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#2871582 - 08/08/17 05:53 AM The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano
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#2871585 - 08/08/17 06:32 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: analogholic]
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It's too bad hardware keyboards don't have 30% off sales. frown
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#2871590 - 08/08/17 06:52 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Synthoid]
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It's too bad hardware keyboards don't have 30% off sales. frown

If the parts and labor cost the same as software, they almost certainly would.

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#2871594 - 08/08/17 07:29 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: analogholic]
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I really shouldn't complain though, Dave. Looking back, I received more than 30% discount on my Korg M3. Definitely the best deal ever. smile
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#2871602 - 08/08/17 08:37 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Synthoid]
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This is the best sampled Rhodes I've got.

1999 Scarbee Gigastudio
2006 Scarbee Kontakt
2011 PianoTeq Rhodes
2016 Keyscape LA Custom

Canterbury.
Incredible details.
Even more shocking is I prefer hardware and DSP FX.
Native FX are weak on Active Arrays
Canterbury has the best Native FX I've used.

Tried this on my Midas M32 and RCF/DBA Array.
Also SSv3 w/ B1200D

Impressive.

I find myself lowering levels to compensate for previous Keyscape settings.
Keyscape uses Digital EPianos and Omni synths now.

An impressive Rhodes.

Rotary Emulation is decent with several acc/dec ramp tweaks.
Gets the best JPJones No Quarter Phaser
Also nails Zawinuls Layered Rhodes/Phaser Grand from a Remark you made.
Bill Evans soft touch tones fantastic

Just getting started with this and can't stop making presets.

Impressed again by Sonicouture
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#2871615 - 08/08/17 10:16 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: hardware]
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Still makes it one mighty expensive EP sim even with the discount shocked
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#2871644 - 08/08/17 12:02 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: miden]
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Well we all have our priorities.

I paid over 3000 Dollars for Miraslav Vitous Symphonic Strings for Gigastudio.
Since then anything under 4 digits is appreciated.
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#2872105 - 08/10/17 12:44 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: hardware]
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I already reviewed this in more depth elsewhere, so I'll just summarize by saying that this is now the only Rhodes library I'll still be using, and I regret spending so much money on the others but am glad at least that I didn't invest in the newest Scarbee library or in Keyscape.

Every note feels present and real, and phrasing is organic and reactive to every playing nuance. There is a warmth to the sound that cuts through, and can also sit atop if soloing, but without muddying up the bottom or obscuring other instruments.

I have to keep pinching myself that I didn't accidentally put on a recording of a real Rhodes, as I play and/or render with this library. I have struggled in production with every previous library and switch my Rhodes source almost more than any other. Now I'm done. Game over.

The same thing happened earlier for the Clavinet, when the Soniccouture Clav came out. So I am not surprised they pulled off this coup with the Rhodes.
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#2872112 - 08/10/17 01:14 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Now it would be cool if SC did a less broken Wurly ;-). While I love the Clavinet, I've never really connected with Broken Wurli or EP73 Deconstructed.

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#2872114 - 08/10/17 01:23 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I already reviewed this in more depth elsewhere, so I'll just summarize by saying that this is now the only Rhodes library I'll still be using, and I regret spending so much money on the others but am glad at least that I didn't invest in the newest Scarbee library or in Keyscape.

Every note feels present and real, and phrasing is organic and reactive to every playing nuance. There is a warmth to the sound that cuts through, and can also sit atop if soloing, but without muddying up the bottom or obscuring other instruments.

I have to keep pinching myself that I didn't accidentally put on a recording of a real Rhodes, as I play and/or render with this library. I have struggled in production with every previous library and switch my Rhodes source almost more than any other. Now I'm done. Game over.

The same thing happened earlier for the Clavinet, when the Soniccouture Clav came out. So I am not surprised they pulled off this coup with the Rhodes.


Tantalizing review, thanks
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#2872123 - 08/10/17 01:54 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: 16251]
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Tantalizing review, thanks


Yeah, thanks Mark. Just when I thought Scarbee Classic EP-88S was the last Rhodes VST I would ever buy. facepalm
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#2872125 - 08/10/17 02:01 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I already reviewed this in more depth elsewhere, so I'll just summarize by saying that this is now the only Rhodes library I'll still be using, and I regret spending so much money on the others but am glad at least that I didn't invest in the newest Scarbee library or in Keyscape.

I'm glad to hear you're so happy with The Canterbury Suitcase, Mark. Your review—along with hardware's—raises my interest.

That said, the draw of Keyscape is far more than its Rhodes—although its Rhodes is pretty great. If you're an Omnisphere 2 owner, you may want to check out Spectrasonics' Keyscape Creative library before you decide to skip purchasing Keyscape. It provides a great showcase for the power of the combined apps.

As a Keyscape owner, I'm wondering how much better The Canterbury Suitcase could be. I really enjoy Keyscape's Rhodes. It'll be hard to justify even Canterbury's sale price if the upgrade is merely from an A to an A+.

Best,

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#2872126 - 08/10/17 02:14 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Keyscape Creative is spectacular, but I never find much use for gigging with.
I look at SC Canterbury as an addition to Keyscapes Digital EPs and PTeqs Wurlitzer.
Slightly OT as I still haven't been totally satisfied with my Clavs, I was about to get AcoustisampleS, then SC, but then I heard 8Dio and thought it was brilliant.

It never really ends does it....
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#2872127 - 08/10/17 02:19 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Geoff Grace]
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The demo tracks for Canterbury do indeed sound great. To those of you who purchased this Canterbury library and also happen to have Pianoteq Standard and its electric piano package, please try this experiment: use the MkII Room Close Mic preset, and place two virtual 414 mics, either omni or cardioid, in front of the suitcase speakers, turn off the Chorus, and see if that doesn't come very close to the Canterbury basic sound. I only have the online demos for Canterbury to compare, so I'm interested in how you guys hear it. Thanks!

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#2872130 - 08/10/17 02:23 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: hardware]
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Aah...Thanks for reviews guys....
Was not difficult to hear that it sounds totally badass!!!

But how it plays and reacts is another thing.....

Even though I got Scarbee EP-88 not long ago....I don't think I can resist this one

Thanks again!!!
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#2872134 - 08/10/17 02:54 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: hardware]
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Keyscape Creative is spectacular, but I never find much use for gigging with.
I look at SC Canterbury as an addition to Keyscapes Digital EPs and PTeqs Wurlitzer.
Slightly OT as I still haven't been totally satisfied with my Clavs, I was about to get AcoustisampleS, then SC, but then I heard 8Dio and thought it was brilliant.

It never really ends does it....

True that.

You raise a good point that it's not just about how good a product is but also about how it fills your needs. As a composer, Keyscape Creative fills my needs better than a Rhodes. But as a former Rhodes owner and gigging keyboardist, I really love playing one and try to fit it into my compositions when appropriate.

Thanks for your reply, hardware.

Best,

Geoff
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#2872137 - 08/10/17 03:18 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Hi, Geoff. It's worth noting that Canterbury is a Kontakt instrument and most will agree more CPU and resource efficienct in comparison with Spectrasonic's STEAM engine - which certainly a few buyer's have found requires significant tweaking down to get running well on their laptops (talking about raising buffer, sample thinning, limiting polyphony to as low as 16, turning off pedal fx and pedal realism and the like.

Any comments on how well this Kontakt instrument is running on your setup? Any need to tweak down Canterbury to get playing like an instrument.
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#2872691 - 08/13/17 04:01 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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As of this weekend, this library has kicked ALL of my other Rhodes libraries to the curb forever.

This one lives and breathes likes the real thing. So much more life to it, at ANY setting.

Does anyone know if anything reacts to CC1? I couldn't find that info in the manual or the GUI.
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#2872700 - 08/13/17 05:18 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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I ran my Array and Stage monitors, sat out front like the FOH and set up a Sine and Square Tremolo on Cantebury.
This thing sounds so good I wanted to try and replicate what I hear in my 24 way IEMs.
Incredible sound quality.
I've never had time to match up IEMs with Stage Monitors and mains.
Midas M32 is only a few months old.
One thing I did discover is I like my sound better without Stage monitors.
Cant get wedge addicts to use IEMs, too bad.
They've tried cheapo IEMs instead of Mix reference quality.

Upgrading to Kontakt 5 just to use Canterbury was worth it.
I never try to fix anything that works.
Native Access is really convenient too.
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#2872706 - 08/13/17 06:03 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder

Does anyone know if anything reacts to CC1? I couldn't find that info in the manual or the GUI.


Your question seems to imply that you can not assign any virtual knob/switch to any CC using midi learn?

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#2872743 - 08/13/17 09:37 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Markyboard]
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Oh, I forgot that Kontakt automatically supplies that feature universally! I've gotten so used to thinking that heavily-scripted large-GUI libraries are self-contained in their functionality!

Thanks; I'll try that a bit later tonight. I want CC1 to apply to tremolo.
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#2872764 - 08/13/17 11:30 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Yeah, that worked fine, and it seems to have already been programmed into some of the presets as well, to have CC1 affect Tremolo Intensity (Depth).

This adds yet more realism to the library -- although quick research just now does not indicate that dynamic control of the tremolo settings was done via pedals back in the day (reaching for the knobs would have made playing difficult so probably wasn't done much after setting things up).
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#2872773 - 08/14/17 02:43 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Hi, Geoff. It's worth noting that Canterbury is a Kontakt instrument and most will agree more CPU and resource efficienct in comparison with Spectrasonic's STEAM engine - which certainly a few buyer's have found requires significant tweaking down to get running well on their laptops (talking about raising buffer, sample thinning, limiting polyphony to as low as 16, turning off pedal fx and pedal realism and the like.

That most definitely is worth noting, Elmer. I'm lucky not to have that issue, but this sounds like a great alternative for those who do.

That said, after listening to the Canterbury demo again, I have to agree with hardware that it's more of a complement to Keyscape than a replacement. Both have excellent Rhodes sounds from different models and eras. I'd pick Keyscape for R&B in a heartbeat; but if you do a lot of Rhodes in a wide variety of styles, I think it would be good to have both plugins.

Best,

Geoff
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#2872778 - 08/14/17 04:17 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Geoff Grace]
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FWIW I build rackmount PCs so I can run Omnisphere/Keyscape.
I'm also a sinner as I mix/Layer PianoTeq Upright and Steinway D with Wing Upright and Yamaha C7.
I get the awesome nuances captured by Keyscape and the big beefiness of PianoTeq.
To cut through the rock Gods guitars and drums I re tuned the PianoTeq stuff so I get that upper octave bite.
Mixing phys mod with sampling reminds me of how I loved the first GEM 88 note Piano when sampling was still limited to Jerry Coakleys 128MB Samples.

You gotta love having so many options.
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#2872962 - 08/14/17 05:09 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Agree.....I cant get Keyscape to play at all on my i7 8GB Lenovo laptop without clicks unless it is 512 samples/high latency. Kontakt is fine and UVI /Ravenscroft is great.

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#2874135 - 08/21/17 02:16 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: ngk]
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Just about to hit the "buy button"....

Guys, get you get this one sounding "dirty"?
Don't see any controls for amp distorsion...
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#2874145 - 08/21/17 05:04 AM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: analogholic]
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It's not apparent on first glance but there are 6 effects slots with a choice of 21 different effects (and related parameters) to choose from for each one:

Chorus, Phaser, Flanger, Delay, Saturation, Distortion, Lofi, Skreamer, Twang, Jump (thank God!), Filter, Tape, Cabinet, Rotator, Compressor, Limiter, Equaliser, Stereo, Reverb, Transient, Convolution.

What was the question again? laugh

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#2874260 - 08/21/17 12:49 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard


What was the question again? laugh


What to eat the rest of the month...

Ramen noodles or Ramen noodles smile
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#2874296 - 08/21/17 03:44 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: analogholic]
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The 30% off intro sale ends today at midnight. (It's 11:45 pm in London where Soniccouture is based.)

Best,

Geoff
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#2874303 - 08/21/17 04:03 PM Re: The Canterbury Suitcase Electric Piano [Re: Geoff Grace]
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Has anybody played both this and the newest Scarbee 88?
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