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#2881353 - 09/24/17 07:10 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: mate stubb]
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I worked with a band leader that enjoyed reading the crowd in real time.
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Never a setlist.
Everyone just watched and listened as last chorus came around, if someone missed it the guy next to him would clarify, fist went up for last time around on previous tune - two measures and into the next tune.
Kept things from getting stale, always spontaneous.
It was a good crew.
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#2881367 - 09/24/17 10:35 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Speaking of set list functions - geez, I envy you guys who can use set lists.

My band leader hands out paper set lists at every gig. I promptly throw mine down because he inevitably starts changing things a few songs in.

Then there is a lot of frantic "what's next" going on, because he doesn't understand the concept of having to tell us what's coming since we can't trust him to follow the list. facepalm


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Ah, bandleaders, my favorite subject facepalm

I just love when bandleader, tells the guys in band what song is.. maybe announces it to audience..
but doesn't bother to tell me, or at the 11th hour..

Another leader in a blues band, just starts playing his guitar... no count off, not key, no song title.


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#2881392 - 09/25/17 05:34 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff
Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
One thing that surprised me; the organs in the Montage are actually pretty good. I wouldn't do an organ trio gig with them, but the Leslie sim is definitely better.


That's surprising to me too,
and me three ... I have tweaked my Leslie and it sounds better than this:

https://youtu.be/616uZSd6xmg.

I've heard no Yamaha sound anywhere near this good, so IMHO I would disagree with Jim's comparative assessment....


So you compare a stock Yamaha sound with a tweaked Kurz sound? I bet a tweaked Yamaha sound is better than the stock Kurz leslie...
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#2881396 - 09/25/17 06:07 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: DanL]
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#2881422 - 09/25/17 08:03 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
So you compare a stock Yamaha sound with a tweaked Kurz sound? I bet a tweaked Yamaha sound is better than the stock Kurz leslie...

You might be right, but I believe that a tweaked Kurz B3/leslie will sound better than a tweaked Yamaha.
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#2881467 - 09/25/17 10:27 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Just used the 7 foot Forte piano on a Genesis tune I've been tracking (Afterglow) to have fun with the new Hammond. The tune's not supposed to have a piano part...it really sits in the track nicely, though - much better than any other Kurz piano I've tracked.

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#2881567 - 09/25/17 08:22 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Just used the 7 foot Forte piano on a Genesis tune I've been tracking (Afterglow) to have fun with the new Hammond. The tune's not supposed to have a piano part...it really sits in the track nicely, though - much better than any other Kurz piano I've tracked.

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Listening now... Damn that's good man!

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#2881572 - 09/25/17 08:47 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
Originally Posted By: DanL
So you compare a stock Yamaha sound with a tweaked Kurz sound? I bet a tweaked Yamaha sound is better than the stock Kurz leslie...

You might be right, but I believe that a tweaked Kurz B3/leslie will sound better than a tweaked Yamaha.


I concur. The Montage has a respectable ROMpler organ, and with it's highly detailed DSP it sounds quite good. Though when I gigged the Montage in 2016, I still used my iPad with Galileo - connected through audio and MIDI to the keyboard. I would choose KB3 or Kronos' CX3 over the Montage organs, if not using my Hammond. A modeled source with drawbar control still beats a well-detailed ROMpler
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#2881574 - 09/25/17 09:04 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Listening now... Damn that's good man!

Thx, Dave! Needs a different vocalist, I think....guy does a nice job, but I think I know someone who can do it better.

Don't wanna derail, though. Back to regularly scheduled thread.

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#2881578 - 09/25/17 10:00 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Weiser
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Just used the 7 foot Forte piano on a Genesis tune I've been tracking (Afterglow) to have fun with the new Hammond. The tune's not supposed to have a piano part...it really sits in the track nicely, though - much better than any other Kurz piano I've tracked.

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#2881636 - 09/26/17 06:16 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: davedoerfler]
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Love "Afterglow"... and I think the singer does a great job btw....

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#2881666 - 09/26/17 08:41 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: hipogrito]
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Always loved that song: beautiful changes, beautiful melody.

Nice job Dave! Keep the singer smile
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#2881668 - 09/26/17 08:46 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Always loved that song: beautiful changes, beautiful melody.

Nice job Dave! Keep the singer smile


Yup! Singer could be worse, much...much worse. wave

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#2881677 - 09/26/17 09:30 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Always loved that song: beautiful changes, beautiful melody.

Nice job Dave! Keep the singer smile


Yup! Singer could be worse, much...much worse. wave

Thanks, guys!

Yeah, my friend Mark did a nice job - he's the guitar player as well - but I have another friend that wants a shot at it whom I suspect may knock it up a notch.

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#2882136 - 09/28/17 11:41 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
I have another friend that wants a shot at it whom I suspect may knock it up a notch.

At least a notch. smile

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#2882240 - 09/28/17 07:19 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Very cool DB!!!
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#2887588 - 10/28/17 07:13 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: rickzjamm]
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Here's a video I made demonstrating some of the acoustic / electric piano sounds.

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#2887594 - 10/28/17 08:20 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
Here's a video I made demonstrating some of the acoustic / electric piano sounds.


Factory,- or your´s ... edited or created ?

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#2887596 - 10/28/17 08:49 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Al Coda]
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Originally Posted By: Al Coda
Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
Here's a video I made demonstrating some of the acoustic / electric piano sounds.


Factory,- or your´s ... edited or created ?

A.C.


The first piano is one of mine, part of my custom set. The Rhodes is factory but not one of mine, done by a brilliant guy named Rob Currier, a true Rhodes expert. The others are factory and mine.

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#2887611 - 10/29/17 03:20 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Weiser
Originally Posted By: Dave Bryce
Just used the 7 foot Forte piano on a Genesis tune I've been tracking (Afterglow) to have fun with the new Hammond. The tune's not supposed to have a piano part...it really sits in the track nicely, though - much better than any other Kurz piano I've tracked.

dB



Listening now... Damn that's good man!


Great track, dB!
And boy, I know for myself I've lusted a Forte(7) since the thing being announced. No second thought affiliation for me, merely the lack of unlimited financial resources.

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#2887615 - 10/29/17 04:17 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Nordude]
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Great job Dave & Jim!!!!!!
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#2887621 - 10/29/17 06:41 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: rickzjamm]
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Thanks, guys!

I've used the Forte on a few other tracks at this point, and am getting ready to take it out for it's first gig this weekend. I ported my extensive user collection from the PC3k8 - programs, setups, QA banks and a whole bunch of samples from the flash bank - almost completely effortlessly. The only problem I had was with setups that used factory programs that were in the K8 and not in the Forte. Took literally minutes to fix - saved the programs in questkon to user slots in the K8, transfereed them to the Forte, and reassigned the zones in the setup.

My favorite thing - I have yet to need the manual. If you know Kurz, the Forte makes complete sense.

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#2887630 - 10/29/17 09:26 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
Here's a video I made demonstrating some of the acoustic / electric piano sounds.



Great sounds, great playing. Off topic a bit: would you be willing to share a little about which video equipment you used? Which camera and software? Thanks!

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#2887709 - 10/29/17 11:07 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Mike Davis]
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Great sounds, great playing. Off topic a bit: would you be willing to share a little about which video equipment you used? Which camera and software? Thanks!


Sure. I borrowed a Sony SLT-A57 camera from a friend with a few lenses. It can record HD video at 60 frames per second. The audio went into Cubase.

To edit, I had to convert the MTS raw video files to MP4 because my editing software (Sony Vegas 13) doesn't recognize the raw files. Kind of a drag and not only requires an extra step but I'm not sure if they have to be re-compressed or what the conversion process does. But for web stuff, it's fine.

I load the exported stereo audio from Cubase into Vegas, line every thing up, and then start editing. All the titles and such are in Vegas.
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#2887732 - 10/30/17 06:29 AM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Great sounds, great playing. Off topic a bit: would you be willing to share a little about which video equipment you used? Which camera and software? Thanks!


Sure. I borrowed a Sony SLT-A57 camera from a friend with a few lenses. It can record HD video at 60 frames per second. The audio went into Cubase.

To edit, I had to convert the MTS raw video files to MP4 because my editing software (Sony Vegas 13) doesn't recognize the raw files. Kind of a drag and not only requires an extra step but I'm not sure if they have to be re-compressed or what the conversion process does. But for web stuff, it's fine.

I load the exported stereo audio from Cubase into Vegas, line every thing up, and then start editing. All the titles and such are in Vegas.


Very cool, and thank you. I had a feeling it was more than an iPhone smile Well done!

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#2888739 - 11/05/17 07:25 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Jim Alfredson]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Alfredson
Here's a video I made demonstrating some of the acoustic / electric piano sounds.



More cool stuff on the way from Jim, including synths and some of my Rhodes presets... Stay tuned!

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#2889047 - 11/07/17 04:44 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: Dave Weiser]
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More videos will be cool and thanks Jim for telling what equipment you used for the video and besides your playing the sound quality was also very good definitely not an Iphone

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#2889212 - 11/08/17 02:33 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: ahutnick]
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Hi Brothers:

I am thinking of a Forte 7 or SE as a controller/Workstation/Stage Piano and EP....
I’ve been studying the comparison chart on Kurzweil’s website and the only appreciable differences I can see are Flash Play and Sample Memory. Am I correct?
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#2889276 - 11/08/17 08:34 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: jimkost2002]
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The Forte can load 3.3 GB into Flash and the SE can load 188 MB that's a big difference. If you can afford it go for the Forte7.I would also recommend buying yours through Dave Weiser and I just bought a Forte 7 from Dave which I am getting next week.

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#2889277 - 11/08/17 08:39 PM Re: Kurzweil Forte [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002
Hi Brothers:

I am thinking of a Forte 7 or SE as a controller/Workstation/Stage Piano and EP....
I’ve been studying the comparison chart on Kurzweil’s website and the only appreciable differences I can see are Flash Play and Sample Memory. Am I correct?


Here's how I usually lay it out:
Both use Flash Play. Forte has more of it.

SE has Steinway and Yamaha acoustic pianos, one Rhodes, Clav, Harpsi, Celesta - all reduced in size. Has 188MB for user samples.

Forte has bigger/nicer versions of the above, plus a second Rhodes and a Wurly.
Has 3GB for user samples.

The other big difference is keyboard action. Forte and Forte7 have Fatar TP40L, SE has Fatar TP100.

The TP40L is a favorite of mine but I'm as biased as they come - I helped pick it out and created the velocity maps for it back when I worked for Kurz R&D. Heavy enough to impart realism for piano feel, but with a fast enough release that it can handle quick parts like organ, string runs, synth lines and xylophone 16ths - which is why I use hundreds of them in my current gig with Broadway shows.

The TP100 is positioned as a reduced weight, reduced cost hammer action. (Used in the Nord HP models.) For what it is I like the TP100 and am fine with playing it on a gig.

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