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#2872364 - 08/11/17 11:11 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: burningbusch]
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Busch,

Yes I checked them all. No sympathetic string resonance. Plenty of damper resonance though, so it isn't really noticeable, like for example on the CP4.
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#2872527 - 08/12/17 08:53 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Edited by ElmerJFudd (08/12/17 08:55 AM)
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#2872543 - 08/12/17 11:04 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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EP's don't sound authentic to me, more like "Lounge Lizard" than "Rhodes".


Edited by gg22 (08/12/17 11:05 AM)

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#2872560 - 08/12/17 02:23 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: gg22]
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My new video of all EPs. https://youtu.be/ZPbUVvMlsI8
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#2872561 - 08/12/17 02:24 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: gg22]
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For what it is worth, comparing them side by side with those in Keyscape, it is REALLY close.
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#2872564 - 08/12/17 02:35 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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What a fine specimen of a keyboard an outstanding representation of modern technology smile

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#2872573 - 08/12/17 05:56 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
My new video of all EPs. https://youtu.be/ZPbUVvMlsI8


Thanx for sharing. Unfortunately the Korg presets are so dressed up in fx I can't get a sense of what the base samples sound like. Anyone else feel that way?
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#2872581 - 08/12/17 09:04 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Best Grandstage demo so far. Thanks Macsaint777.

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#2872587 - 08/13/17 12:06 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
My new video of all EPs. https://youtu.be/ZPbUVvMlsI8


Thanx for sharing. Unfortunately the Korg presets are so dressed up in fx I can't get a sense of what the base samples sound like. Anyone else feel that way?


Elmer, I'll do one with no reverb, and no effects showing just the EP sounds, so you can get a good idea of what the basic samples (I think it is modeled actually) sound like.
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#2872651 - 08/13/17 11:56 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
My new video of all EPs. https://youtu.be/ZPbUVvMlsI8


Thanx for sharing. Unfortunately the Korg presets are so dressed up in fx I can't get a sense of what the base samples sound like. Anyone else feel that way?


Elmer, I'll do one with no reverb, and no effects showing just the EP sounds, so you can get a good idea of what the basic samples (I think it is modeled actually) sound like.



I'm interested in this, too. I was pleasantly surprised with the lack of that familiar Korg cheese in the AP samples - they sound pretty dynamic! I've thought since the SV-1 that Korg had the best EPs in hardware, so they'd be a no-brainer, but yeah, each time I hear a Rhodes saturated with stereotypical tremolo/phaser/flanger/wah whatever, my ears glaze over and I fast forward. Just tones, please!! And... can you find time to give us another for basses?

Really do appreciate your work on this, Macsaint777.



Edited by drawback (08/13/17 12:08 PM)
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#2872655 - 08/13/17 12:14 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: clawback]
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Originally Posted By: drawback
I've thought since the SV-1 that Korg had the best EPs in hardware, so they'd be a no-brainer

though as discussed in another thread a while back, the SV1 was from Korg Italy and the Grandstage (like Kronos) is from Korg Japan, and there are numerous differences in the technologies they are using. The SV1 had the tube, too.
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#2872656 - 08/13/17 12:18 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: AnotherScott]
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Ah - haven't been following. Admittedly Korg hasn't been on my radar!

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#2872665 - 08/13/17 01:19 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
My new video of all EPs. https://youtu.be/ZPbUVvMlsI8


Thanx for sharing. Unfortunately the Korg presets are so dressed up in fx I can't get a sense of what the base samples sound like. Anyone else feel that way?


Elmer, I'll do one with no reverb, and no effects showing just the EP sounds, so you can get a good idea of what the basic samples (I think it is modeled actually) sound like.



That would be awesome.
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#2872775 - 08/14/17 03:04 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Elmer, as promised. SoundCloud is faster, and no video is needed. So here are all the Korg Grandstage EPs with no added effects, no Eq, and no reverb.

https://soundcloud.com/macsaint777/sets/korg-grandstage-eps-with-no-effects

Drawback, I am working on another video of all the other sounds, but won't have time to complete it until late this week. I'm going away for a few days, but should be done by this weekend.
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#2872809 - 08/14/17 07:07 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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So if I'm following the Korg logic (and I'm probably not), the SV1, Kronos & Grandstage all have different keybed actions?
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#2872817 - 08/14/17 07:23 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Originally Posted By: Macsaint777
Elmer, as promised. SoundCloud is faster, and no video is needed. So here are all the Korg Grandstage EPs with no added effects, no Eq, and no reverb.

https://soundcloud.com/macsaint777/sets/korg-grandstage-eps-with-no-effects

Drawback, I am working on another video of all the other sounds, but won't have time to complete it until late this week. I'm going away for a few days, but should be done by this weekend.


Really helpful. OK - definitely a modeled sound. Not bad or good, just a quality. These timbres would work in a lot of settings, particularly with band. But not as detailed as what we're getting from large sample libraries in Kontakt or Omnisphere - stuff noticeable to us as players and lovers of these historic electromechanical instruments.

I think I prefer Pianoteq's tines and reeds over Korg's EP-1, at least in this situation where you don't get the edit-ability like you do on the Kronos.

The acoustic pianos I am pleasantly surprised by though, especially compared with what they put on the SV-1. wink
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#2873986 - 08/20/17 02:22 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Just updated this playlist with Clav, Organ, and Strings category videos. More to come! All sounds have been recorded, just have a bit more camera work to do. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjCOMFI84DNY6e1_wE5UaXbCbYUq4IFP5
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#2873993 - 08/20/17 04:56 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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These videos are great Ben. Very detailed and they give an excellent indication of the sound source. Really appreciate you taking the time to do them. &#128077;
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#2874005 - 08/20/17 08:48 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Dockeys]
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I've gone over some parts of the hours of video, and think for sure it wouldn't be a keyboard of my interest. Probably more than a few sounds are musically usable, I'd feel a little Yamaha-d instead of only be-Korg-ed, which sounds cooler, but in reality the challenge of playing this board is not to my liking, it's like imposing a character that I suppose is O.K., but it doesn't appeal to me at all.

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#2874010 - 08/20/17 09:22 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Theo Verelst]
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Seems to be a watered down version of the Korg Kronos, and that's not a bad thing at all. Will definitely give boards in its price range a run for their money like the CP4 or the Roland RD 800 which has been discontinued
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#2874555 - 08/22/17 09:02 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: rickzjamm]
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I don't mean to hog the forum with all my posts, but if anyone wants a long and extensive review of the new Korg Grandstage, I have just done one, and now finished with all the sound category videos.


Korg Grandstage Review (extended).

https://youtu.be/4h7z9tVUEQ4


And here is a shorter version. https://youtu.be/hlwHNGdYSv4

I've also completed the full playlist with all sound category examples and it contains the two reviews.

Here is the playlist.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjCOMFI84DNY6e1_wE5UaXbCbYUq4IFP5

Hope this is helpful!

Ben


Edited by Macsaint777 (08/23/17 04:02 AM)
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#2874748 - 08/23/17 12:41 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Ben,
I for one am very grateful for your hard work. Much appreciated! From the looks, you might be the only owner of one on this forum. I'm waiting for one to trickle into a store in my area and may be waiting a while. The local Korg dealer in my area is not going to order one until he moves some of his Kronos stock. If you don't mind, how would you compare the action to the NP-3? thanks

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#2874894 - 08/24/17 08:22 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: scales]
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Scales,

Thanks! Glad you find the videos helpful! As for the action in the NP3, I like it a lot. It feels more substantial than the RH3, but is not graded. It is shallower than the RH3, but still deep enough to play with plenty of expression and feeling. I was loathe to give my NP3 up, but after three in a row, I just wasn't willing to try number four. Overall, I prefer the CP4 action to the RH3, and the NP3 action would be next. I would say the Grandstage would be nearly perfect if I could have the CP4 action in it! Even the NP3 action would be great too, but though the RH3 is the biggest weak point of the Grandstage, it is still fine for me. If Yamaha ever follows up the CP4, you can be sure I'll jump on that one!
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#2874970 - 08/24/17 01:10 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Ben,
I used to have a CP-4. Very smooth action but caused me fatigue. I'm not blaming the keybed but have had surgery on both wrists and have lost strength. I was hoping the RH3 was a lighter action than the CP4. I've never played the fatar TP-40H which is in the NP-3. I assume the action is on the heavier side since it's designated "H". Would you consider the RH3 to be about the same or maybe a bit lighter than the NP-3.? I'm close to taking a chance and placing an order. Could be wrong but I think the predecessor to the CP4 could be in the distant future being that the CP4 is such a good seller.

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#2875034 - 08/24/17 06:16 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: scales]
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Scales,

So sorry to hear about the issues with your surgery! I personally prefer a heavy action, which the TP40-H is supposed to be, but I didn't feel it was very heavy. Lucky for you, the RH3 in the Grandstage is actually lighter than the CP4 or NP3. If I could change one thing about it, I'd make it heavier, so in your case, it should work quite well! Sweetwater.com has plenty in stock, and though I wouldn't want to tell anyone where to purchase their equipment, Sweetwater has provided the most incredible support for me along this journey, I just cannot recommend them highly enough!

Hope that helps!

Ben


Edited by Macsaint777 (08/24/17 06:17 PM)
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#2875040 - 08/24/17 07:18 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: Macsaint777]
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Excellent! That's what I was hoping. And yes, Sweetwater is a company I've used on and off for years. Excellent customer service and great financing. Thanks so much for answering my inquiries. I feel much better and confident

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#2875042 - 08/24/17 07:27 PM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: scales]
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Amazing overview and feedback on the Grandstage, Ben.
I guess we can say as expected it's not the final word in stage pianos.
Quite limited in editability of the sounds, although it has many good ones.
And the RH3 isn't the worst or the best action for pianists that need a digital/portable stage piano.
That said, nothing replaces sitting down to play itself to see if the Grandstage checks off one's personal boxes and resonates as an instrument on a personal level.
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#2875346 - 08/26/17 09:25 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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First, I want to add my thanks to Ben for taking the time to give us an excellent hands-on review of the GrandStage. thu

Now, to the business. Yesterday, I had a chance to lay hands on the GrandStage.

To me, the GrandStage feels and sounds like a digital piano version of a Kronos. That isn't a knock at all.

The Kronos is an excellent synth/workstation. The GrandStage is a nice digital piano. I would prefer the GrandStage over the RD-2000.

However, IMO, neither the Kronos nor the GrandStage has the FTEC (Finger to ear connection) that I have found with the Korg SV-1.

If I had to choose between buying the GrandStage and SV-1 today, I'd still prefer the latter.

The SV-1 feels more like an instrument to me. It it is safe. No GAS or Tums required. grin cool
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#2875358 - 08/26/17 10:15 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ProfD]
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Still waiting for one to pop up in a shop near me. I wonder if your impression of finger/ear connection is related to the SV-1 being a ROMpler and the Grandstage being a Linux PC and if there is in fact a 10ms (give or take) delay depending on which of the engines is being used? If that were the case, then the Kronos might exhibit the same (unless they have more robust hardware in the Kronos (since it is capable of so much more).
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#2875370 - 08/26/17 11:56 AM Re: Korg Grandstage (Released) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Finger-to-ear is a mystery, I doubt there's a universal answer, but latency could at least be part of it. It would be interesting to MIDI an SV1 to a Grandstage (or a Kronos, for that matter), and simultaneously record the audio from the SV1 along with the MIDI-triggered audio from the other, and see if there was a noticeable difference in time between the two. (And if you wanted to eliminate even the difference between the MIDI and the direct triggering, you could set the SV1 for Local Off, and go MIDI Out to a Thru box, and send the identical MIDI to the SV1 and the GS/Kronos simultaneously; or even just send a MIDI sequence to both simultaneously.)
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