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#2888211 - 11/02/17 01:22 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: cphollis]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
Originally Posted By: cphollis
I think there's a subtle phaser on the organ sounds. Very characteristic, whatever it is. I remember being lost in this stuff back in the day. Maybe I'll get back into it like dB is doing with modern tools.

This was back when music would take you to another planet.

Tony Banks used an MXR Phase 100 - thats what I have.


If you don't mind, I went looking and found both new ones and expensive vintage ones. So that tells me the original is A Thing.

Your opinion?


Yes, I found that too when I was looking.
Comes down to your ears I would suggest.

I have two "new" ones, one for my gig rig and one for my RMI piano.
To my ears they replicate the Banks organ sound to a T.

A friend has a vintage one and I couldn't hear any difference, though he said he could he couldn't explain what!
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#2888218 - 11/02/17 04:31 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Originally Posted By: Losendoskeys
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I'm looking forward to "Home by the Sea" from someone. rockit



My love of Genesis stops around And Then There Were Three


Ah... that's when I began listening to the band. Then I went back and bought their two previous albums. laugh
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#2888229 - 11/02/17 06:15 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: Synthoid]
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Nice work, Dave and Alan.

About the organ sound -- while some fans lament the fact that Banks stopped using Leslie speakers, I must say that I really like the Hammond with the phaser and chorus that replaced the Leslie. It's a more electronic sound, granted, but it gels very well with the other instruments Genesis used during that period. It also effectively underlines the intricate chord voicings Banks used, and became somewhat of a trademark sound for him during the late 70s.

As for the Phase 100 stomp box, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the hype regarding older versions being better. Out of the three units I have (1977 script logo, 1980 block logo, 1996 Dunlop reissue), I like the Dunlop best, but only if powered by an external 12Vdc supply. When powered with a 9V battery, the sweep range doesn't seem wide enough.

-joachim

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#2888237 - 11/02/17 06:46 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: jverghese]
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Originally Posted By: jverghese
Nice work, Dave and Alan.

About the organ sound -- while some fans lament the fact that Banks stopped using Leslie speakers, I must say that I really like the Hammond with the phaser and chorus that replaced the Leslie. It's a more electronic sound, granted, but it gels very well with the other instruments Genesis used during that period. It also effectively underlines the intricate chord voicings Banks used, and became somewhat of a trademark sound for him during the late 70s.

As for the Phase 100 stomp box, I wouldn't pay too much attention to the hype regarding older versions being better. Out of the three units I have (1977 script logo, 1980 block logo, 1996 Dunlop reissue), I like the Dunlop best, but only if powered by an external 12Vdc supply. When powered with a 9V battery, the sweep range doesn't seem wide enough.

-joachim


Hi Joachim!!

Good to hear from you, been trying to reach you.

[Sorry if this is OT]

In your role as the god-like designer of the ProSoloist Rack+ laugh have you moved any further in the development of the Quadra and ARP2600 sounds?

R
Alan
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#2888283 - 11/02/17 12:01 PM Re: Afterglow [Re: Losendoskeys]
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Alan, I sent you a PM.
cheers

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#2888465 - 11/03/17 02:40 PM Re: Afterglow [Re: jverghese]
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Dave and Alan, you're recordings sound great! I love this song, this band, and of course Tony Banks.

This thread stirred up memories of seeing them in the late 70's (probably 1978) at Madison Square Garden. Not only was their performance amazing, but their sound was incredible (i.e., much better than any other band I've ever heard at MSG).
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#2898749 - 12/30/17 11:08 PM Re: Afterglow [Re: Al Quinn]
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Forgot to mention that I posted an attempt at recreating the late-70's TB organ sound:

https://soundcloud.com/electric-grand/hammond-with-phaser-and-chorus-demo

The clip starts out with just the T-organ, then adds the Phase 100, and finally the CE-1 Chorus Ensemble.

Although nothing beats the sound of a real Leslie, there's something about the phaser/chorus effect that I really, really like. Somehow it just makes you want to try all kinds of weird chord voicings (which is probably why TB used the sound extensively).

My new year's resolution: Create something original. wink

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#2899047 - 01/02/18 02:29 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Dave and Alan, you're recordings sound great! I love this song, this band, and of course Tony Banks.

This thread stirred up memories of seeing them in the late 70's (probably 1978) at Madison Square Garden. Not only was their performance amazing, but their sound was incredible (i.e., much better than any other band I've ever heard at MSG).

Cheers Al!
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#2899048 - 01/02/18 02:30 AM Re: Afterglow [Re: jverghese]
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Originally Posted By: jverghese
Forgot to mention that I posted an attempt at recreating the late-70's TB organ sound:

https://soundcloud.com/electric-grand/hammond-with-phaser-and-chorus-demo

The clip starts out with just the T-organ, then adds the Phase 100, and finally the CE-1 Chorus Ensemble.

Although nothing beats the sound of a real Leslie, there's something about the phaser/chorus effect that I really, really like. Somehow it just makes you want to try all kinds of weird chord voicings (which is probably why TB used the sound extensively).

My new year's resolution: Create something original. wink

Thats the sound for sure but please don't stop REcreating too!
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