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#2879253 - 09/14/17 01:18 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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D, you've been out of town too long LOL! As to the Marcels, I didn't just mention them, I gave them full credit for their original Doo Wop version that Sha Na Na copied theirs from...

As to my big E version of Blue Moon, I have full knowledge of His re-write of Bill Monroe's Blue Moon of Kentucky. Which is the flip side of the 1st rock and roll tune That's Alright (Mama) by Elvis in 1954. But, since I was not talking about Blue Moon of Kentucky and was definitely talking about Blue Moon, Here is the Elvis version of the song, to which you think he didn't record and I didn't know about as well LOL! I think his version sucks BTW. dig that unique rhythmic groove LOL!:




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#2879255 - 09/14/17 01:19 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
Well, we all cop ideas from other people, LOL. Where it becomes plagiarism is sometimes hard to tell.


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#2879258 - 09/14/17 01:30 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
D, you've been out of town too long LOL! As to the Marcels, I didn't just mention them, I gave them full credit for their original Doo Wop version that Sha Na Na copied theirs from...

As to my big E version of Blue Moon, I have full knowledge of His re-write of Bill Monroe's Blue Moon of Kentucky. Which is the flip side of the 1st rock and roll tune That's Alright (Mama) by Elvis in 1954. But, since I was not talking about Blue Moon of Kentucky and was definitely talking about Blue Moon, Here is the Elvis version of the song, to which you think I didn't know about as well LOL!:




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Ya skipped over any reason why you chose to hype SNN rather than the Marcels or the Platters versions.
snax
On the Elvis thing, since you mentioned him in the same sentence as discussing the Rodgers & Hart tune, it seemed like you were referring to that song, which I never knew, til today, that Presley recorded til
As to his version of that, gotta say, it's odd but quite like most stereotypical film cowboy music.

If ya wanna keep swimming back upstream om that subject PM me, OK ?
So we don't tire everyone else.

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#2879261 - 09/14/17 01:34 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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Meanwhile, back to the future.

Here's a ltttle sumpin' from the King of Unique Rhythmic Grooves...
How many of yer fave rock bands had/have drummers who could/can play in 2 or 3 times signatures at once ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QBkD1Xub3k
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#2879273 - 09/14/17 02:33 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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If you two are gonna debate anything about the "original" BLUE MOON, then give credit where credit is due.

https://youtu.be/3roal_j8aO0

Was a ROGERS and HART song penned in 1934, and recorded here in '35.
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#2879281 - 09/14/17 03:20 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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We are not debating Fang, every discussion is not a debate. I did mention "the original in 1934" (paraphrasing) in my 8/30/17 post. I didn't call it by name as when it was 1st recorded in 1933 it was not titled as Blue Moon. It was in the Manhattan Melodrama before it was cut, as Just That Kind Of Play, sung by Shirley Ross. It was rewritten and copyrighted as Blue Moon in 1934:





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#2879345 - 09/14/17 09:46 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
Ya skipped over any reason why you chose to hype SNN rather than the Marcels or the Platters versions.
snax
On the Elvis thing, since you mentioned him in the same sentence as discussing the Rodgers & Hart tune, it seemed like you were referring to that song, which I never knew, til today, that Presley recorded til
As to his version of that, gotta say, it's odd but quite like most stereotypical film cowboy music.

If ya wanna keep swimming back upstream om that subject PM me, OK ?
So we don't tire everyone else.



Nope, +1 I think we covered it quite well and no need to linger and bore everyone LOL! I'm just clarifying that I knew the difference between the two as an old Elvis fan of the forum. Elvis did his Blue Moon of Kentucky at the grand old opry audition and the cowboys didn't care for it and told him he couldn't sing LOL! The only reason for the Sha Na Na video instead of the Marcels, was to show the 3 things going on with a live visual in their version (which is true to the Marcels) both of which were a new take on an old tune (i.e. Blue Moon). The rest of that EP LP is pretty good. I was really surprised to learn the original wasn't even called Blue Moon and had different lyrics... cool
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#2879369 - 09/15/17 04:30 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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The Marcels did their "Doo-Wop" version of the song during a period it seems, when "modern" pop and R&B singers were doing "modernized" versions of old tunes from the '30s and '40's.

Like Etta James and "At Last" (A Warren/Gordon tune from '41) and The Moonglows with "I Only have Eyes For You"(another Harry Warren melody with lyrics that time by Al Durbin '34)

The Marcels kept at it for a bit too, re-"Doo-wop"-ing old tunes "Heartaches"( '31) and "Meloncholy Baby"('12!). But "Blue Moon" was probably their biggest "hit".

Other groups, like The Ventures joined in too, with updated versions of "Harlem Nocturne" ('39) and "Slaughter On 10th Avenue"('36) And drummer Sandy Nelson also chimed in with a version of "Big Noise From Winnetka"( '38).

All of them proving that good songs are good songs no matter what "clothes" you dress them up in. wink
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#2879402 - 09/15/17 07:15 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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I like doing old tunes. When I was about 14 I arranged my own jazzy version of Five Foot Two 1925. One of my buddies liked it so much, he still plays it LOL! The oldest song I play at an annual cowboy gig that I do is Home On The Range 1872. Then there is Scotch and Soda and Summertime 1932. Since I Fell For You 1945. And throw in those Elvis remakes from the late 40's. I love finding real old tunes that get me going. I like a lot of the 50's, 60's and 70's tunes both R&R and Country that make up the rest of my set lists. The newest song I do is from 1995 LOL! cool
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#2879609 - 09/16/17 04:31 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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To some, that would be an "oldie"!

Anyway, back to "unique rhythmic grooves", here's another on from Jan Hammer Group's "Oh Yeah?" LP---

https://youtu.be/z2hgIDW8Jpg

WARNING:

You're not gonna hear the same level of musical virtuosity that you'd hear in any MADONNA video. grin
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#2879617 - 09/16/17 05:33 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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Maybe I was just born too late, but I could never relate to Doo-Wop. Wind back a decade or two, and I appreciate the erudition and cleverness of Tin Pan Alley lyrics-I think artists like Jason Mraz are carrying on that tradition these days. I didn`t really pay attention until a group called Manhattan Transfer came along and fused Doo-Wop and jazz-harmonies inspired by the Count Basie orchestra, from their interviews. Then Take Six did their thing and now `vocalese` is pretty much in the standard lexicon. To those who would say no, it`s from barbershop quartet-that was and still is a purely a capella style.
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#2879648 - 09/16/17 08:58 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: skipclone 1]
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I'm not a big fan of Doo-Wop or Barbershop as they sound a like in many ways. I can take a little of both and I like a capella contests like the Sing Off program. But I really appreciate the harmony talent that comes out in both genres and they can get some unique rhythmic grooves. Here's a cool little sample of BBShop to pretend you're the judge by:



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#2879654 - 09/16/17 09:57 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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there's always this:



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#2879765 - 09/17/17 04:36 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: hurricane hugo]
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I suppose the biggest difference between "Barbershop" and "Doo-wop" would be that once those "street corner" Doo-wop guys got "discovered" and taken into the studio, their stuff usually featured muiscal backing by either a band or orchestra( think The Four Seasons). None of the Barbershop Quartet recordings I've heard ever had ANY musicians backing them up. The rhythm was usually kept by the bass voice's constant "Boom, ba-ba-ba Boom" wink

HUGO---

Cool stuff. I'm wondering if possibly "Konnakol" is Hindi for "Scatman"! wink
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#2879894 - 09/17/17 11:28 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: hurricane hugo]
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Very kool-the drummer in one of my main bands in N.Y. was actually more versed in percussion, specifically Indian-he was not exactly groove-oriented. He and our bass player did side gigs on tablas and Sarod. Our keyboard player and I split the cost on a book and tape called Ragapedia, with a list of raga scales and their intended use. I photocopied the first parts of the book and I have the tape sitting around somewhere. He got the actual text, which in retrospect is probably the better part of the deal.
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#2879961 - 09/18/17 08:24 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: skipclone 1]
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Why so little discussion of the musical qualities of these trax & , instead, the belabored memories of when some heard something.
Music, not reruns is why we here, ain't it ?

If ya can'tr talk abt music, maybe ya oughtas just be quiet for a while, WNeveahGetIt.... hitt


That said, Hugo, the Konnakol clip's abit hard for me to follow, I think b/c it's flipping between things rather than simultaneous.
& the other's more demonstration of a concept than en example of the idea ?
[See what I mean ?]
I realy like the ambient background swirl of sound more than the foreground instruction.
KInda seems like a lost Lennon/McCartney/Martin thing !

When anyone has time, how abt a comment on that CB track ?
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#2879965 - 09/18/17 08:41 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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Quote:

To some, that would be an "oldie"!

Anyway, back to "unique rhythmic grooves", here's another on from Jan Hammer Group's "Oh Yeah?" LP---

https://youtu.be/z2hgIDW8Jpg

WARNING:

You're not gonna hear the same level of musical virtuosity that you'd hear in any MADONNA video.


Jan hammer's OK but Madonna & her producer's wipe him off the map with that single track I posted above.
Plus you don't even kniow how to count Hammer's music.
Yeh, I said that.
Demonstrate otherwise, WNGI
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#2879968 - 09/18/17 08:56 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
Why so little discussion of the musical qualities of these trax & , instead, the belabored memories of when some heard something.
Music, not reruns is why we here, ain't it ?

If ya can'tr talk abt music, maybe ya oughtas just be quiet for a while, WNeveahGetIt.... hitt


That said, Hugo, the Konnakol clip's abit hard for me to follow, I think b/c it's flipping between things rather than simultaneous.
& the other's more demonstration of a concept than en example of the idea ?
[See what I mean ?]
I realy like the ambient background swirl of sound more than the foreground instruction.
KInda seems like a lost Lennon/McCartney/Martin thing !

When anyone has time, how abt a comment on that CB track ?
snax


The OP asked if we could think of any others...thus, using our memories. Commentary is just as important without the posting of YouTube tracks. Some of them like the CB track really do not interest me, so I do as requested and remain silent for awhile.

The CB track is not for me as are some of the other clips being posted which are more about being busy with it, than being musical IMHO. A lot of jazz is not interesting to me for the same reason. While a lot of it does depending on whether or not it has context that I understand or it at least interests me. I find more unique rhythmic grooves in the vocals than in many of the rhythm section(s) LOL! I'm not that taken with the drumming in the CB track...sometimes I try to withhold negative comment like these. cool


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#2879976 - 09/18/17 09:21 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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That's a lame explanation for why you don't say anything abt what the music others post.

We're here to discuss music not just memories.

Get in the game, LarZ or go out w./ WNGI

On the other hand...
Originally Posted By: Larryz
[quote=d]The CB track is not for me as are some of the other clips being posted which are more about being busy with it, than being musical IMHO. A lot of jazz is not interesting to me for the same reason. While a lot of it does depending on whether or not it has context that I understand or it at least interests me. I find more unique rhythmic grooves in the vocals than in many of the rhythm section(s) LOL! I'm not that taken with the drumming in the CB track...sometimes I try to withhold negative comment like these. cool

That's at least saying something.
Negative's better than irrrelavent.
Something that actually responds's better than lip flappin'.
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#2879999 - 09/18/17 10:02 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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It may be lame, but it's mine...
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#2880009 - 09/18/17 10:40 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: Larryz]
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I can see your whining as far as how others respond in threads YOU initiate, but if the OP of this thread has no complaint, then who the f**k are YOU to complain?

And why does every dicussion have to be some "deep" blab fest of bloated vocabulary and pretentious opinionating? Start your own blog or "dweebbook" page on anything you like and run things the way YOU prefer. No one else here seems to have any issues with how things are going.
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#2880485 - 09/20/17 03:13 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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B/c y' have little to actually offer than dragging folks down yer memory lame...er, lane.
Something you seem to take an especial delight in doing in response to my posts or even threads where you've been explicitly asked to avoid.
It's beyond tiresome.
If you think I'm the only one here with that opinion of you, you also lack self-awareness.

As far as "bloated vocab", etc.
That's just noise from you that has little to do w/ my actual style.
In fact here's an example of how my discussion style is the exact opposite of what you suggest...

http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2880484/Re_Pentatonic_question#Post2880484

Here's the question: discuss music or just run past it ?

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#2880961 - 09/22/17 11:35 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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Yeah, I checked out that link and noticed further down Fred C suggested if you're going to respond to him, to do so in ENGLISH! grin

And in answer to your final question:

As this is an "open" forum, any discussion of music can and should cover any breadth and scope any member wishes to contribute.

And BTW: Any other member that's dissatisfied with what I post and/or how I do so is free to, if it really bothers them, contact me via PM to state their objections.
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#2880962 - 09/22/17 11:35 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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Yeah, I checked out that link and noticed further down Fred C suggested if you're going to respond to him, to do so in ENGLISH! grin

And in answer to your final question:

As this is an "open" forum, any discussion of music can and should cover any breadth and scope any member wishes to contribute.

And BTW: Any other member that's dissatisfied with what I post and/or how I do so is free to, if it really bothers them, contact me via PM to state their objections.
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#2881519 - 09/25/17 03:25 PM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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blah bor

While some thing "English" is a standard set of words, etc, the fact is that English (well, maybe Japanese) is the most adaptable & quick-shifting tongue on Earth.
The fact is that it's always changed on a constant basis.
Those who fight that are engaged in a losing battle.

Many have communicated to you abt yer pointelessness but you ignore them/us.
As far as yer continuing reflexive defense of yer "right" to post wherever ya want, don't forget where that got ya earlier this year.
cop

Too bad ya never discuss music in terms of anything that actually has to do w/its qualities, only yer memories.
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To get back to the point
Dig what Louis A & Earl H did here at the dawn of jazz!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W232OsTAMo8


Armstrong's already at that time a master of a musical form just establishing itself via recordings but pay attention to what Hines does.
His rhythmic innovations resonate down the history of pop music all the way to & past Bernie Worrell.
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#2881610 - 09/26/17 04:05 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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So far, you're the only one that's directly made any "complaints" to me. And as far as the English thing goes, I was quoting another member. And anyway....

I don't think anyone can deny the pertinence of the bars both "Bags" and "Fatha" set in terms of innovation and delivery. There are still working "big bands" today that still utilize the template created by Hines. To the point it's all long been considered "stale". But that's just the nature of the "business" end of music. That anybody who tries to be "new" and innovate "outside the box" and strays from a long accepted formula quickly finds themselves out of a job.
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#2881649 - 09/26/17 07:25 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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Not a fact. In fact yer a liar, else ya weren't got banned for harrasing me.

Besides that ?
Why don't ya just demonstrate yer value by posting any relevamnt material ?
As opposed to yer continual self-justification ?
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#2881815 - 09/27/17 03:33 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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I'll try just as soon as I find the definition of "RELEVAMNT" in my Webster's.
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#2881878 - 09/27/17 09:32 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: whitefang]
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rolleyes
Look under "typo"
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#2881902 - 09/27/17 11:19 AM Re: Unique rhythmic grooves [Re: d]
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