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Roland VR 09 vs Casio XW-P1
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Ok folks, two nice keyboards. Actually I'm not a keyboardist I'm guitarist but I'm looking for keyboard with drawbars and organ with synth stuff to record top #1 billboard songs in the vein of Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd and other organ and synth stuff. I researched that Roland have poorest midi implementation and that's afwul. Casio has ok midi connection but worse in in built sounds. Actually I cant try out none of them to feel.
Another option is midi keyboard like Akai MPK 261 buuut... here is another question. Do vst like vb3 or animoog or another synth or organ vst better than in built sounds of Roland or Casio or another devices in this price? Also I ipad for this.
This is reeaally important question for me as I'm looking keyboard around 1 year and nothing found so far as I'm hesitating in my choice. So may you help in that?
Thanks a lot.

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Is this only for recording in your home studio? Not for live purposes?


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Primarily for recording and secondarily for gigs.

Re: Roland VR 09 vs Casio XW-P1
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It really depends whether organ or synth sounds matter more to you. The organ on the VR-09 is better but the Casio presents greater opportunities for in-depth programming. I wouldn't worry about the MIDI implementation – for what you want to achieve in your studio, either keyboard will be more than adequate. The Roland also wins for ease of use in the heat of a gig – the controls are very simple, with big buttons. My instinct would be to go for the VR-09, myself.


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The Casio has a wider array of sounds, but the VR-09 sounds better on piano, organ and synth. In the studio this does not matter. You should be using VSTi's. On stage I would go with the VR-09 unless there are specific sounds you need that are on the Casio and not the Roland.


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But can vst's sound better than at least these two keyboards? I can look at Akai with ipad for gigs and vst's on it for recordings. But do this really better option? If Roland had good midi implementation there wouldn't any question to use it either gigs and recordings.

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Originally Posted By: Aidan
I wouldn't worry about the MIDI implementation – for what you want to achieve in your studio, either keyboard will be more than adequate.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought the VR-09 drawbars don't transmit MIDI CC, whereas the XW-P1's faders do? While not insurmountable, it's still a significant difference worth mentioning.

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Originally Posted By: Ashville.Guru
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought the VR-09 drawbars don't transmit MIDI CC, whereas the XW-P1's faders do? While not insurmountable, it's still a significant difference worth mentioning.


Ah, sorry, I wasn't aware of that. However, given that the OP is principally a guitarist, I doubt he'll be playing much with drawbars on the fly a la Alfredson. It's less convenient, for sure, but at the moment, I stand by my original hunch as to which is going to suit him best. smile


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I owned a VR-09. I found the sounds inspiring (Organ, AP, EP, clav, etc), and the user interface made calling up or tweaking a sound on stage quick and easy. The keyboard is very light so set-up and break-down was easy. The price was very attractive.

I ended up selling it because I could not stand the keyboard feel. If you are not a dedicated keyboard player, the keyboard feel may not be an issue for you, but I hated it.


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How bad keybed is? I tried out midi keyboards like Novation Impulse or SL MK2, Akai MPK261 and they were ok me. Thats the only I can compare to. If Roland doesnt feel completely like a toy like Casio low budget keyboards so it may be ok.

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It's not good compared to the SL MK2.


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Originally Posted By: M3llpuak
But can vst's sound better than at least these two keyboards? I can look at Akai with ipad for gigs and vst's on it for recordings. But do this really better option? If Roland had good midi implementation there wouldn't any question to use it either gigs and recordings.

Yes.

At home I use Massive, FM8, Memorymoon, and a free synth called Sonigen Modular. It can be a money pit. There are a lot of synths to choose from.

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I used both, for a modern church music gig. The XW-P1 was first, then replaced by a VR-09. For grabbing a variety of solid sounds live, the VR-09 is hard to beat; the organs, pianos, and electric pianos were especially well ahead of those on the XW-P1. But the Hex and Solo synth engines on the XW-P1 are a lot of fun, and far more in-depth than those of the VR-09. I also gigged the XW-P1 a couple times as a controller for my iPad.

Considering that the keyboard is more for studio use, and you have the iPad, I'd go with the XW-P1/VST combination in the studio, and use the XW-P1/iPad combination live. The XW is a pretty comprehensive 4-zone controller (versus minimal MIDI control on the VR), and there are great iPad apps for organ and synths that are stronger than either keyboard. But for quick, grab-n-go live work only, I'd pick the VR-09 first.


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Originally Posted By: M3llpak
But can vst's sound better than at least these two keyboards?


Yeah. In the end any digital keyboard is just a keyboard with a small computer built in. The sound is just being generated by software either way, the difference is that any standalone computer is massively more powerful and flexible than the one built in to a keyboard.

The benefit of a keyboard is that the keybed, controls, and built-in computer and software are all designed to work together, which tends to make it easier to use and more reliable, and more satisfying under your hands. Particularly nice if you're in a situation where you're nervous and distracted and have 1 second to solve some problem.

But if you just care about making some sounds in your studio, the vsts can do everything you want.

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I think Allan has it right. Self-contained live, I'd lean toward the Roland, for its better piano/organ/rompler sounds and a better "on-the-fly" interface, though the Casio does have live advantages in patch recall and I think more flexible real-time synth manipulation. At home or in a live situation that doesn't need to be self-contained (i.e. you can supplement with VSTs or iPad, where you can meet or exceed most of the Roland's piano/organ/rompler sounds), I'd lean Casio, with its sliders that send MIDI CC and its flexible MIDI zoning (especially convenient for driving iPad sounds live, I think). And if you are incorporating an iPad, the Casio provides a convenient place to put it. I also might prefer the Casio to the Roland as a synth. The combination of the great sounding solo synth and the hexlayers is pretty cool, and there's more built-in editing.

As for the actions, I've played some Casio XWs that I thought felt really nice (better than the Roland), while others were pretty bad, clacky. I don't know the reason for the variation.


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