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#2861701 - 06/20/17 06:23 AM Roland & SE boutique series analog
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The answer to U.B. Model-D.

If there weren΄t the line lump and 1/8" audio connectors, I΄d love it already.
Rumour is it will be $500,-.
Roland/SE vs Behringer clone

Product website w/ introduction-vid and audio demos.
Roland SE-02

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#2861721 - 06/20/17 07:16 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Al Coda]
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I thing I would jump on this way before the Behringer one, which I may have gone for otherwise.
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#2861722 - 06/20/17 07:21 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Beethree]
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Me, too. I love the Studio Electronics guys. cool

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#2861725 - 06/20/17 07:25 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Dave Bryce]
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This looks nice. Demos sound good.
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#2861726 - 06/20/17 07:30 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Al Coda]
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Fantastic!!! I can live w/1/8"

Mini clone + 16 step seq , programmable, tempo synced LFO
+ CV control.

I want One!!
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#2861729 - 06/20/17 07:35 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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I wonder which filter they used. If it is a Roland filter of a Studio Electronics filter. Studio Electronics is the bomb.
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#2861735 - 06/20/17 07:47 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: CEB]
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#2861736 - 06/20/17 07:53 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I believe the filter is SE. It is definitely a ladder filter.
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#2861764 - 06/20/17 08:50 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Beethree]
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Wonderful! Another Minimoog clone....! facepalm

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#2861769 - 06/20/17 09:02 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Marzzz]
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I'm kinda disappointed, I was hoping for a new poly synth frown

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#2861771 - 06/20/17 09:12 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: whannah]
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Well, that was unexpected, specially coming from Roland, and I like that there also using their new line of cables, lets see if they keep it up in all of their new videos


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#2861775 - 06/20/17 09:15 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Marzzz]
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#2861780 - 06/20/17 09:23 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: MorayM]
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Maybe it can do more good stuff, but to me most of the sounds demo-d are to rear-endy for my taste, so maybe just like the previous digital imitations of analog: I have the feeling there's more distance to the analog and the imitation, all the more when you process the signal. Oh and everyone knows I'm in every sense not a a rear guy, at all.

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#2861784 - 06/20/17 09:38 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Theo Verelst]
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It does, if you are in the Roland Boutique world it does USB out to the MX-1 mixer - midi/sync/audio over one cable.
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#2861786 - 06/20/17 09:41 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Marzzz]
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Wonderful! Another Minimoog clone....! facepalm

Ah, but this might be the one I want!

I have a Creamware Minimax which sounds great, but it's a bit big and heavy, awkward to place in the rig. The Behringer lacks presets which makes it a lot less versatile in a live rig. Same with the real MiniMoog reissue (plus it's heavy, and for me, unnecessarily another board in the rig, and pricey).

I've had mixed feelings about the Roland Boutiques. The JP-08 is very cool, but the sliders are awkward, between the small travel and the force needed to move them. The JX-03 knobs work better, but the sound is thin. So this new one could work...
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#2861787 - 06/20/17 09:52 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Well, I am kinda hoping that Roland and SE consider some kind of Omega/Code poly in the near future. But if I were looking forward a Mini clone, this would be a first choice.

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#2861788 - 06/20/17 09:52 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's tiny. That's a bonus for folks that might like to Velcro this to their SK-1 (or lots of other stuff).
I wish it were poly though! I don't get to play enough leads and basses in band context - too many brass, reed, and bass players hanging around! Then I need a DM-12 next to it, then why carry both? wink
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#2861801 - 06/20/17 10:27 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Then I need a DM-12 next to it, then why carry both? wink

Because they don't sound the same. ;-)

It's kind of funny to think, in that combo, you'd have a Behringer synth that sounds like an old Roland, and a Roland synth that sounds like an old Moog.
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#2861802 - 06/20/17 10:30 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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It's kind of funny to think, in that combo, you'd have a Behringer synth that sounds like an old Roland, and a Roland synth that sounds like an old Moog.

Truth.

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#2861805 - 06/20/17 10:36 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Dave Bryce]
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That is funny.

But, Scott. The "they don't sound the same" argument doesn't fly with the CEO (aka Mrs. Fudd). smile
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#2861817 - 06/20/17 11:16 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I got the email today and saw it before this forum post. It didn't occur to me that Roland would try to emulate Moog, so that wasn't even on my mind when I looked at it. Instead, I noticed the absence of Roland's usual preference for sliders vs. knobs, and some uncanny resemblance to the Korg MS2000 or maybe even RADIAS.

Now I'm disappointed, as it looks built like a tank but I have no need for a Moog clone since I have the deal deal. But as the Voyager has now been canceled, and I think the "D" reissue is limited edition, there are bound to be plenty of people who need this synth.
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#2861819 - 06/20/17 11:25 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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But as the Voyager has now been canceled, and I think the "D" reissue is limited edition, there are bound to be plenty of people who need this synth.

Also, there is differentiation in when you look at things like size/weight, programmability, price, aesthetics/ergonomics... i.e. even if all are available, they don't all appeal equally to the same customers.
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#2861822 - 06/20/17 11:31 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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the real MiniMoog reissue (plus it's heavy, and for me, unnecessarily another board in the rig, and pricey).


I have similar concerns. The reissue looks great but space for keyboards is limited for me.

Looking forward to hearing more examples of the sequencer in action.

Curious to see if this partnership will lead to an SE redesign of classic Roland polysynths in future products
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#2861827 - 06/20/17 12:08 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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I'm holding out for Yamaha's version.
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#2861830 - 06/20/17 12:28 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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I'm holding out for Yamaha's version.
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It'll have sliders. poke idk

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#2861832 - 06/20/17 12:31 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
I'm holding out for Yamaha's version.
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All they have to do is partner w/ some Moog clone builder. Roland got SE, which is just one.

Macbeth perhaps?


Edited by GovernorSilver (06/20/17 12:32 PM)
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#2861833 - 06/20/17 12:34 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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I really appreciate that Roland didn't jam pitch and mod ribbons on this one. Going for knobs the full width may make actually make it useable.

This is obviously more practical than a straight Minimoog clone if Roland got the sound right, and maybe fixed a few things. Wasn't there an issue with SE-1 envelopes being sluggish?

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#2861839 - 06/20/17 12:48 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Bill H.]
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I might be judging roland prematurely here but i think they missed an opportunity to feature their claim chained mode to do some memorymoog type sounds, perhaps it's not ready yet, but 6 of those things chained together would have made some wow factor in the video

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#2861841 - 06/20/17 12:58 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: _Maximus_]
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I might be judging roland prematurely here but i think they missed an opportunity to feature their claim chained mode to do some memorymoog type sounds, perhaps it's not ready yet, but 6 of those things chained together would have made some wow factor in the video

I wonder how many people would be interested, at $3k. Though even that is a bargain compared to what a Memorymoog originally went for, even before adjusting for inflation. And this would be a lot lighter, and presumably a lot more stable... Hmmm, now I'm feeling tempted. ;-)
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#2861842 - 06/20/17 01:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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I might be judging roland prematurely here but i think they missed an opportunity to feature their claim chained mode to do some memorymoog type sounds, perhaps it's not ready yet, but 6 of those things chained together would have made some wow factor in the video

I wonder how many people would be interested, at $3k. Though even that is a bargain compared to what a Memorymoog originally went for, even before adjusting for inflation. And this would be a lot lighter, and presumably a lot more stable... Hmmm, now I'm feeling tempted. ;-)


If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

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#2861843 - 06/20/17 01:06 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Dave Bryce]
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I'm holding out for Yamaha's version.
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It'll have sliders. poke idk

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#2861849 - 06/20/17 01:27 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)
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#2861853 - 06/20/17 01:40 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)


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#2861856 - 06/20/17 02:00 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: _Maximus_]
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I might be judging roland prematurely here but i think they missed an opportunity to feature their claim chained mode to do some memorymoog type sounds, perhaps it's not ready yet, but 6 of those things chained together would have made some wow factor in the video


One of the articles I read stated "can be daisy chained to other units for polyphonic possibilities."

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#2861879 - 06/20/17 03:49 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: eric]
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#2861898 - 06/20/17 06:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)


And fewer tuning headaches.
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#2861899 - 06/20/17 06:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RABid]
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Wonder if they will have one to show at Gearfest?
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#2861995 - 06/21/17 07:34 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RABid]
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Wonder if they will have one to show at Gearfest?


The Roland representative says that yes, they will have both an SE-02 and an FA-07 on display at GearFest at Sweetwater.

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#2861997 - 06/21/17 07:44 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: felix]
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#2862066 - 06/21/17 01:20 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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Speaking of Yamaha, wouldn't it be funny if the next Designer in Roland's Boutique Designer Series turned out to be the Deckard's Dream guy.

Roland Boutique DD-80, coming soon to a store near you.
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#2862084 - 06/21/17 03:12 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?

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#2862088 - 06/21/17 03:30 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: The Real MC]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?

I actually find it refreshing that a big company doesn't succumb to NIH (not invented here) syndrome.
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#2862147 - 06/21/17 10:07 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: The Real MC]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?


No.
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#2862198 - 06/22/17 07:53 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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#2862217 - 06/22/17 08:46 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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I actually find it refreshing that a big company doesn't succumb to NIH (not invented here) syndrome.


Props to them for being smart in their choice of a partner (SE) whose expertise in Moog-like synths is legendary.

Can we hope for a small format VCO polysynth based on the Omega 8? wink

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#2862242 - 06/22/17 10:24 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: JerryA]
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Can we hope for a small format VCO polysynth based on the Omega 8? wink

I would hope for something better: A 6-voice synth with the same voice channel, 3 oscs per voice. If this will cost $500, how much a poly could add? $2,000? Sounds right to me.

Btw it sounds definitely "SE" to my ears, which is close to Moog but not quite the same. Perhaps, more toward ATC territory than SE-1.

My SE-1 seems to refuse to hold calibration lately... this SE-02 is tempting, but I think I would miss the *four* envelopes (all complete ADSRs with selectable curves), the two-pole filter, the three LFOs, the ring mod, the stackable waveforms, the two-way osc sync, the 200 user memories with names, etc. smile On the other hand, this has built-in delay and a few cross-mod things.... but judging from the demos, I still prefer the sound of the SE-1. Yes, I'm old...

Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



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#2862254 - 06/22/17 12:02 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I dig.
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#2862274 - 06/22/17 02:19 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Nice to have an offering at this price point. Younger, poorer me would have been tempted, but older, wiser me would tell that person: save up for the Novation Peak.

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#2862277 - 06/22/17 02:50 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.
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#2862279 - 06/22/17 02:51 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: johnchop]
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[quote=johnchop]Nice to have an offering at this price point. Younger, poorer me would have been tempted, but older, wiser me would tell that person: save up for the Novation Peak.

Very true!
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#2862400 - 06/23/17 09:31 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.

Well, they are two separate things. Ok, the Behringer is an explicit clone and the Roland just "inspired by"; rolleyes Regardless, tiny knobs are tiny knobs.

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#2862403 - 06/23/17 09:52 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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The video below shows its parameters being controlled in real time from knobs on the attached controller, so it looks like the functions will be MIDI CC controllable, meaning you're not limited to the small on-board knobs, you could take the function you use most frequently in real-time performance and map them to more suitable knobs, using the rest mostly for "offline" patch creation.
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#2862410 - 06/23/17 10:38 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
Originally Posted By: marino

Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.

Well, they are two separate things. Ok, the Behringer is an explicit clone and the Roland just "inspired by"; rolleyes Regardless, tiny knobs are tiny knobs.


I wasn't criticizing your opinion - I just happened to look up the Behringer clone out of curiosity and couldn't help but notice how much bigger the knobs are:



I anticipate "Buy Behringer or Roland SE-02?" threads in the near future, on all synth forums. I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone. Others going for the SE-02 because of the SE reputation. Yet others going for it because it has a sequencer. And so on.

I guess SE was told by Roland to make the SE-02 the same size as the other Roland Boutique synths - that could have forced them to go with smaller knobs. I guess they could have gone with bigger knobs, but at a cost of less knobs overall on the panel and possibly more menu-diving for the user.


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#2865160 - 07/07/17 12:40 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Some of the SE02 YT demos sound pretty convincing. And it can easily be hidden from your wife if you can't resist GAS...

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#2865163 - 07/07/17 12:45 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

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#2865170 - 07/07/17 12:55 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Sven Golly]
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I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

snax


Agreed. I had the Behringer on pre-order with SW when they announced the new $299 price point but canceled when I watched videos of people navigating the instrument. My take is the size of the knobs/switches is going to be similar. The Behringer has the advantage of more space between, but the SE-02 is feature rich. The Roland Boutique stuff is just too small for me. And, as I own the new Minimoog Model D I have no need for either one.

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#2865175 - 07/07/17 01:01 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: burningbusch]
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Why are they making these things this small? As that really for saving costs on materials or is the market demanding this?
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#2865181 - 07/07/17 01:26 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RudyS]
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Why are they making these things this small? As that really for saving costs on materials or is the market demanding this?


They just want to provoke the forum members. HeadPop
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#2865182 - 07/07/17 01:39 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Synthoid]
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Patch memory would be the reason for me to go for the SE. Plus the built in sequencer would be cool for some things I do. Probably worth the price difference. Plus I already have the Roland little keyboard dock for my JP module.
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#2865201 - 07/07/17 02:22 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Sven Golly]
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I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

snax


Well, I didn't know, but thanks for the info.

I have a couple of Korg Volcas. Being used to those knobs, the ones on the SE-02 and the Behringer all look relatively huge to me.
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#2865215 - 07/07/17 03:11 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RudyS]
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Why are they making these things this small? As that really for saving costs on materials or is the market demanding this?


I have an original TR-606 and the overall dimensions are not that different than the new TB-03. But the TB-03 crams more into the same space. But most of the other Boutiques cram many more knobs/switches into the same space. I find most Eurorack stuff is fine. I'm also OK with the Korg xxx-logues. For me the Roland Boutique series takes it to an extreme.

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#2865533 - 07/08/17 09:24 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: burningbusch]
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#2865569 - 07/09/17 06:26 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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Any word when the Roland SE02 will become available?

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#2865576 - 07/09/17 07:09 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: TomKittel]
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August, no particular week was given.
But this is great news.
Another 4U ATA I won't be stacking up.
It was 8U, but Solaris, Zebra2 HZ and Omnisphere can get great lead sounds.
No way they got close to the SE-1X for big ass bottom sound.
So I kept one fir low end.
Now that rack gets a proper burial in my studio.
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#2866275 - 07/12/17 05:39 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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#2866277 - 07/12/17 05:57 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: TomKittel]
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I'm curious about the delay, if it can do long ping pong type delays. I can't find any in depth literature that would give those specs.
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#2866281 - 07/12/17 06:17 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: TomKittel]
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I liked this one...

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#2866292 - 07/12/17 06:48 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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yes, that is a nice demo. not all buzzy blips and bloops like people seem to make on demos.
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#2866296 - 07/12/17 07:18 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Al Coda]
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Yeah that was tasty and a bit mesmerizing. laugh
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#2866312 - 07/12/17 07:57 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Synthoid]
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I had my doubts since my SE-1Xs have multiple waveforms PER Oscillator.
Putting Sine or Tri under Saw is powerful.
But listening to the SE-02 Oscillators I can't hear any difference.

The cascading of 6 of these is possible.
It's done through MIDI which doesn't seem like a great choice.
But getting 4 of these with the agreement I can return 3 if I find any lag is what I'm going to do.

I begged for 3 Oscillators when SE CODE was being developed.
Not that the Omega 8s weren't great sounding but that 3rd multiwave oscillator would have been amazing.

Zen Master says we'll see.....

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#2866471 - 07/12/17 06:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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I'm excited about this one. I used to deal with the Studio Electronics guys in the 90s when I was at Chuck Levins; great guys. I think their demos for this are really compelling, too. Not crazy about the size, but that is the trend now, and who would have thought a Minimoog-like instrument of this quality could be had for $500? Great time to be a synthesist!
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#2867221 - 07/16/17 07:46 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Roger Hooper]
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Lots of interesting info here...

http://www.studioelectronics.com/products/synths/se-02/

(The good stuff really starts below the big picture, with the heading "Caswell Knowledge (Mr. Studio Electronics)")
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#2868933 - 07/24/17 08:15 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Just noticed that:
According to GC, available on 8/10/17
Oh, the wait is unbearable!
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#2869064 - 07/25/17 04:54 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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I just noticed that by an incredible coincidence the SE-02 fit perfectly the free space on the right of my Nord Electro 5 HP panek, above the keyboard.

That is a dangerous provocation.

Maurizio


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#2869101 - 07/25/17 09:11 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: mauriziodececco]
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It'll fit nicely on top of my Nord A1 too. I just tested it with my Jupiter 8 module... really tempted to get this. I can get some immediate use out of it for my Floyd band.
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#2869138 - 07/25/17 12:36 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: DanL]
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I have my bag already.
I plan on using Ribbon controllers and pedals to control the SE-02.
It will sit it under my rack safe from Jager spills.

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#2869141 - 07/25/17 12:42 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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The boutique bag took a while to get here.
Amazon wouldn't tell me where it came from, but I've seen this before and they're 20 bucks, and high quality zippers and material.

My luck SE-02 probably has a really nice bag it's shipped in.
But I have lots of Orange and Black Steel toed tennis shoes, watchbands.
I be stylin n shit....
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#2871605 - 08/08/17 08:48 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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A pair of SE-02s arrives today.
Hope Chain Mode works.
Actually wish it didn't.
I could save a couple large..
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#2871612 - 08/08/17 10:08 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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My luck SE-02 probably has a really nice bag it's shipped in.


Sorry no gig bag. I think your gonna love these things for the
"solid bass" though.
I keep thinking to myself, "I should have bought two of them" laugh . Maybe I will
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#2871879 - 08/09/17 01:57 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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[url=https://postimg.org/image/k7qpra8m1/][img]https://s28.postimg.org/k7qpra8m1/IMG

Fat ass synth.
They're really SE-1s with better MIDI control.
Solaris high res Ribbon on the Filter is awesome.
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#2871895 - 08/09/17 03:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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Did you notice the additional CC #
cc 81 Dynamics
cc 84 After touch Sens 1
cc 85 After touch sens 2

85 seems to adjust AFT filter amount but can't figure out what
81 and 84 do. Are these on SE-1s?
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#2871917 - 08/09/17 06:31 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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I think they might be different curves for AFT maybe.
Hard or Soft?

SE-1s don't have-near the CCs SE-02s does.

I'm too busy trying to write out presets to use Friday.
Got a great Edgar Winter Frankenstein solo preset.
I like adding sync to Filter cut off for a more pronounced wash-was effect,
Got Tom Sawyer Drone, Straubs Drone.
Zawinuls leads, Fromthe beginning ELP Sync, etc.etc.

I'll be back Tuesday to talk shop.
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#2871937 - 08/09/17 08:59 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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I think they might be different curves for AFT maybe.
Hard or Soft?

SE-1s don't have-near the CCs SE-02s does.

I'm too busy trying to write out presets to use Friday.
Got a great Edgar Winter Frankenstein solo preset.
I like adding sync to Filter cut off for a more pronounced wash-was effect,
Got Tom Sawyer Drone, Straubs Drone.
Zawinuls leads, Fromthe beginning ELP Sync, etc.etc.

I'll be back Tuesday to talk shop.
SE-02 sits under my iLok/USB/LCD Stand...

https://ibb.co/bEQCCF



Thanks for checking!
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#2872001 - 08/10/17 06:27 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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Hey you have to attach a controller to Delay time, maybe AFT with custom settings.
Slight modulations really give this synth a fat pitch mod.
Like an old Lexicon Prime Time.
Use that on long glides and you have a HUGE Wide Fat sound.
Separate glide amounts for each Oscillator sound fantastic.
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#2872227 - 08/10/17 11:56 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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Hey you have to attach a controller to Delay time, maybe AFT with custom settings.
Slight modulations really give this synth a fat pitch mod.
Like an old Lexicon Prime Time.
Use that on long glides and you have a HUGE Wide Fat sound.
Separate glide amounts for each Oscillator sound fantastic.
I love this fat Bastard...



Oh Yah, completely agree. The FX delay is really useful and
analog sounding. I have been mapping cc's from my XL7 which has a small pitch strip along with a nice real time sequencer which records midi cc , along with notes and knobs.
No problems reacting to fast midi cc ins (so far)

Just found a patch with AFT connected to lfo>>filter mod amount.

I notice there is a bend range CC # 87 Might be useful w/ your pitch strip.

Had to drag out the EV 1803 cab to fully appreciate laugh
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#2872245 - 08/11/17 04:06 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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Karl- how long is the delay- can it do times over a second? Can it ping pong?
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#2872372 - 08/11/17 11:49 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: DanL]
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Karl- how long is the delay- can it do times over a second? Can it ping pong?


The delay on the SE-02 is 1 second max at the front panel knobs
full setting. I don't think ping pong is available, because I don't see a "delay type" parameter. Nothing in the midi cc list either. I believe the delay is an analog BBD type.

At this point the manual is a bit sparse. smirk
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#2872407 - 08/11/17 02:44 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Karl Schmeer]
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Just got my SE-02, haven't hooked it up yet, but the knobs are much better than on the original Boutiqes. The knobs that are supposed to click into different positions (like waveform) have a good, positive click, more reminiscent of, well, a MiniMoog. On the JP-08 etc., they were kind of mushy, with relatively small "indents" at the "correct" positions. This feels much more solid, and it will be easier to quickly be precise in your selection.

Less of a difference, but still good to see, are the new continuous pots. On the earlier models, they were more heavily damped, requiring more force to get them moving. The new ones again feel better... still enough force required to not feel loose and sloppy, but not so much as to be annoyingly resistant to very small adjustments.

Good job!
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#2872425 - 08/11/17 03:46 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Just got my SE-02


Lucky you !
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#2872431 - 08/11/17 04:00 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: davedoerfler]
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how does the mini jack audio output feel ? what kind of cable do you use ? in school those cables from ipod to stereo break every 10 min


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#2872432 - 08/11/17 04:11 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: sosho]
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what kind of cable do you use ? in school those cables from ipod to stereo break every 10 min

It helps if you use a cable with a 90 degree end.
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#2872434 - 08/11/17 04:20 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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#2872435 - 08/11/17 04:25 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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A privately written, superior to the official, manual can be found here:

http://sunshine-jones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/A-Users-Guide-To-The-Roland-SE-02.pdf

The only thing bumming me out so far about the module is the 1/8 inch audio out....but I will get used to that. A keeper.
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#2872801 - 08/14/17 06:44 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Just got my SE-02


Lucky you !


You are lucky fellows indeed! In Europe the SE02 will not be available until October.

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#2872847 - 08/14/17 08:51 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: sosho
what kind of cable do you use ? in school those cables from ipod to stereo break every 10 min

It helps if you use a cable with a 90 degree end.


That is good. I also recommend braided cables. best things I have ever found for my iPhone and iPad cables. They just don't break or get kinked up.

I see you can now get the small audio cables that way now, as well. I get mine from Amazon.
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