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#2861539 - 06/19/17 12:21 PM Favorite Mojo organ engine
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Not much discussion around the 20+ organ variations in the Mojo and who's using what. What sounds the best to you and why? I'm using the '61 A-101 because it sounded more mellow to me (like my 57), was more balanced across the keybed than the defaulted organ and had the least thinness (to me) in the upper register.
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#2861552 - 06/19/17 12:52 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Delaware Dave]
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'65 B3 on my Mojo61, but not the stock settings.
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#2861557 - 06/19/17 01:07 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: drawback]
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I initially gravitated to Mitch's 1956 B3 (or is it a C3), then played around with the 1965 B3 and C3 which I also liked. I ended up playing my gig with the stock VB3 organ. I slightly increased the percussion volume and that was about it. Worked beautifully at the gig.

Anyone notice that percussion 2nd harmonic is not as "loud" as 3rd harmonic? Is that the normal behavior of a B3?

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#2861579 - 06/19/17 02:33 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Music*aL]
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I am currently using Mitch Towne's A100 set. I have also used the 1965 B3 and C3 sets. I am partial to more mellow organ sounds. But I also am experimenting with the upper register since I find most models too shrill and bothersome in the top octave. Any other opinions would be welcome to lower the top octave deafening levels.
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#2861592 - 06/19/17 03:56 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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+1 for Mitch's A100 set. I like how the low end sounds on that one.

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#2861902 - 06/20/17 06:22 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: whannah]
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65 B3 and mostly because it's top end is not too loud.
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#2861922 - 06/20/17 08:15 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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My current favourites are A102 1961, A101 1961 and B3 1956. The critical setting for me is Resistor Wires Old (2), which evens out the keyboard balance for LHB/comping on the lower manual.

At gigs I always use my (original) Vent, but now that I've tamed the rotary effect somewhat I'm contemplating going Vent-less, just for the convenience factor. At home I usually just use the Mojo sim.
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#2862019 - 06/21/17 09:36 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: John Tweed]
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I have been experimenting more and more lately, but I seem to always end up back at my 1956 B3 set.

Glad so many of you are getting use out of the sets I created!

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#2862124 - 06/21/17 06:54 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Mitch Towne]
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What is the Mitch Towne set? On my mojo 61 I have a bunch of factory programmed organ "engines". I guess it means the tone patch he likes to use and somehow his name has been attached to it in place of the vintage Organ it is emulating, A100 for example.


Edited by Jazz+ (06/21/17 07:55 PM)
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#2862132 - 06/21/17 07:56 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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I realize I like the 1965 B3, not based on how it sounds, the year, or the model. but based on how it behaves. It is more tapered at the top then the rest. I am not using it for funk or rock. I am using it for 8880000 with CV3 jazz music. I have good speakers and 65 B3 behaves best with that tapered high end


Edited by Jazz+ (06/22/17 10:34 AM)
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#2862148 - 06/21/17 10:11 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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Now that I have new amplification, I have to audition each and every organ again, even tho my Mojo 61 sounds fabulous thru the new speakers. I don't even remember which organ I have it set on at the moment.
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#2862151 - 06/21/17 10:28 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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Originally Posted By: Jazz+
What is the Mitch Towne set? On my mojo 61 I have a bunch of factory programmed organ "engines". I guess it means the tone patch he likes to use and somehow his name has been attached to it in place of the vintage Organ it is emulating, A100 for example.


The Mojo software contains two of the tonewheel sets that I created from my 1956 B3 and my 1962 A100. They are amended with the initials "MT."

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#2862243 - 06/22/17 10:37 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Mitch Towne]
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I did not know that Mitch, thanks. How did crumat get the '65 B3 top end tapered because I am wondering if there is a way to taper it more?
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#2862351 - 06/23/17 06:44 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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I've tried them all and keep coming back to the default tonewheel. After reading this thread, I think I'll try some of the favorites again.
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#2862565 - 06/24/17 11:07 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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I did not know that Mitch, thanks. How did crumat get the '65 B3 top end tapered because I am wondering if there is a way to taper it more?


I think it is probably just a function of the tonewheel readings they got from that particular organ.

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#2913078 - 03/04/18 08:32 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: John Tweed]
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Originally Posted By: John Tweed
My current favourites are A102 1961, A101 1961 and B3 1956. The critical setting for me is Resistor Wires Old (2), which evens out the keyboard balance for LHB/comping on the lower manual.

Currently the 1961 A 102 is getting my attention. Love it through both my Vent II and studio monitors or my Leslie Studio 12. thu
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#2913100 - 03/05/18 12:08 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Music*aL]
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Originally Posted By: Music*aL

Anyone notice that percussion 2nd harmonic is not as "loud" as 3rd harmonic? Is that the normal behavior of a B3?


If you're referring to playing percussion with drawbar settings other than 000000000, that's a psychoacoustic thing. 2nd harmonic is the octave of the fundamental an gets masked more by all the (non-percussion) harmonics happening. 3rd harmonic is an octave+5th up, gets masked less.

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#2913141 - 03/05/18 08:55 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: volki]
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I use the warm, gentle and beautiful sounding 1965 B3 engine. It is very even. My speakers are very accurate, like studio monitors, and let the highs through. If I had other speakers I might use a more agressuve organ. But the 65 B3 is beautiful.
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#2926785 - 05/13/18 10:28 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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Last night I decided to putz around with the organ models in the Gemini. Somehow I managed to put it back to the 1st delivered organ and I don't like the unevenness of the sound. The last octave screams too much. So I started going through the various organ models. I ended up settling on the A101 or 102 1961. It was the most even across the keybed. Also, experimented with the new leslie sim vs. the Vent. I have to say that the new sim is very close to the Vent from a leslie point of view. The one thing it does better is that in the last octave the Vent thins out the tone while the gemini sim isn't as piercing. It sounds more like my 122 in the top octave. The con is the overdrive, the Vent's overdrive is much more natural while the gemini overdrive is a little buzzy and harsh. Putting the overdrive to the side the leslie is pretty much on par.
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#2926789 - 05/13/18 10:50 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
I've tried them all and keep coming back to the default tonewheel. After reading this thread, I think I'll try some of the favorites again.


Me too but only had mine a week or so but if I played more jazz I would probably go for the 61 or 65 B3. I like the A100 if I were doing alot of rock.


Edited by bennyray (05/13/18 10:52 AM)
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#2926808 - 05/13/18 12:17 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: bennyray]
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Now I like the Mitch Town B3
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#2926895 - 05/14/18 04:47 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Giancarlo Robles]
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Originally Posted By: Giancarlo Robles
I am currently using Mitch Towne's A100 set. I have also used the 1965 B3 and C3 sets. I am partial to more mellow organ sounds. But I also am experimenting with the upper register since I find most models too shrill and bothersome in the top octave. Any other opinions would be welcome to lower the top octave deafening levels.


I find the drawbar tapering feature to be most helpful in conjunction with turning down “preamp treble”
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#2926898 - 05/14/18 05:33 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002

I find the drawbar tapering feature to be most helpful in conjunction with turning down “preamp treble”


Yes, that's right, It's not difficult at all to tame those high note ranges using the tools Mojo's engine provides,

So guys, just pick your favorite model and spend half and hour to take it wherever you like the most
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#2926908 - 05/14/18 06:29 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: mobi]
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When you say drawbar tapering are you meaning the drawbar "trimming" feature or is there an actual drawbar tapering feature that I am not seeing?
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#2926912 - 05/14/18 07:05 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Delaware Dave
When you say drawbar tapering are you meaning the drawbar "trimming" feature or is there an actual drawbar tapering feature that I am not seeing?


My apologies, Dave, I meant “trimming”
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#2926916 - 05/14/18 07:15 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Owned the DMC-122 for a couple of years and generally liked the organ fine. Clones have unique personalities just like the original Hammond tonewheels, and the tonewheel sets add different flavors. And they all sound dramatically different at higher volumes, of course.

What struck me most was how much the "sound" changed through different speakers. The VB3-2 (and all of its tonewheel sets) is one organ through a SSv3, and an entirely different critter through a 3300.

But what was really sweet was the VB3-2 through high-end headphones. If only someone could create a speaker that would reproduce that at a price we could all afford.



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#2926925 - 05/14/18 07:53 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: jimkost2002]
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Originally Posted By: jimkost2002


I find the drawbar tapering feature to be most helpful in conjunction with turning down “preamp treble”


So . . . which drawbars do you trim? And how much do you trim them?

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#2926928 - 05/14/18 07:57 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: jamienewman]
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Originally Posted By: jamienewman
Originally Posted By: jimkost2002


I find the drawbar tapering feature to be most helpful in conjunction with turning down “preamp treble”


So . . . which drawbars do you trim? And how much do you trim them?


There's no magic formula. Depends a great deal on your amplication/speaker setup.
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#2926936 - 05/14/18 08:49 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: jamienewman]
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So . . . which drawbars do you trim? And how much do you trim them?

I generally find that the 5 1/3 drawbar gets thin in the upper octave so I have trimmed that one back a tad, helps the most upper octave....
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#2926955 - 05/14/18 10:21 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Jazz+]
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Now I like the Mitch Town B3


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#2927357 - 05/16/18 11:48 AM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Mitch Towne]
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Lately I've been using B3 1956 *MT. Thanks Mitch!

Even after the release of the internal sim update I'm still using the Vent. I hear some sort of artifact when the internal sim is on fast. It doesn't sound pure like my Leslie 145 or the Vent 2.

I can't find the trim function. Perhaps that's because I have a PC-based dual-manual Mojo?
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#2927365 - 05/16/18 12:47 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Al Quinn]
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Hi Al, I believe right after the Generator selections you'll find the drawbar adjustments; just dial down what suits you. My fav Gens are the default, 65 b3, and Mitch's as well. I go back and forth. And like you, I stay with the Vent, it just really brings out all the Mojo goodness; really like using a cabinet and brings the organ out front if you know what I mean. Best, Joe G.
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#2927369 - 05/16/18 01:17 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Mitch Towne]
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I do find that the new sim on the Gemini does have a slightly funny pitch as the leslie is winding up from slow to fast. Once it gets to top speed the pitch seems to normalize. I wish the overdrive were addressed; the Vent wins hands down. If the Gemini's overdrive were close to the Vent then I would have no need for the Vent but the overdrive differences are still significantly different.
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#2927371 - 05/16/18 01:48 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Joe, are you talking about the Matching Transformers settings? Is that what's meant by trimming?
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#2927377 - 05/16/18 02:35 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Lately I've been using B3 1956 *MT. Thanks Mitch!

I use this engine most often, but also really like the MT A-100. Using the MojoEditor it's very easy to switch between them.
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn

Even after the release of the internal sim update I'm still using the Vent.

Originally Posted By: jpgxk3
like you,(Al), I stay with the Vent, it just really brings out all the Mojo goodness; really like using a cabinet and brings the organ out front if you know what I mean.

I was very high on the sim update when it first was released, still think it is very, very, good. I'm using a Vent II as well, however, because, well, everything sound better through a Vent. wink
I need all the help I can get as I'm no where near as talented as these 2 cats from Long Island. smile
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#2927379 - 05/16/18 02:45 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Al Quinn]
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Yes Al, trimming the trannies changes presence of the particular drawbar as I recall or at least that’s my take on descriptions in manual. Anyone else??
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#2927383 - 05/16/18 03:31 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: jpgxk3]
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In the Mojo Editor, the 2nd column is entitled Drawbar Trimming. Move the sliders, see what they do.

I've used a few different tonewheel sets and lately settled in with the default VB3, but with a boost setting and some other tweaks to make it my favourite building block.
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#2927385 - 05/16/18 03:45 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: drawback]
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Since I don’t have the Mojo Editor I’m using an external monitor and trackball to tweak parameters. I don’t see Drawbar Trimming but the Matching Transformers seem to do the same thing. I made some adjustments to tame the top octave.

Dave, thanks for the kind words smile
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#2927393 - 05/16/18 04:39 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: Al Quinn]
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Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Since I don’t have the Mojo Editor I’m using an external monitor and trackball to tweak parameters. I don’t see Drawbar Trimming but the Matching Transformers seem to do the same thing. I made some adjustments to tame the top octave.


Al... I wasn't aware the Editor was exclusively for the 61. But whatever gets you through the night, is all right, etc.

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#2927397 - 05/16/18 05:23 PM Re: Favorite Mojo organ engine [Re: drawback]
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Originally Posted By: drawback
Originally Posted By: Al Quinn
Since I don’t have the Mojo Editor I’m using an external monitor and trackball to tweak parameters. I don’t see Drawbar Trimming but the Matching Transformers seem to do the same thing. I made some adjustments to tame the top octave.


Al... I wasn't aware the Editor was exclusively for the 61. But whatever gets you through the night, is all right, etc.

Cheers.


Rod, there is a hardware editor for the Mojo dual manual keyboard called MojoEditor, obviously different from using the editor app for the Mojo 61.
Al, you would still need to do what you are doing the way you are doing it even if you had the MojoEditor, those paramaters are not available otherwise.
The MojoEditor is good for switching engines once you have them dialed in, adjusting volume for the EP's, and resetting to default settings. That's about it, but it does those things well.
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