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#2927353 - 05/16/18 11:24 AM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I use the Prologue for comping and leads, so the 8 voice is quite adequate. I position it to my right so the smaller size is helpful.

You can program "live sets." Recalling a patch requires 2 button pushes but it works well enough.

The DM keybed is just ok, the Prologue keybed is about as good as it gets for synth action.

The keybed and patch recall are two big reasons why the Prologue is better for performance. Also, I find the panel more intuitive and simple for on stage tweaking. But it's a tradeoff, the DM is deep-deep-deeper.
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#2927366 - 05/16/18 12:57 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Marzzz

I have not bought one (desktop module does not respond to PolyAT), but I agree about the dark, smooth timbre vs the more harsh/modern sounds I am hearing elsewhere. But if they were to do a Jupiter 8 clone...
Are you suggesting the DM12 key'd version DOES respond to polyAT? I don't believe that's the case. Are there actually any specification differences between the 12 and 12D?

No, but since I have two 76-key controllers that transmit PolyAT, the last thing I need is another keyboard...so I am only interested in desktop or rack modules. I am not aware of any differences between the DM12 versions. BUT, I do know many other synth manufacturers (DSI, Waldorf, Novation, etc.) do implement PolyAT response over MIDI.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Also note that the Juno106 didn't have PolyAT (no AT at all actually?) and only responded to velocity over MIDI. The 60 didn't have AT or MIDI. Both currently cost as much (or double, or triple) as a Deepmind 12 on the used market.

Well, I don't have any interest in vintage gear, so it is not relevant to me. My one foray into owning a vintage analog synth completely cured me of any desire to own one ever again...!

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#2927368 - 05/16/18 01:05 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Marzzz]
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Originally Posted By: Marzzz
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Marzzz

I have not bought one (desktop module does not respond to PolyAT), but I agree about the dark, smooth timbre vs the more harsh/modern sounds I am hearing elsewhere. But if they were to do a Jupiter 8 clone...
Are you suggesting the DM12 key'd version DOES respond to polyAT? I don't believe that's the case. Are there actually any specification differences between the 12 and 12D?

No, but since I have two 76-key controllers that transmit PolyAT, the last thing I need is another keyboard...so I am only interested in desktop or rack modules. I am not aware of any differences between the DM12 versions. BUT, I do know many other synth manufacturers (DSI, Waldorf, Novation, etc.) do implement PolyAT response over MIDI.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Also note that the Juno106 didn't have PolyAT (no AT at all actually?) and only responded to velocity over MIDI. The 60 didn't have AT or MIDI. Both currently cost as much (or double, or triple) as a Deepmind 12 on the used market.

Well, I don't have any interest in vintage gear, so it is not relevant to me. My one foray into owning a vintage analog synth completely cured me of any desire to own one ever again...!


Ha! Thanks for clarifying. Makes great sense in your situation.
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#2927409 - 05/16/18 06:40 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
I returned mine after a few weeks. While there was much I liked about it, I decided I wanted something more geared towards performance. The Korg Prologue 49 has been working out very well so far. Of course it costs more than twice as much as the discounted DM12.
Originally Posted By: Adan
The keybed and patch recall are two big reasons why the Prologue is better for performance. Also, I find the panel more intuitive and simple for on stage tweaking. But it's a tradeoff, the DM is deep-deep-deeper.

Thanks for posting this, as you've confirmed the doubts I've been having all along.

I've had my Deepmind for about a year, but I just haven't been able to make it work like I'd hoped. It's incredibly deep and can make some amazing sounds, but as a live performer I'm just not able to connect with it. I am not an experienced synthesist, but I find it much easier to make usable (for me) sounds on my Little Phatty and Berhinger Model D (also realizing that they are mono synths and not polys).

The Prologue definitely caught my attention and your feedback definitely makes it look more attractive. The Prophet Rev2 has also piqued my interest. Looks like my Deepmind might end up in the Garage Sale sooner or later...

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#2927410 - 05/16/18 06:48 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: RichieP_MechE]
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Originally Posted By: RichieP_MechE
Originally Posted By: Adan
I returned mine after a few weeks. While there was much I liked about it, I decided I wanted something more geared towards performance. The Korg Prologue 49 has been working out very well so far. Of course it costs more than twice as much as the discounted DM12.
Originally Posted By: Adan
The keybed and patch recall are two big reasons why the Prologue is better for performance. Also, I find the panel more intuitive and simple for on stage tweaking. But it's a tradeoff, the DM is deep-deep-deeper.

Thanks for posting this, as you've confirmed the doubts I've been having all along.

I've had my Deepmind for about a year, but I just haven't been able to make it work like I'd hoped. It's incredibly deep and can make some amazing sounds, but as a live performer I'm just not able to connect with it. I am not an experienced synthesist, but I find it much easier to make usable (for me) sounds on my Little Phatty and Berhinger Model D (also realizing that they are mono synths and not polys).

The Prologue definitely caught my attention and your feedback definitely makes it look more attractive. The Prophet Rev2 has also piqued my interest. Looks like my Deepmind might end up in the Garage Sale sooner or later...


I was looking at the Prophet Rev 2 but I have a soft spot for the OB-6
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#2927413 - 05/16/18 07:31 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: bennyray]
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The OB-6 is a great synth. It is a personal favorite. It isn't the broadest palette, but it makes "that sound". And the control parameters are brilliantly set up. Every knob makes a difference, and it is almost impossible to make it sound bad. Very tweak able while playing live too.

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#2927446 - 05/17/18 05:29 AM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Nathanael_I]
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The INXS thread got me wondering, how close is the Deepmind filter to the Roland filter?
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#2927547 - 05/17/18 01:34 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: RABid]
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As an OB-6 owner, I find it more of a studio queen than a performer. I've been trying to integrate it into one of my rigs but you really gotta want to use it.
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#2928406 - 05/21/18 08:10 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd


Also note that the Juno106 didn't have PolyAT (no AT at all actually?) and only responded to velocity over MIDI. The 60 didn't have AT or MIDI. Both currently cost as much (or double, or triple) as a Deepmind 12 on the used market.


No AT at all on the 106, and no velocity over midi. I used to midi my 106 to my JX10 which had both AT and could send velocity and the 106 didn't respond to it.
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#2928424 - 05/21/18 11:40 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Al Coda]
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: cphollis
My experience with the DM12 has taught me that I'm a preset guy, not a programming guy.


No offense, but I always wondered why people bought a machine (a synthesizer) waiting to be programmed, when knowing they are "preset guys".

I myself, Iīd buy a synth without any preset delivered when it is a great tool.
I remember deleting all factory presets in Sequential Circuitīs or Oberheimīs synths because I wanted to program my own ones.

When people are "preset guys", they donīt need any synth at all,- instead they need hardware- or software-preset-playback apps/machines.
At least I hope, they will be satisfied w/ the presets then.

A.C.


I was a bit a Tweaker with my first synths, the Yamaha CS15 and the Sh101 Roland but then, I was always frustrated with their inability to nail "real acoustic" instruments and I was wrong at that time, you are right, they were not designed, synths are not designed in general to be just presets box.....But when I sold them to buy the D50 and the TX802, I started to use presets most of the time....
Then a stop from music for 10 years....It's the Stage 2 synth and it's easiness that made me come back to "tweaking". I'm not a programmer on it, though I have done few of them that sounds great to me and to my bandmates....
I agree with Ciphollis, most of the time, it's a lack of time that get you to use mainly presets but I remember an interview in Keyboard magazine about a famous keys guy playing big shows for famous artists who said that with the high quality of presets that usually comes nowadays with modern machines and the high number of them, he was finding presets to use directly for a lot of songs, with a bit of tweaking though....
Then I did this approach:
If I want to be nail a sound from a record, I browse through the Presets I have and most of the time I found ones that are really close, but the pure synths all parameters access is very easy to adjust it to a perfect one....
So, even of you are not a pure programmer like the ones on this forum or on the Nord forum who could always do one in few minutes, it helps a lot to have a real synth even for cover, even if you are not a pure programmer....
But to be honest, I also use them the way I was doing 30 years ago....You start from scratch and the sounds is so inspiring that you come with great ideas of composition....
So, pure programmers could also use presets I think and pure presets guy could be very happy with the doors opened by a knobby synth....
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#2928426 - 05/21/18 11:55 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Iconoclast]
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Originally Posted By: Iconoclast
As an OB-6 owner, I find it more of a studio queen than a performer. I've been trying to integrate it into one of my rigs but you really gotta want to use it.


Really? Why? I use my P08 and P12 a lot live, they sound awesome and complement each other very well, I was assuming it would be the same with the OB6....I also use a lot my Oberheim Matrix 1000, so, what makes it difficult to use it live? The type of sound it does? The 4 Octave keybed? I'm curious...
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#2948708 - 09/16/18 09:30 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Quai34]
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How is this synth for bass tones?
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#2948727 - 09/17/18 04:12 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: analogman1]
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So there was place for Toyota in the venerable circuits of Fords, Mitsubishis and Fiats ? Time will tell if the others just had a couple more years on the newcomer, or whether there's such a thing as too much marketing hype.

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#2948729 - 09/17/18 04:16 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: analogman1]
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Originally Posted By: analogman1
How is this synth for bass tones?



Mildly but not blindingly satisfied Deepmind 12 owner here.

I would not buy this synth for bass, although you could probably get okay bass sounds going on it, if this was required to save your puppy’s life or whatever.

There are so many decent monosynths cheaper than the DM12 that do good bass — you really have your pick of many options. I like the Moog Minitaur and the Korg Arp Odyssey ... others prefer the Novation Bass-station 2, the Behringer Model D, or maybe the Korg Monologue.

If you have money to spend and want a polysynth as well, the Novation Peak has low end (I have one), although it is a digital osc synth and has a different flavor. The OB6 seems to throw good bass if you can afford it, although I do not own that instrument.

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#2948763 - 09/17/18 06:08 PM Re: The DeepMind 12... several months later [Re: Theo Verelst]
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Originally Posted By: Theo Verelst
So there was place for Toyota in the venerable circuits of Fords, Mitsubishis and Fiats ? Time will tell if the others just had a couple more years on the newcomer, or whether there's such a thing as too much marketing hype.

T


By the last sentence, I know where you're going with this, but I suspect that the car market in Belgium is different enough from the US market that the car analogy just didn't translate at all.
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