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#2889289 - 11/09/17 03:13 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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thanks dave and ahutnick.....
totally answers my questions and concerns!
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#2889758 - 11/11/17 11:37 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: jimkost2002]
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For any folks within striking distance of Michigan...

Jim will be rocking his Forte7 with Harvey Mason, the drummer from the freaking Headhunters and Manchild albums on Dec 11. A concentration of funk this strong could possibly cause time and space to fold in on themselves.

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#2889761 - 11/11/17 11:45 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Wow..... excellent!
The Mase!
Have a great gig, Mr Alfedson!
...wish i was in strking distance of MI on 12/11!
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#2891215 - 11/19/17 09:23 AM New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo
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Here's a new demo for y'all. All sounds from the Forte 7 except drums (played by the incredible Kevin Depree).

Sounds used include some of David Weiser's custom patches (available for free when you purchase a Forte through him).

https://youtu.be/jQvRGl2tLW8

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#2891225 - 11/19/17 10:06 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Nicely done, Jim.
Proves two things to me.
A) Kurzweil continues to deliver great sounding boards chuck full of great presets.
B) Kurzweil is lucky to have you on board as an endorsing artist. The time and effort put into producing this demo is obvious.

It would be nice to see them release a 73 or 76k synth action yet for those that prefer it on a synth and could do without the weight of the TP-40. But maybe that's the hole the Artis7 fills. I know there are guys that like a 61k synth, but I find it a tad small for splits.



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#2891257 - 11/19/17 02:05 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Yes, a great demo! Jim, what KB3 did you use? Stock, kurz, one of Dave's, or something you tweaked.

I too have a Forte, but it doesn't sound the same when I play it as when Jim plays his. Must be a defective Forte (lol). Seriously, a great gigging keyboard.

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#2891267 - 11/19/17 02:48 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: b3plyr]
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Sweet, short...( maybe too short ) demo! Hard to tell what KB3 program is being used but, it’s good in the mix. I am sure DW will let us know.
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#2891309 - 11/19/17 06:27 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: aellison62]
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I took one of Dave's presets and just used one "drawbar", the 8'. That's an old soul music / gospel trick. Think Charles Hodges on those classic Al Green sides.
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#2891342 - 11/19/17 09:57 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Great demo, Jim !!!
Great sound and playing !!!
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#2891400 - 11/20/17 07:25 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Nicely done, Jim.
Proves two things to me.
A) Kurzweil continues to deliver great sounding boards chuck full of great presets.
B) Kurzweil is lucky to have you on board as an endorsing artist. The time and effort put into producing this demo is obvious.

It would be nice to see them release a 73 or 76k synth action yet for those that prefer it on a synth and could do without the weight of the TP-40. But maybe that's the hole the Artis7 fills. I know there are guys that like a 61k synth, but I find it a tad small for splits.





There's nothing cooler than seeing/hearing a cat like Jim ripping it up with the sounds I designed. (Although I should note the bass sound in this vid was created by my good friend Geoff Gee.)

Re 73 and 61 note boards: I personally am a fan. But from my experience working for keyboard manufacturers, in the flagship/workstation category there's a huge disparity between sales numbers for 88/76 weighted and everything else (61, 73, 76 semi or synth weighted). The larger weighted boards sell in far greater numbers - the difference is staggering.

Still my fingers are crossed - I always love to have the smaller versions available.


Edited by Dave Weiser (11/20/17 03:48 PM)

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#2891401 - 11/20/17 07:27 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Jim is so good at these demos.......
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#2891406 - 11/20/17 07:38 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: teashea]
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So freaking cool. Nice video editing, good sound quality, and very cool playing!

Good work Jim!
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#2891486 - 11/20/17 03:20 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: RudyS]
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Thanks Jim for putting this together & all of your hard work!

I am really enjoying playing the Forte & I'm particularly fond of some of the Rhodes sounds. Dave's programming is superb & I am so grateful for his continuing assistance. Yes Dave I am warming up to the action & it is very fast! The sound sets that Busch adapted for the Forte are also quite amazing. I can't stop playing that 73 Stage. It's a fascinating era for technology in which we live.

Thanks again,
Larry
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#2891540 - 11/20/17 07:32 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Griswold]
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Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'm really digging this keyboard. I really think it deserves more consideration.
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#2891543 - 11/20/17 07:49 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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I'm just delighted Kurzweil is getting some recognition again. I've been a convert since the K2000 and keep eyeing the Forte, which is clearly a huge step forward from my aging K2500X. The Forte's OS-driven evolution from pricey stage piano to full-fledged inheritor of the VAST synth legacy has been impressive and reminiscent of their past commitment to hardware platforms.

What's next? I can only assume the peculiar omission of sequencing from the Forte when it's present in the Forte SE isn't intended to be a permanent state of affairs.
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#2891580 - 11/21/17 01:41 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Lady Gaia]
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Yup this is probably the one keyboard I GAS after (mainly because of the 76 weighted keys). I can't really justify it at the moment, but maybe one day...

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#2892917 - 11/28/17 12:43 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: stoken6]
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+1000 on an optional Forte 76 (not 73) _without the hammer action_.

It would be lighter to carry and better for synth and organ work. And I personally have no problem playing piano/EP parts on my PC361 synth-action keyboard.

For those who need hammer action, the current Forte exists. For those of us who prefer not to lug that around, it would be nice to have a choice of actions in the 76 note Forte. (Artis doesn't cut it due to lack of aftertouch, less sample memory, no user sampling and less DSP power.)

Also, +1000 for adding sequencing back to the Forte. The PC3 has it, why did it go away in the new flagship? It's bad enough to lose breath control and ribbon control inputs, but sequencing is software which could be added back.

So either beef up the Artis7 to Forte specs OR add non-weighted action option and sequencing to the Forte7. Either way, take my money...

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#2892952 - 11/28/17 03:51 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Meta]
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Originally Posted By: Meta
+1000 on an optional Forte 76 (not 73) _without the hammer action_.


I think the next big thing coming will be a step up from FORTE and not a 76 synth action FORTE.

FORTE is in between the PC3 series and some future product.
"Flash Play" is materialized already and next step is using the new DSP chips (IIRC these were called LENA) throughout the (partially upcoming) product range.
We already find at least 1 LENA chip in FORTE and FORTE SE.
It made happen KB3 not using the polyphony it did in PC3 series as also enabled usage of twice the FX blocks inside a program and setup and compared to a PC3 series machine.

We might see more derivative products like SP6 before a new flagship will be introduced though.

A.C.

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#2898930 - 01/01/18 11:11 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Al Coda]
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Just how weighted are the weighted keys on the Forte7? Is it forgiving to players like me who are used to plastic and have no piano-mashing chops? Or is the action on the heavy side?

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#2898935 - 01/01/18 11:29 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: keyman27]
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TP40L, on the light side for a weighted action.
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#2898960 - 01/01/18 02:14 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
TP40L, on the light side for a weighted action.


Comparable light action to the Yamaha DGX 660??
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#2898965 - 01/01/18 03:16 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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I only played the TP40L briefly, quite some time ago. From that memory, I think it's better feeling than Yamaha GHS, a bit more "positive" or "precise" feeling, there's something I find a little "sloppy" in the GHS. I couldn't really say whether one felt noticeably "lighter" or "heavier" than the other.
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#2899025 - 01/01/18 07:58 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
TP40L, on the light side for a weighted action.


That's how I usually describe it. And also "a hammer action that's very friendly for non-piano type parts".

For anyone who wants to try out this action you can check out Kurz PC3x, PC3K8 or A8, PC3LE88, these all use the same action. Also Nord Stage 88 and Nord Piano, they use the VERY similar TP40m action.

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#2909300 - 02/13/18 11:13 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Hey All!!

I'm a bit a late to the party with this thread, but I'm seriously considering condensing my K-series and PC3 series boards to a single Forte 8 for live performance. Can anyone tell me if the Forte can load K-series programs and setups? I suppose I could convert them to PC3 format, then import them into the Forte, but I'm wondering how much info would be lost in the double translation...

Thanks so much!!

Kirk
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#2909322 - 02/13/18 12:31 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Forte looks good. Kind of a steep price point but I guess you get what you pay for.
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#2909327 - 02/13/18 01:01 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: kad]
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Originally Posted By: kad
I suppose I could convert them to PC3 format, then import them into the Forte, but I'm wondering how much info would be lost in the double translation...

That was the way I did it. Worked fine. Only problem I had was that some factory programs from the PC3 I had used in some setups didn't make it to the Forte until I saved them to a user slot in the PC3 first.

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#2909332 - 02/13/18 01:13 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Dave Bryce]
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That's great to know - thank you Dave!!
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#2909406 - 02/13/18 07:59 PM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: kad]
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Hi Kirk, it's been so long ! Are you still playing around Cincy with your long time band ? I hope you're still doing those fantastic Brian Wilson type vocal arrangements. Hope all's well. wave
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#2909799 - 02/15/18 06:35 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
Hi Kirk, it's been so long ! Are you still playing around Cincy with your long time band ? I hope you're still doing those fantastic Brian Wilson type vocal arrangements. Hope all's well. wave


Hey Dave - so great to find you still here!! It's been quite a while since I've posted here - lots of "life" going on. wink Hope you are still doing those wonderful piano reharms!! I've not done a new a capella arrangement in quite a while - just no time for it. The band split in two directions - the guitarist, bass player and myself formed more of an acoustic-type act with a focus on vocal harmonies. So I still have somewhat of a hand in vocal arranging. smile
Great to hear from you!!

Kirk
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#2909803 - 02/15/18 06:51 AM Re: New Kurzweil Forte 7 demo [Re: kad]
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Just an FYI to anyone considering the Forte...

I'll be getting one soon, and I've been working with Dave Weiser. Incredibly great guy!!! He's answered all of my questions in voluminous detail and with a great sense of humor, not to mentioned that he helped DESIGN the Forte and PC3. His prices are excellent, and he offers many extras in terms of soundware, etc. He most definitely has my business.

And no, he did not pay me to write this... wink wink

Kirk
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