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#2878749 - 09/12/17 07:10 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I really liked the layout and feel of my Roland VR-760 back in the day and, while some people hated it, I liked it. This looks like a step back in the right direction of a good build, feel, wood ends, etc.

I just bought the FA-07 and I could just as easily send it back for a preorder on this, but I think the FA-07 just has so much more going on, I'm not GASing for this at all. My vote: FA-07
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#2878750 - 09/12/17 07:13 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: tfort]
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Originally Posted By: tfort
I keep waiting for a single-manual controller with a good keybed and MIDI implementation for organ VSTs. Maybe Crumar's upcoming "7th product" they teased about back in July will finally be it.


Does the Mojo 61 not fit this bill? Honestly interested simply because I own a VR700...and would love to upgrade but if I do it's only going to be to something that can also work with VSTs.

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#2878758 - 09/12/17 07:42 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Stokely]
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How much of a price hit would it have been to put a proper set of drawbars on the 730 instead of what looks like the 09's. Perhaps they are more robust than the 09's? Not sure yet.

The VST situation being what it is, having the drawbars send midi would seem to be a no brainer and easily implemented improvement. As would including the sub out.

Sound wise is it a significant improvement over the 700? I guess we'll see. Not too much thought appears to have gone into really differentiating this from the 09 at $899 beyond hopefully the action. On the other hand, again, the 09 has been very successful and a $1499 73k 09 is perhaps good enough. Maybe they should have just called it VR-09 73k. The 7xx designation is a little questionable. No?

21.82lbs, wooden end cheeks, I'm guessing it splits and layers properly unlike the VOX. And the iPad editor also offers more control than the VOX as well. Multiple Leslie simulations. Ok, I'm going to go play it and see what's what. Maybe they focused on some nice things here sound wise with choice picks from the supernatural collection.
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#2878771 - 09/12/17 08:29 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
How much of a price hit would it have been to put a proper set of drawbars on the 730 instead of what looks like the 09's.

Probably not insignificant, because I expect they are using the exact control surface of the VR09/VR09B. A full-size drawbar set would mean fabricating a new control surface and new electronics underneath (since the component spacings wouldn't match). It's cheaper to make more use of the same board than to design an even slightly different one. That could be the bigger cost factor in making that kind of change.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
The VST situation being what it is, having the drawbars send midi would seem to be a no brainer and easily implemented improvement. As would including the sub out.

I agree about the first, but not the second. Again, that would require new hardware. Not just the jack, of course, but the internal electronics that send something to it, requiring again, a board redesign, and preventing the continued use of the same board as the VR09.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Maybe they should have just called it VR-09 73k. The 7xx designation is a little questionable. No?

I would have called it the VR-709. But a rose by any other name...

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I'm guessing it splits and layers properly unlike the VOX.

Presumably the same as the VR09.
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#2878772 - 09/12/17 08:36 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: To B3]
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Originally Posted By: To B3
Seems like the popular demands were not fixed (different effects assignable to both parts of a split, pedal assigning per patch, etc)... but I'm really curious about the OS update, to see that leslie type 3 in action... will try to update today before my band's rehearsal and see how it goes.... I really couldn't see what are the real differences between the classic VR (can we call it that, already? LOL) and the B, beyond some new sounds and the new OS already installed...


Is there an OS update for the classic vr-09? Didn't see any mention of that.
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#2878775 - 09/12/17 08:50 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: KeyMoe]
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On Sweetwater - VR-730 is $1,499 MAP, so same price as FA-07.
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#2878783 - 09/12/17 11:43 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Disappointing to see keyboards like this (the VR-730, FA-07), at $1499, seemingly pretty pro-oriented, and yet with external power supply.

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#2878790 - 09/13/17 02:19 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: zxcvbnm098]
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I have a buddy who fell in love with the VR-09 based on the videos and has been enjoying it ever since. He's a weekend warrior with his part originals, part covers rock band, software engineer by profession, and he's not obsessed about sounding exactly authentic, nor requires sophisticated splits with effects. Rather he enjoys the immediacy and knobtweakability as well as the low price and weight.
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#2878795 - 09/13/17 04:05 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: marczellm]
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#2878799 - 09/13/17 04:31 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: GregC]
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#2878806 - 09/13/17 05:54 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: zxcvbnm098]
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Originally Posted By: zxcvbnm098
Disappointing to see keyboards like this (the VR-730, FA-07), at $1499, seemingly pretty pro-oriented, and yet with external power supply.

deadhorse

Few boards in this price range have internal power supplies.

Main advantages of externals are in making the board lighter and cheaper, and cheap/easy to self-repair compared to needing to replace an internal power supply (admittedly a rare occurrence regardless). Also internationally universal, in a cheaper way than building in a universal power supply and without having to go through as much regulatory approval for each country.

The only competitor that is remotely close to these boards in both weight and price that has an internal power supply is the Kurzweil Artis7, which is still about 28 lbs compared to 17 for the FA-07 and 22 for the VR-730. The other options are either much heavier (Korg SV1, Kawai MP7) or much more expensive (Nord Electro 5, Stage 3).

At least external power supplies have gotten much better than they used to be, Now they are more often "lump in the middle" instead of wall wart, and they are much lighter (older ones could more easily break if you dropped them). As was recently discussed in relation to some comparable Korgs, the Roland style of adapter could be velcro'd to the board itself, leaving you with a reasonably common (and more robust) power cord to run from that point forward. That would largely address the complaints of an external power supply... easy breakage, or ease of leaving it behind at a gig or at home. Though it does require that your carry case be big enough to accommodate the board with the attachment.

I suspect these Rolands might be much heavier with an internal power supply, and light weight is one of their big selling points. I'm not sure about this part, but as far as I can recall, I have never seen a plastic chassis board with an internal power supply. I don't know if that's coincidence, or if there is some technical or regulatory complication in putting a power supply inside such a board. If that were the case, a board like this could get quite a bit heavier, if it meant having a metal chassis instead of a plastic one.
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#2878835 - 09/13/17 07:56 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
On Sweetwater - VR-730 is $1,499 MAP, so same price as FA-07.

The VR-09B is $300 less than the FA-06. The 76 key versions of these boards (with no differences from their 61 key counterparts except the actions) cost the same. So the VR-730 action is essentially $300 more expensive than the FA-07 action, in terms of what these actions are adding to the price of their 61-key counterparts. Unless there are other advantages of the VR-730 over the VR-09B that I'm not aware of, which are also contributing to the price difference.

If someone doesn't need all the other features of the FA but wants the better action and the drawbars, well, it's still a lot cheaper than the SK1-73 and the NE5D-73.

If Roland had fixed most of those other things I listed in my earlier list of VR-09 shortcomings, I'd possibly consider it over the FA-07 I just got, if the action is that much superior. But without those changes, for my own use, there are too many gotcha's, I'll stick with the FA, if either. (And I do happen to own the Ocean Beach drawbars that work with it, if I need them.)
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#2878837 - 09/13/17 08:15 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Does anyone know if the effects section has the same limitation as the original 09, i.e., one knob simultaneously controlling 2 different parameters of the effect? That was the Achilles Heel of the original and rendered the effects totally useless, IMO.

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#2878852 - 09/13/17 09:01 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: AnotherScott]
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In a nutshell, this is Roland's strategy when competing with Hammond, Nord, and now Crumar, Dexibell, Korg/VOX. I suspect they've sold more VR-09s than probably VR-700 and 760s combined. The 09 is successful because it eschews the cost adding features we whine about and focuses on the mission of offering features and sounds the majority need at great value. So when revisiting the 7xx line they chose to offer an 09 with an organ lovers action/keys. I wish this had also included the drawbars off the 700 rather than the 09. But as Scott suggested, it wouldn't have been as simple as dropping 09 hardware in a new case and action.

I think we've always appreciated Roland as offering synths at a great value while other developers focus on boutique products at higher price points.
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#2878873 - 09/13/17 10:07 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2878883 - 09/13/17 10:43 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: RABid]
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It can't fix C/V on percussion....

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#2878893 - 09/13/17 11:09 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Stokely]
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Originally Posted By: Stokely
Originally Posted By: tfort
I keep waiting for a single-manual controller with a good keybed and MIDI implementation for organ VSTs. Maybe Crumar's upcoming "7th product" they teased about back in July will finally be it.


Does the Mojo 61 not fit this bill? Honestly interested simply because I own a VR700...and would love to upgrade but if I do it's only going to be to something that can also work with VSTs.


It would if Crumar sold it for half the price without the sounds... Or ideally with a better screen and 76 keys.

I also am not sure that the MIDI implementation of the Mojo 61 would work well with MainStage.

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#2878916 - 09/13/17 12:20 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: tfort]
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I agree with Ken Heeter on this.

When I made a note of the fact that the percussion " warbled" when the CV was on, Craig MacDonald claimed that I must be out of my mind.... that it should make no difference blah blah etc.etc.


It was a deal breaker for me. Otherwise I have been a fan of V K engine organs. But not the VR 09.

Is there actually a new Roland organ coming out? Fingers crossed that it approaches the quality of the VK8m.

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#2878980 - 09/13/17 06:32 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: LX88]
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The D-5 looks like a nice layout and choice of features to directly model in the physical controllers.

Tomorrow's the big day, with several announcements vs. the one-per-day so far.
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#2879087 - 09/14/17 06:11 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Did the OS update on my VR-09 "Classic" (LOL) and got the new rotary speaker sim, standard on the new VR-09B/VR-730... Gotta say that, combined with the new overdrive parameter, it gave a new life to the B3 sim... Punchier, fatter, much more 3D like even in mono... definitely worth it and got me quitting about the Lester K... Update now if you can, VR-09 owners! grin
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#2879199 - 09/14/17 11:02 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: To B3]
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Is that the 1.03 update, that you're talking about?

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#2879213 - 09/14/17 11:40 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: agitato]
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I was watching the official Roland videos for these products and thought: "Wow, I wouldn't have been that much worse". What did you think when you were watching those videos? Did the presenter did a good job at showing what those products can do?

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#2879214 - 09/14/17 11:49 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Gretel]
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I suspect the reason boards at this price range don't have internal power supplies is that it means they can sell them in the US without going through UL(etc) testing. All they have to do is source UL-approved supplies. The standards testing process can between quite expensive and extremely time-consuming. Never mind the inherent cost-savings of not needing, for example, a flame-proof or self-extinguishing chassis.
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#2879215 - 09/14/17 11:50 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: WesG]
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To B3: Thanks for the note. I have a gig tomorrow night that might need VR09 organ................I better get on this.
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#2879219 - 09/14/17 11:59 AM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: agitato]
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Is that the 1.03 update, that you're talking about?

Vers 1.11
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#2879223 - 09/14/17 12:02 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: WesG]
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Make sure you save your registrations first! The update erases them. I didnt save, as I use few sounds, I prefered to start all over from scratch!

But it's a big, big improvement on sound.

Originally Posted By: WesG
To B3: Thanks for the note. I have a gig tomorrow night that might need VR09 organ................I better get on this.
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#2879278 - 09/14/17 03:07 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: To B3]
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So for the street price of maybe $1300 you get the VR09 B3 sound engine in a 73-note package with possibly very good action (if it's like the VR760). Plus a good selection of Roland pianos and other sounds. This is looking like a good bang for the buck package if you can live with something that's not quite clone-quality organ. I hope they get the swell pedal right. Again, poorly-calibrated volume pedal is no substitute for swell.
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#2879282 - 09/14/17 03:22 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: Adan]
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The piano announcement is an FP-60.



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Piano: 15 tones
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Advanced onboard speaker system provides rich, powerful sound for home playing and intimate live performances

Also includes electric pianos, strings, organs, and synth sounds from Roland’s flagship instruments

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#2879338 - 09/14/17 08:58 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Wow, did the 1.11 update on my original VR-09 - sounds fantastic, overdrive is sounding far, far better. Rotary much improved on as well, more options. Sounds really good, drawer bars even seem better.

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#2879343 - 09/14/17 09:25 PM Re: September Roland Announcements - 2 new digital organs? [Re: To B3]
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Does the 1.11 update include the 22 extra sounds, that are on the 09b's voice list?

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