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#2878576 - 09/12/17 07:38 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB


2) Korg DS-8.

What a dog!

I'd say anything Reface! I'm sure some people are making good music with them, but boy things have gotten quiet since the original marketing splash.
I'm not a particular fan of any of the mini form factor stuff, but Roland seems to be crushing Yammy with their offerings.

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#2878579 - 09/12/17 07:49 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: ABECK]
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A most dishonorable mention should go to the Yamaha YS-200. A real dog. Basically just a TX81Z with 61 keys and built-in sequencer. Had one for a few years in the 90s. Couldn't wait to get rid of it, which I eventually did. Horrible plastic shell design (and cheap and flimsy too).
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#2878590 - 09/12/17 08:27 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: synthizen2]
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Originally Posted By: synthizen2
Horrible plastic shell design (and cheap and flimsy too).


In other words....a glimpse into the future!

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#2878596 - 09/12/17 08:41 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: synthizen2]
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Originally Posted By: synthizen2
A most dishonorable mention should go to the Yamaha YS-200. A real dog. Basically just a TX81Z with 61 keys and built-in sequencer. Had one for a few years in the 90s. Couldn't wait to get rid of it, which I eventually did. Horrible plastic shell design (and cheap and flimsy too).


The keys' velocity sensitivity is also a bit under powered, at least for controlling anything. But I still use mine for controlling strings, pads, and organ from my Motif. Maybe part of that is that I don't have a better controller keyboard right now.

Aside from that, who doesn't like its "retro-'80s" looks? laugh

For disappointing products, I nominate the Montage as well. The FM-X is nice, but I miss the sequencer and memory expandability. Not to mention the ugly looks, and NO weight reduction at all from the Motif series.

Also Korg Krome and pretty much any of the M-Audio stuff.



Edited by Mighty Motif Max (09/12/17 08:47 AM)
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#2878599 - 09/12/17 08:51 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: RABid]
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I had such high hopes when this was announced but so disappointed with the flimsy buttons and the overall plastic feel.

Also the built in speakers are somewhat under powered.

















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#2878606 - 09/12/17 09:10 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I had such high hopes when this was announced but so disappointed with the flimsy buttons and the overall plastic feel.

Also the built in speakers are somewhat under powered.





















idea roll


Edited by Mighty Motif Max (09/12/17 09:11 AM)
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#2878633 - 09/12/17 11:06 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I had such high hopes when this was announced but so disappointed with the flimsy buttons and the overall plastic feel.

Also the built in speakers are somewhat under powered.


The keys don't light up, do they?



Edited by David Loving (09/12/17 11:07 AM)
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#2878635 - 09/12/17 11:10 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I had such high hopes when this was announced but so disappointed with the flimsy buttons and the overall plastic feel.

Also the built in speakers are somewhat under powered.


















Is that a new offering by Nord?
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#2878656 - 09/12/17 01:09 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Originally Posted By: The Real MC
Yamaha DX7 that clangorous FM sound never appealed to me, and the 2 or 3 patches that did sound OK were overused to death. Want to tweak the patches so they don't suck? Not with that user hostile interface.

It's easy to say this looking back. I remember being very impressed with the DX7 when it debuted. Back then it was Oberheims, Prophet 5s, Moogs – subtractive synths all. FM was a new world and many of those sounds, as dated and clangorous as they sound to us today, were unattainable with the typical synth of that era. Yea a lot of the DX sounds got old quickly since pretty much the entire world jumped on FM until it was supplanted by romplers.


I was actively gigging during those days. A lot of people liked the new world of FM sounds but I was not one of them. I held onto my subtractive synths.

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#2878660 - 09/12/17 01:33 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: The Real MC]
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I liked the TX7 a lot as a MIDI layer element with the D-50 or my Ensoniq synths. Kind of the same way I use Korg's MOD-7 or FM-7.


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#2878668 - 09/12/17 02:22 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: CEB]
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DX7 was not all bad... it was almost great, and it could suck too.
Jay Oliver used a very large number of DX7's in some other form factor.. and he is a killer musician. I think Dave Ferris might know of him.

The DX7 had a desirable immediacy to its touch that I really liked.

A bit OT but think of it
a Hammond was an attempt to mimic a real organ

Rhodes mimiced a piano

DX7 same deal
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#2878674 - 09/12/17 02:42 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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Korg Poly 61. It seemed like a good idea but ended up being uninspiring to play.
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#2878678 - 09/12/17 02:50 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Sam Mullins]
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Hi,

Well, I might be in the minority here but I loved my D-70... used it a lot in my times in Nexx.

The thing about the Piano sound in the D-70 was not that it sounded real, which it didn't, but that it blended very nice when playing 80's style rock in a band along with distorted guitars... the 2 layers in the piano were just great to play soft and quiet or ultra-bright, it didn't have anything in between, but it just worked! And with a little editing you could get very nice pad sounds. Love it! I still have it but I broke the power cable and having a unit that requires 220 Volts I was lazy to fix it... need to do it one of these days....

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZTGYVvhZQ (the piano+strings are from the D-70 see the different sound in the quiet parts vs the parts when the guitars are there), like all the instrumental part in the middle.

Regards,
Fran



Edited by hipogrito (09/12/17 02:51 PM)

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#2878704 - 09/12/17 03:38 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: GordoTheGreek]
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yes , the xb-2 was an epic dud , i didn't keep mine long enough
for the keys to start falling off though

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#2878719 - 09/12/17 04:30 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: bill bosco]
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DX7 was a keyboard of compromise. You gave up that luscious analog sound. In return you got increased polyphony and rock solid tuning. Something any working musician relying on analogs could appreciate.
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#2878723 - 09/12/17 04:41 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: RABid]
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The first Korg Poly 6 and Roland Juno 6 pre-dated versions with memory Poly 61 and Juno 60. I always wondered why anyone would waste the money.


Edited by 16251 (09/12/17 04:56 PM)
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#2878726 - 09/12/17 04:52 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: hipogrito]
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Originally Posted By: hipogrito
Hi,

Well, I might be in the minority here but I loved my D-70... used it a lot in my times in Nexx.

The thing about the Piano sound in the D-70 was not that it sounded real, which it didn't, but that it blended very nice when playing 80's style rock in a band along with distorted guitars... the 2 layers in the piano were just great to play soft and quiet or ultra-bright, it didn't have anything in between, but it just worked! And with a little editing you could get very nice pad sounds. Love it! I still have it but I broke the power cable and having a unit that requires 220 Volts I was lazy to fix it... need to do it one of these days....

For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZTGYVvhZQ (the piano+strings are from the D-70 see the different sound in the quiet parts vs the parts when the guitars are there), like all the instrumental part in the middle.

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Question

I was a lover of JV 1000 - after losing one ( don't ask ) I bought a second one ( second hand ).

What is the lineage of the D 50 and the D 70 and the JV series too?
It seems the D70 was a model I always wanted.. but I am not sure.
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#2878729 - 09/12/17 05:11 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: 16251]
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Originally Posted By: 16251
The first Korg Poly 6 and Roland Juno 6 pre-dated versions with memory Poly 61 and Juno 60. I always wondered why anyone would waste the money.


The poly 6 and 61 have nothing to with each other.
Poly 6 is a single VCO synth with ensemble fx
Poly 61 is a dual DCO synth without ensemble fx
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#2878733 - 09/12/17 05:23 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: analogholic]
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Polymoog

For some, the thinking was that if Moogs are corpulent, then the Poly should have been fat multiple times over. I think that people were disappointed that the Polymoog was not that at all.

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#2878745 - 09/12/17 06:36 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: The Real MC]
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Originally Posted By: The Real MC

I was actively gigging during those days. A lot of people liked the new world of FM sounds but I was not one of them. I held onto my subtractive synths.


The music store had a DX7 next to a JX-8P. The DX had one really awesome sound. The JX did strings, brass, a passable EP, lush pads--everything the music of the day needed. I bought the JX, much to the chagrin of a number of bandmates. I had to augment the JX with a TX-81z to appease the crowd. But time has proven me right, dammit.

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#2878746 - 09/12/17 06:37 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: analogholic]
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Originally Posted By: analogholic
Originally Posted By: 16251
The first Korg Poly 6 and Roland Juno 6 pre-dated versions with memory Poly 61 and Juno 60. I always wondered why anyone would waste the money.


The poly 6 and 61 have nothing to with each other.
Poly 6 is a single VCO synth with ensemble fx
Poly 61 is a dual DCO synth without ensemble fx


The Korg Polysix does have patch memory. The Roland Juno-6 did not. The reason why I bought one was it was cheaper than the Juno-60 and I could only afford the Juno-6 at the time. I had to manually change sounds in between songs. Taught me how to program very quickly.
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#2878766 - 09/12/17 08:13 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: RABid]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
DX7 was a keyboard of compromise. You gave up that luscious analog sound.

I hate to sound like some DX cheerleader because I'm really not - but I had to comment. "Giving up that luscious analog sound" was exactly the point of the DX7! It made completely different sounds that no analog synth at the time could make – and don't forget that it cost about half of what an OBX or a Prophet 5 cost. I don't remember Yamaha saying you should throw away your analog synths – I kept my OBXa.

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#2878811 - 09/13/17 06:18 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: ksoper]
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Originally Posted By: ksoper
Originally Posted By: The Real MC

I was actively gigging during those days. A lot of people liked the new world of FM sounds but I was not one of them. I held onto my subtractive synths.


The music store had a DX7 next to a JX-8P. The DX had one really awesome sound. The JX did strings, brass, a passable EP, lush pads--everything the music of the day needed. I bought the JX, much to the chagrin of a number of bandmates. I had to augment the JX with a TX-81z to appease the crowd. But time has proven me right, dammit.


I bought a JX10 over the DX7 for the same reason, plus it had a 7 octave keyboard that was a big plus for me.
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#2878813 - 09/13/17 06:47 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: DanL]
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Well. As so often happens, I learned something here today. When I saw you guys doing side by side comparisons of the Roland JX series and the Yamaha DX7, my reaction was Nope, the DX7 came way before those synths. Wrong again. They were direct competitors. I had the JX-3P when it first came out and would have sworn that the DX7 was already pretty old by then. But as it happens...
DX7 1983-1989
JX3P 1983-1985
JX8P 1985-1989
JX10 1986-1989

Shows what I know.
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#2878815 - 09/13/17 06:57 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: DanL]
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I was never bowled over by the DX7, but I bought one for two primary reasons:
1. Pressure - The first question you were asked as a keyboard player was "where's your DX7?"
2. Polyphony - at the time, it was really the most affordable instrument with 16 voices, while most of the competitive synthesizers were 6 or 8

I was thrilled to get rid of it, and really can't stand that EP sound to this day.

To me, however, the most disappointing keyboard product release what the entire line of "Rhodes" pianos when Roland took over the brand. They were collectively awful.

Dishonorable mentions go to the Alpha Junos and pretty much all the 4-operator Yamaha FM synths.
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#2878820 - 09/13/17 07:05 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: DanL]
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The first DX7 run had some pretty weird anomalies iirc. Velocity that went to 100 or 110 (I think only installing an E! board fixed this), and channel aftertouch was CC#3. But when it was first released, FM synthesis for the masses was brand new. The DX7 made sounds you could not get from the regular (and twice as expensive) analogs of the day. I remember that some of them were closer to the real thing than what any Oberheim, Moog, or Prophet could make – a flute with a breath noise component for one. Then there were those clangorous bells that we love to hate today. The EPs, which are also universally hated now, were a brand-new sound then and way more expressive than any analog could do since those didn't have velocity sensitivity.

I just think people's opinions are colored by the passage of time. I knew some of the top keyboardists in the NYC studio scene back then, and none of them were disappointed by the DX7. In fact, they were the complete opposite of disappointed.

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#2878831 - 09/13/17 07:43 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Reezekeys]
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I used the Rhodes VK1000 as my main board for a long time. It had a decent organ sound and was a good controller for a JV880 module I used for pianos and other sounds. I ran the VK into a Leslie for a while, and then a Motion Sound that was the top rotor that fed the low end into your amp.
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#2878832 - 09/13/17 07:46 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Doc Tonewheel]
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Originally Posted By: Doc Tonewheel
Originally Posted By: analogholic
Originally Posted By: 16251
The first Korg Poly 6 and Roland Juno 6 pre-dated versions with memory Poly 61 and Juno 60. I always wondered why anyone would waste the money.


The poly 6 and 61 have nothing to with each other.
Poly 6 is a single VCO synth with ensemble fx
Poly 61 is a dual DCO synth without ensemble fx


The Korg Polysix does have patch memory. The Roland Juno-6 did not. The reason why I bought one was it was cheaper than the Juno-60 and I could only afford the Juno-6 at the time. I had to manually change sounds in between songs. Taught me how to program very quickly.


Yeah I was remembering about Polysix from the early 80's, and I did just google it and I did speak incorrectly; it had 32 memory slots. It was the first low-priced poly synth. I never bought one but I did buy a Juno 60, once Roland added memory. I had both the Jun0 60 and Prophet 600 and had a DX7 for my piano sound. Once the Roland MKS-20 module came out I used the DX7 for mostly controller until I sold for Korg SG-1D. Old gas...


Edited by 16251 (09/13/17 07:49 AM)
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#2878898 - 09/13/17 11:17 AM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: RABid
DX7 was a keyboard of compromise. You gave up that luscious analog sound.

I hate to sound like some DX cheerleader because I'm really not - but I had to comment. "Giving up that luscious analog sound" was exactly the point of the DX7! It made completely different sounds that no analog synth at the time could make – and don't forget that it cost about half of what an OBX or a Prophet 5 cost. I don't remember Yamaha saying you should throw away your analog synths – I kept my OBXa.


I guess we come from different worlds. I was a full time keyboardist playing analogs. Every Sunday I spent a few hours tuning the 18 oscillators in my MemoryMoog. The DX7 did away with that problem. Sure, it had cool gong and bell sounds, but it also has some thin sounding square lead and hoover patches that were necessary if I was going to replace that troublesome Moog. Yamaha never told me to replace my analogs, but as a working road musician I had limits to what I could keep and carry. Getting a DX7 meant getting rid of something. At the time I considered it a good trade. The DX7 was a great keyboard, but the sound was really thin.
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#2878993 - 09/13/17 07:18 PM Re: Keyboards whose product release were very disappointing. [Re: RABid]
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Staying with the DX tangent for a paragraph, when I had a choice of either getting a DX7 or a Mirage sampler, I picked the Mirage for the acoustic piano, which at 8 bits was still more piano-ish than 6-operator FM or analog could get me. I loved it, and remained an Ensoniq partisan for some 10 years or more.

Back to disappointments, a big one for me (over time) was the Fusion 6HD, which had an amazing sound engine (around 200 osc polyphony), reed, flue, and analog models, wonderful controller routing (nigh as deep as VAST), and a HD recording system.

Unfortunately, the software was buggy from the get-go, and mine also had hardware problems that would require multiple attempts to even boot. I tried for almost ten years to love it, and programmed the bleep out of it, but when I finally traded it in at GC, I was just glad to see it go.
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