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#2862836 - 06/26/17 07:01 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: whitefang]
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Y'know that last section looks like another distraction egregiously injected into a thread but there's a certain aspect that definitely relates to being too loud.
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BTW & FWIW
Originally Posted By: JuJu Kwan
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I'm moving, so I will be missing for a while.
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#2863052 - 06/27/17 04:12 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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At home I practice my electric unplugged, though I have a headphone amp I could use if I wanted to. Playing at stage volume would lead to endless problems with the neighbors, which I don't need, thank you very much.
Of course, I can practice my acoustic and mandolin without problems, and the flute, well, they asked me not to practice before 10 am, which seems reasonable enough. The problem is I can't practice flute at 2 in the morning without waking my wife up, a problem I DEFINITELY DON'T NEED, LOL.
I have a beautiful old Fender Princeton bass without an amp for it. If I practiced that, it would be with the headphones.

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#2863081 - 06/27/17 07:13 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric
I have a beautiful old Fender Princeton bass without an amp for it. If I practiced that, it would be with the headphones.

I thought Princeton was an amp...can't find a ref to a Princeton bass anywhere........ idk
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#2863240 - 06/27/17 08:50 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
BTW & FWIW
Originally Posted By: JuJu Kwan
Thank you, ....
I'm moving, so I will be missing for a while.


Thanks, half'.
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#2863279 - 06/28/17 04:37 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Re: d's comment: you are right, Princeton is the guitar amp, and Precision is the bass guitar. Anyway, it's a beautiful instrument.

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#2863322 - 06/28/17 07:44 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Princetons are great little practice amps with great sound...I like the Jazz Bass a little better than the Precision, but I sold mine and now I kind of wish I had kept it! cry
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#2863338 - 06/28/17 08:35 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Larryz]
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I think some of Clapton's Layla stuff was done w/ a Princeton.
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#2863436 - 06/28/17 01:30 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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Clapton and BB were sporting Twin Reverbs on the classic photos on the Riding with the King album...they are some of our great clean players of all time...My brother has a Princeton, but I can't get him to sell or trade it to me! cry


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#2863439 - 06/28/17 01:36 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Larryz]
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If ya can't get him to let y'borrow it, kill him & take it.
The law will stand by you as a coerced necessity.

BTW & FWIW, I mistook the facts of history.
EC seems to've used a Fender Champ during Layla.


Edited by d (06/29/17 06:57 AM)
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#2863461 - 06/28/17 02:18 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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Those Champs are very cute...I like the Twin the best, but no one will carry it around for me LOL! So, I've sized down to a 112 HRDeluxe. Great little amp, so I guess I'll let my brother live for awhile longer LOL! cool
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#2863469 - 06/28/17 02:42 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Larryz]
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I had 2 Twins over the years, smokin for clean and bright. My favorite amp of that era was the Pro Reverb silver face 50 watt with 2 JBL K 120's in it. I got tones out of that thing that would still amaze me to this day. Everything on 10 except the bass control. It was loud. Maybe that is why I have tinnitus. I used that amp every time I played out.
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#2863522 - 06/28/17 08:48 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
I think some of Clapton's Layla stuff was done w/ a Princeton.


Originally Posted By: d
BTW & FWIW, I mistook the facts of history.
EC seems to've use a Fender Champ during Layla.


Some of EC's Layla guitar tracks were played through a tweed Champ, and some of Duane's guitar tracks were played through a tweed Deluxe.
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#2863555 - 06/29/17 04:25 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Yes, you don't need to play at high volume with huge amps in a studio.... it's not a stadium with 20,000 screaming kids, LOL.

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#2863565 - 06/29/17 04:52 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
Yes, you don't need to play at high volume with huge amps in a studio.... it's not a stadium with 20,000 screaming kids, LOL.


And even if it was, the PA and monitors or IEM's would provide a lot of the needed 'horsepower', with mics and direct-sends for your amp and cab; stacks of 100- or 200-watt tube-amps are generally just not necessary.
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#2863663 - 06/29/17 09:24 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Back in my gigging days, we didn't have any IEM's or instruments mice'd or sent to the PA (other than my Keyboard). We had to adjust our instrument volume levels for small bar venues, outdoor gigs and dance halls. We had to make sure those volume levels never overpowered the vocals and had a couple of sound and light men to keep us in line LOL! My Twin put out about 85 watts rms, and it was never up past 4 on the volume level for the most part. I can get by with 30 to 40 watts now days if I was playing similar gigs.

One thing I learned is to not stand in front of the bass drum or the bass amp. I had to stand to the side as the low frequencies bothered my ear drums and I could feel the vibrations. At my home gig parties I now mic and/or send everything to the PA. I have never used IEM's yet, but I'm sure you have to watch those volume levels much the same as when using headphones. I do have to have good monitors so I can hear myself and the rest of the guys! I wish we had better equipment back in the day, but protecting your ears is paramount as far as stage volumes go IMHO. cool


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#2863778 - 06/30/17 04:51 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Larryz]
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The closest I ever came to killing a fellow musician was onstage with this bass player whose amp speaker was right in my ear! I asked him to turn down "just a little, please" and he smirked, did so, and then turned the $*#)(@* up as soon as my back was turned!!
Luckily, I didn't kill him, and he has since mellowed out a lot, LOL.
I still think that in a lot of situations, the bass is WAY too loud. Just yesterday walking past a store where they were playing Latin music, the bass could have been turned down 50% and still be heard perfectly fine - no one's saying the bass should be buried in the mix, especially in dance music. It should be clearly heard in the room. But why does it need to heard in the NEXT COUNTY???
And yes, in jazz ensembles, it's a good thing for the upright bass to be miked or amplified enough to be audible.

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#2863781 - 06/30/17 05:06 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Eric Iverson]
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I've usually heard the "way too loud" issue with drummers who feel they NEED to hit their cymbals hard enough to both put DENTS in them AND burst everyone's eardrums. I've even seen some drummers raise their arms as high as they could and stand UP a little before crashing down on their cymbals!

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#2863799 - 06/30/17 08:22 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Caevan O'Shite]
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Originally Posted By: Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
Yes, you don't need to play at high volume with huge amps in a studio.... it's not a stadium with 20,000 screaming kids, LOL.


And even if it was, the PA and monitors or IEM's would provide a lot of the needed 'horsepower', with mics and direct-sends for your amp and cab; stacks of 100- or 200-watt tube-amps are generally just not necessary.


Engineer Tom Dowd has said that the big challenge in recording the Disraeli Gears album was that Jack Bruce & Eric Clapton were playing 100 watt Marshall twin stacks in the studio. Dimed.
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#2863803 - 06/30/17 08:33 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Scott Fraser]
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I'm not technically astute enough to understand a lot of this. But I DO remember in the liner notes of "Second Winter" Johhny Winter said it was "recorded as loud as technically possible".
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#2863807 - 06/30/17 09:08 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
I'm not technically astute enough to understand a lot of this. But I DO remember in the liner notes of "Second Winter" Johhny Winter said it was "recorded as loud as technically possible".
Whitefang


And wasn't there a Stones album in the 70's bearing the quote: "Made loud to be played loud."
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#2863823 - 06/30/17 11:11 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Scott Fraser]
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That slogan was on many albs.

Yeah, lotsa bands recorded at high levels (can y'say Jimi Hendrix ?) or with gear set to stun.
Bill Harkleroad, aka Zoot Horn Rollo, of Capt Beefheart's main bands, says Zappa (w/ asst eng Dick Kunk) started their sessions for TROUTMASK REPLICA by walking along the amp line & rolling every knob to max.
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#2863853 - 06/30/17 03:33 PM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Originally Posted By: Eric Iverson
And yes, in jazz ensembles, it's a good thing for the upright bass to be miked or amplified enough to be audible.


+1 I have heard some very talented upright jazz bass players that you have to be up front in order to hear them...I love it when the bass player can be easily heard in the mix, while not blowing our doors off! The only loud bass that makes sense (and I'm not talking overdoing it) are the reggae players as they make the genre happen IMHO... cool
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#2863893 - 07/01/17 04:40 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d
That slogan was on many albs.

Yeah, lotsa bands recorded at high levels (can y'say Jimi Hendrix) or with gear set to stun.
Bill Harkleroad, aka Zoot Horn Rollo, of Capt Beefheart's main bands, says Zappa (w/ asst eng Dick Kunk) started their sessions for TROUTMASK REPLICA by walking along the amp line & rolling every knob to max.


And wasn't it rumored that BLUE CHEER was SO loud they had to be recorded OUTDOORS? crazy
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#2863923 - 07/01/17 06:57 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: whitefang]
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Sometimes I practice unplugged, but most of the time I use headphones. I like to experiment with the different pickup combinations and I can't do that unplugged.
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#2863926 - 07/01/17 07:23 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: JuJu Kwan]
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Good point
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#2863954 - 07/01/17 10:19 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: whitefang]
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Originally Posted By: whitefang
And wasn't it rumored that BLUE CHEER was SO loud they had to be recorded OUTDOORS? crazy
Whitefang


Another great apocryphal Blue Cheer story tells of a dog walking across in front of the stage when Blue Cheer hit the downbeat, keeling over dead from the SPL.
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#2865059 - 07/07/17 09:27 AM Re: Practicing Too Loudly [Re: Scott Fraser]
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Were Blue Cheer sued for canine homicide [canicide??] by the ASPCA?
I've also heard of pigeons being killed when they flew too close to the speakers of assorted rock bands......
Too many )(#*$)* pigeons anyway, IMHO.......

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