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#2867241 - 07/16/17 10:12 AM Doctor Who is now a woman?
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Is this a first? Is this legal? grin
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#2867245 - 07/16/17 10:27 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: CEB]
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Is this some sort of keyboard player or band or something?

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#2867256 - 07/16/17 11:29 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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It's a long running BBC TV series. It used to be quite good, but it's got more & more PC, and this is the last straw. I'm happy to say that I don't watch TV any more.

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#2867259 - 07/16/17 11:38 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Sospiri]
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Reminds me of Ron Burgandys boss telling the meeting in the male dominated newsroom that diversity was needed and then Ron explaining it was 'an old old wooden ship'
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#2867260 - 07/16/17 11:52 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: b3boy]
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Shouldn't it be "Doctress Who"?

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#2867261 - 07/16/17 11:59 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: CEB]
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#2867273 - 07/16/17 01:17 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Sospiri]
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Originally Posted By: Sospiri
It's a long running BBC TV series. It used to be quite good, but it's got more & more PC, and this is the last straw.


Hmmmm. I haven't watched Dr. Who since the late 1980's. I do remember watching a TV movie with the 8th doctor, but that's all.

I had been a big Tom Baker fan and hung in there for a few years after he left, but the show just wasn't the same for me. frown
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#2867276 - 07/16/17 01:20 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: davedoerfler]
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Not surprising. There's been a, um, social engineering push to the show since introducing Captain Jack, 'way back in the first season of the 21st century reboot, and then in spades with the Torchwood spinoff.

And the past decade or so of the BBC (at least the stuff that finds its way to Netflix) has been cut from the same cloth.
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#2867281 - 07/16/17 01:49 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Sospiri]
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Originally Posted By: Sospiri
It's a long running BBC TV series. It used to be quite good, but it's got more & more PC, and this is the last straw. I'm happy to say that I don't watch TV any more.
So, no keyboard-related anything?

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#2867285 - 07/16/17 02:20 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Well, I've been watching since the 60's and I am definitely NOT misogynistic, but this is soemthing that will stop me watching. it's like trying to say Buffalo Bill is Calamity Jane haha!

Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

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#2867287 - 07/16/17 02:29 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
So, no keyboard-related anything?

Now the thread isn't OT - 1996 Dr. Who theme .MID
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#2867302 - 07/16/17 05:00 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)
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#2867303 - 07/16/17 05:22 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)


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#2867304 - 07/16/17 05:25 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: George88]
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#2867305 - 07/16/17 05:30 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Just change name to Dr. Whoter. rimshot
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#2867307 - 07/16/17 05:51 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: 16251]
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Just when I think folks here can't disappoint me any further, this happens. facepalm
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#2867311 - 07/16/17 06:33 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Just when I think folks here can't disappoint me any further, this happens. facepalm
Right? Before you know it, we'll have tons of threads that are OT that aren't properly labeled. It will be chaos.

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#2867312 - 07/16/17 06:36 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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#2867317 - 07/16/17 07:12 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: retrokeys]
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This has been alluded to several regenerations ago...strongest during the last bit of Tennant episodes.


Edited by brenner13 (07/16/17 07:19 PM)
Edit Reason: Uh...so I've heard...
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#2867318 - 07/16/17 07:30 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: brenner13]
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certainly not a new idea



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#2867322 - 07/16/17 08:36 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)


No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role. No matter how you spin it we are ALL still male and female. Pure and simple biology!!

PC just goes way WAY too far. And folks need to jump on the bandwagon to try and prove something.

It's all just a bit silly grin

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#2867324 - 07/16/17 08:51 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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#2867327 - 07/16/17 09:55 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: miden
Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)


No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role. No matter how you spin it we are ALL still male and female. Pure and simple biology!!

PC just goes way WAY too far. And folks need to jump on the bandwagon to try and prove something.

It's all just a bit silly grin


Poor analogy since a Queen by definition must be female and a King male, a doctor can be male or female...but can The Doctor be female well that's another question.

Personally I haven't watched it much since Matt Smith, I think the script writing has been very poor.

A female doctor coupled with new script writers is just the thing to get me watching again, at least for an episode or two.

At the end of the day it's just a TV show.

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#2867329 - 07/16/17 10:11 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Sospiri
It's a long running BBC TV series. It used to be quite good, but it's got more & more PC, and this is the last straw. I'm happy to say that I don't watch TV any more.
So, no keyboard-related anything?

LOL!! He is a TIME LORD Joe. (.....Clearly not a drummer.....) grin
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#2867330 - 07/16/17 10:14 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
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Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)


No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role. No matter how you spin it we are ALL still male and female. Pure and simple biology!!

PC just goes way WAY too far. And folks need to jump on the bandwagon to try and prove something.

It's all just a bit silly grin


Way too far eh? No, PC is too far, period. It is poison .
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#2867331 - 07/16/17 10:18 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Synthoid]
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Originally Posted By: Sospiri
It's a long running BBC TV series. It used to be quite good, but it's got more & more PC, and this is the last straw.


Hmmmm. I haven't watched Dr. Who since the late 1980's. I do remember watching a TV movie with the 8th doctor, but that's all.

I had been a big Tom Baker fan and hung in there for a few years after he left, but the show just wasn't the same for me. frown


I have been loving it until very recently - (the current Dr Who is not my favourite.) David Tennant was the definitive Dr in my opinion, but there have been some really good storylines with Matt Smith & Christoper Eccleston.

I shall keep an open mind about the new Dr and wait and see what happens....
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#2867339 - 07/17/17 01:32 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
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Not a sexist thing, but the role is a male one imo

Actually, I think that's the definition of sexist. ;-)


No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role.


Ridiculous! There are plenty of men that are Queens. (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

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#2867342 - 07/17/17 02:13 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Good (Time) Lord it's all getting a bit emotional in here.

Time (Lord) of the month everyone?
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#2867343 - 07/17/17 02:29 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: b3boy]
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Oh the plot thickens:
Doctor Who Suspends Filiming

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#2867346 - 07/17/17 02:45 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: b3boy]
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Good (Time) Lord it's all getting a bit emotional in here.

Time (Lord) of the month everyone?


You can prove anything with Google cool ...

The appellation "lord" is primarily applied to men, while for women the appellation "lady" is used.
However, this is no longer universal: the Lord of Mann, a title currently held by the Queen of the United Kingdom, and female Lord Mayors are examples of women who are styled Lord.

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#2867349 - 07/17/17 03:06 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Oh the plot thickens:
Doctor Who Suspends Filiming

Seems like they plagiarized a few quotes from this thread.
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#2867355 - 07/17/17 04:52 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Tom Williams]
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Not surprising. There's been a, um, social engineering push to the show since introducing Captain Jack, 'way back in the first season of the 21st century reboot, and then in spades with the Torchwood spinoff.


Christopher Eccleston left because in many quotes, he stated he couldn't deal with the "atmosphere" on the set. Russel Davies did move that over to Torchwood, and it would have continued on both shows had he not left to tend to his lover, who had brain cancer.

Frankly Peter Capaldi is an excellent actor, but a terrible doctor.

Yup. being that it's the 13th doctor, perhaps it's a good thing- they're going to lose a ton of support, and this makes it a logical place to end.

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#2867357 - 07/17/17 05:22 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: DulceLabs.com]
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Oh the plot thickens:
Doctor Who Suspends Filiming


You do realise that's a spoof news site, right?
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#2867367 - 07/17/17 06:17 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role.

Unlike the Doctor, the Queen is a real person.

(As it happens, historically, "real" people have sometimes been played by people of the opposite gender, but that's really a whole different topic. And in "real life," of course, the "role" of supreme monarch of England may be "played" by either a male or female, only the honorific changes, but that's also a different topic.)

If we used a different title for a female doctor, then I suppose the series could change its name accordingly (Doctress Who?), but we don't, so there's no issue there. (Though even gender distinctions in "titles" have become less ingrained, as we often now call a female actor an actor instead of an actress.)

Ghostbusters can arguably be women, too, though not everyone agreed there either. ;-) Though the character of Starbuck in Battlestar Gallactica was male in one version and female in another, and that change ended up being seen as a success.
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#2867368 - 07/17/17 06:30 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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I'm kind of amused that we're talking about a fictional alien who can regenerate from looking like Christopher Eccleston to looking like Matt Smith, and ten other actors, and yet somehow the character's gender is an unmutable constant.

My sci-fi/Dr. Who fan daughter is thrilled. Representation is a good thing, and something it can be difficult to understand the hunger for if you've already been represented, like, forever.

To bring this mildly back on topic, here's my daughter's favorite Dr. Who musical knock knock joke:

Knock knock.
Who's there?
Dewey
Dewy who?
Doooo-weee-oooooh...


Edited by OrpheusNY (07/17/17 06:43 AM)

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#2867371 - 07/17/17 06:43 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: OrpheusNY]
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Perhaps the good Doctor is simply currently self-identifying as a woman...? Apparently such matters are considered rather fluid these days.


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#2867375 - 07/17/17 07:14 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: dje31]
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If the Doctor is an alien who can transform to a new appearance and personality, then has the Doctor ever really been a male homo sapiens? Or has it merely been that the Doctor appeared to be a male homo sapiens?

I recall noticing a bit of sexual tension between the Doctor and the blond woman in the episodes I've seen, wondering if they were going to become a couple. But then I would remember thinking that the Doctor is not really a regular human male, and wondering if they didn't become a couple because the Doctor needed to go away soon, or if there was something else different about the Doctor.

Further, while I have only watched fewer than 10 episodes, all of recent vintage, I don't recall any particular physical strength feats in the Doctor that were essential to the plot - the Doctor's powers seemed more related to that special pen tool (whatever that is). So yes, in general men are larger and stronger than women, but I don't see the gender of the previous Doctor character as mattering to the plot.

The Doctor is an alien, right?

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#2867378 - 07/17/17 07:22 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: harmonizer]
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We're walking along that knife-edge that separates us from Twitter and Facebook, people. Stuff like "I'm not a sexist, but..." and "I'm just telling it like I see it"

If you want to bring this thread back on topic, look up the original creation of the theme tune. How to use a sample without a sampler? How to make music with an oscillator, but no synthesizer? Etc.

Originally Posted By: harmonizer
The Doctor is an alien, right?
This. And fictional.

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#2867384 - 07/17/17 07:32 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: stoken6]
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Who gives a bloody crap about Dr. Who?

THEY PUT ED SHEERAN ON GAME OF THRONES PEOPLE!!!
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#2867385 - 07/17/17 07:33 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: stoken6]
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First 3 years were good, then downhill fast. When Torchwood came out both shows seemed to focus more on agenda than story. Maybe this is a good change. I'm more interested in new writers than the Dr. becoming female.
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#2867389 - 07/17/17 07:52 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: dje31]
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I'm excited about a new series of Doctor Who for the first time in ages! 12, 11 and 10 have all been far too similar for my liking, and 10 was basically just 5's cooler younger brother. I just hope she gets some good scripts, Capaldi was really let down in that department.

The main problem problem I've had with new Who is the writers keep making the Doctor the focus of all each episode. The Doctor is basically space-Jesus, able to to deus ex machina their way out of every situation until the actor gets bored of the part and wants to regenerate. And like their counterpart earth-Jesus, the things they do are only so interesting; its the emotions and actions they engender in the people around them that is far more fascinating, and fills more epistles/Saturday night screen time. That's what makes episodes like Blink, The Girl in the Fireplace and The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances so good - none of them are really about the Doctor. The Lord of the Rings would be really boring if just focused on Gandalf and Arthurian legend would be just as dull if it was all Merlin.

Also: stop throwing schmaltzy knock-off Vaughan Williams all over everything. I'll feel sad when the characters make me, not when the score tells me too. Bring back the Radiophonic Workshop!

Also also: get off my lawn!
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#2867390 - 07/17/17 07:53 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
We're walking along that knife-edge that separates us from Twitter and Facebook, people. Stuff like "I'm not a sexist, but..." and "I'm just telling it like I see it"

If you want to bring this thread back on topic, look up the original creation of the theme tune. How to use a sample without a sampler? How to make music with an oscillator, but no synthesizer? Etc.

Originally Posted By: harmonizer
The Doctor is an alien, right?
This. And fictional.

Cheers, Mike.


Sorry. Anyway, I saw the Radiophonic Workshop play live last weekend and they were f**king incredible.
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#2867398 - 07/17/17 08:12 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: MorayM]
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I'm all for women in male dominated roles, may it be acting, motorsport etc as long as they are on merit. I get tired of the usually middle aged white male hierarchy governing the world. Dr Who, not that I watch it, should represent more than half the worlds population.

She's far better looking than Tom Baker an all.
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#2867400 - 07/17/17 08:24 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: harmonizer]
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Originally Posted By: harmonizer
If the Doctor is an alien who can transform to a new appearance and personality, then has the Doctor ever really been a male homo sapiens? Or has it merely been that the Doctor appeared to be a male homo sapiens?

Kind of like the Trill character on Star Trek. It "reincarnates" to new host bodies, who can be either male or female.
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#2867404 - 07/17/17 08:53 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role.

Unlike the Doctor, the Queen is a real person.

(As it happens, historically, "real" people have sometimes been played by people of the opposite gender, but that's really a whole different topic. And in "real life," of course, the "role" of supreme monarch of England may be "played" by either a male or female, only the honorific changes, but that's also a different topic.)

If we used a different title for a female doctor, then I suppose the series could change its name accordingly (Doctress Who?), but we don't, so there's no issue there. (Though even gender distinctions in "titles" have become less ingrained, as we often now call a female actor an actor instead of an actress.)

Ghostbusters can arguably be women, too, though not everyone agreed there either. ;-) Though the character of Starbuck in Battlestar Gallactica was male in one version and female in another, and that change ended up being seen as a success.



Yeah fair dues! I do like Jodie Whittaker though smile after seeing her in Broadchurch. So maybe, it will be worth watching grin

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#2867409 - 07/17/17 09:23 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: miden]
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Originally Posted By: miden
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
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No not at all. Its like saying the role of playing the Queen, is a female role, you can't really say it's a male role.

Unlike the Doctor, the Queen is a real person.

(As it happens, historically, "real" people have sometimes been played by people of the opposite gender, but that's really a whole different topic. And in "real life," of course, the "role" of supreme monarch of England may be "played" by either a male or female, only the honorific changes, but that's also a different topic.)

If we used a different title for a female doctor, then I suppose the series could change its name accordingly (Doctress Who?), but we don't, so there's no issue there. (Though even gender distinctions in "titles" have become less ingrained, as we often now call a female actor an actor instead of an actress.)

Ghostbusters can arguably be women, too, though not everyone agreed there either. ;-) Though the character of Starbuck in Battlestar Gallactica was male in one version and female in another, and that change ended up being seen as a success.



Yeah fair dues! I do like Jodie Whittaker though smile after seeing her in Broadchurch. So maybe, it will be worth watching grin


I was kinda (a lot) hoping that Olivia Colman was going to be the new Doctor, but I guess after The Night Manager she's got her sights on James Bond? Daniel Craig can't be doing it much longer.
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#2867425 - 07/17/17 10:25 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: MorayM]
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Funniest comment I've heard out there regarding this:

"Take away the 'W'."
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#2867434 - 07/17/17 11:00 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: CEB]
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Romana 2 would have made a good Doctor. smile


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#2867439 - 07/17/17 11:08 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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I haven't watched Dr. Who since I was a kid, which I believe was probably the first incarnation, so I'm not familiar with the various actors who have played the role since, or where the plot has gone. Is the female version supposed to be a descendent or relative, or just the same character as the original Dr. Who except now inexplicably female?

I have no problem with a female in the role, but I have a problem with doing it for no other artistic reason other than to just try to be more PC. I don't know all the stuff you guys are talking about with him being some sort of shape shifting alien. I don't remember that. To me though, for a male character to all of a sudden be female, it seems there should at least be some sort of plot line explaining it. There's supergirl now. They didn't try to pretend like it's the same person as the classic superman, she's a relative, which makes sense from a plot line standpoint.
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#2867441 - 07/17/17 11:12 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: J. Dan]
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I haven't watched Dr. Who since I was a kid, which I believe was probably the first incarnation, so I'm not familiar with the various actors who have played the role since, or where the plot has gone. Is the female version supposed to be a descendent or relative, or just the same character as the original Dr. Who except now inexplicably female?

I have no problem with a female in the role, but I have a problem with doing it for no other artistic reason other than to just try to be more PC. I don't know all the stuff you guys are talking about with him being some sort of shape shifting alien. I don't remember that. To me though, for a male character to all of a sudden be female, it seems there should at least be some sort of plot line explaining it. There's supergirl now. They didn't try to pretend like it's the same person as the classic superman, she's a relative, which makes sense from a plot line standpoint.


Time Lords can regenerate into any species or gender.


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#2867443 - 07/17/17 11:15 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: J. Dan]
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I don't know all the stuff you guys are talking about with him being some sort of shape shifting alien.


Only when he regenerates. From Wikipedia:


Doctor Who follows the adventures of the primary character, a rogue Time Lord from the planet Gallifrey, who simply goes by the name "The Doctor". He fled from Gallifrey in a stolen TARDIS – "Time and Relative Dimension in Space" – a machine which allows him to travel anywhere in time and space. As a Time Lord, the Doctor has the ability to regenerate when his body is mortally damaged, taking on a new appearance and personality.
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#2867452 - 07/17/17 11:30 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: MorayM]
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I saw the Radiophonic Workshop play live last weekend and they were f**king incredible.


Now that's cool! Was Roger Limb with them? I met him at the BBC when I was a teenager. Very interesting guy.

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#2867453 - 07/17/17 11:31 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Synthoid]
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Ah, didn't know all that. Probably never watched it long enough to see him regenerate into somebody else. So I suppose if it were the case that he regenerated, he could be a she. I don't have a problem with that.
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#2867487 - 07/17/17 01:15 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: J. Dan]
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#2867488 - 07/17/17 01:32 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: StickMan393]
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So did they change the Tardis to pink?

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#2867490 - 07/17/17 01:53 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: J. Dan]
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So the Doctor's companions are going to be nubile young men now?
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#2867501 - 07/17/17 02:47 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: OrpheusNY]
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I'm kind of amused that we're talking about a fictional alien who can regenerate from looking like Christopher Eccleston to looking like Matt Smith, and ten other actors, and yet somehow the character's gender is an unmutable constant.

My sci-fi/Dr. Who fan daughter is thrilled. Representation is a good thing, and something it can be difficult to understand the hunger for if you've already been represented, like, forever.


This I like. laugh

Also, having a daughter has made me much more sensitive to the under-representation girls/women have. I'm for it. Plus I really like Whitaker as an actor. She was outstanding in "The Assets" and "Broadchurch".
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#2867504 - 07/17/17 03:14 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: JCRoswell]
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I think people need to stop thinking that everything gender related is either sexism or feminism. It doesn't have to be either. In this case, we don't know why they changed the doctor's gender. Maybe they are just looking for a way to renew the show? If it's because they want to ride the feminist wave in the media, that's risky because most people are not gender ideologues. In any case, there will always be people that don't like having something about their favorite franchise changed, doesn't mean they are now suddenly womenhaters. They could have been manhating radical feminists all along, they just don't like change.

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#2867508 - 07/17/17 03:38 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: torhu]
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I don't think it's any kind of nod to "political correctness" or anything like that. I think they simply wanted to shake things up on a series that's been around forever, whether for creative reasons, or buzz-creating marketing reasons, or some combination. (It's clearly at least working for the latter.) In the end, it will just come down as always to entertaining stories.
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#2867562 - 07/18/17 01:40 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: MorayM
I saw the Radiophonic Workshop play live last weekend and they were f**king incredible.


Now that's cool! Was Roger Limb with them? I met him at the BBC when I was a teenager. Very interesting guy.

Cheers Mike


He was. He came out from behind his rig to ask the crowd of mostly techno fans if they wouldn't mind settling down so he could introduce the next piece. Dude. They had Mark Ayres, Peter Howell (of 80s Doctor Who fame), Paddy Kingsland (of Hitchhiker fame) and Kieron Pepper (of, erm, The Prodigy fame) on drums. Dick Mills wasn't playing but said a few words before the last song, which was lovely.

I'll do a post about it today or tomorrow, just need to find my photos!
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#2867593 - 07/18/17 06:37 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Dreamchilde]
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Synthoid nailed it...

Doctor Who is a Time LORD;
Romana was a(n extremely HOT) Time LADY.

If they continue in this vein, then Doctor who is no longer a Time Lord, he's a Time Lady.

See how that doesn't work?

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#2867607 - 07/18/17 07:35 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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Romana was a(n extremely HOT) Time LADY.


... and I'm still in love.



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#2867611 - 07/18/17 08:08 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Synthoid nailed it...

Doctor Who is a Time LORD;
Romana was a(n extremely HOT) Time LADY.

If they continue in this vein, then Doctor who is no longer a Time Lord, he's a Time Lady.

See how that doesn't work?


I don't think creativity needs to be so boxed in, that something otherwise valid is ruled out of bounds by what is basically a merely semantic point, or even that a character decision made 50 years ago must never be altered. But if you simply must find a way for this to work without contradiction, as shambler pointed out, "Lord" can be applied to a woman as well. There's no reason that a Time Lady cannot also be called a Time Lord. (And if you must have a real world analogy, a female actor today may correctly be called either an actor or an actress.) Going the other direction, there is no reason to assume that a Time Lord, in a different incarnation, couldn't be a Time Lady. Or if you want an even geekier explanation, since Dr. Who is not really of this world, we cannot assume his native language is English, and so all the phrases used could be rough equivalents that do not always reflect the literal description of his/her/its existence.
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#2867613 - 07/18/17 08:22 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Who's up for a remake? "This Lord is a Woman Now"?

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#2867644 - 07/18/17 12:06 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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This thread is just facepalm all over the place.

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#2867659 - 07/18/17 01:29 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: MAJUSCULE]
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Hopefully this will be helpful to a number of you:


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#2867785 - 07/19/17 06:08 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
"Lord" can be applied to a woman as well. There's no reason that a Time Lady cannot also be called a Time Lord. (And if you must have a real world analogy, a female actor today may correctly be called either an actor or an actress.)


Actually, no. A "Lady" is a female Lord, as in "Lord and Lady," and is capitalized as part of her title. A female actor is still an "actress," the same way a female steward is a "stewardess," a female prince is a "princess," and a female host is a "hostess.". Just because Hollyweird uses it androgynously doesn't mean it's an actual word.

Would you call a Princess Kate "Prince Kate?" Princess Letizia "Prince Letizia?" (Gawd she's hot!) When calling for a stewardess, would you say "Steward!" while looking right at her? Because if so, I would like to see you go into a restaurant, and keep calling the host "hostess," or a waiter "waitress," implying that the man is effeminate, and see how you're treated; because if it works one way, it has to work both ways.

Words mean something specific. If you water them down, then communication becomes vague. Why do we call a sampler a "sampler," or a ROMpler a "ROMpler," then? why not just lump everything from now on into one word "keyboard?" If there's no need for specificity here, then there no need for specificity anywhere.

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#2867786 - 07/19/17 06:13 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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#2867800 - 07/19/17 07:38 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
"Lord" can be applied to a woman as well. There's no reason that a Time Lady cannot also be called a Time Lord. (And if you must have a real world analogy, a female actor today may correctly be called either an actor or an actress.)


Actually, no. A "Lady" is a female Lord, as in "Lord and Lady," and is capitalized as part of her title. A female actor is still an "actress," the same way a female steward is a "stewardess," a female prince is a "princess," and a female host is a "hostess.". Just because Hollyweird uses it androgynously doesn't mean it's an actual word......


I think you are saying that the word "Lord" should not be used as part of the term "Time Lord" to identify the newest Doctor, because the newest Doctor appears as a female (I use "appears" because the Doctor is a non-human alien).

Here is the definition of "lord" from the Websters New World Dictionary of American English hardcover edition, copyright 1988:

1. a person having great power and authority; ruler; master
2. the owner and head of a feudal estate
3. one's husband, now humorous
4. in Great Britain (a) a nobleman holding the rank of baron, viscount, earl or marquess; member of the house of lords (b) a man who by courtesy of because of his office is given the title of Lord, as a bishop, a younger son of a duke or marquess, or a Lord Mayor
(there is additional text for 5 and 6, not really relevant here)

The Doctor seems closest to definition 1. While definition 4 for Great Britain appears to indicate males, it includes members of the House of Lords, for which over 20% of its members are female. Britain has not chosen to rename this the "House of Lords and Ladies". But for me the power of the Doctor character makes definition 1 the most applicable anyway.

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#2867805 - 07/19/17 07:47 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: harmonizer]
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https://twitter.com/markhumphries/status/886890062486446080

(can't embed it on the forum - it's a Doctor Who helpline for those unable to cope with a female Doctor on TV)
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#2867806 - 07/19/17 07:50 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Morizzle]
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Originally Posted By: Morizzle
https://twitter.com/markhumphries/status/886890062486446080

(can't embed it on the forum - it's a Doctor Who helpline for those unable to cope with a female Doctor on TV)


Proving that you have me on ignore, because I posted this last night, 4 messages above yours. roll
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#2867818 - 07/19/17 08:11 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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Actually, no. A "Lady" is a female Lord, as in "Lord and Lady," and is capitalized as part of her title.

As I mentioned, Shambler posted about that earlier. "this is no longer universal: the Lord of Mann, a title currently held by the Queen of the United Kingdom, and female Lord Mayors are examples of women who are styled Lord." So it is conceivable for a Lady to legitimately be called a Lord.

But who's to say that Dr. Who's species can't regenerate into different genders anyway? The whole concept is science fiction, after all.

Originally Posted By: joegerardi
Just because Hollyweird uses it androgynously doesn't mean it's an actual word.

"Actual words" are whatever we decide they are. We invented them, and their usages change all the time.

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I would like to see you go into a restaurant, and keep calling the host "hostess," or a waiter "waitress," implying that the man is effeminate, and see how you're treated; because if it works one way, it has to work both ways.

"if it works one way, it has to work both ways" is not a given. Culturally, at the moment, it generally doesn't work both ways, because calling a man something that is "unmanly" ("implying that the man is effeminate") is often seen as an insult, whereas calling a woman something that is "unwomanly," not so much. (Depends on the context.) But that's just part of the sexism that is ingrained in the culture. Maybe that will change over time, maybe not.

Originally Posted By: joegerardi
If there's no need for specificity here, then there no need for specificity anywhere.

Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. But there is obviously no "need" to have different names for male and female versions of things. We don't have different names for female versus male teachers, doctors, plumbers, accountants, or just about anything else. So I'll turn your proposition around and say, if there's no need for specificity there, there's no need for specificity anywhere. ;-)

Whether the proper title for a Time Lord must always be gender-specific, and whether that gender must be immutable through various regenerations, would seem to be questions for the creative people behind Dr. Who, and they appear to be giving us the answers. Since it's their football, I would consider their answers to be definitive.

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#2867850 - 07/19/17 09:45 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2867921 - 07/19/17 04:04 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
Originally Posted By: Morizzle
https://twitter.com/markhumphries/status/886890062486446080

(can't embed it on the forum - it's a Doctor Who helpline for those unable to cope with a female Doctor on TV)


Proving that you have me on ignore, because I posted this last night, 4 messages above yours. roll


Ummm.......if he has you on ignore, then don't you think that sending this message to him is perhaps a tad...........optimistic? grin

(But I did enjoy the helpline video BTW. )....
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#2867955 - 07/19/17 11:05 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: xKnuckles]
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I was channel surfing radio stations in the car yesterday when I ran into an NPR discussion of the new Doctor Who. Robert Siegal, the old radio guy that seems like a stuffed shirt to me, was interviewing a woman that was obviously a serious Dr. Who fan. The type that could recite entire scripts.

At the end of the interview, Siegal, who had added nothing other than a few questions, tried to become relevant. He tells a story about having met the original Dr. Who many years ago. Then he says something like, "I bet most of our listeners don't know this, but in the first season, Dr. Who time-traveled in a British telephone booth ..."

There was a bit of silence and you could almost hear the woman rolling her eyes. She started off with "First of all, it wasn't a telephone booth."

First laugh I've had with NPR in a long time.
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#2867982 - 07/20/17 05:39 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
As I mentioned, Shambler posted about that earlier. "this is no longer universal: the Lord of Mann, a title currently held by the Queen of the United Kingdom, and female Lord Mayors are examples of women who are styled Lord." So it is conceivable for a Lady to legitimately be called a Lord.


From a country who demands that homosexuality, bisexuality, and revisionist history be included in ALL BBC shows? Your using THEM as an example?

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So one can decide that "faggot," or "trannie," can simply mean whatever they want, and you would have now problem allowing their use?


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whereas calling a woman something that is "unwomanly," not so much. (Depends on the context.) But that's just part of the sexism that is ingrained in the culture. Maybe that will change over time, maybe not.


Okay, perhaps you're right there. Then try this: Call a woman "sir," the entire time you're talking to her and see if she doesn't get upset. Even after she tells you she's a woman keep calling her "sir."

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Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. But there is obviously no "need" to have different names for male and female versions of things. We don't have different names for female versus male teachers, doctors, plumbers, accountants, or just about anything else. So I'll turn your proposition around and say, if there's no need for specificity there, there's no need for specificity anywhere. ;-)


Because you're mixing professions up with titles When referring to someone you just met, do you call the men "Miss" or "Misses," or the women "Mister?" Even removing men from that because of your stated reasons, then calling a woman "Mister" shouldn't bother you at all? Again, if there's no need for specificity, then even if they told you it bothered them, you would have to continue calling them "Mister."

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Whether the proper title for a Time Lord must always be gender-specific, and whether that gender must be immutable through various regenerations, would seem to be questions for the creative people behind Dr. Who, and they appear to be giving us the answers. Since it's their football, I would consider their answers to be definitive.


They ("they" being the people who created the show) were the ones that originally had Time Lords and Time Ladies. Obviously they created the different titles for a reason. Yes, it's their football, but all of a sudden they said that now it's a rugby ball, just to make sure we're Politically Correct, and if you want to out it in the canon of the show, because Gallifrey is now time-locked, the term hasn't been, and can't be changed.

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#2867986 - 07/20/17 05:51 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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#2867993 - 07/20/17 06:48 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: MorayM]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, and I may be...and if I am, I'll eat a bug...but I believe in the military, it is ( or was ) normal and proper to reply to a superior-ranked female with "Sir," because you were showing respect and deference to the rank held, not the gender of the one holding it.

Though these days, who the hell knows any more?


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#2868000 - 07/20/17 07:15 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: dje31]
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No I retired from the Air Force, officers we referred to as 'Sir' or "Ma'am" used with a salute usually. I in 20 years never heard anyone refer to a female officer as 'Sir'. Though this would most likely not offend the officer depending on the circumstances, respect for the rank is what is required.


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#2868010 - 07/20/17 07:38 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Toano88]
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I think the issue here is that while people generally like women, they are skeptical about change, and generally dislike feminist politics. Some background information and thoughts about this in the below post, under the heading "Mrs. Dr. Who". This guy deals with gender politics full-time. Hopefully he is being too pessimistic about the direction that the show is now taking...

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#2868013 - 07/20/17 07:48 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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This IS getting silly. It's entertainment televivion. Not meant to be either politically or grammatically correct by anybody's standards.

If one wants to opine that Dr Who should be played by a male actor, fair enough, valid opinion. But said opinion should not be defended by using real world societal norms, values, or grammar. It's television, meant for our entertainment, and gender roles should not matter to you, me, or the grand piano.

There... back on topic. smile


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#2868017 - 07/20/17 08:03 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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As I mentioned, Shambler posted about that earlier. "this is no longer universal: the Lord of Mann, a title currently held by the Queen of the United Kingdom, and female Lord Mayors are examples of women who are styled Lord." So it is conceivable for a Lady to legitimately be called a Lord.

From a country who demands that homosexuality, bisexuality, and revisionist history be included in ALL BBC shows? Your using THEM as an example?

These are English words, being used in a British program. I'm not sure who could be better reference for acceptable use of the words than the English.

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"Actual words" are whatever we decide they are. We invented them, and their usages change all the time.

So one can decide that "faggot," or "trannie," can simply mean whatever they want, and you would have now problem allowing their use?

We don't all, individually, at whim, have unlimited ability to change the meaning of any word to that of any other word, at least if we want to be understood by others, that would be chaos. But words are human inventions, and over time, humans do change what words mean and how they are used. Anyway, for what it's worth, a faggot can be a bundle of sticks, and your car might need a new trannie.

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Then try this: Call a woman "sir," the entire time you're talking to her and see if she doesn't get upset. Even after she tells you she's a woman keep calling her "sir."

In Star Trek, women officers are called Sir, so who knows what the future may hold. ;-) I am fine addressing someone however they prefer to be addressed.

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But there is obviously no "need" to have different names for male and female versions of things. We don't have different names for female versus male teachers, doctors, plumbers, accountants, or just about anything else. So I'll turn your proposition around and say, if there's no need for specificity there, there's no need for specificity anywhere. ;-)

Because you're mixing professions up with titles

Some are both. What gender is Doctor Jones, Professor Johnson, or Reverend Smith? Again, there is no necessity that titles have gender.

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calling a woman "Mister" shouldn't bother you at all? Again, if there's no need for specificity, then even if they told you it bothered them, you would have to continue calling them "Mister."

I see no reason to call a woman "Mister" but it is not inherently bothersome either. Again, it doesn't bother me on Star Trek. ;-)

If it bothers someone to be called Mister, then by all means, call them what they would prefer to be called. In fact, this is a real issue today, as some people want to be referenced with a gender term that is not necessarily the gender on their birth certificate.

Also, saying there is no NEED for specificity in a given instance doesn't mean one must avoid it at all costs, either. If a female actor wants to call herself an actress, that's fine with me. If she'd rather be referred to as an actor, that's fine with me too. If I ever meet a Time Lady and she says she prefers to be called Time Lord, I will accommodate.

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They ("they" being the people who created the show) were the ones that originally had Time Lords and Time Ladies. Obviously they created the different titles for a reason.

If nothing else, it was a British convention at the time. If you invented a Time Lord in 1960s Britain, what would you have probably called a female version? I'm not sure that counts as doing it "for a reason." If they had made a conscious effort to avoid doing that in 1963, I think you'd have a stronger case for the choice being made "for a reason."

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Yes, it's their football, but all of a sudden they said that now it's a rugby ball, just to make sure we're Politically Correct, and if you want to out it in the canon of the show, because Gallifrey is now time-locked, the term hasn't been, and can't be changed.

I assume that, when they made the first episodes, they probably didn't even expect to have regeneration, that was likely an idea that came up later when they needed to find a new actor, and preferred that idea to simply having "new Darren" as on Bewitched or similar re-castings on plenty of other shows. And boom, it became part of canon. But having come up with the idea of regeneration in the first place, has there been anything in the canon that implies that a regenerated time lord--who can look and behave quite differently from any predecessor--must always be the identical gender? If not, it seems to me there is no contradiction to existing canon.

I wonder, when the very first regeneration happened, if fans of the show were saying,"Hey, you can't do that!" simply because it hadn't been done before, which I think is very much the reaction we're seeing now.

As for it being politically correct, as I mentioned, it could also be because it's an interesting creative choice for writers looking to do things that haven't been done in 30+ years of episodes, and something that would generate buzz. Thoughts about their motivations are conjecture, but in the end, I think all that will matter is whether they produce good, entertaining shows.
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#2868026 - 07/20/17 08:50 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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My wife always picks "Lady" instead of any of the other less interesting options in those drop down lists of titles you get when signing up for things online.

It's handy for getting window seats at restaurants too.
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#2868037 - 07/20/17 09:46 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: joegerardi]
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When calling for a stewardess, would you say "Steward!" while looking right at her?


I wouldn't recommend either in this day and age if you know what's good for you. It's "flight attendant" these days.
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#2868054 - 07/20/17 11:40 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: xKnuckles]
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https://twitter.com/markhumphries/status/886890062486446080

(can't embed it on the forum - it's a Doctor Who helpline for those unable to cope with a female Doctor on TV)


Proving that you have me on ignore, because I posted this last night, 4 messages above yours. roll


Ummm.......if he has you on ignore, then don't you think that sending this message to him is perhaps a tad...........optimistic? grin

Ah, but now that you've quoted Sven in another message, Morizzle will get to see it after all. See, Sven's scheme worked. ;-)

Not that there's anything wrong with hiding someone, but really, it is not so hard to post something without necessarily having seen each of the messages posted prior, it's not necessarily because anyone's been hidden. This happens to remind me of a time a while back where Sven posted the exact same solution to someone's problem that I had posted earlier in the thread. I didn't assume Sven had me on ignore. But who knows? At any rate, it didn't seem worth mentioning. Until now. ;-)
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#2868087 - 07/20/17 05:09 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's been years since I watched an episode of Doctor Who (Sylvester McCoy in the late 80s?), so I don't really have a dog in this fight. However, I do not see a problem in casting a female actor in the lead role, especially if the character is actually an alien with the ability to regenerate into different forms.

Perhaps in the future, the Doctor will regenerate into anotherscott, whose well-reasoned, consistently excellent posts across various internet forums reaffirm my belief that he is operating on a higher level to the rest of us human folk. wink

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#2868096 - 07/20/17 06:17 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Kawai James]
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Good grief! Three pages of misogyny and convoluted arguments about a fictional alien character of indeterminate (if any) gender who, for the purposes of the story, adopts what we perceive to be a human form. And you haven't seen a single episode yet.
As someone who cowered behind the sofa when William Hartnell first confronted the Daleks I'm perfectly happy to see a female in the role. Can a woman not carry the authority? Why not wait and see? This really is getting silly.
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#2868097 - 07/20/17 06:17 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: Kawai James]
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For the foreseeable future, all previously-male characters must either have a direct female counterpart or be turned into a woman/teen-aged girl for a while, preferably one of color. Added points for not being a standard-issue heterosexual. At the moment, there is a bit of cultural rebalancing going on in creative arenas and overall, the results earn their keep. (Crystal Griner is one of my heroes fer shur.)
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Sometimes the results are too eye-rollingly obvious, but OTOH, Tilda Swinton made a classy Ancient One in "Doctor Strange." If the story works, it works. As Bowie said to Wakeman, 'If the song works on a battered upright, it'll work anywhere.' In the case of Dr. Who, the change makes perfect sense. The show wouldn't be nearly as popular if it DIDN'T pull out the rug at regular intervals. Its an honored tradition, after all. Keep calm, turn off the video and get yer happy @$$ back to the woodshed. grin keys
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#2868211 - 07/21/17 07:09 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: SeaGtGruff]
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Also, the role of Lassie in the upcoming remake will be played by Grumpy Cat, the role of Bugs Bunny in the new Loony Tunes revival series will be played by Daffy Duck, and the role of Willy in the Free Willy remake will be played by Jenny the Giraffe.
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#2868362 - 07/21/17 03:04 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: SeaGtGruff]
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Also, the role of Lassie in the upcoming remake will be played by Grumpy Cat.


Funny you should bring up Lassie, a female character played almost exclusively on screen by male "actors."

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#2868371 - 07/21/17 03:43 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Proving that you have me on ignore, because I posted this last night, 4 messages above yours. roll


Ummm.......if he has you on ignore, then don't you think that sending this message to him is perhaps a tad...........optimistic? grin

Ah, but now that you've quoted Sven in another message, Morizzle will get to see it after all. See, Sven's scheme worked. ;-)

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#2868388 - 07/21/17 05:29 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: SeaGtGruff]
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Perhaps in the future, the Doctor will regenerate into anotherscott, whose well-reasoned, consistently excellent posts across various internet forums reaffirm my belief that he is operating on a higher level to the rest of us human folk. wink

LOL and thank you!

Originally Posted By: SeaGtGruff
http://doctorwhowatch.com/2015/06/15/doctor-who-creator-sydney-newman-wanted-a-female-doctor/

Great link. I would say that should settle it, but I expect that it won't. ;-)
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#2868389 - 07/21/17 05:52 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: OrpheusNY]
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Also, the role of Lassie in the upcoming remake will be played by Grumpy Cat.


Funny you should bring up Lassie, a female character played almost exclusively on screen by male "actors."


But he was a dog and a collie, so at least he was the right species and breed. wink

Besides, males playing female characters has been a time-honored tradition since ancient Greece.

Anyway, it doesn't bother me that Doctor Who is going to regenerate into a woman. Just as long as he/she never regenerates into a Dalek!
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#2868391 - 07/21/17 06:12 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Great link. I would say that should settle it, but I expect that it won't. ;-)

I suggest you actually read some of the news coverage, or some of my posts in this thread. I think you have the wrong idea about the situation.

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#2868396 - 07/21/17 06:43 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: torhu]
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Great link. I would say that should settle it, but I expect that it won't. ;-)

I suggest you actually read some of the news coverage, or some of my posts in this thread. I think you have the wrong idea about the situation.

What you posted seems to be a different issue than anything I've spoken about or anything in SeaGtGruff's linked article... i.e. a fear of what "feminist idealogue" writers (per the article you linked to) might do to the show. I'd say, wait and see. Fear of a female Dr Who being handled badly is not, itself, a justification for not having one. Like I said, "in the end, I think all that will matter is whether they produce good, entertaining shows."
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#2868411 - 07/21/17 07:41 PM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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Like I said, "in the end, I think all that will matter is whether they produce good, entertaining shows."


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#2868443 - Yesterday at 05:32 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: AnotherScott]
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What you posted seems to be a different issue than anything I've spoken about or anything in SeaGtGruff's linked article... i.e. a fear of what "feminist idealogue" writers (per the article you linked to) might do to the show. I'd say, wait and see. Fear of a female Dr Who being handled badly is not, itself, a justification for not having one. Like I said, "in the end, I think all that will matter is whether they produce good, entertaining shows."


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#2868456 - Yesterday at 06:09 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: torhu]
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#2868467 - Yesterday at 06:33 AM Re: Doctor Who is now a woman? [Re: torhu]
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You seem to turn everything into something else. I officially give up razz

You asked me to go back and read your earlier posts, saying that you thought I misunderstood the situation. I read your posts and the article you linked to, looking for what this missed perspective might be. Your post 2868010 linked to the article about the fear of what "feminist writing" could do to the show, so I thought that's what you were talking about, and responded to that. I guess that wasn't what you were talking about, sorry. Instead of pointing me elsewhere, if you could actually either restate (or copy-and-paste from an earlier email) exactly what it is you think I'm missing, I'll reply specifically to that, if you'd like.
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