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#2861843 - 06/20/17 01:06 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Dave Bryce]
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I'm holding out for Yamaha's version.
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It'll have sliders. poke idk

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Can't wait to read the user manual.
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#2861849 - 06/20/17 01:27 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)
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#2861853 - 06/20/17 01:40 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)


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#2861856 - 06/20/17 02:00 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: _Maximus_]
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Originally Posted By: _Maximus_
I might be judging roland prematurely here but i think they missed an opportunity to feature their claim chained mode to do some memorymoog type sounds, perhaps it's not ready yet, but 6 of those things chained together would have made some wow factor in the video


One of the articles I read stated "can be daisy chained to other units for polyphonic possibilities."

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#2861879 - 06/20/17 03:49 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: eric]
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#2861898 - 06/20/17 06:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Markyboard
If one of them sounds close to a minimoog, 6 of them chained will not sound anything like a Memorymoog.

Good point, it could sound better. ;-)


And fewer tuning headaches.
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#2861899 - 06/20/17 06:04 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RABid]
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Wonder if they will have one to show at Gearfest?
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#2861995 - 06/21/17 07:34 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RABid]
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Wonder if they will have one to show at Gearfest?


The Roland representative says that yes, they will have both an SE-02 and an FA-07 on display at GearFest at Sweetwater.

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#2861997 - 06/21/17 07:44 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: felix]
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Got mine, also snagged SpaceStation XL to further punish my Band mates.
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Keep your eyes peeled for Spacestation vrs. 3 with Behringer Sub, with covers + shipping in classifieds above in August.
600 for both since they paid themselves off long ago.

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#2862066 - 06/21/17 01:20 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: hardware]
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Speaking of Yamaha, wouldn't it be funny if the next Designer in Roland's Boutique Designer Series turned out to be the Deckard's Dream guy.

Roland Boutique DD-80, coming soon to a store near you.
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#2862084 - 06/21/17 03:12 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?

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#2862088 - 06/21/17 03:30 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: The Real MC]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?

I actually find it refreshing that a big company doesn't succumb to NIH (not invented here) syndrome.
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#2862147 - 06/21/17 10:07 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: The Real MC]
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Why did a company as successful and big as Roland need to partner with SE? Does Roland not have anybody left on their staff who knows how to design a real analog synth?


No.
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#2862198 - 06/22/17 07:53 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Markyboard]
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#2862217 - 06/22/17 08:46 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
I actually find it refreshing that a big company doesn't succumb to NIH (not invented here) syndrome.


Props to them for being smart in their choice of a partner (SE) whose expertise in Moog-like synths is legendary.

Can we hope for a small format VCO polysynth based on the Omega 8? wink

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#2862242 - 06/22/17 10:24 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: JerryA]
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Can we hope for a small format VCO polysynth based on the Omega 8? wink

I would hope for something better: A 6-voice synth with the same voice channel, 3 oscs per voice. If this will cost $500, how much a poly could add? $2,000? Sounds right to me.

Btw it sounds definitely "SE" to my ears, which is close to Moog but not quite the same. Perhaps, more toward ATC territory than SE-1.

My SE-1 seems to refuse to hold calibration lately... this SE-02 is tempting, but I think I would miss the *four* envelopes (all complete ADSRs with selectable curves), the two-pole filter, the three LFOs, the ring mod, the stackable waveforms, the two-way osc sync, the 200 user memories with names, etc. smile On the other hand, this has built-in delay and a few cross-mod things.... but judging from the demos, I still prefer the sound of the SE-1. Yes, I'm old...

Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Edited by marino (06/22/17 10:27 AM)

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#2862254 - 06/22/17 12:02 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I dig.
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#2862274 - 06/22/17 02:19 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Nice to have an offering at this price point. Younger, poorer me would have been tempted, but older, wiser me would tell that person: save up for the Novation Peak.

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#2862277 - 06/22/17 02:50 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.
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#2862279 - 06/22/17 02:51 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: johnchop]
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[quote=johnchop]Nice to have an offering at this price point. Younger, poorer me would have been tempted, but older, wiser me would tell that person: save up for the Novation Peak.

Very true!
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#2862400 - 06/23/17 09:31 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.

Well, they are two separate things. Ok, the Behringer is an explicit clone and the Roland just "inspired by"; rolleyes Regardless, tiny knobs are tiny knobs.

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#2862403 - 06/23/17 09:52 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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The video below shows its parameters being controlled in real time from knobs on the attached controller, so it looks like the functions will be MIDI CC controllable, meaning you're not limited to the small on-board knobs, you could take the function you use most frequently in real-time performance and map them to more suitable knobs, using the rest mostly for "offline" patch creation.
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#2862410 - 06/23/17 10:38 AM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: marino]
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Edit - almost forgot: The Tiny Knobs Factor. Definitely too tiny. I'm afraid I would throw the SE-02 out of the window after a few tweaking sessions... grin



Behringer's clone appears to have bigger knobs, but then again it's an explicit clone of the Model D, whereas Roland/SE have created something that is kind of Model D-like but not really.

Well, they are two separate things. Ok, the Behringer is an explicit clone and the Roland just "inspired by"; rolleyes Regardless, tiny knobs are tiny knobs.


I wasn't criticizing your opinion - I just happened to look up the Behringer clone out of curiosity and couldn't help but notice how much bigger the knobs are:



I anticipate "Buy Behringer or Roland SE-02?" threads in the near future, on all synth forums. I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone. Others going for the SE-02 because of the SE reputation. Yet others going for it because it has a sequencer. And so on.

I guess SE was told by Roland to make the SE-02 the same size as the other Roland Boutique synths - that could have forced them to go with smaller knobs. I guess they could have gone with bigger knobs, but at a cost of less knobs overall on the panel and possibly more menu-diving for the user.


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#2865160 - 07/07/17 12:40 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Some of the SE02 YT demos sound pretty convincing. And it can easily be hidden from your wife if you can't resist GAS...

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#2865163 - 07/07/17 12:45 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: GovernorSilver]
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Originally Posted By: GovernorSilver
I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

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#2865170 - 07/07/17 12:55 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Sven Golly]
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I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

snax


Agreed. I had the Behringer on pre-order with SW when they announced the new $299 price point but canceled when I watched videos of people navigating the instrument. My take is the size of the knobs/switches is going to be similar. The Behringer has the advantage of more space between, but the SE-02 is feature rich. The Roland Boutique stuff is just too small for me. And, as I own the new Minimoog Model D I have no need for either one.

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#2865175 - 07/07/17 01:01 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: burningbusch]
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Why are they making these things this small? As that really for saving costs on materials or is the market demanding this?
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#2865181 - 07/07/17 01:26 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: RudyS]
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Why are they making these things this small? As that really for saving costs on materials or is the market demanding this?


They just want to provoke the forum members. HeadPop
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#2865182 - 07/07/17 01:39 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Synthoid]
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Patch memory would be the reason for me to go for the SE. Plus the built in sequencer would be cool for some things I do. Probably worth the price difference. Plus I already have the Roland little keyboard dock for my JP module.
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#2865201 - 07/07/17 02:22 PM Re: Roland & SE boutique series analog [Re: Sven Golly]
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I could see some going for the Behringer on the knob size alone.


You all understand that the Behringer is System 500 dimensions, right? The "bigger" knobs aren't much larger than the MIDI DIN jack, so while it's true that they are larger, I anticipate a lot of people being shocked when they see the Behringer in person.

snax


Well, I didn't know, but thanks for the info.

I have a couple of Korg Volcas. Being used to those knobs, the ones on the SE-02 and the Behringer all look relatively huge to me.
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