically but still we can hear his attention to the vocal, esp during the 1st verse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eozCa__ZAVA


Did you notice the picture ?
Yep 1956 marked the 1st album collection from BBK, SINGIN' THE BLUES originally on Crown Recs.
Most of the songs were credited to BBK & Jules Taub, a pseudonym of one of the Bihari bros, who had a typically old school attitude to biz dealings. rolleyes
Side one
"Please Love Me" 2:51
"You Upset Me Baby" 3:04
"Every Day I Have the Blues" (Aaron Sparks, credited to Peter Chatman) 2:49
"Bad Luck" (Ivory Joe Hunter, credited to King, Taub) 2:54
"3 O'Clock Blues" (Lowell Fulson, credited to King, Taub) 3:03
"Blind Love" 3:06
Side two
"Woke Up This Morning" 2:59
"You Know I Love You" 3:06
"Sweet Little Angel" (Traditional, credited to King, Taub) 3:00
"Ten Long Years" 2:49
"Did You Ever Love a Woman" (Dwight Moore, credited to King, Taub) 2:34
"Crying Won't Help You" (Hudson Whittaker, credited to King, Taub) 3:00
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#2905654 - 01/29/18 02:36 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Wow. I seem to remember "You Upset Me Baby" from those days I was sneaking listens to my brother's crystal radio!

Would have been back about then...


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#2905692 - 01/29/18 05:14 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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Yes. It's in the track list for the 1st BBK album collection just above & that track was presented abt 6 chapters back as a single, on page 1 of the thread.
Originally Posted By: d
Still in 1954, & maybe w/ the same drummer as "Heart Beats Like A Hammer" (catch the snare rolls cool ) this is one swangin' track !
Dig the spiraling intro lick !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtaWVKiYt5w

Ya might've missed it, there...but now that you bring it up what do you think of it ?
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The intent here is to present a full career overview of King's work & commentary is invited when relevant.
Sometimes that will involve cross refs to other tunes or other times butt let's not just jumble things unnecessarily or post too randomly, OK?
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#2905748 - 01/30/18 03:46 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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That's why I brought it up. I saw it in that track listing and recognized the title.

IMHO, the "overview" of King's career (which IS subjective) is that it seems the older he got, the more mature and economic his style became. Less "flash" and more to the point. Like the difference between being asked for the time and giving the time, and being asked for the time and explaining how the watch works.

I've often said in here over the years that B.B. was able to say in 5 notes what other guitarists took 50 to say. wink
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#2905797 - 01/30/18 08:07 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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The entire thread is the overview, not a request for anyone to try summing up BBK in a few words nor to offer any "Yeah, he's great" simplitudes.
It's to seriously map his career & take note of the particular milestones as well as how his playing evolved.

As for this...
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IMHO, the "overview" of King's career (which IS subjective) is that it seems the older he got, the more mature and economic his style became. Less "flash" and more to the point.

...while it has the ring of a compliment it doesn't seem supported by the evidence.

He had the ability to be more incisive but seems more likely to unleash a stream of stunning playing in his later prime than the early days.
Compare most of the later examples posted along w/ the orig tracks, particularly the "Sweet Little Angel" post not far back.
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#2905964 - 01/31/18 03:45 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
He had the ability to be more incisive but seems more likely to unleash a stream of stunning playing in his later prime than the early days.


While I noticed that too, I also noticed he never seemed to rely on it. His later playing seemed more minimalist, centered on the emotion of the tune rather than the "showy" display of solo work. Another way: Less "decorative".

B.B. always said he shared "singing" duties with Lucille. He'd sing a verse or two, then let Lucille "sing" a verse or so. Only in the manufactured "R&B" these days do you find so much "decoration" in singing. You know, going up or down the scale five or more times in the singing of ONE SYLLABLE of a word. Or what a friend of mine calls the "Eddie Van Halen vocal effect". grin
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#2906057 - 01/31/18 10:24 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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His later playing was more emotionally expressive but to call it minimalist is to defy the evidence in the vid clips.
Plainly put he's playin' up a storm.
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#2906140 - 01/31/18 05:09 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Back on, uh, track
So...what abt the 3 tracks on that alb that weren't already singles ?
Glad you asked...sorta....

"Blind Love" has a few probs, most notably a pianist apparently instructed to play a strict early rock feel, despite that not jibing w/ the gtr at all. There are also some loudness inconsistencies, apparently in the orig issue since they're evident in all the copies I've heard (except a remastered version from much later).
There're some fills & solo [1:32~1:58] but it's not really notable.
The best thing, I think, is the sudden bashing swing feel that takes over during the last verse abt 2:30.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JceGTxXrUI


"You Know I Love You"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfLzy_NZk3s
Somebody must've said, "Enough swing blues already, BB, you need to do a kinda dreary ballad---oh, & ditch the gtr, nobody wants to hear that !"
This is a positively (if that's the right adjective here) dreadful thing.
The horns & sax solo are incredibly uninspired &, while the pno shows some feeling there's simply too little of what we came for.
Even BBK doesn't seem interested in this tune.
Note: the tiny gtr blur @ 1:17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfLzy_NZk3s


"Did You Ever Love A Woman"
More like it but still a bit show bizzy ; kinda like arrangement got lost on it's way to a Louis Jordan session.
The gtr mimics horns for intro but then that's it, although King turns in a typically nuanced vocal
Piano's a bit like that R&R clunk from "Blind Love" but at points proves capability to swing [2:15~20].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-3nYfHmVXY


Was that an influence on Freddie King's 1961 "Have You Ever Loved A Woman" (written by Bill Myles) ?
Probably to some degree but more in the rising-toward-falsetto vox than the gtr parts, although there's a possible connection between the bass accents that occur just before the bridge in BB's track [0:50] & between verses in FK's [0:43]..
BBK was a massive influence on all who came after but his track simply didn't offer much gtr to copy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Zo7ijWlz0


FWIW & BTW, here's a later performance of the same BBK tune but diff lyrics...but still no gtr solo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9LB9dOjTzY
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#2906237 - 02/01/18 04:28 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Like I DID say, he relied LESS on any "flash" as time went on. I never claimed he abandoned it entirely. I only saw him whenever any of his more recent outing have been televised somewhere, and noticed too, many of his solos had more of a "vocal" quality to them. As in: One could sing the notes of the solo and not sound silly in doing so.

OK, another way to put it would be that it seemed he got to where he felt the SONG was more important than what was taken any liberties with inside of it. Like what HE did should support the song rather than distract.
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#2906428 - 02/01/18 02:20 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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Hey, get with it ?
Comment on the music rather than random generalities just so you can post or defend yerself ... OK ?!
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You really seem to've nothing to say....
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#2906435 - 02/01/18 03:15 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Oh, I get it alright. The irrelevance of any POV that differs from yours.
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#2906667 - 02/02/18 12:47 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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No, the irrelevance of a poorly formed or overly general opinion so please either have something to contribute or don't just noise up the joint.
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#2906673 - 02/02/18 01:27 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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BBK started 1957 w/ this smashing exposition on the vagaries of romantic commitment.

The solo [1:42~2:12] is great, full of licks that mimic (or sometimes, as at 1:48~1:51, anticipate) the horns but for me the highlights are the fills during the second verse[0:38~0:59]. First he interrupts line 1 with 3 downward notes that seem to express the saddest resignation soon followed by a splash of vibrato & a quick lick that echoes itself; then the 2nd vocal line is followed by a lick that seems to be staggering down the stairs, a great lead-in for the line abt his juicehead gal !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8LeCRozU0s


Here's an alternate version full of its own delights...dig in !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ91s5ElBxk
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#2909680 - 02/14/18 05:00 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Next BBK released this sleepy meditation on the basic source of the blues.
It's from early 1957, a time when he'd already established his skills as a player & singer but seems to me to be having some probs in both material selection & production (see a couple the just previous tracks).
What it lacks in fire is more than made up for w/the subtleties of both the gtr & vox.
Barely 10 secs in, he's slid a lead line out for the horns to finish that sounds as if he had someplace to race off to but decided to be cool instead.
He keeps up his early penchant for breathy vox that drift up into falsetto.
Dig how both he & the band shuffle along in a way unlike like his earlier tracks & how he does a few specific things such as sing even lazier than his by-then-established relaxed method & how he both interplays w/the band (he let's them finish a gtr phrase, (in a way later associated w/Fred McDowell) during the intro & during the solo [2:12~2:50]

He starts the solo w/a line too tired (or drunk?) to climb the stairs but staggers around a key note til able to summon the strength (bent note @ 2:25) to go on somewhat wanderingly til, just before the next verse, the gtr simply says, "Aw so what !" [2:48]
I think he did all that v. deliberately.

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Oh, yes, behind the last verse...[as brought to my attention by LarryZ]...
another good example of players interweaving as they play, a matter of expressive phrasing in its own right.
At 3:00 BB starts a gtr phrase, the trpt echoes, BB echoes that ((or maybe just finishes his line)...then [3:11] BB stretches the word "pleeeease" out, followed by a similar note from trpt [3:14].
Then BB & the drummer flam a climatic note/beat together @3:29/30.
You can almost see him holding the gtr neck up & swinging it down !
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#2909684 - 02/14/18 05:10 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Never knew he had such vocal range way back...
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#2909692 - 02/14/18 05:29 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: Bluesape]
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Oh, yes & if ya roll back to the disc chronology (I didn't start the thread w/it) he had that from the start of his recording career.
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#2914484 - 03/12/18 10:22 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Next up BBK wrapped 1957 issuing this single, "Be Careful W/A Fool".
Unlike later covers which tend toward slow, extended Otis Rush style, BB's original was given an almost sprightly uptown horn-driven arrangement.
The solo section [1:25~2:20] is divided into gtr & sax choruses, the latter almost rock&roll style.
BB's section is most notable for the repeating note he starts reiterating abt 1:50, picked up by the drummer & the sax player as he gets going.

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#2914547 - 03/12/18 02:56 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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I was not only struck by how many licks in the tune are the same ones I've heard by later-day players who obviously "copped" them from B.B.

But also how the photo shows a strong resemblance to a young Eddie Murphy. wink
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#2915375 - 03/16/18 11:57 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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As 1957 rolled into 58, BB apparently decided to up the pop polish of his legacy-to-be & hire the Ray Conniff Singers (or whomever) to smear the glossy lipstick on this track...although when the vocal chorale ain"t treading all over the gtr lines, the horns are. idk What's a musicologist to do ?!

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#2916012 - 03/19/18 03:04 PM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Moving on, we get back, as it were, w/"You've Been An Angel",
which pulls together what we consider the contemporary hallmarks of the BBK sound: keening falsetto vox, cutting gtr lines, & yer basic blues band + jazz-horns (in this case, w/a particularly froggy baritone sax).
The entire track swings but they get really su-wanggin' behind the gtr solo [1:07~1:36]


2 questions:
What's w/ the costumes in that photo ? Not just BB's gal but the kb cat !
& Whadda y'think happened to the ending lyrics ?
["...I didn't make myself, Woman, & it's not my fault b/c somebody else............"]
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#2916137 - 03/20/18 04:39 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: d]
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Yep. Gotta wonder about the Native American motif in the costumes,

But in this clip, Outside of a couple of the AXES he's seen with, his being acknowledged as "Bee Bee" instead of just B.B. is kinda interesting too.....

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#2916143 - 03/20/18 05:09 AM Re: back to the basics w/ BB [Re: whitefang]
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Yep. Gotta wonder about the Native American motif in the costumes,


That's a New Orleans Mardi Gras tradition.
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